Larry Brown... flushing this team down the sh*tter

[Proudiddy]

Our front office lacks balls and intelligence. I can't believe they obliged LB for this horrible trade, and now they are going to get rid of the only other star-caliber player we have in GDub... WTF is Brown thinking? Raja Bell is in his last contributing year as a player but making starter money. Diaw is a p*ssy and a tweener. Neither of these players address a need we have. We subtracted. Only thing we added was salary. All we had to do was build around either JRich or Gdub as the centerpiece... We are now about to be without both of them and start from scratch all over again.

The reason LB won that championship in Detroit was because they only added a few pieces and Dumars had enough balls to not give into LBs irrational demands. He's too old school and now he's showing it. He did this same thing in New York and after awhile the players, as well as management just tuned him out and wrote him off. He's well on his way to doing the same thing here now.

We just got worse, not better. If we trade Gerald, even for Kaman, we will still be worse off. We then will be without a true go-to-scorer and anyone with any type of true toughness. Okafor might block shots but he's a p*ssy too. He's 6'10" and gets his shot blocked like he was 4'10". For Jrich, we should;ve gotten Amare in return, seriously, that's comparable stats for their respective positions... We just took crap they were trying to get rid of... They finally found a team dumb enough to do it. Larry is pissing me off and Bob Johnson could give a crap less what they are doing with this team as he has already given up on the franchise and is just waiting for the right time to sell.

I will always pull for my home teams, and they will always be my teams... But, I truly feel this team is not interested in winning or building a winning franchise. This move shows that. This move shows a lack of direction because it's not building on the good we already have and we still have the same crap we were stuck with before (MAY, MOHAMMED). Where do we go after this? It makes no sense. /rant

[Alex]

Our front office lacks balls and intelligence. I can't believe they obliged LB for this horrible trade, and now they are going to get rid of the only other star-caliber player we have in GDub... WTF is Brown thinking? Raja Bell is in his last contributing year as a player but making starter money. Diaw is a p*ssy and a tweener. Neither of these players address a need we have. We subtracted. Only thing we added was salary. All we had to do was build around either JRich or Gdub as the centerpiece... We are now about to be without both of them and start from scratch all over again.

The reason LB won that championship in Detroit was because they only added a few pieces and Dumars had enough balls to not give into LBs irrational demands. He's too old school and now he's showing it. He did this same thing in New York and after awhile the players, as well as management just tuned him out and wrote him off. He's well on his way to doing the same thing here now.

We just got worse, not better. If we trade Gerald, even for Kaman, we will still be worse off. We then will be without a true go-to-scorer and anyone with any type of true toughness. Okafor might block shots but he's a p*ssy too. He's 6'10" and gets his shot blocked like he was 4'10". For Jrich, we should;ve gotten Amare in return, seriously, that's comparable stats for their respective positions... We just took crap they were trying to get rid of... They finally found a team dumb enough to do it. Larry is pissing me off and Bob Johnson could give a crap less what they are doing with this team as he has already given up on the franchise and is just waiting for the right time to sell.

I will always pull for my home teams, and they will always be my teams... But, I truly feel this team is not interested in winning or building a winning franchise. This move shows that. This move shows a lack of direction because it's not building on the good we already have and we still have the same crap we were stuck with before (MAY, MOHAMMED). Where do we go after this? It makes no sense. /rant

Exactly and you know what? That's what we need to do. What have we done with the core that we had? You really think you can build a playoff (not to mention championship) team around Jason Richardson and Gerald Wallace because I don't believe so at all.

None of us want to say this but this core of players (Okafor, Felton, Wallace, JRich) was just mediocre at best and we were never gonna go anywhere with them. Blowing up the team is what needs to happen. I say we trade Felton and Wallace and start building around DJ because I truly feel like he could be a very special player.

I think this trade is not gonna make us worse than we were already (oh boy, 7-14 before the trade, real playoff material there...). If anything we might get a little better but we're definitely not getting worse.

[Proudiddy]

Exactly and you know what? That's what we need to do. What have we done with the core that we had? You really think you can build a playoff (not to mention championship) team around Jason Richardson and Gerald Wallace because I don't believe so at all.

None of us want to say this but this core of players (Okafor, Felton, Wallace, JRich) was just mediocre at best and we were never gonna go anywhere with them. Blowing up the team is what needs to happen. I say we trade Felton and Wallace and start building around DJ because I truly feel like he could be a very special player.

I think this trade is not gonna make us worse than we were already (oh boy, 7-14 before the trade, real playoff material there...). If anything we might get a little better but we're definitely not getting worse.

Let me clarify. I meant build around the key guy out of the core we have and deal the rest. Meaning, if they felt JRich was the best player keep him. If they felt Wallace was the best player, keep him. I'm not going to even mention Okafor, because that is laughable. Okafor will never be a threat offensively, and he's been exposed defensively over the last few years as well.

So what I was saying is that by the end of the week, we will have traded both guys that should have been the centerpiece of the franchise (not both together, but one of them). Wallace most likely is the most talented guy and best all around player out of everyone from the core of players we had b/c he can score 20 ppg and play defense. Basically, LB has decided to build around Okafor... SMH. I agree, the core should've been blown up b.c it wasn't going anywhere... But starting with the guys that actually are good and played to the best of their capabilities??? That is where I'm lost.

[Alex]

Building around Wallace and JRich is like saying you want to start a flower garden by planting potatoes.

They're fine players and great guys but we were never gonna go anywhere with them. I want to see this team built around DJ. That kid is the real deal.

[bobcats_express]

Our front office lacks balls and intelligence. I can't believe they obliged LB for this horrible trade, and now they are going to get rid of the only other star-caliber player we have in GDub... WTF is Brown thinking? Raja Bell is in his last contributing year as a player but making starter money. Diaw is a p*ssy and a tweener. Neither of these players address a need we have. We subtracted. Only thing we added was salary. All we had to do was build around either JRich or Gdub as the centerpiece... We are now about to be without both of them and start from scratch all over again.

The reason LB won that championship in Detroit was because they only added a few pieces and Dumars had enough balls to not give into LBs irrational demands. He's too old school and now he's showing it. He did this same thing in New York and after awhile the players, as well as management just tuned him out and wrote him off. He's well on his way to doing the same thing here now.

We just got worse, not better. If we trade Gerald, even for Kaman, we will still be worse off. We then will be without a true go-to-scorer and anyone with any type of true toughness. Okafor might block shots but he's a p*ssy too. He's 6'10" and gets his shot blocked like he was 4'10". For Jrich, we should;ve gotten Amare in return, seriously, that's comparable stats for their respective positions... We just took crap they were trying to get rid of... They finally found a team dumb enough to do it. Larry is pissing me off and Bob Johnson could give a crap less what they are doing with this team as he has already given up on the franchise and is just waiting for the right time to sell.

I will always pull for my home teams, and they will always be my teams... But, I truly feel this team is not interested in winning or building a winning franchise. This move shows that. This move shows a lack of direction because it's not building on the good we already have and we still have the same crap we were stuck with before (MAY, MOHAMMED). Where do we go after this? It makes no sense. /rant


EXACTLY RIGHT!
wtf is wrong with this front office? they team was j-rich and wallace and half of that is gone; the other half probably on its way out. Now we have two PGs and crud like mohammed and morrison. MAYBE if we traded felton or at least got something half decent in return should we be happy.

after looking at this trade the future is not good: by the looks of things we may have to go through many more seasons of losing records. :(

PS we love you j-rich

[bing!]

A faulty core yearns for reinvigoration and I really don't see any reason to be upset with this, change happens, bear with it, if Boris doesn't pan out he'll be out of here in a jiffy (sort of). Raja's contract expires in 2010 and I doubt Cats will be willing to re-sign him. Boris complements Emeka in the frontcourt well, and if Gerald were to go, he could simply slide down to 3 with Okafor filling up the PF slot.

For anyone having trouble swallowing this trade down, think of it as a desperate move of a desperate team trying to improve using any means necessary, there's only room for improvement with the Bobcats and if a 'full-roster overhaul' is what it takes to achieve it, then I'm on board with everything the FO throws at us.

[JamieMcNeill]

A faulty core yearns for reinvigoration and I really don't see any reason to be upset with this, change happens, bear with it, if Boris doesn't pan out he'll be out of here in a jiffy (sort of). Raja's contract expires in 2010 and I doubt Cats will be willing to re-sign him. Boris complements Emeka in the frontcourt well, and if Gerald were to go, he could simply slide down to 3 with Okafor filling up the PF slot.

For anyone having trouble swallowing this trade down, think of it as a desperate move of a desperate team trying to improve using any means necessary, there's only room for improvement with the Bobcats and if a 'full-roster overhaul' is what it takes to achieve it, then I'm on board with everything the FO throws at us.

Agreed 100%
As long as DJ and Mek are never even talked about in trades

[spectre]

I'm still struggling, but ILBIT.

Just for once...ONCE I'd like to win a damn trade though. If Bell was in his prime then I could see adding in Duds, but he's not. I think the roster will balance better, but we traded our best scorer when the team as is is 27th in the league in scoring. When Swish was out with his knee we were 30th.

Michael Jordan = big red lollipop.

[ohara831]

I think LB is implementing a plan, and I have trust in his plan. I dont necessarily understand it quite yet, but I am sure there is a logic to it. It will become more clear as another trade is made.

We are bemoaning the loss of a key player and a key reserve. But one thing must be said. This team won how many games last year? And how many so far this season? No matter how much we liked the players and their high character, they were not winning games. And that is the bottom line. Sometimes, when you have individual players who are good, and of good character, they just still dont seem to mesh together on the Court. Our roster this past season and so far this season is a good example. Something had to be done. And LB is someone in whom I have faith to keep the ones he wants, trade those he must, and build this team into a contender.

[Dead_Real]

I couldn't agree more Suns raped us basically because we undervalued JSwish greatly in this deal Suns won big time. Like a friend of mine stated we traded away basically our only true positive addiction as far as a player. People can say whatever about him not helping the record (which I disagree with 100%) he's helped us more than he's hurt us. I can't say that about many others on our squad my previous statement goes for Dudley as well he shouldn't have been shown the door over Ammo or Hammer. These kind of moves are why a lot of fans have 1 foot out the door already.

Bell hasn't been the same player he was in the past this year & Diaw is inconsistent

[Wanderlai]

I agree. "Its change just for the sake of change" and that is never good. Trade away a go-to SG in JRich for 2 backups from the Suns. The Suns get a starting SG that they need by giving us potatoe chips. This is in the same mold as the Lakers/Memphis trade last year.

Why even trade Brandan Wright to GS for JRich if you trade him so quickly? They should have just kept Wright and the 10 mil. Stupid moves. The only trade the Cats have ever won was the one with the Clippers for the 2nd overall draft pick.

Now LB wants a C and move Oak to PF. Wheres Diaw going to play...SF? I say trade everyone for expirings and draft picks. Roll the dice on the lottery and hopes of landing a star in 2010.

[TheBeagle]

Larry has already given us DJ and Lexy, both of whom are playing much better than any pundit or fan expected on draft day. What makes you think he's not overhauling this roster for the better with the early success he's already had here in Charlotte?

As the Milwaukee game showed me with a brutal slap to the face (and what Larry undoubtedly knew during the preseason) we were going nowhere with what we had....no defense, no rebounding. So we lose a guy who can score 20ppg and knock down some meaningless 3s (AKA when the game's not on the line), but you gotta realize, JRich was giving up about those many points because of his pourous defense.

And JD, as much as I loved him here, well, there's only so much hustle can do for you as he was often the slowest player out on the court, the smallest vertical, not to mention no offensive game at all.

This is such an exciting time to be a fan, to see a mad genius at work.......

[Proudiddy]

That's the point... Great posts Wanderlai and Eaten! I understand the whole, it's not working so let's blow it up mentality they're taking. But... As I said, my problem is that we had a proven commodity. We had a 20ppg+ scorer who shot 45% from the outside... Say what you want, but that is as rare as a finding a skilled big man. So, why not try to add a skilled big man along with JRich?

Regardless of their plan, you have to have a foundation and a geriatric Raja Bell and p*ssy Diaw is not that foundation. As some have mentioned, there is probably another move coming, and it better be a BIG ONE - FOR US. It better be a deal where we f*ck the other team, instead of being the team getting f*cked. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I'm concerned because this is the same crap the Hornets did... You get rid of your best players, alienate the fan base, and eventually just get out of town... I want this team to succeed, and they don't appear to be going that route.

[davcbow]

This is such an exciting time to be a fan, to see a mad genius at work.......


I second that...:cool:

[Dunk]

Say what you want, but that is as rare as a finding a skilled big man. So, why not try to add a skilled big man along with JRich?




From where? You either have to sign a free agent, trade, or draft. We didn't successfully win any free agents we went after and based on who was available in our spots, PG was a better pick at 9 in the draft (and DJ has been really good). So we had to trade if we wanted to address the need this year. We don't have that many good pieces.

I'm not in love with the trade myself but when you only have so much to work with to get a big man you do what you have to do.

[millst2]

Well. I agree we may have gotten the shaft a little but two things I see that can be a positive. I do not like Diaw one bit, I think he and mek are from the same gene pool ( Big and soft, weak around the rim ) but I am one of the rare people who thinks if May gets his head in the right place and busts his ass he can be a decent scorer, and I think by bringing in Diaw it will make May work harder for what he wants, whereas in the past there was nobody to threaten May. Regardless if we keep May after the season or not, May now knows for a fact he is half out the door.

As far as Raja, well the plus to him is that he is in fact a great defender, and he was tired of the BS at the suns. He has played under Larry Brown so I think he will come in on day one and be able to contribute since he already has a solid footing of what LB wants him to do.

I know mek fans here or 50/50 but I would be all for them trading Mek for a big man, and having that big man on the floor with Diaw, Bell, DJ, and another.

I think in a way we all knew that we were going to see some trades come down the Pipe. We also all knew that D Jones was the stupidest trade to see take place, as he performs worse than May. But now is the question how many more players will we see gone before the Deadline.

I think we will see Felts, Carroll, Mek or Wallace, Jones and Nazr all gone in a short time frame.

[x2pacalypse]

fuck this i'd rather just start ajinca...i wanna see him play starter minutes one game and see what he does

[ChuckHayes69]

I think we will see Felts, Carroll, Mek or Wallace, Jones and Nazr all gone in a short time frame.

I hope to god you're right, but there's no way in hell you are. Nobody's gonna take Nazr or Carroll off our hands unless we get raped in the talent end or get an even worse contract back. I don't really think anyone would take Mek off our hands either with his new contract, unless they're desperate for a mediocre big-man wrapped up for a long time at big money.
I really don't think people understand what a bad position we have gotten ourselves into, and it is in no way Larry Brown's fault. It started with poor drafting from the beginning of this franchise and was continued with bad trades, picks, and contracts. Have we really made one move ever (draft picks included) that you can look back at and say wow, we did good there? It would have to be lucking into Gerald Wallace. Okafor was the obvious pick and has not panned out to be a good pick, but not that bad. Felton? Ehh. May? Terrible. Morrison? Terrible pick, even if you like him you can't justify him as the third pick, especially not when our best player played the same position. Trading Wright for Richardson had to be the closest thing to a good move, but they surrounded him with such sh*t it didn't matter. DJ and Ajinca are too soon to decide so you can't really comment on that yet, although it's looking pretty decent so far. Face it, Larry Brown is not the problem, this team was already down the sh*tter. The only real hope is try to get rid of everything outside of DJ for the shortest contracts you can find and rebuild....Or the next best option is maybe make a few moves like the one we just did and battle for the 8th seed for the next few years before doing that anyways.

[docend24]

Larry has already given us DJ and Lexy, both of whom are playing much better than any pundit or fan expected on draft day.

:) Not true. I still want more from Ajinça. I was on his bandwagon since the workout.

I was ok with DJ pick. Didn't want Lopez that's for sure. (wanted Westbrook as first realistic option)

[Dlpz87]

I agree with Bing! and The Beagle, who is to say Larry Brown isn't following a well-thought out archetype for this team? I'd rather he shape it to what he KNOWS works, and to remove what won't. I love J-Rich's scoring, but again, it's kinda superfluous if he couldn't guard me in an NBA game.

I definitely understand the gut-check reaction, believe me (I cringed when I heard), but after thinking about it I think we should restrain our overall criticism until it's January or so. I do however, think any gripes about added contracts is extremely warranted, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that this (trade) would handicap us much in the bidding come 2010.

[Ghost Kat]

I'm starting to not be as upset about this trade as I was. Raja is still a good defender and a smart player. Diaw i don't think is none for his defense of rebounding but his abilty to score will help since Omeka isn't always the big man he's suppose to be. I think with Wallace back at SF that opens up alot more options. I'll miss J-Rich but I have to say i could see how this might work.

[coordinator0]

I am also liking this trade more, although I believe Diaw is a 3, not a 4. Supposedly, GW is on his way out (sadly) so we'll see what happens...