Merged: who will/should be traded next?

[bobcats_express]

with j-rich gone (damn you front office!) who is next on our hit list? i hear a lot about felton which could be good considering DJ has a great future, however what happened to all the rumours about gerald wallace? is he now staying?

who do u think we will and should be trading?

i say felton (even though i think hes great) and keep g-wall- maybe offload some of our junk if possible also

[Jeff41]

Wallace must stay, I like Felton but he's probably the most tradeable piece that I'd want to part with. We have to get a scorer in return though or no deal.

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can't we just have on thread discussing the possible trades? seems that every thread is the same discussion

[bellringer21]

A trade of Felton and a bad contract for an expiring contract and picks would be nice.....use the asset of Felton to clear cap space since we will end up losing him at the end of the year for nothing.

Anyone else on board to try and get something for Felton?

[spectre]

Who's the PG backup? No way are we trusting 20 +/- minutes to a 40 something pick rookie, and don't even say Shannon Brown...

Unless we get a vet back...and LB's supposed perfect rotation has 1 vet and 2 young guys.

Slam will hate this, but:

Crash/Felton/Nazr

for

Dalembert/Miller

Hell I hate it, but this looks like something Jordan would probably do.

[jstar5]

So, if we're shopping Wallace for a C, do we have the assets to get Blake and Outlaw from Portland? I know Felts for Outlaw straight up works, but Spectre's right we would still need a vet pg. I think Outlaw and Diaw would be a nice, versatile tandem of sf and pf w/ both having the ability to play either position. If we get a decent C for Crash then that's a nice 4 player rotation among the frontcourt positions.

[ammofan]

Crash will probably go next just because even MJ admitted after draft night that we almost traded him...

[ammofan]

So, if we're shopping Wallace for a C, do we have the assets to get Blake and Outlaw from Portland? I know Felts for Outlaw straight up works, but Spectre's right we would still need a vet pg. I think Outlaw and Diaw would be a nice, versatile tandem of sf and pf w/ both having the ability to play either position. If we get a decent C for Crash then that's a nice 4 player rotation among the frontcourt positions.
Outlaw is not a starter in my opinion and Felton is better than Blake and Outlaw.....and wallace owns all of them.

[jstar5]

I agree Wallace owns all of them and I'm a huge Felts fan, its all predicated on Wallace being traded for a C though. I just think if he's gone then Outlaw would be a great replacement providing versatility and depth. If he continues to find his game he'll be Crash-like (though worse in some aspects) w/ a better outside shot. And Blake is just a steady hand at point w/ a trusty jumper

[ALong13]

Carroll or Nazrs contract SHOULD be traded...

but Felton or Crash WILL be traded first..

[bellringer21]

Who's the PG backup? No way are we trusting 20 +/- minutes to a 40 something pick rookie, and don't even say Shannon Brown...

Unless we get a vet back...and LB's supposed perfect rotation has 1 vet and 2 young guys.

Slam will hate this, but:

Crash/Felton/Nazr

for

Dalembert/Miller

Hell I hate it, but this looks like something Jordan would probably do.

Felton is a good player, but I want something for him instead of losing him to free agency.....I mean, we aren't going to win anything this year with him, so try to get some assets back. I was suggesting to move Felton with a bad contract-the trade intended to open up cap space.

[jstar5]

What about:

Felts/Carroll

for

Outlaw/Blake

Then,

Crash/May

for

Kaman/Gordon

Though, the clips would likely try to push Camby out the door if they were partimg with Gordon. Crash/May works for Camby/Gordon. Anybody think its worth it to take Camby instead of Kaman to acquire Gordon? Thoughts on the first deal?

[jstar5]

I don't necessarily think the clips or blazers would do these deals, but if they did we would be able to run a blue and orange team. Run line changes like the Hurricanes. A roster of:

DJ/Blake/Brown/Singletary
Bell/Gordon/Brown
Diaw/Outlaw/Morrison
OK50/Diaw/Ajinca
Kaman or Camby/OK50

[ALuhrs704]

I think that outlaw trade would be horrible, considering we dont need both of them and they couldnt amount to what crash does for the team. But I think that the next player gone will be felton. I wish we could dump nazi, or carrol, or morrison, but people realize contacts and their ability and bottom line no one wants them. Our chance to trade carrolls contract was last year when the hawks and nets wanted them. MJ is always slacking, maybe if this trade doesnt push us into the playoffs we can draft my man THabeet outta UConn.

[docend24]

I think (in no particular order) Carroll, Mohammed and May are most probable odd men out with Hollins being an eternal possible throw in. Felton is probable to be traded before the trade deadline. Or now probably with someone from previous sentences of this post.

(I know May is untradeable as a player but he has to expire sonner or later - in this case his health is more irrelevant).

[GOBOBCATS24]

We need to trade with the Memphis Grizzlies
Raymond Felton, Gerald Wallace, Sean May, and a First round pick and cash
For O.J. Mayo/Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, and Hakim Warrick

[ALong13]

We need to trade with the Memphis Grizzlies
Raymond Felton, Gerald Wallace, Sean May, and a First round pick and cash
For O.J. Mayo/Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, and Hakim Warrick

Hahaha I'd do it in a heartbeat...I bet you can't find one Grizzlies fan out there who would though let alone their GM


And to be honest I wouldn't trade May unless we got an expiring contract or draft pick in return...His contract ends at the end of this year, we need to stop sending expiring contracts for long-terms ones (Nazr Trade)

[ALong13]

Sorry for the double post...but found this interesting

http://www.gastongazette.com/sports/bobcats_28059___article.html/team_brown.html


Wednesday's trade of Jason Richardson and Jared Dudley for Boris Diaw, Raja Bell and Sean Singletary certainly would qualify as major. But have the Bobcats finished dealing? And was Wednesday's deal a good move?

Most would say no and no.

After all, reports have Charlotte still shopping Gerald Wallace, Matt Carroll and Nazr Mohammed - three players with long contracts the Bobcats apparently no longer feel comfortable with.

...

(Later on in the article)

...The problem has been and still remains on offense?
Before the trade, the Bobcats ranked last in the 30-team NBA in scoring offense. It's hard to imagine losing Richardson will spark an offensive renaissance.

The view from here is that Wallace will be traded for the highest bidder, particularly if a team offers a player with any significant offensive skills at all.

[bellringer21]

What about:

Felts/Carroll

for

Outlaw/Blake

Then,

Crash/May

for

Kaman/Gordon

Though, the clips would likely try to push Camby out the door if they were partimg with Gordon. Crash/May works for Camby/Gordon. Anybody think its worth it to take Camby instead of Kaman to acquire Gordon? Thoughts on the first deal?

Absolutely no way Gordon is in that deal.....they essentially trade 2 for 1! Gordon is their starting SG now and for the future. They already have Al Thorton so getting Wallace isn't a need. The Clippers problem is Dunleavy is their coach. lol Otherwise their talent level is rather high.....I would trade our top 5 for their top 5 in a heartbeat

[GOBOBCATS24]

add adam morrison into the memphis trade and also we can give them cash and instead of may we can send Nazr or carroll

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the only way to get rid of may if is someone is trying to get rid of an unfavorable contract... that would only play to our benefit if it's a helluva player with a long high paying contract

doubt that this scenario exists...

may will be with us until his contract expires or we can pull a trade involving several players..maybe after end of the season

[BRNC]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2776~1026~556&teams=23~23~30&te=&cash=

Every one keeps hoping that we can get guys (Okur and Boozer for example) that other teams are not going to trade to us...I think (and don't jump on me 'cause I did not set this crap in motion) the best we can get for Crash (and probably include McMay because they will see it as an expiring) is Brad Miller...then move Doris Meow to SF....worst case we some how end up with E. Curry (which given what I see going down is more likely at this point)...trade works but knowing us we'll get screwed for another second rounder to boot...

[mrtarheel]

In a perfect world something like this could happen
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2750~2754~2015~3195~3206~ 2794~2753~568~3016&teams=30~29~30~30~22~30~22~29~29~22&te=&cash=

but this would be even heavenly

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2750~2754~2015~3195~3206~ 3005~2794~2753~568~3016&teams=30~29~30~29~22~30~30~22~29~29~22&te=&cash=

[Muttley]

Who's the PG backup? No way are we trusting 20 +/- minutes to a 40 something pick rookie, and don't even say Shannon Brown...

Unless we get a vet back...and LB's supposed perfect rotation has 1 vet and 2 young guys.

Slam will hate this, but:

Crash/Felton/Nazr

for

Dalembert/Miller

Hell I hate it, but this looks like something Jordan would probably do.

This trade is worthless (to Slam) without Iggy!

[Ampsportsduo]

Hell I hate it, but this looks like something Jordan would probably do.

The JRich trade was orchestrated by Higgins. Jordan did have to sign off, but he's not the one pounding the pavement to make trades.

[spectre]

The JRich trade was orchestrated by Higgins. Jordan did have to sign off, but he's not the one pounding the pavement to make trades.

In the end it's Jordan. As you say he signed off, but I have no doubt that Higgins knows and is also directed by what Jordan and Brown wants. LB said he'd talked to Popovich a few weeks ago about Bell.

Higgins is a glorified yes man and is nothing like, say the Portland GM (Pritchard I think).

[BRNC]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081213-14

I thought it would take longer for the LB effect to start rubbing guys the wrong way but again I stand corrected and wrong...just finished this article and I'm just not happy about the situation...

I've listened to you guys (that loved this trade) that want to get euphoric about what is going on and that worries me...for you...

I hated the trade we made not because we traded JRich but because we were hosed guys...both players we have coming in were verbally unhappy with the Suns...Kerr has his butt on the oven (along with T. Porter) and we did not bring back their first rounder out of this...that is crap...

Best case...we get (and I will not argue) a really good defender for to put in at SG...fine...but he is 4 years older and has lost a haf-step to a step...but he is smart...downside with Bell...if he remains unhappy we will see him on the bench a great deal of time with foul problems...bottom line is not on the court where (at this point) he will be desperatly needed...

Doris Meow...traded to the East where if you can't bang and take contact you have a problem...best case...plug in his best season numbers and we have to get those with him at SF...no way this guy plays PF in the East...he does not like contact...he is soft...downside...he has been fighting "conditioning problems" all year...he is a pouting whiner when things don't go his way...and a club house irritant (in a major way) during his pouts...frankly I give him max 2 weeks before he is in LB dog house and we have that contract for how many years...adding...I also have major concerns (if we end up with the pouting whiner Doris) about how he could be a negative influence on AA...and end up with a wasted pick there...

S. Singletary...can't say anything bad about a third string rookie PG...

Where is our 1st rounder from the Suns...same place as a second round pick we sent....

Now...Crash and Ray will be dealt...the rest of the league can look at the trade I outlined above and see how we made out like bandits...and take caution in dealing from fear that they will also be robbed by us in any trade we make (now Crash and Ray) because we certainly robbed the Suns...big time...we took their pain away for JRich, Duds, and a second round pick...

But those who feel euphoric...please do what I'm doing...give it 15-20 games and maybe things will be OK because we have a "mad genius" at work that has a plan...

[dnbman]

With the JRich trade and Wallace rumors, the team seems to want to both dump salaries and rebuild. Okafor, Augustine, and Ajinca seem to be the guys brown is building around.

If that's the case, then I don't think I mind some of these trades, as long as they get us youth and cap space or finding very good pieces for Brown's new vision.

One thing about the J-Rich trade is that it split his salary into two salaries that are easier to trade. In essence, we may have just traded J-Rich to get easier pieces to trade next summer.

Obviously, this could go either way. I don't think anyone was euphoric over the trade. However, some folks were looking at the trade as a practical matter: we needed a PF and we got one and a quality sg to take JRich's spot. It wasn't great, but I don't think we were going to make a trade that would make the fans happy. Nobody is going to give us a great player for our garbage. The Gasol trade last year was the exception, not the rule.

I'm just very interested to see how this plays out.

[BRNC]

I wanted to add (but it was getting kinda long) that this kin of thing...franchises with deep pockets and long histories can live through (ie. the Knicks)...but without a deep pocket owner committed (if the negative happens) to a franchise...if this does not work (and I hope against everything in me telling me it is a bad joke) we end up in a couple of years without a franchise...so please kill the euphoria because I know when I "sound negative" about this stuff it rubs some folks the wrong way...but the talk of euphoria makes me wonder if you care if this franchise stays or not...talk about being in love with a line up that has yet to play a single game...please...

Me...I want it to stay...and I want it to work...but I'm a realist and I've seen this game before (not just the Knicks and not just LB) and rarely does it pan out...I just hope that this is one of the rare times but I think the trades (I know are coming) bother me even more than the one we just made...

[BRNC]

With the JRich trade and Wallace rumors, the team seems to want to both dump salaries and rebuild. Okafor, Augustine, and Ajinca seem to be the guys brown is building around.

If that's the case, then I don't think I mind some of these trades, as long as they get us youth and cap space or finding very good pieces for Brown's new vision.

One thing about the J-Rich trade is that it split his salary into two salaries that are easier to trade. In essence, we may have just traded J-Rich to get easier pieces to trade next summer.

Obviously, this could go either way. I don't think anyone was euphoric over the trade. However, some folks were looking at the trade as a practical matter: we needed a PF and we got one and a quality sg to take JRich's spot. It wasn't great, but I don't think we were going to make a trade that would make the fans happy. Nobody is going to give us a great player for our garbage. The Gasol trade last year was the exception, not the rule.

I'm just very interested to see how this plays out.

Kind of hard to rebuild when you're sending out draft picks...not bringing them back...

[dnbman]

Kind of hard to rebuild when you're sending out draft picks...not bringing them back...

You don't really build around second round picks unless you get lucky. The only first rounder we've sent out was lottery protected. So, we're in o.k. shape.

[BRNC]

You don't really build around second round picks unless you get lucky. The only first rounder we've sent out was lottery protected. So, we're in o.k. shape.

No argument from me...but if you're smart you know how to turn second round picks into a first (with teams at the bottom of the draft) that would rather bury talent overseas...

True you're probably getting glue guys or specialist (which ever team needs and you draft smart) with those but never devalue a second round pick...especially when you can accumulate them...

[dnbman]

No argument from me...but if you're smart you know how to turn second round picks into a first (with teams at the bottom of the draft) that would rather bury talent overseas...

True you're probably getting glue guys or specialist (which ever team needs and you draft smart) with those but never devalue a second round pick...especially when you can accumulate them...

That's true: every pawn is a potential queen.

However, I'm not going crazy because a team wants a second round pick to make a deal work. Brown liked their pg, so the management threw in a pick. Essentially, we acquired an additional second round pick from the previous draft that Brown likes.

Again, none of these moves have been genius or even very smart. However, I don't think that they are sabotaging our ability to be successful. Rather, Brown seems to be doing what probably needs to be done: moving parts that aren't going to win together and developing a team that will. As long as he isn't bringing in guys like Franchise, giant contracts that make zero sense, I'm o.k. with it.

[Keetch]

In my opinion, if guys don't want to play for Larry Brown, then they shouldn't let the door hit them in the butt as they leave.

I've just watched too many quality players come up to LB at games and hug him. I've also watched Brown win championships at Kansas and Detroit. This isn't about Larry Brown. It's about the players stepping up..or not.

[BRNC]

That's true: every pawn is a potential queen.

However, I'm not going crazy because a team wants a second round pick to make a deal work. Brown liked their pg, so the management threw in a pick. Essentially, we acquired an additional second round pick from the previous draft that Brown likes.

Again, none of these moves have been genius or even very smart. However, I don't think that they are sabotaging our ability to be successful. Rather, Brown seems to be doing what probably needs to be done: moving parts that aren't going to win together and developing a team that will. As long as he isn't bringing in guys like Franchise, giant contracts that make zero sense, I'm o.k. with it.

I'm not going to ever argue that this team could win under LB...it would not and could not...

I will argue that we had the talent here (caveat still needing some) that with the correct hie last year could have taken these guys to the playoffs...that may not be much to many here but you think about where this franchise is headed every time you (and me) walk into a damn near empty arena...

[dnbman]

I'm not going to ever argue that this team could win under LB...it would not and could not...

I will argue that we had the talent here (caveat still needing some) that with the correct hie last year could have taken these guys to the playoffs...that may not be much to many here but you think about where this franchise is headed every time you (and me) walk into a damn near empty arena...

I don't understand that you are saying in the first sentence. So, you think the Bobcats could NOT win under Larry Brown?

Our team, not matter who the coach was, was critically flawed. We had no depth at the point and we had no PF of any kind. We also lacked skill by the athletic players and athleticism by the skilled players.

I love the team we had last year. I would have loved to have found a quality PF and the right backups to make it work. Perhaps if we acquired a quality PF in the offseason, we might be in better shape. However, acquiring that PF would have cost us. And, again, not many teams are sending quality players for another team's crap. So, we have no idea of knowing how the acquisition of the PF would have hampered us in other ways.

As far as sparse crowds, there's just not much you can do other than win a lot. If you win a lot, people will watch. Brown and the management are doing what they think they need to do to win, thus bringing the fans and filling seats.

[spectre]

Felton/Nazr for Blake/Przybilla?

Heh, no way we'd get that out of Pritchard! I'd take it though; Blake is much more a pass first and Przybilla is def. an upgrade over Nazr.

Being "confident" about moving Crash doesn't really make me feel all warm and cozy tho.

[BRNC]

dnb...I'm talking about the team that was here when he got here...LB had already made his mind up to trade players before got here...and I've watched the "rotations" closely since game one and (IMO) they were being used poorly at best...I know I'll get arguments on that...fine..again (my opinion)....

LB had decided that the team was going to be blown up because he wants players he wants period...problem is too many times he immediately falls out of love with that player and you got a major problem..

When LB (or any coach) takes an NBA job and they have free rein (there are rare exceptions) usually havoc reins...

Most NBA coaches traditionally (and I do use D'Antoni in NY cause we have similar time frames and he went in under "traditional" hire) are hired and told to coach and win...period...end of story...and when LB is hired under those conditions it works...but LB is not the guy I would have hired for this team from the get go (and neither is D'Antoni cause I've never liked the way he uses rotations) with the talent we already had...but again...many people here feels blowing up the team was the way to go so they're getting their wish...my point..I'll watch the talent we ship out the door thrive with other teams...folks will come back and say "well they could not play together"...my answer...BS...with the correct hire they would have...but that hire was not LB...LOB was the correct hire to blow up the team...so the folk that wanted the team blown up got their wish granted...those of us that thought we had the talent (caveat needing a bit more) but wanted a real coach that could mold that talent did not get ours...

For my part...I hope it works because I want our franchise to stay...and for my part I stand by my "How I will evaluate this trade" post...LB is getting what he wants (or claims to)...but guys if he starts biting the hand that feeds him by pointing the finger at MJ and Higgins...we're cooked..done..and probably have another gone franchise in 2-3 years...so I'm really hoping this works...

[spectre]

I didn't "want" the team blown up, but part of that was just me having an attachment to the players we've went to war with. After all the losing there's a part that wants to see these guys succeed, esp. since I still believe the past coaching was a big contributor.

Facts are there has been no "plan" in building this team. We've continually drafted wings, we let the need for a true PF go for years, we went into last year with no backup at PG.

We needed Larry Brown and we needed him to make this into a real "team"...not just a group of guys wearing the same uniform. That's what Bernie & Jordan up til now has given us. Dumars had the cred to dictate to LB...our management does not and indeed should be begging him to do his thing.

[BRNC]

I didn't "want" the team blown up, but part of that was just me having an attachment to the players we've went to war with. After all the losing there's a part that wants to see these guys succeed, esp. since I still believe the past coaching was a big contributor.

Facts are there has been no "plan" in building this team. We've continually drafted wings, we let the need for a true PF go for years, we went into last year with no backup at PG.

We needed Larry Brown and we needed him to make this into a real "team"...not just a group of guys wearing the same uniform. That's what Bernie & Jordan up til now has given us. Dumars had the cred to dictate to LB...our management does not and indeed should be begging him to do his thing.

Guy I'm with you...if it has to be done and it was the only way...fine (although I don't think it was)...my fear out of all of this...I'm going to damn near empty arena now every time I go...and you have to have a fan base that can live through this kind of (rebuild" plus have a owner (with deep pockets) that cares..we have no Ted Turner here (and I went through this in Atlanta so I know from where I speak)...we do not have the fan base nor the owner...period...

Frankly..after FHB this is the last thing we needed to do...and I'll remind everyone that our team started what...7-2..last year with less talent and the crappiest coach in the league...even with Bernie coaching last year the "funk" after the Boston game would not have been allowed to be a dwelling point...FHB rubbed our guys noses in it because he is a dumba**...and it cost us going to the playoffs with even less talent than we started the year with...

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BRNC you gotta step back and just let it play out...LB has been to the playoffs with every team he's coached, with the exception of the Knicks...the probabilities are in his favor.. he may not win us a championship, but he will make us a playoff contending team at which point he may retire or move on, and we'll get some other coach

[BRNC]

BRNC you gotta step back and just let it play out...LB has been to the playoffs with every team he's coached, with the exception of the Knicks...the probabilities are in his favor.. he may not win us a championship, but he will make us a playoff contending team at which point he may retire or move on, and we'll get some other coach

I have no choice but to let it play out...it is the euphoria that is killing me...I just hope it plays out to the good faster than I can see...because again...I'm not the problem...our ownership and an empty arena are the problem...

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I have no choice but to let it play out...it is the euphoria that is killing me...I just hope it plays out to the good faster than I can see...because again...I'm not the problem...our ownership and an empty arena are the problem...

i agree...i just think the more thought one gives to this, the more frustrating it gets...hang tight and lets see what happens tonight..

i for one, i'm pretty excited to see what's going to happen...i'm hoping for a close game

[BRNC]

i agree...i just think the more thought one gives to this, the more frustrating it gets...hang tight and lets see what happens tonight..

i for one, i'm pretty excited to see what's going to happen...i'm hoping for a close game

I would hope..but me (and my lack of euphoria) think we're going to have a Detroit team come in here with something to prove (and a heck of a lot more talent than Dallas) regardless of playing a back to back and blow us out of our own arena...that is what I expect not what I want...let me clear on that point...

[dnbman]

I would hope..but me (and my lack of euphoria) think we're going to have a Detroit team come in here with something to prove (and a heck of a lot more talent than Dallas) regardless of playing a back to back and blow us out of our own arena...that is what I expect not what I want...let me clear on that point...

I don't understand this euphoria that you are talking about. Again, I don't think anyone is especially happy about this last trade or future trades. If anything, people are just trying to be positive about some player movement that might finally put a winning team together. I think it's safe to say that nobody believes that Diaw and Bell replacing Richardson is definitely going to make us a strong playoff team. Nobody is euphoric.

It sounds like most people-- rather you agreed with the trade or not-- are a little anxious around here to see what happens.

[bfer]

Guys, i am on the fence about the trade and will see how things go tonight. it was also sad to see JRich tear it up last night in Phoenix. As far as the franchise, no way we will lose it. If they move the team it will cost hundreds of millions and with the current econony and that agreement it wont happen. Also, other than Seattle there arent many possibilities to move since OKC is now filled and Vegas is still off limits. We just need to sit back and see what happens and trust LB and his prior track record. He is a proven winner and we need to remember that. I do hope we dont trade GW as this would be a big change to the team. I think it was a good idea to break up the core as we werent getting it done. Last year it was because of the coach. Now, we have the coach and they still werent getting it done. That lies on the players.

[ammofan]

I bet we make a trade AFTEr the game tonight because i am sure we wanna see how Gerald and Raja and Boris look in their with Feltons or Augustin and Mek.
I saw on RealGM about how the Bulls are shopping Tyrus Thomas, Thabo, and larry Hughes. I wonder if there is a potential deal there.

[dnbman]

I bet we make a trade AFTEr the game tonight because i am sure we wanna see how Gerald and Raja and Boris look in their with Feltons or Augustin and Mek.
I saw on RealGM about how the Bulls are shopping Tyrus Thomas, Thabo, and larry Hughes. I wonder if there is a potential deal there.

I could be way off, but I don't think the trade will based on one game with Gerald and those guys, having no significant time spent training together. If Gerald is traded in the next few days, as Aldridge has stated, it will because they've already decided to trade him.

[Ampsportsduo]

I suppose I've been one of the "euphoric" ones, because I've endorsed the trade. I don't find it surprising both Wallace and Richardson were not getting along well with LB. For the majority of their careers they've both played with "player's coaches."

As we've discussed, if Ray's going to be gone after this season and some teams are also willing to take Nazr's contract to get him, I hate to see him go, but it helps this team to get better faster.

This "euphoria" that is being spoken of, is not true euphoria, but the ability to separate an emotional tie to players from the business side of sports. JRich was not the player that some want to make him out to be. Would you be this distraught if the team traded Ray Allen? Because that's essentially the player JRich had become. He was not worth the money the team was going to be paying him over the next several years. I enjoyed watching him and cheering for him. I was part of the standing ovation he got for his 10,000th point. I appreciated his effort here, but he was never going to lead this team to a deep playoff run.

[BRNC]

I suppose I've been one of the "euphoric" ones, because I've endorsed the trade. I don't find it surprising both Wallace and Richardson were not getting along well with LB. For the majority of their careers they've both played with "player's coaches."

As we've discussed, if Ray's going to be gone after this season and some teams are also willing to take Nazr's contract to get him, I hate to see him go, but it helps this team to get better faster.

This "euphoria" that is being spoken of, is not true euphoria, but the ability to separate an emotional tie to players from the business side of sports. JRich was not the player that some want to make him out to be. Would you be this distraught if the team traded Ray Allen? Because that's essentially the player JRich had become. He was not worth the money the team was going to be paying him over the next several years. I enjoyed watching him and cheering for him. I was part of the standing ovation he got for his 10,000th point. I appreciated his effort here, but he was never going to lead this team to a deep playoff run.

Amp...I hear 'ya and you know I like 'ya...let me be clear...any ties to any player end when they stop being a player on my team...and the euphoria I speak of has to do with what I see as unrealistic expectations that the team will all of a sudden be better because of these changes going on...

But as far as the trade...I did not like it because (IMO) we got hosed...just that simple...

But I think I need to take advice from mustacio and just shut up and let it play out...I should (and will in the future) just post a "New Bobcats article" and leave it at that...most people on this board are die hard fans same as me...smart enough to figure out and draw their own conclusions from what is going on...

[TheBeagle]

In my opinion, if guys don't want to play for Larry Brown, then they shouldn't let the door hit them in the butt as they leave.

I've just watched too many quality players come up to LB at games and hug him. I've also watched Brown win championships at Kansas and Detroit. This isn't about Larry Brown. It's about the players stepping up..or not. As much as I like Gerald, I couldn't agree more with you, Keetch: it's about winning; not catering to the individual player!

[Proudiddy]

Or has another trick up his sleeve... And a big one at that. This team looks like hot garbage against a mediocre Detroit team right now. It's horrible. Something better happen...

[Alex]

I'm not sure what you were expecting. These guys haven't even had one practice yet.

[Proudiddy]

Forgive me for being impatient, but I've waited 5 years to see a winner put on the floor and I still feel this trade in itself put us back 3 more steps before we can even take one forward.

[x2pacalypse]

the team that played tonight is equivalent to going to a gym and playing a pickup game with 2 friends and 2 people you've never seen before, you have no set plays, its basically every man for himself...i really expect us to improve greatly by the middle of next week

[spectre]

No offense but seriously, a thread like this at this point in time is pure knee jerk.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Almost came back =p

[Alex]

Forgive me for being impatient, but I've waited 5 years to see a winner put on the floor and I still feel this trade in itself put us back 3 more steps before we can even take one forward.

We weren't going anywhere with the roster we had built man, why won't you realize that? This team had to be blown up sooner or later.

[Muttley]

Can't all these "this trade sucks" threads be combined into one? They all say the same thing. Why do we need to have 35 of them?

[Alex]

Can't all these "this trade sucks" threads be combined into one? They all say the same thing. Why do we need to have 35 of them?

Because all the people who have that opinion are idiots and can't read.

[spectre]

^ Not cool to be calling people Fine Ham Biscuit. :mad:

[Muttley]

Because all the people who have that opinion are idiots and can't read.
Also, their opinion on the matter is THE most important opinion on the matter, and so it deserves its own thread.

[davcbow]

LOL I love this thread reading about all the Fine Ham Biscuits....:p

[Alex]

Also, their opinion on the matter is THE most important opinion on the matter, and so it deserves its own thread.

Thank you for putting it more eloquently than I did :biggrin:

[Ghost Kat]

It wasn't a bad effort. Bell & Diaw looked a little jumpy at first but they are playin in a new place their first game with alot of pressure to perform. Things get better from here. I think alot of people on this board see that. Neither Bell nor Diaw are folks to build a team around, But they fit what this team needs right now. Other then a sure night in/out player which we gave up, There are signs that as a team they migt pull something close to amazing and break even this year. I'll be very happy with that, i've lost sight of the play-offs:cry:

[dav7z]

Diaw and Bell amited they played bad after the game tonight . But i liked some of what i seen . Remember the guys just packed up thair personal junk flew across country . Played a pro basketball game without even a practice. Beagle and i talked with M. Thompson during the game tonight . And i assure you you you will see better play from both guys though nothing was said .
Things you don't notice on TV
Diaw looks to pass the ball , He rebounds nicely, And hes much longer and biger than i thought, His shot wasn't falling but that could be due to jet lag or just playing with players he never played with befor.
Bell did a nice job stoping Rip but his shot was off too . Bell looks to have a nice defencive game . And if he started for the Suns his offencive game was misleading tonight.
Lets give the new guys at least a few practices til we judge how good or bad the trade was.

[Mustachio]

Forgive me for being impatient, but I've waited 5 years to see a winner put on the floor and I still feel this trade in itself put us back 3 more steps before we can even take one forward.



Waited a whole 4 years huh. real tough. Cleveland fans want to punch you in the face right now.

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i'm eating a fine ham biscuit from bonjangles tomorrow, i'm crossing my fingers i won more than $1 from that bojangles card they were giving at the game

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I got 3 of those from a Panther game. $1 each =(

The lady who had to type in each one of them got really annoyed at doing all that for $3. >.>

[SWedd523]

With all this talk about knee jerks, we really should get a knee jerk smiley! Zig I know you were looking for some new ones to add.

While we're at it, what about a Fine Ham Biscuit smiley?:biggrin:

[Ampsportsduo]

With all this talk about knee jerks, we really should get a knee jerk smiley!

Yes! A Chorus Line of knee jerking smileys would be hawt hawt hawt.

[Proudiddy]

Alex and Muttley... STFU. Nobody said my opinion is more important... Making your own thread has more to do with not WANTING to read half the crap posted in this forum with people coming up with 9-people deals between us and a trade partner... Yeah, that's not idiotic. I'd rather post a new thread than read uninformed blind homerism, sunshine, and rainbow farts. Gimme a break. You can make several threads talking about how genius LB is or how "i hate to see him go, but this trade is great."

Again, gimme a f*cking break. Yeah, the core wasn't going anywhere... but again, my issue was more with the person that was traded, the reasons he was traded, and what we received in return. We got f*cked. Okay, we've all stated our opinion on it. Don't take it personal that I'm not so willing to ride LB's jock like you are. I want results. I didn't expect him to come in here and have us looking like Boston, but expected more. He knows basketball, but he's got a lot of quirks and primadonna to him, and it's starting to piss me off.

I want the team and franchise to act like they want to win, not "blow it up" because it's not working. We've been "blowing" stuff up in this organization since it was started. It's getting old.

Think about this... We we're reportedly offered Amare Stoudamire before the draft last year (the report was never refuted either). We didn't take it, but then we trade for JRich and Nazr which ate up most of our cap room. On top of that, for those players, we gave away Brendan Wright, Walter Hermann, Brezec (he doesn't even matter), Jared Dudley, and invaluable cap space to either give them away to or take them. We got everyone else's crap for some players with value. We could've had Stoudamire and now we can't even find a trade partner unless we take all the crap they don't want. Why? Because our players have no value. Our front office was already looking questionable, but then LB comes in and trades the one guy away that we traded for with the belief that he was going to be a building block for us. So we traded away a lottery pick (whether is was going to be Wright or not) for Raja Bell and Boris Diaw.

Brown is an egotistical primadonna and his fingerprints are all over this work. I'm not pro-Tarheel, nor am I non-Tarheel, but this UNC club he's trying to start isn't cool (and that goes for MJ too). It's about more than the trade. And I'm entitled to my opinion as well as stating it, IN MY OWN THREAD if I please. Keep rocking them rose colored glasses. I'm not against LB, but I'm not for what he's doing. He got a fair hot in my book as a loyal fan, but he's quickly wearing out his welcome. And I should have the right to say so without being called an IDIOT because my opinion differs from yours, idiot.

[SWedd523]

Hey Proudiddy, you really think they were seriously willing to give up Amare? There are hundreds of trade RUMORS that go around that are not refuted for whatever reason. Nobody refuted the Eddy Curry trade? Nobody refuted the McCants trade? I think you saying we "could've had Stoudemire" is a bet wishful. There is no person in the NBA who WOULDN'T trade for him. There simply isn't.

I don't think Alex and Muttley are targeting YOU in specific with wishing to consolidate these threads. There have been calls by different people to put all the LB jock riding threads and trade idea threads together. Nobody is specifically targeting you. Best I can say is chill out dude.

This is a place where we get along even if we don't all agree. Take what people say in stride and don't let your panties get in a bunch. Muttley and Alex are good guys and wouldn't intentionally put your underpants in the proverbial "bunch"

I really WISH I had a knee jerk smiley right now (hint hint)

[BRNC]

Because all the people who have that opinion are idiots and can't read.

Swedd...I think for any of us to call post or posters that we disagree with idiots, stupid, or insinuate to that effect...say or insinuate that someone (because they have a different opinion) thinks theirs' is the only or most correct...I think it is dangerous ground to tread if we're going to be respectful to and about one another...I know I blew my top over this trade and really had to chill...and anyone that felt fine with it I hope (and I don't think I did) I was not rude in any personal way....

My take (and why I'm here) is that we all care about the franchise so we are coming from the exact same starting place...we care about the franchise...

The views of how to proceed...draft picks...trades are not always the same...IMO it is like we all share the same prism (the franchise) but turn it (sometimes) ever so slightly to view trough or turn it a great deal...ergo the view changes slightly or a great deal...

But I always try to remember that we are all starting from the same place...we care about the success of the franchise...so if anyone ever feels I'm out of line just let me know and it will not bother me for you to let me know...and I'll certainly take time to chill...but always remeber (and I'll try to do the same) that even if we don't agree that it is just the way we are looking through the prism but we are coming from the same place...we care about the team and the franchise...

[SWedd523]

BRNC I didn't see THAT post. My previous post is now null and void...



From now on, when we want to make some sort of derogatory remark to any other person on this forum, substitute it with one of the following:

Sam, Vincent, Biscuit, Ham, Fine, or any combination of the former.

For example, Alex's quote has now be FIXED:


Because all the people who have that opinion are biscuits and can't read.

That's your warning Alex!:g:

[Muttley]

Making your own thread has more to do with not WANTING to read half the crap posted in this forum with people coming up with 9-people deals between us and a trade partner...

This is exactly why I'd like all these posts in one thread, so I can read the thoughtful ones and brush past the thoughtless ones without having to click on 20 different threads. If you want a blog, then start a blog.


Alex and Muttley... STFU.

Look, I wasn't referring to just you. Obviously, if you were the only person creating a new thread every time you wanted to say something then I wouldn't have much to complain about. Please relax and get over yourself. I don't much care for you telling me to "passive acronym."


Swedd, that's a great idea. I think I'll go "Shut The Finehambiscuit Up" now!

[BRNC]

I still like the idea of coming up with "smiley faces" to convey those thoughts...what kinda "face" would convey "shut the finehambiscuit up" muttley (LOL)...or damn...just thought..it might be to frightening to look upon...:biggrin:

[Muttley]

I still like the idea of coming up with "smiley faces" to convey those thoughts...what kinda "face" would convey "shut the finehambiscuit up" muttley (LOL)...or damn...just thought..it might be to frightening to look upon...:biggrin:
Yeah, WOW! I just pictured what that would look like, and maybe I took the thought too far, but that was unpleasant.

Oh, wait, that'd be "shove the finehambiscuit up."

Maybe just a biscuit-shaped smiley with a sock getting stuffed in it's mouth?

[SWedd523]

Or maybe just a biscuit shaped smiley?

Repair man man man man AWAY!!!

[BRNC]

Yeah, WOW! I just pictured what that would look like, and maybe I took the thought too far, but that was unpleasant.

Oh, wait, that'd be "shove the finehambiscuit up."

Maybe just a biscuit-shaped smiley with a sock getting stuffed in it's mouth?

LMAO...too much...

[Proudiddy]

My bad then fellas... I just want the best for our franchise and the current state is just really getting to me now... so I apologize Muttley and Alex.

Also, about the Amare trade, to my knowledge, Ric Bucher had even reported that we were on the verge of getting Amare ina three team deal at that time... It had come from several sources and it was when the Suns were trying to get KG. I think it was Okafor or Crash and our pick or something like that. So yes, I believe we passed on getting Amare.

[JamieMcNeill]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081213-14

weekend dime.

says that that some teams are looking at dealing for felton but our FO is standing strong and saying they will have to take nazr. I give it up to the FO for actually standing strong on this and not just giving felton away. Im all for change that helps us but if we just give him away. I swear. They also say that we are shopping GW but ill hold back comment until i see what kind of trade we are dealing with.

[docend24]

Simply don't believe "the experts" and rumour bringers.

[Felton for Prez]

I certainly don't want to see Felton go but if you can dump Nazr in the process. I am all for it.

There other interesting piece in the paragraph was this: "One source close to the situation said new Bobcats coach Larry Brown already had been grinding on vets such as Richardson and Wallace, which has apparently exacerbated Brown's famed penchant for wanting to make changes."

This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've heard this. My gut doesn't want to believe this but usually where there is smoke there is fire.

[BRNC]

This stuff (I read this one also Jamie and another very similar over the weekend) is popping up more and more on Ray so it has to give you pause...

[BRNC]

This was the closest semi-active trade thread so I'll use it...I will not use the one with Crash in the title out of respect and would really rather not speculate on any trade right now out of respect for Crash and his family...with that out of the way...

I think it was amp that got me thinking (and then the B. Miller being shopped post I have on the NBA thread) about who we might get as a 5...I used the two sites to winnow down and I also only looked at non-starters...but they had to be playing at least 30% minutes...I'm not going to go into "heavy stats" but simply talked about a couple of players...

From their stats both (J. Foster and R. Nesterovic) at Indiana have some appeal stat wise...in that they would not hurt the team...I tend to think LB will want to get a vet (since I and many believe Ryan and AA) we have young bigs he wants to develop...the appeal with either of these guys (they both bring something slightly different) is they both have expiring contracts so if they help in a good way we can resign (Foster is 31 and Nesterovic is 32)...Foster has better appeal as a longer term (3-4 years) player that could help over that lengh while Ryan and AA get up to speed...Indiana may or may not be interested in a deal for Ray (more likely would have to involve at least 3 teams) but they have been reluctant in the past to trade Foster...bigger problem in dealing with Indiana is (I think we all know) they will try to dump Tinsley...

Brad Miller (whom I'd rather not have) from his stats would not kill us...he will also have an expiring next year...the article I read indicated that Miller has been indifferant to defense this year...his stats might indicate that he would not kill us but I think his head might...the Kings may or may not have interest in Ray...

Charlie V. has been talked about before (if we go slightly younger) and could/would be interchaneable with EO50 and would be a good fit stat wise...problem is the only name I've heard being shopped by the Bucks is Redd...so again would have to find at least a third team...

I tried to stay away from players with negative Roland scores (think of it as a quick and dirty modified PER)...B. Miller is the only one of these four players with a negative Roland (-1.1) but it is not a killer "bad"...but again with him I have more problems with intangibles and decline....

These look like our "best options" to me but if anyone wants me to look at a specific player I'll be glad to...

(Disclaimer: Thes opinions are based solely on looking at stats and how a players skill set might fit with our team...they do not reflect a desire by the writer to trade a (or any specific) player from our team...

[Ampsportsduo]

I'm pretty sure it was the Suns that killed the KG trade.

Take a look at these numbers: 0, 0, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7, and 10. Anyone want to guess what they are? They average out to just under 4.





Answer: JRich's 4th quarter scoring this season while he was with the Bobcats

[BRNC]

I'm pretty sure it was the Suns that killed the KG trade.

Take a look at these numbers: 0, 0, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7, and 10. Anyone want to guess what they are? They average out to just under 4.





Answer: JRich's 4th quarter scoring this season while he was with the Bobcats

OK..I'll bite...numbers for 14 games...who is the player and what is the stat?

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Answer: JRich's 4th quarter scoring this season while he was with the Bobcats

Ampsports..where did you find the stats?

[Ampsportsduo]

Old school... just went through the game logs.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Old school... just went through the game logs.

nevermind then.. i thought you had a site that broke out stats by player by quarter

[mrtarheel]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2754~454~2015~3206~3005~3 87~2794~2211~2753~568~3016~1026&teams=30~30~30~30~30~30~22~22~29~22~29~22~29&te=&cash=

This would give us all kind of options while also bringing in an up and coming all star and bigs with a vet backup pg for DJ but most of all Cap Relief.

Dj / Blake / Singletary
Bell / Brown / Gay
Gay / Outlaw / Diaw
Diaw / Frye / Ajinca
Okafor / Gasol / Hollins

Most of these parts are interchangeable depending on matchups or just avaliability.

To bad we still have May or this would have been an awesome trade. I do think that we could do a 3 team trade with Memphis and Portland and land some good pieces thou. If we let Felts go we have to bring back someone like Blake for Dj and we still would have 3 pg with Singletary. If Wallace goes we need a young stud like Gay for his offense and I think Gasol would give us the Center to put Okafor at the 4 spot.

[davcbow]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2754~454~2015~3206~3005~3 87~2794~2211~2753~568~3016~1026&teams=30~30~30~30~30~30~22~22~29~22~29~22~29&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994%7E2754%7E454%7E2015%7E320 6%7E3005%7E387%7E2794%7E2211%7E2753%7E568%7E3016%7 E1026&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E22%7E22%7E29%7 E22%7E29%7E22%7E29&te=&cash=)

This would give us all kind of options while also bringing in an up and coming all star and bigs with a vet backup pg for DJ but most of all Cap Relief.

Dj / Blake / Singletary
Bell / Brown / Gay
Gay / Outlaw / Diaw
Diaw / Frye / Ajinca
Okafor / Gasol / Hollins

Most of these parts are interchangeable depending on matchups or just avaliability.


That trade would break some kind of trade record wouldn't it?

[dav7z]

This stuff (I read this one also Jamie and another very similar over the weekend) is popping up more and more on Ray so it has to give you pause...


I just thought i would look to see about what i thought Felton might bring in. Being realistice
I kinda think its somthing like this
Pryzbilla and Frye for Felton and Nazz
This is interesting as i think Prysbilla could at the very least contribute at the five. Im very high on Frye as i truely belive hes starting material, but we just picked up Diaw who im high on too. So my next thought is if we made that trade we have Wallace left another trade asset . With the addition of two p/fs and a center what direction do we take with Wallace. As i still think we still over loaded at the three even without Wallace. Wallace would make any kind of trade for Felton interesting.
Thought as to what Felton might bring?

[mrtarheel]

made a mistake here, sorry.

[mrtarheel]

That trade would break some kind of trade record wouldn't it?

I had to go back and revise it because we would have to many players but there some pieces we could get with those players packaged together.

[ziggy]

Or maybe just a biscuit shaped smiley?

Repair man man man man AWAY!!!

Now presenting... The Ham Biscuit emoticon

:rock::fhb::rim::fhb::funkybanana:

[Mustachio]

Now presenting... The Ham Biscuit emoticon

:fhb::fhb:


that makes me hungry... and sad. and then a little mad. but then hungry again.

:fhb:

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

forgive my ignorance, but i've never been able to figure out the relation between "fine ham biscuit" and sam vincent...

[ziggy]

forgive my ignorance, but i've never been able to figure out the relation between "fine ham biscuit" and sam vincent...
It all started right here (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showpost.php?p=82505&postcount=3)... Enjoy :biggrin:
Here is the link to that full thread The Potentially Epic Sam Vincent Photoshop thread (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6786)

[dav7z]

After looking at team needs , Felton puts Portland over the top as I noticed Bayless is not adjusting to quickly . And thats the kind of organization Felton would thrive in. We not going to get one of thair young stars but im thinking about any thing else they would listen too.

Felton, Nazz, Carroll = OUT
Pryzbilla, , Frye, Outlaw= IN
They do this to get a starting point thet could take them deep into the playoffs. All so i don't think hes not going to demand a hudge contract off season .
W e do this to gain cap space in Carroll and all so inprove our over all roster. That all so alows them to gain a real asset for Frye and Outlaw.
I can see why Felton has more value in this setting than Wallace.?

[BRNC]

After looking at team needs , Felton puts Portland over the top as I noticed Bayless is not adjusting to quickly . And thats the kind of organization Felton would thrive in. We not going to get one of thair young stars but im thinking about any thing else they would listen too.

Felton, Nazz, Carroll = OUT
Pryzbilla, , Frye, Outlaw= IN
They do this to get a starting point thet could take them deep into the playoffs. All so i don't think hes not going to demand a hudge contract off season .
W e do this to gain cap space in Carroll and all so inprove our over all roster. That all so alows them to gain a real asset for Frye and Outlaw.
I can see why Felton has more value in this setting than Wallace.?

Pryzbilla would not hurt us daz...but I think if we trade with Portland they will not send him out but insist we take LaFrentz...

[dav7z]

Pryzbilla would not hurt us daz...but I think if we trade with Portland they will not send him out but insist we take LaFrentz...
The Lafrentz contract is much to big for us to take on in ordor for us to gain any assets in return for Felton . So that would never work on our part .
People have to remember we giving up a starting point guard who fits right in with that team age wize and fits right in with thair starters . Thats Portlands biggest need a solid young point Felton fits perfectly .
I don't think we have to take on Lafrentz contract in this case we can trade for real assets.

[BRNC]

The Lafrentz contract is much to big for us to take on in ordor for us to gain any assets in return for Felton . So that would never work on our part .
People have to remember we giving up a starting point guard who fits right in with that team age wize and fits right in with thair starters . Thats Portlands biggest need a solid young point Felton fits perfectly .
I don't think we have to take on Lafrentz contract in this case we can trade for real assets.

Have you ever watched Pritchard go to work...this guy is dangerous to deal with...he'll make you thank him for not taking some ones grandmother in a deal...guy is just dangerous to deal with (and given our FO...they might give the grandmother also)...

PS...although in this case letting grandma go would force McMay to buy his own cookies rather than getting them from grandma (and he's probably not willing to walk to the store to buy them) so it could help as an intangible...LOL

[Proudiddy]

I really hope we can pull off a deal with Portland... If we could get one of their guards and a big man for Felton and Nazr, I will be extremely happy. Especially if we got Pryzbilla and/or Frye in return. Frye is a nice offensive guy, but honestly I'd love it if we got Pryzbilla. He DEFENDS and REBOUNDS, just like LB likes and I think he would be a great complementary piece. I think this is the best option out there right now.

[spectre]

Have you ever watched Pritchard go to work...this guy is dangerous to deal with...he'll make you thank him for not taking some ones grandmother in a deal...guy is just dangerous to deal with (and given our FO...they might give the grandmother also)...

Ditto that. Pritchard and Dumars of DET are the GMs I'm most scared of dealing with.

I don't think they'd want to give us LeFrenz's contract tho unless that's the main part of the deal; they're looking at that like a prime trading piece (huge expiring, and I think most of his salary is covered by insurance, but could be wrong on that one).

[dav7z]

Ditto that. Pritchard and Dumars of DET are the GMs I'm most scared of dealing with.

I don't think they'd want to give us LeFrenz's contract tho unless that's the main part of the deal; they're looking at that like a prime trading piece (huge expiring, and I think most of his salary is covered by insurance, but could be wrong on that one).

Agreeded on Pritchard and Lefrenz , That leaves Frye and Pryzbilla if Pritchard wants Felton . Its no other pieces he would trade that could include Nazz.
He wants Felton to have a solid starting five for the next five years. Bayless was drafted to be that but hasn't produced so far .
I think Frye and Pryzbilla is very atainable . But im not so sure Brown wants to let Felton go . Whitch might be a mistake by Brown in this cae because i think DJ14 is about ready to run the team. All so Brown thinks he has to have two solid points .
I think Singletery would work in a back up role as im sure Brown would go crazy if he lost either DJ14 or Felton for any lynth of time.

But i would still jump on a deal like that. We would have one hell of a rotation. Just a little weak at back up point. Hell Diaw could do that??

[spectre]

I want Blake/Przybilla for Felton/Nazr. IMO we have too many big projects already...and Frye has just disappointed for too long.

I'd gladly throw NOLA's 2nd owed to us in that too.

[dav7z]

I want Blake/Przybilla for Felton/Nazr. IMO we have too many big projects already...and Frye has just disappointed for too long.

I'd gladly throw NOLA's 2nd owed to us in that too.

Im sure Brown would rather do that to . Blake being a expiring and a point. But i doin't see Prichard parting with that expiring. Im sure any deal would involve Frye who i think is very under rated. Or Outlaw , The statment of taking on Nazzs contract leads one to belive it's Przybilla and either Frye or Outlaw.
If Frye didn't work out it would still be a good contract , Last year if we don't match. It's all most a can't lose for Felton.

[spectre]

Hard to say...last year Blazer fans were saying how their owner just loved Frye during his draft and was ecstatic to get him in trade. Also if they acquire Felton they'd be loaded at the PG spot (and they don't need a 2).

Felton
Blake
Fernandez
Rodriguez

I figured they'd give up Blake before Przybilla.

[BRNC]

I want Blake/Przybilla for Felton/Nazr. IMO we have too many big projects already...and Frye has just disappointed for too long.

I'd gladly throw NOLA's 2nd owed to us in that too.

Spectre I've got a post somewhere on this thread (since a couple seemed to be merged now) where I've really started looking at "bigs" stat wise (I can't help it I'm a stat junkie) and if they'd help, hurt, or just be indifferent...and again this is not anything but from a stat view I'm taking...

Frye would fall into the no help category...might hurt a little...Przybilla falls into the help category...but I'm not convinced that Pritchard will take Nazr (no matter how much he might lust for Ray)...Przybilla would be the key for us but Nazr contract will be a real stinking point for Pritchard...I just wish I had more faith in the FO..I want to have it..I'd like to have it...but blind faith will get you killed with our FO...

The one thing the stats on Przybilla point to strongly is the guy has to play close to the basket to be effective...he and EO50 (it could be argued with stats easily) appear as a duplication...but IMO EO50 can be "coached up" to play effectively as a PF...again just my opinion so I think it would work...

[spectre]

Agreed with all that BRNC. Pritchard would probably ask for Crash for Blake/Przybilla, and knowing our "lollipop gang" we'd probably do it.

[dav7z]

Hard to say...last year Blazer fans were saying how their owner just loved Frye during his draft and was ecstatic to get him in trade. Also if they acquire Felton they'd be loaded at the PG spot (and they don't need a 2).

Felton
Blake
Fernandez
Rodriguez

I figured they'd give up Blake before Przybilla.

That works all so on a trade checker. But i can't see us taking on another a extra contract unless they added a first to the deal.
I think it would be Pryzbilla , We have no need of any more wings . I think any contract with them would have to include Pryzbilla who i see as expendable for them now with Oldon

The real trade is thair needs and ours
Basicly its Felton for Pryzbilla with fillers.

[BRNC]

I would argue (stat wise) that Jeff Foster (Indiana) would be a better fit (and bridge to Hollins and AA for the future) at this point...especially if we are going to continue to get big games offensively from EO50...Foster is also less foul and injury prone (to this point in time) and a better FT shooter than Przybilla...I don't know if a three team (us, Portland, and Indiana) is possible because have heard not a word on what Indiana might have an interest in from anyone...

[MilZo]

I don't really see Portland as a trade partner unless it's a 3 way deal. Przybilla is playing great this season but we need a big that can shoot to play next to Okafor. We can't have a Diaw/Okafor/Przybilla frontcourt, it's not very balanced. The defense would be amazing but we would struggle so much offensively.

I haven't looked around the league but obvious names that would be a good fit and could realistically be traded are Okur, Troy Murphy, Brad Miller. I don't like those last two, and Murphy has a bad contract, but if we can dump Nazr in the right trade (maybe getting back Brandon Rush and/or a pick) it wouldn't be that bad.

[BRNC]

I was looking at contracts in the 6 million range...both Murphy and Okur could work (and have a better stat match than Miller) but Miller could also work...with all three you give up some defensive to varying degrees with each...

[SWedd523]

I don't really like Murphy. He pissed me off when he tried to talk shit to LeBron after some other scrub clotheslined him.

Okur would be my favorite out of that trio. He can really stretch the defense and would be a pretty solid compliment to Mr. Okafor

Okur, Okafor.. Okra.. Okrafor... Okrafor me?:g:

[BRNC]

I don't really like Murphy. He pissed me off when he tried to talk shit to LeBron after some other scrub clotheslined him.

Okur would be my favorite out of that trio. He can really stretch the defense and would be a pretty solid compliment to Mr. Okafor

Okur, Okafor.. Okra.. Okrafor... Okrafor me?:g:

I like Okur offensively but of the three he is the bigger defensive liability...and I don't know how that would go with LB..(caveat: the posting I have on the NBA thread about Miller indicates he is playing with a great deal of indifference on defense this year)...as an overview for what we might have to give I'm not real sure if any of them are worth it...that's why I was looking more at "bridge" type centers as Ryan and AA are brought along...

[x2pacalypse]

trade everybody but diaw/wallace/ajinca/augustin IMO

[ALuhrs704]

trade everybody but diaw/wallace/ajinca/augustin IMO


Well add okafor to that mix. even tho his offense is still raw, he has the ability to score 20+ with the right mix...... plus there isnt any way he is being traded after locking him up for 6 years. plus he is my hero....lol

[Alex]

Okafor will never average 20 ppg no matter who's around him ALuhrs, you're being dilusional.

I think we need to bring in someone like Jamison. We need a player that can create his own shot. If we're gonna trade away anybody we better bring in a scorer in return or this is gonna go down as one of the worst seasons ever for the 'Cats.

[dav7z]

Okafor will never average 20 ppg no matter who's around him ALuhrs, you're being dilusional.

I think we need to bring in someone like Jamison. We need a player that can create his own shot. If we're gonna trade away anybody we better bring in a scorer in return or this is gonna go down as one of the worst seasons ever for the 'Cats.

He may never average 20ppg but with a center who has any out side shot he could average 16 easy. In his rookie season with the buterfly he averaged over 14ppg. Just think what he could do now if he was feacherd more. Diaw should up Meks point production if Mek just shoots more.


Portland was the team wanting Felton according to the start of this thread . And offering to take on Nazzs contract . So i don't think the other p/fs and Centers would be in consideration.
So that puts us back to Pryzbilla and Frye for Felton and Nazz
We do this to pick up a decent center and a decent p/f and to unload Nazzs contract. Portland is the only team ive heard thet would take on Nazzs contract and us get decent return.

[BobcatsAllDay]

He may never average 20ppg but with a center who has any out side shot he could average 16 easy. In his rookie season with the buterfly he averaged over 14ppg. Just think what he could do now if he was feacherd more. Diaw should up Meks point production if Mek just shoots more.


Portland was the team wanting Felton according to the start of this thread . And offering to take on Nazzs contract . So i don't think the other p/fs and Centers would be in consideration.
So that puts us back to Pryzbilla and Frye for Felton and Nazz
We do this to pick up a decent center and a decent p/f and to unload Nazzs contract. Portland is the only team ive heard thet would take on Nazzs contract and us get decent return.

The rumor is, if Portland wants Felton they MUST accept Naz's contract too...in other words that trade is dead.

[MilZo]

I dunno, it seems that this trade would leave us awfully thin in the backcourt and would ensure that Hollins and Ajinca never see a minute again...

[ALuhrs704]

I'm not saying that okafor will avg 20 ppg for a whole season, im just he can put up 20 pts. which he has done numerous times over his career.......

but anyways, i dont think portland would take nazi's contract either, unless it gets down to the deadline and they are reallly desperate....
Felton is valuable, and i think we can get rid of nazi's deal b4 the deadline

[JamieMcNeill]

who would love it it if this happened

Pryzbilla can rebound and defend
Outlaw is a yound SF to score off the bench
and Rudy- well hes young but because he played in spain hes not even really a rookie and he can downright SCORE

If someone would rather have frye thats cool too but i really like the scoring ability of the second two and Pryz's defensive skills

Only reason i like frye is he scores better and Pryz tends to play alot like MEK.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~2015~682&teams=22~22~30~30&te=3204:30-3201&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E568%7E2015%7E682&teams=22%7E22%7E30%7E30&te=3204:30-3201&cash=)

oh yea and i love this part about rudy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47VLce11WDM&feature=related

[BRNC]

Article indicates Bell and Diaw are just passing through and will be traded to the Knicks before the deadline...I am considering the source (NY media)...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/12/15/2008-12-15_mike_dantoni_burned_in_return_as_shaq_su-2.html

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/ny-spknotes165967080dec16,0,3953012.story

[spectre]

Isn't Newsday part of the group that owns the Knicks?

Methinks they're schilling for their owners...but hell yeah, let's trade Diaw/Bell/May for Curry/Rose!!! :p

They have to think we're all stupid.

[BRNC]

Isn't Newsday part of the group that owns the Knicks?

Methinks they're schilling for their owners...but hell yeah, let's trade Diaw/Bell/May for Curry/Rose!!! :p

They have to think we're all stupid.

At this point I'm not sure what to believe anymore...but if we end up with Curry I really will be depressed....

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

At this point I'm not sure what to believe anymore...but if we end up with Curry I really will be depressed....

yeah i can see that really throwing you overboard..first you get rid of jrich and then you bring in someone that can actually eat more at a cici's than may.

[coordinator0]

Article indicates Bell and Diaw are just passing through and will be traded to the Knicks before the deadline...I am considering the source (NY media)...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/12/15/2008-12-15_mike_dantoni_burned_in_return_as_shaq_su-2.html

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/ny-spknotes165967080dec16,0,3953012.story

We would have to do it on 2 separate deals, we can only trade Diaw and Bell by themselves for another player(s). I like Diaw, especially if he starts to shoot a higher %.

[spectre]

We would have to do it on 2 separate deals, we can only trade Diaw and Bell by themselves for another player(s). I like Diaw, especially if he starts to shoot a higher %.

Nah, the article is pointing out that we made the Suns' deal in time to beat the trade deadline (2 months), and that's got them thinking it's all part of some grand master plan to reunite the former Suns players with D'Antoni.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

yep, why on earth would we bring in curry? he's injury prone and fat

he's the same as sean may

[BRNC]

yep, why on earth would we bring in curry? he's injury prone and fat

he's the same as sean may

Thing is (and please don't attack me it is just an opinion) I keep trying to convince myself there is a plan (rather than random chaos) but I'm really going to have a hard time doing it if this NY thing happens...I think at this point I'd rather believe (and hope) it is just the NY press putting 3+3 and getting 36...yes...hard to get 36 from 3+3 but it is the NY press...

[spectre]

Attack hell...I'll be the one sitting beside you saying WTF.

[BRNC]

Attack hell...I'll be the one sitting beside you saying WTF.

Thanks spectre..but I've been feeling (a lot) like the proverbial "messenger" lately...I think it is difficult for must of us to read a post that we don't agree with and understand that this is (or in my case) not what I hope will happen but what I fear is happening...I hope everything that LB (and FO) is doing will work...

[DirtyU11]

how about this trade

crash, morrison, may, nazr

for

vince carter, sean williams, and stromlie swift

gets us a scoring 2, move diaw to 3, okafor to 4, williams at 5. we get rid of nazr's contract but pick up carter's monster one. at least he is putting up 22 a game. i dont like taking his on, its a little too long, but swift's expire and we get 6 mil off the books at the end of the season while putting size in our front court and a real scoring threat in the backcourt. thoughts?

[Proudiddy]

Personally, I think the NY rumors are GARBAGE and retarded. Why, if NY has been in discussions with us and said, "well, if you want Lee and ???, get us Diaw and Bell," why would we not just do a three team deal the night we made the trade. It doesn't make sense. What I think it is... 1) Most mainstream media can't believe we were dumb enough to make this move by itself and leave our roster as is and 2)the D'Antoni/Diaw/Bell connection. Other than that, there is no logic behind it. If there was already a deal in place, why would we wait two months to make a trade? Unless Kerr was unwilling to deal with D'Antoni because of their personal beef, but I don't see that being the issue. I think it's a crock. But, I do think there is another deal going to happen for us, I just don't see it being this one.

[coordinator0]

how about this trade

crash, morrison, may, nazr

for

vince carter, sean williams, and stromlie swift

gets us a scoring 2, move diaw to 3, okafor to 4, williams at 5. we get rid of nazr's contract but pick up carter's monster one. at least he is putting up 22 a game. i dont like taking his on, its a little too long, but swift's expire and we get 6 mil off the books at the end of the season while putting size in our front court and a real scoring threat in the backcourt. thoughts?

Sean Williams is nowhere near a 5, he's an athletic 4 that brings good defense off the bench. I also wouldn't want Carter, he seems like he's lost it now that his knees are useless.

[SWedd523]

DirtyU11: NO! Have you seen Vince Carter's contract? He's past 30 so he's bound to decline, and he's basically nothing more than a jump/three point shooter anyway. He's not worth the price. Swift is a scrub as far as I'm concerned so it's up to Williams. I like him, but he's no offense.




Prouditty: Maybe the money didn't work out so well? Maybe what they were offered wasn't to their liking? There could be a lot of factors that didn't have it go through. There is no connection between Bell and D'Antoni. Bell actually has the old connection with LB who coached him in Philly. Diaw on the other hand... he may be gone to NY if we get something good in return, but I don't really see it happening

[DirtyU11]

how bout a trade that brings us gordon and TT from chicago. they both played very nice last night and gordon really has that go to scorer mentality that we desperatly need and i think he would be even better playing with emeka who he played with in college and understands how emeka's game works. TT would give us a spark off the bench and he is reportedly on the trading block.

[docend24]

I think he is on a choping/trading block for a reason.

[DirtyU11]

well with they way he played last night i think 22 pts and 9 reb would help us out a little bit

[spectre]

Gordon's on a qualifying offer...which makes trading for him almost impossible.

If you really want Gordon I'd suggest trading Crash for an expiring and then outbidding everyone else for his services this summer.

[MilZo]

Gordon's on a qualifying offer...which makes trading for him almost impossible.

If you really want Gordon I'd suggest trading Crash for an expiring and then outbidding everyone else for his services this summer.

Actually I was listening to a Bulls podcats the other day and he was saying that the Bulls' front office was very open to trading Gordon and that he would also be ok with it. Getting paid seems like his number one priority, so he would be willing to come here if we took care of him. Also his financial expectations are probably more realistic after having been rejected by the Bulls.

It would be pretty sick to get him, he's really quite good. A DJ/Gordon backcourt would bring deadly 3 point shooting.

I don't know how a trade could be worked out, but if it can't, he will be unrestricted at the end of the season. Will we have cap space?

[DirtyU11]

we can actually trade for him starting Jan 1st. a trade. a trade of felton, wallace, nazr works for gordon, hinrich, and tyrus thomas. we can play thomas at 4 diaw at 3 mek 5 gordon 2 Dj 1. and we have a vet in hinrich to back up Dj. he is hurt now but i think he is close to coming back

[BobCatsFanInTx]

If AmMo or May had any trade value they would have long been gone but since the only real assets we have are Crash and Felton that will most likely by where the FO will look to make moves.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

In a perfect world something like this could happen
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2750~2754~2015~3195~3206~ 2794~2753~568~3016&teams=30~29~30~30~22~30~22~29~29~22&te=&cash=

but this would be even heavenly

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2750~2754~2015~3195~3206~ 3005~2794~2753~568~3016&teams=30~29~30~29~22~30~30~22~29~29~22&te=&cash=The only way any of that happens is if God is a fan of the Bobcats. It would be heavenly. I agree the second scenario is really good. Whoever said dreams come true was lying cause these dream scenarios are about a likely to come true as me getting in the sack with my favorite porn star. lol.

[spectre]

One, wouldn't he lose Bird status if he's traded?

Two, wouldn't he be BYC in a trade?

Three, doesn't he have to approve of the trade?

They looked for a S&T all summer and there weren't any takers for the money he was looking for. I think in the end he'd have taken the 55 million (?) but by then the Bulls had taken it off the table.

BTW, Hinrich's contract SUCKS. Imagine having Felton signed for 9-10 per year for the next 4 or so.

[tondi]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/421713.html

Check this out from Bonnell.

[MilZo]

One, wouldn't he lose Bird status if he's traded?
I think so, yeah. Not completely sure.


Two, wouldn't he be BYC in a trade?
He's on a qualifying offer so I don't think so.


Three, doesn't he have to approve of the trade?
Yes he does, but he wants out of Chicago where he feels he's been disrespected. At the same time, he had a glimpse of his market value when they where looking at sign & trade scenarios this summer so we should be a tempting destination if we have some cap space this summer (do we?) and a clear role as one of the main offensive weapons (we do).


They looked for a S&T all summer and there weren't any takers for the money he was looking for. I think in the end he'd have taken the 55 million (?) but by then the Bulls had taken it off the table.
Yes, that's what I read/heard.

[kickazzz2000]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/421713.html

Check this out from Bonnell.

broken link

[tondi]

broken link

Well it worked when I posted it. I linked to the article just a few minutes after it was posted to the Observer website. Now it is gone which is strange. Basically it said the Warriors wanted Felton and would give us Randolph or Wright and filler to make it work.

[Alex]

Well it worked when I posted it. I linked to the article just a few minutes after it was posted to the Observer website. Now it is gone which is strange. Basically it said the Warriors wanted Felton and would give us Randolph or Wright and filler to make it work.

That's an interesting scenario but ONLY IF we're talking about Wright. I think he could actually develop well under LB and with Diaw as a teammate.

How about this?

Outgoing: Felton
Incoming: Wright, Belinelli

or this?

Outgoing: Felton
Incoming: Wright, Morrow

both work on the trade machine

BTW going to Golden State is the best thing that could happen to Felton's career.

[spectre]

Warriors want Bobcats' Felton
Source: Charlotte has talked to Golden State about dealing guard for Randolph or Wright.
By Rick Bonnell
rbonnell@charlotteobserver.com (rbonnell@charlotteobserver.com)
Posted: Thursday, Dec. 18, 2008

Could Raymond Felton end up a Golden State Warrior, in a trade that might acquire Anthony Randolph or Brandan Wright?

The Warriors and Bobcats have had discussions about Felton, an NBA source told the Observer, and the Warriors appear open to giving up either Randolph or Wright to make a deal work.

Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins would neither confirm, nor deny, talks with the Warriors involving Felton. Higgins came to the Bobcats two years ago from a similar role with the Warriors.

There's considerable incentive for both teams to consider such a trade:

The Bobcats face the possibility of losing Felton without compensation after this season, when he becomes a restricted free agent. They chose not to sign him to a contract extension last summer, after drafting another point guard, D.J. Augustin, with the ninth overall pick.

Augustin has blossomed of late, scoring 29 points and totaling seven assists in an overtime victory Tuesday against the Chicago Bulls. Augustin outplayed Bulls point guard Derrick Rose, the No.1 overall pick.

That could leave the Bobcats with a dilemma in July, should another NBA team offer Felton a lucrative offer sheet.

At that point, the Bobcats would either match that contract and possibly overpay a player who could end up a reserve or potentially lose a player chosen fifth overall in 2005, without compensation.

Meanwhile, the Warriors have an abundance of forwards and a need for Felton's toughness and playmaking. The Warriors lost Baron Davis to the Los Angeles Clippers in free agency, and are still searching for help at the point.

Felton might not be a pure point guard, but he would free up Monta Ellis (once Ellis recovers from an offseason scooter accident), to be a scorer at shooting guard.

Randolph, a multi-skilled but spindly forward out of Louisiana State, auditioned well enough that he was at least in the discussion when the Bobcats made the ninth selection.

Wright was the player the Bobcats chose on the Warriors' behalf, after working out a deal to acquire shooting guard Jason Richardson on draft day 2007

Felton makes enough this season ($4.15million) that the Bobcats could acquire Randolph and Wright, and the salaries would match within NBA rules.

But since Randolph and Wright are similar, it would make sense for the Bobcats to take one, plus something else that would offer them salary-cap relief.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=863089 (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=863089)

The RGM GSW board had a copy.

[Alex]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=863089 (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=863089)

The RGM GSW board had a copy.


I'm afraid the deal makes too much sense for us to do.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

If we got Wright and Morrow for Felton, I would orgasm at that very moment.

Who would we drop though?

[spectre]

Heh, I like dealing with GSW as they seem to be the only team that doesn't fleece us!

It'd obviously weaken us at PG and at SG, esp. with Bell starting off struggling. I imagine they want to throw in Marcus Williams because they're on the verge of eating his salary in order to make room for Ellis' return.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~3039~3242&teams=9~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E3039%7E3242&teams=9%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

As Wario says tho...who would we cut?

Edit:

I can't get Randolph to work with any of Williams, Morrow or Belinelli. Unless it's bigger than just Felton it'd be very difficult to be getting Randolph back.

No way we'd get both Randolph & Wright for Felton. If Jordan was to pull that off I'd have to change my avatar.

[krazyrumpshaker]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/421713.html

Felton to GS for Wright or Randolph. I dont know how i would feel about getting either of these players. Seems like we have enough guys of that size and length (Hollins, Ajinca). So with Diaw at PF, where would all of these big guys get any PT. Oakafor, Diaw, Hollins, Ajinca, Howard and then one of those guys. Thats too many bigs isnt it?

[ALuhrs704]

If we got Wright and Morrow for felton, I would be very happy. It would be a great trade both ways, and it would give us more size and athleticism as well as a shooter and potentiall consistent scorer, with both these guys being young too. I bet this deal happens within the next week if it goes down, its surprising to see Bonnell actually had a scoop on something for once. This can make the GS game real interesting saturday.

[countryboi]

they are talking about in the "who will be traded next thread"....anyway if we can get wright and morrow....i would be happy with that cause we are going to let felton walk after this anyway.

[ALong13]

Not sure if I like this or not...It allows DJ to start, but then again it gives us ANOTHER project big, I'd like someone who is a proven...but IMO we need a SG now...If I had to choose between the two I really don't know...Brandon Wright, despite adding another tarheel, has put up solid points when getting time...When getting 20 minutes in a game this season Wright has went for: 18, 6, 10, 13, 8, 15, 13, 15...

Not sure 100% about this trade, but what do you guys think?

EDIT: Or just merge it haha

[JamieMcNeill]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/421713.html

Felton to GS for Wright or Randolph. I dont know how i would feel about getting either of these players. Seems like we have enough guys of that size and length (Hollins, Ajinca). So with Diaw at PF, where would all of these big guys get any PT. Oakafor, Diaw, Hollins, Ajinca, Howard and then one of those guys. Thats too many bigs isnt it?

FO has said they dont want to trad Felts unless the other team will take Nazr
btw this also says its not just randolph or wright but another player also.

[JamieMcNeill]

i dont know much about morrow but i know bellinelli has been lights out playing for maggette
so how about this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~3190~3242&teams=9~30~30&te=&cash=

[countryboi]

FO has said they dont want to trad Felts unless the other team will take Nazr
btw this also says its not just randolph or wright but another player also.

they may work...cause gw needs bigs anyway...i just dont think they nazr slow ass...hell i would even take wright and nelson

[Mustachio]

Heh, I like dealing with GSW as they seem to be the only team that doesn't fleece us!

It'd obviously weaken us at PG and at SG, esp. with Bell starting off struggling. I imagine they want to throw in Marcus Williams because they're on the verge of eating his salary in order to make room for Ellis' return.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~3039~3242&teams=9~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E3039%7E3242&teams=9%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

As Wario says tho...who would we cut?

Edit:

I can't get Randolph to work with any of Williams, Morrow or Belinelli. Unless it's bigger than just Felton it'd be very difficult to be getting Randolph back.

No way we'd get both Randolph & Wright for Felton. If Jordan was to pull that off I'd have to change my avatar.


I went and played with the trade machine...

Raymond Felton
Sean May

for

Brandon Wright
Anthony Randolph
Marco Belinelli

works for the trade checker and works for me!!

[110oldeast]

Interesting. As you mentioned, it's a tough call with the set of bigs we have right now. I liked Wright and Randolph's potential from the jump. I suppose it could make us 2 deep in the future at the frontcourt positions. It's a matter of if we are stepping back and building like we should have been doing the past 2 years or still trying to go for it right now. I think a set of Okafor, Diaw, Hollins, Ajinca, and Wright/Randolph could be a nice set to keep through the next couple of years if people are willing to see them grow. That said, as I list these big guys, I see why we are also trying to package Nazr's contract with anyone trying to get Felton (we should).

It makes me think of the cap flexibility and lineup we could have had without trading a single pick the past few years. Picking Granger instead of May and Roy instead of Morrison could have allowed us to keep Wright from the beginning as we wouldn't have had to sign J-Rich. It also could have lowered Wallace's price giving us even more cap space and flexibility.

We would be looking at young depth building across the board with cap space.

Felton/Augustin (if we so chose)
Roy/Carroll
Granger or Wallace
Wright/Ajinca (if we so chose)
Okafor/Hollins

[spectre]

i dont know much about morrow but i know bellinelli has been lights out playing for maggette
so how about this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~3190~3242&teams=9~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E3190%7E3242&teams=9%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

Pretty sure he requested a trade too. I'd much prefer him to Williams even tho we need another PG. Williams is all but out of the league.

[spectre]

I went and played with the trade machine...

Raymond Felton
Sean May

for

Brandon Wright
Anthony Randolph
Marco Belinelli

works for the trade checker and works for me!!

LOL, that's the type of robbery teams pull on us...not the other way around!

[JamieMcNeill]

sorry mustachio. no way gs does that. but i would love it if they did

but yea bellinelli, randolph and wright have all demanded trades so that would be the only way we could get them all is if gs was fed up with there demands but idk its not gonna happen.

but i would be happy with belinelli and wright.
ive watched bellinelli the last few games and he can shoot
hes only playing 14 mins a game but is shooting 50% from the field and 41 from 3.
also 15 points per game in the last 5 where hes played between 20 and 30 mins per.

[Chef]

if they were fed up and considering it, we would have to offer more than may. perhaps diaw if we could. nellie will want a vet, diaw would love to go back to run and gun. that would set us up with a very nice young core. we could play aj at c and pf. randolph and wright at pf and trade the lesser of the two when they develop.

[JamieMcNeill]

if they were fed up and considering it, we would have to offer more than may. perhaps diaw if we could. nellie will want a vet, diaw would love to go back to run and gun. that would set us up with a very nice young core. we could play aj at c and pf. randolph and wright at pf and trade the lesser of the two when they develop.

diaw makes 9 mil and can only be traded by himself.
that makes it very difficult and the whole point is they want felton

[spectre]

I know LB likes Crawford, so maybe they'd look at a Crash for Crawford swap and then make up the difference in a trade like Mustachio's?

[JamieMcNeill]

crawford would be good i guess

[Felton for Prez]

^^^^ Right, because we would've ended up in the exact same draft spots if we took different guys. I really dislike that multi-yr draft re-do. You change something 3 yrs ago and everything else changes too.

[Felton for Prez]

Oh how Branden Wright has fallen. It was just 2yrs ago that he was traded for JRich. Now he could be traded with another teammate for Felton.

The more I think about this, GS isn't giving either of those guys enough time.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

if we traded felton, we would be stacked at the PF, not sure how this would help out. it could potentially slow down ajincas development and we would now have to rely on Raja/Carroll to score at the SG

[spectre]

crawford would be good i guess

I've never really been a fan, but I do remember LB liking him. He'd definitely provide some offense from the 2 spot where we're a little weak now.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

isn't jamal crawford restricted ? he can't be traded after a certain amount of time passes right

[Jonathanmartin7]

Interesting. As you mentioned, it's a tough call with the set of bigs we have right now. I liked Wright and Randolph's potential from the jump. I suppose it could make us 2 deep in the future at the frontcourt positions. It's a matter of if we are stepping back and building like we should have been doing the past 2 years or still trying to go for it right now. I think a set of Okafor, Diaw, Hollins, Ajinca, and Wright/Randolph could be a nice set to keep through the next couple of years if people are willing to see them grow. That said, as I list these big guys, I see why we are also trying to package Nazr's contract with anyone trying to get Felton (we should).

It makes me think of the cap flexibility and lineup we could have had without trading a single pick the past few years. Picking Granger instead of May and Roy instead of Morrison could have allowed us to keep Wright from the beginning as we wouldn't have had to sign J-Rich. It also could have lowered Wallace's price giving us even more cap space and flexibility.

We would be looking at young depth building across the board with cap space.

Felton/Augustin (if we so chose)
Roy/Carroll
Granger or Wallace
Wright/Ajinca (if we so chose)
Okafor/Hollins


Or as my pop always said
"If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass every time he jumped"

[spectre]

isn't jamal crawford restricted ? he can't be traded after a certain amount of time passes right

Unless it's by himself. I threw out a wild thought earlier that maybe we do a Crawford for Crash swap (big advantage to them) in one deal and then follow it up with Felton/May for Belinelli/Wright/Randolph (advantage to us).

Making it a total deal of:

Crash/Felton/May

for

Crawford/Wright/Randolph/Beli

Thing is we don't get rid of either Nazr's or Hammer's contract. We'd reduce Crash's salary by a year (and about 1 million per) and add in 3 guys on rookie deals for 2 expirings (basically).

[JamieMcNeill]

Unless it's by himself. I threw out a wild thought earlier that maybe we do a Crawford for Crash swap (big advantage to them) in one deal and then follow it up with Felton/May for Belinelli/Wright/Randolph (advantage to us).

Making it a total deal of:

Crash/Felton/May

for

Crawford/Wright/Randolph/Beli

Thing is we don't get rid of either Nazr's or Hammer's contract. We'd reduce Crash's salary by a year (and about 1 million per) and add in 3 guys on rookie deals for 2 expirings (basically).

i like it.
do it

[catsfan]

Golden State would have to add another player,or they'ed be over the cap

so in the trade machine i added Belinelli and the trade went through

and they are loaded with sg's and sf's and pg's that play the 2

Ellis
Crawford
Margette
Watson
Randolph
marrow
azubukie

[Dead_Real]

I'm still extremely high on Anthony Randolph even though it would suck losing the best PG debth we have ever had I wouldn't mind them pulling the trigger on a deal that would send him here. I like Wright as well although projects still IMO they would both help us more than Twiggy & Lex(who should be in the D league btw)

Plus like Spectre said it's not a rape deal as I like to call it

[JamieMcNeill]

Golden State would have to add another player,or they'ed be over the cap

so in the trade machine i added Belinelli and the trade went through

and they are loaded with sg's and sf's and pg's that play the 2

Ellis
Crawford
Margette
Watson
Randolph
marrow
azubukie

this has already been done. check the next to be traded thread.

[kickazzz2000]

Unless it's by himself. I threw out a wild thought earlier that maybe we do a Crawford for Crash swap (big advantage to them) in one deal and then follow it up with Felton/May for Belinelli/Wright/Randolph (advantage to us).

Making it a total deal of:

Crash/Felton/May

for

Crawford/Wright/Randolph/Beli

Thing is we don't get rid of either Nazr's or Hammer's contract. We'd reduce Crash's salary by a year (and about 1 million per) and add in 3 guys on rookie deals for 2 expirings (basically).


I'd do that deal 10 minutes ago. 20 minutes ago if somehow could get rid of Nazr too...

[BRNC]

I'd feel better if a third team gets involved...if a main goal is to move a "bad" contract this does not appear to help...also appears to start talent duplication and brings more young players (while LB prefers vets)....I think to make it more than just "talent transfers" a third team is really needed...

[GoBobs]

I think our best prospect is to keep the guys we have for now. Naz has a bad contract for sure but it isn't that terrible. We could probably find some team willing to take him because they need a big (Mami) or thier big guy gets injured and they need a fill in later in the season. If anything happens to Oak he will get minutes and his stats always look better with minutes. Carroll I think will benifit from the team being better at passing due to the trade of a bad passer for two good passers. When you are mainly a spot up shooter you need guys to get you the ball. Give it some time but I am not sold on the idea of getting rid of carroll

[bellringer21]

I doubt the Warriors move Crawford until Ellis comes back....but I do like Crawford for Felton (with extra parts). Even though Crawford has a sizeable contract, he can be the 2 with DJ at the 1 and we have someone who can nail down shots when DJ passes them the ball.

This may happen, but I think it will take at least another month or so. (I personally would like it to happen now-I want DJ more minutes as soon as possible)

[coordinator0]

Felton for Brandan Wright and Marco Bellinelli works, and personally I'd do that. Unless we were getting Crawford back in a trade, we would almost have to get a third party involved if Nazr were to be traded.

[tamburello]

Felton trade thread is merged with this thread. Please continue discussing about it here.

[uncballer1288]

How about Felton/Nazr for Maggette/Wright? I read recently from hoopshype.com that the Warriors are already shopping Maggette. If they would accept that deal, we should do it in a heartbeat. That would give us:

PG - DJ/Singletary/Brown
SG - Maggette/Raja/Carroll
SF- Wallace/Morrison
PF - Diaw/Wright/Juwan/May
C - Okafor/Ajinca/Hollins

Or get Jamal Crawford instead of Maggette because he can provide help at the point too like Felton does now when he plays with DJ. Either way, I think that we need a SG out of this possible deal because we need a go-to scorer in the closing minutes, because i don't believe Raja Bell can lead us to the playoffs starting at SG.

[spectre]

My dog has more BBIQ than Maggette. Definitely not a LB type of guy.

[swetooth9]

How about Felton/Nazr for Maggette/Wright? I read recently from hoopshype.com that the Warriors are already shopping Maggette. If they would accept that deal, we should do it in a heartbeat. That would give us:

PG - DJ/Singletary/Brown
SG - Maggette/Raja/Carroll
SF- Wallace/Morrison
PF - Diaw/Wright/Juwan/May
C - Okafor/Ajinca/Hollins

Or get Jamal Crawford instead of Maggette because he can provide help at the point too like Felton does now when he plays with DJ. Either way, I think that we need a SG out of this possible deal because we need a go-to scorer in the closing minutes, because i don't believe Raja Bell can lead us to the playoffs starting at SG.

lol, if we can get maggette or jamal crawford for felton and nazr, then GS is stupid as hell. jamal crawford would be amazing on this team. a go-to scorer, a sick shooter, and a guy who gets lots of assists (so i'm assuming he's a good passer). i'd say jamal crawford is better than j-rich overall, so that would be amazing to get him. maggette seems too much like gerald wallace tho (slashers), so i don't think it would work for us

[Chef]

what about these two deals?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3190~3455~3242~2992~2753&teams=30~30~30~9~9&te=&cash=

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=165~2167&teams=30~9&te=&cash=

[coordinator0]

what about these two deals?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3190~3455~3242~2992~2753&teams=30~30~30~9~9&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3190%7E3455%7E3242%7E2992%7E27 53&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=165~2167&teams=30~9&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=165%7E2167&teams=30%7E9&te=&cash=)

Definitely not the second deal, we would be in the same situation as before we traded J-Rich. The first one is good though.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Felton and Nazr for Morrow, Wright, and 2nd round pick.

That would be the best thing ever. Could it happen?

[DirtyU11]

that trade is no where near matching salary wise, but that would be a sweet deal if it would work. how bout a trade of felton, nazr, morrison for wright, maggette, and williams. i dont really like wiliams but he is a throw in and GS really wants to get rid of him and they already want to get rid of maggette who avg 19 pts and 5 reb could really help us at the 2 spot.

[ohara831]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/

I could deal with Felton and what is talked about. But Crash for Turriaf? What the **** can our front office be smoking to think of that one? That just has to be a Bonnell work of fiction.

[ALong13]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/

I could deal with Felton and what is talked about. But Crash for Turriaf? What the **** can our front office be smoking to think of that one? That just has to be a Bonnell work of fiction.

It was Bonnell's thinking, nothing reporting of the Bobcats considering it...It would be a horrific move, I honestly think we need to trade Felton or Wallace, but not both...

[dnbman]

Felton for Wright and Randolph would be pretty hard to turn down, mainly because you would think one of them would have to work out.

If not both, I'm wondering what the other trade piece is for Felton.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/421713.html

[coordinator0]

Maybe it's Bellinelli, he might be on the outs since Morrow has showed up and played well.

[dnbman]

Maybe it's Bellinelli, he might be on the outs since Morrow has showed up and played well.

Could be. But I'll bet Brown shudders a bit thinking about Bellinelli, Carroll, and Morrison on the same team.

Maybe if we smashed those guys together hard enough, they'd morph into Dirk.

[BRNC]

Source says no way GS trades Wright or Randolph for Felton...


http://ken-berger.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/12379629

[Ghost Kat]

I'd love to get Randolph, I was hoping we could get him with the 20th pick but the Warriors snatched him up. The only bad part to be is the idea of having a Rookie PG starting and a Rookie PG as his back up and have Shannon Brown as there back up

[bellringer21]

lol, if we can get maggette or jamal crawford for felton and nazr, then GS is stupid as hell. jamal crawford would be amazing on this team. a go-to scorer, a sick shooter, and a guy who gets lots of assists (so i'm assuming he's a good passer). i'd say jamal crawford is better than j-rich overall, so that would be amazing to get him. maggette seems too much like gerald wallace tho (slashers), so i don't think it would work for us

I would like Crawford here, but lets be real....Crawford is not better than J-Rich.

[x2pacalypse]

this trade was just noted on sportscenter right now or w/e so there must be more than 1 source confirming the talks

i have a feeling by the end of today we're gonna be announcing felton/nazr for wright

[Chef]

i would much rather have randolf if we can choose, and it looks like we can. if it was felt/nazr who are the other pieces? that is a lot of $ to send over. randolf, banielli, ???

[bellringer21]

this trade was just noted on sportscenter right now or w/e so there must be more than 1 source confirming the talks

i have a feeling by the end of today we're gonna be announcing felton/nazr for wright

I'm not seeing why the Warriors would do this deal (but then again who knows why they do many things). With Felton, they now have Felton, Crawford, Ellis, Jackson and Maggette for the PG, SG, and SF. I assume since they play small Jackson at 6'8" will be the PF, but that still leaves them with 1 too many big time players.....and I can see either one of them complaining alot about PT. If Maggette leaves, I would still think Crawford, Ellis and Felton are all too small to start together.

Then again, Don Nelson is nuts. Maybe they won't realize they are a real NBA team, not a fantasy team lol

(I would like Crawford back....and as I explained he is expendable there.)

[polarcat]

i wonder what kind of package of felton plus ?? would net us either wright or randolph and jamal crawford.

[spectre]

Because of him recently being traded Crawford can't be combined with anyone else from GSW's side. I think that's true for 2 months, but not sure. You could do a 2 part trade like I outlined earlier in the thread.

I'm still iffy on whether this is credible or not. GSW does desperately need a PG and Nellie has been playing Maggette as a PF. If they hadn't just acquired Crawford I'd put more weight to it...but I dunno.

I did find it interesting that Higgins wouldn't confirm or deny. He shot down the Minny trade rumor with Felton's name attached pretty quickly didn't he?

[BRNC]

Spectre...I posted this last night somewhere in this thread...indicates GSW would not do this trade...and you're correct about Crawford...he can be dealt on his won but not in combo for 60 days from his last trade...

http://ken-berger.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/12379629?source=rss_blogs_NBA

[spectre]

Yeah I saw that, and it's what the majority of GSW fans are hanging their hats on (those who abhor this trade). But most of what he's saying is his opinion and one "insider"...but GSW FO seems to be in a power struggle between Rowell/Nelson and Mullin.

I also remember Bonnell checking his "source" right before the draft and the Jason Richardson trade.

Notice the last paragraph:


The one caveat when it comes to the Warriors is that nobody is clear on who is making the decisions. Team president Robert Rowell has taken on more personnel authority, and coach Don Nelson has been known to engage in a trade discussion or two.Still hard to say.

[Muttley]

Playing around with the trade machine, I can't see any way that we deal Ray and Nazr without taking Maggette back, whose contract is way too long for my taste (and hopefully LB's as well).

This works:
Ray and Nazr = Randolph, Wright, Azubuike and Belinelli (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2821%7E3190%7E3455%7E3242%7E27 53%7E568&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=)

That's taking back a whole bunch of people, and the Warriors would be losing a whole lot of young talent.

Another:
Nazr and May = Crawford (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=165%7E2776%7E568&teams=30%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=)
and
Ray = Randolph and Wright (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3455%7E3242%7E2753&teams=30%7E30%7E9&te=&cash=)

That would have the benefit of allowing us to not have to cut anyone. The contracts are better than the previous one I listed, but I'd doubt if we can actually get both Randolph and Wright. Who knows, though?

[x2pacalypse]

what i think is a possibility is

felton/nazr for wright/belinelicantspellhisname

then later in the day

wallace for crawford and something else (maybe draft pick)

augustin/uh oh
crawford/bell/beli
diaw/morrisson
wright/ajinca
okafor/hollins

i think that improves our team drastically, we do lose defensive presence, and crash :( but we gain scoring, and considering we've won every game in which we've scored 100+ i think that's what we need at this point

[Weezy21]

ayy muttley i dont think the warriors would do any of those trades...that first one like u said takes too much away from them an lets be honest, giving up all that for felton and NAZI is the biggest rip off iv ever heard...an ur too part trade once again robs the warriors

i dont know what we would trade cuz iv been on trade checker too an everything seems to be in our favor an never once good for the warriors...im afraid we dont have anything good to offer them

[bellringer21]

Hoopworld just came out with an article saying Felton wont be going to Golden State...here is the link

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10979

It says all talks with the Bobcats end up in the press, which is never a good thing. You talk to the press like that, teams will back away.

[DirtyU11]

would GS accept a trade of felton, morrison, nazr for maggette, wright, wiliams? seems like they want to get rid of maggette's and williams contract. so for them it's basicly felton and scorer for wright and cap space

[kickazzz2000]

um...it also says this:

Also on HOOPSWORLD today:

The Charlotte Bobcats are reportedly close to sending point guard Jameer Nelson to the Golden State Warriors. Find out the details here!

[bellringer21]

um...it also says this:

Also on HOOPSWORLD today:

The Charlotte Bobcats are reportedly close to sending point guard Jameer Nelson to the Golden State Warriors. Find out the details here!

Thats funny....Nelson has been great recently too. Very slim chance to Magic would move him....lol

[WAM9]

Hoopworld just came out with an article saying Felton wont be going to Golden State...here is the link

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10979

It says all talks with the Bobcats end up in the press, which is never a good thing. You talk to the press like that, teams will back away.

How many of us heard that Diaw and Bell were in play before the deal was announced? They managed to keep that one from us.

[Muttley]

Thats funny....Nelson has been great recently too. Very slim chance to Magic would move him....lol
Even slimmer that the Bobcats would move Nelson!

[bellringer21]

How many of us heard that Diaw and Bell were in play before the deal was announced? They managed to keep that one from us.

It says any talks that dont work end up in the press. We did know J-Rich was on the block though.

[spectre]

We did know J-Rich was on the block though.

We did? Are you talking before he came here or right before we traded him to Phoenix?

A couple of weeks before he was traded to Charlotte Chris Mullin himself told Jason he wasn't going to be traded.

This summer a few weeks before the start of the season Bonnell came out with an article/blog saying that if anyone is "untouchable" it was Richardson.

The only rumor I heard was during the Kaman thing, and LAC acted like we called them once and they said we didn't have anything on the roster they wanted for Kaman (that's also when the allegations that we were leaking rumors started coming out). The national press started speculating then about Richardson, but I don't remember any indication that he was being put out there in trade talks.

A trade with GSW might not happen, but both these teams have done a 180 on things they said publically before...so it wouldn't surprise me if they were doing it again.

[spectre]

Hat tip to Slam at RGM:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?categoryId=2459788&brand=null&videoId=3781956&n8pe6c=2

According to Chris Broussard Nellie has told Randolph to inform his agent to look for a trade as it's not working out for him in GSW.

[Chef]

good, he is the one we should want. wright has much less upside.

[Mustachio]

Hat tip to Slam at RGM:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?categoryId=2459788&brand=null&videoId=3781956&n8pe6c=2

According to Chris Broussard Nellie has told Randolph to inform his agent to look for a trade as it's not working out for him in GSW.


I don't get this though. Mullin is the GM. Nellie is just the head coach. If Mullins wants Randolph on the team, and from the interview he clearly does, no matter what Nellie says.

I guess its just the thing that theres trouble in Golden State... (which sucks if you ask me, that franchise doesn't deserve more turmoil) is a good sign for us. The more problems the more drastic the situation gets, and the better chance we have of gaining an upperhand in any trade talk.


I personally wouldn't mind just sticking with what we have now and seeing that play out a little more.. but if we have to make another move, I would be ok with this.

[Proudiddy]

I still hope that Portland will be willing to bite the bullet on Nazr's contract and sign off on a Felton deal. At this point, as many times as Felton's name has been dangled out there, I just want us to go ahead and move him because it's not fair to us or him. I'd rather do a deal with Portland as they have a lot more valuable pieces we could add (Rodriguez, Fernandez, Blake, Outlaw, Pryzbilla, Frye). Whereas GSW only has some stick figure big men with a little upside. I am intrigued by Randolph though, so if that deal happened to go through I wouldn't mind seeing what he can do.

Didn't Randolph kill in the Summer Leagues and Pre-Season?

[spectre]

I don't get this though. Mullin is the GM. Nellie is just the head coach. If Mullins wants Randolph on the team, and from the interview he clearly does, no matter what Nellie says.

I guess its just the thing that theres trouble in Golden State... (which sucks if you ask me, that franchise doesn't deserve more turmoil) is a good sign for us. The more problems the more drastic the situation gets, and the better chance we have of gaining an upperhand in any trade talk.


I personally wouldn't mind just sticking with what we have now and seeing that play out a little more.. but if we have to make another move, I would be ok with this.

You forgot about the 3rd player in the drama...PRESIDENT Robert Rowell.

Guess which side he's on...

I'm with you on staying with the status quo, but if you're getting great value and considering Felton's RFA status you have to jump. I like Felton, but you can't ignore there's a small chance that we get put into a not so favorable situation this summer.

[DirtyU11]

the two trades for felton that i would want and i think the other teams would do are

felton for wright or randolph, williams

felton for frye, rodriguez

[jstar5]

Do you mean Fernandez?

[uncballer1288]

I think that if we do in fact trade Felton, it would have to be for a go-to scorer at the SG position. We already have a young PF loaded with potential in Ajinca, so I don't think trading for Wright/Randolph to be a backup to Diaw (who is playing great next to Okafor) would help out our team as much as a true 2 would.

[dnbman]

I think that if we do in fact trade Felton, it would have to be for a go-to scorer at the SG position. We already have a young PF loaded with potential in Ajinca, so I don't think trading for Wright/Randolph to be a backup to Diaw (who is playing great next to Okafor) would help out our team as much as a true 2 would.

Ajinca is far from a sure thing. If the Bobcats are really convinced that Felton's not in the long term plan, they'd gladly take a potential starting PF.

[x2pacalypse]

Ajinca is far from a sure thing. If the Bobcats are really convinced that Felton's not in the long term plan, they'd gladly take a potential starting PF.

i just dont understand why considering we have a young starting PF in diaw, that's why i only think we do such a trade if its wallace at the other end...i dont think anythings gonna happen till the deadline

[spectre]

i just dont understand why considering we have a young starting PF in diaw, that's why i only think we do such a trade if its wallace at the other end...i dont think anythings gonna happen till the deadline

Like I said earlier 2pac, there is a small chance we lose Felton for nothing (say a team clears enough cap to offer him 8 per? no way we match that). I wouldn't just trade him for anything, but something good like Randolph or Wright...you have to consider it just from a value standpoint.

[dnbman]

i just dont understand why considering we have a young starting PF in diaw, that's why i only think we do such a trade if its wallace at the other end...i dont think anythings gonna happen till the deadline

Well, Diaw's working for the past week, but we have no idea how Brown and company see him fitting in full time.

The one thing you can't really have too much of is quality bigs. So, if they think they may lose Felton for nothing, they'd gladly take a quality big for him.

I'd like to see us keep Felton. But, if he gets a big contract offer, the staff are going to have a hard time justifying him big dollars while everyone is so enamored with DJ.

[ohara831]

At this stage, I make no trades. I hold what we have as I think it is starting to gel nicely. I love Diaw at PF for us as he, Okafor and Crash play well toether. I think Ajinca is going to be a very solid PF/C in the future, so I am no longer worried with the PF position. I would draft the best SG in the draft, and plan to offer Ray enough $ to stay. I think he'd be best utitlized by coming off the bench to spell both DJ and Bell (or whomever is our SG) and give him 30+ minutes/game in that capacity. He can be a great spark for us off the bench and play both PG and SG.

No trades. Just draft well.

[TheBeagle]

Ajinca is far from a sure thing. If the Bobcats are really convinced that Felton's not in the long term plan, they'd gladly take a potential starting PF. If the potential starting PF we're talking about is either Wright or Randolph, Lexy is more of a sure thing than either of those two, and at worst, as much of a sure thing. That said, I'm not totally disuaded from thinking that as he develops, Lexy will likely be a 3/4 hybrid, and depending on the matchup, could easily start at the 3 on some nights, and having a 3,4,5 of Lexy, Wright or Randolph, and Mek in 3 or so years does make me salivate....

My opinion is, trading Raymond will take wins away from us this year, but if it's part of Larry's plan, and if it opens up cap room to sign someone the braintrust have their eyes on, I'll miss him dearly for his professionalism, workmanship, and desire to win, but I'd get over it.

[dnbman]

If the potential starting PF we're talking about is either Wright or Randolph, Lexy is more of a sure thing than either of those two, and at worst, as much of a sure thing.

I don't know that you can say that. Nelson doesn't like Randolph, which puts him in a bad spot in a crowded front court. However, Wright got 19-8 tonight and looks solid in games where gets over 20 minutes.


My opinion is, trading Raymond will take wins away from us this year, but if it's part of Larry's plan, and if it opens up cap room to sign someone the braintrust have their eyes on, I'll miss him dearly for his professionalism, workmanship, and desire to win, but I'd get over it.

At this point, I agree. I'll greatly miss Felton too.

[tamburello]

The Charlotte Bobcats' ongoing attempts to acquire a true big man to partner Emeka Okafor have led them to propose the return of Gerald Wallace to the Sacramento Kings, according to NBA front-office sources.
The Bobcats, sources said, want Brad Miller in return. But the Kings, I'm told, are highly unlikely to bite. They've had some interest in recent years in reacquiring Wallace -- who has blossomed into a versatile and productive swingman at both ends since he was claimed by Charlotte in the 2004 expansion draft -- but they also have a surplus of wing players at present ... too many to take on the four years and nearly $40 million left on Wallace's contract after this season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081220-21

If we're really looking for such a deal, I'd be convinced that we're trying to be in 2010 sweepstakes. But I don't know why.

[Proudiddy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081220-21

If we're really looking for such a deal, I'd be convinced that we're trying to be in 2010 sweepstakes. But I don't know why.


I just posted this on the Bobcats section of rhe Panthers board I frequent...

If this trade went through, I would stop following the Bobcats. I've supported them from day one, but I wouldn't stand for such a horrible deal. Miller is on the downside of his career. GDub is worth WAY more than Brad Miller. GDub is on the verge of stardom in the right market, while Miller is just a serviceable role player... The trade proposal better have been based on getting a couple 1st rounders in return as well.

The Kaman deal was of acceptable, as Kaman is of comparable age and talent. This deal is not... I really don't know where they are going with this.

[ALong13]

The Bobcats' ongoing attempts to acquire a true big man to partner with Emeka Okafor have led them to propose the return of Gerald Wallace to the Kings, according to NBA front office sources.

The Bobcats, sources said, want Brad Miller in return.

But the Kings, I'm told, are highly unlikely to bite. They've had some interest in recent years in reacquiring Wallace -- who has blossomed into a versatile, productive swingman at both ends since he was claimed by Charlotte in the 2004 expansion draft -- but they also have a surplus of wing players at present … too many to take on the four years and nearly $40 million left on Wallace's contract after this season

-ESPN's Weekend Dime

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Glad this isn't going down. this would be a horrible time to trade Wallace, and I think the team has improved immensly since the Diaw trade, I think we need to stick with this line-up for awhile before trying another trade...

[Muttley]

Agreed, I see no reason to do this trade.

[Ghost Kat]

Brad Miller for Gerald Wallace? thats not even cost to a equal deal

[coordinator0]

This would seriously let me down after I have come around to the last trade. In fact I love the trade for Diaw, he is much better than what I expected. I doubt Brad Miller has much left in the tank, much like Raja Bell (he's still a good defender though).

[ammofan]

Brad Miller???? for Gerald? I wouldn't even trade hammer for him!

[WAM9]

I'd trade Hammer for him...but not Wallace!

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

If'm reading this correctly LB wants a veteran to play as backup for Mek?

not necessarily a terrible move to find a veteran backup...but giving up wallace makes me worry about being shorthanded at the SF and SG positions... who would be the scorers?

we need wallace for his defense and rebounding (Diaw hasn't proven capable of this)..wallace puts a good amount of points for us....not confident in Ammo to provide that scoring

anyone know if here are any salary benefits to this?? what type of contract does miller have??

[ALuhrs704]

NO. If this happens im going to be pissed. Wallace has a future, and is a game changer.....Brad Miller hasnt done anything since he got a right hand from Shaq with the Pacers

[BIGCatBobcat]

NO. If this happens im going to be pissed. Wallace has a future, and is a game changer.....Brad Miller hasnt done anything since he got a right hand from Shaq with the Pacers

Was he on Chicago? Or did he get beat by Shaq twice?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiY1D1lAH-A

can you believe Artest was in the middle of all that?