View Full Version : Bobcats article i just read...
I have not seen this posted...hope I din't miss it but a good read...
http://www.realgm.com/src_fromtherafters/223/20081210/grading_the_deal_suns_and_bobcats_swap_puzzle_piec es/
neogenic
12-13-2008, 04:22 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=sunscatstradehollinger-081210
How about this article from ESPN saying how we just got raped and the Suns stole a tremendous player. The knocks on LB are starting to sting too.
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-13-2008, 04:27 PM
i've read both...all the articles you'll find about the trade state that the suns got the better end of the deal...the only exception being scott fowler from the observer
it's the same arguments over and over again...they just look at the stats of the players
neogenic
12-13-2008, 04:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCKQQj6cs0
I agree...the David Aldridge thing is rough on us.
The only guy who's positive about it, is clearly biased though.
Those that have no stake in either team and are analysts...they say pretty bad things about this.
To say Boris was out of shape and being a downer with attitude. Raja was complaining and declining statistically. They got rid of players they wanted to get rid of and that, they themselves wanted to leave. We didn't.
A trade of Sean May and Adam Morrison...ok...that's like Phoenix getting rid of Raja and Boris. We got rid an elite player.
SWedd523
12-13-2008, 07:24 PM
I just think it's funny how while we have Jason Richardson, the analysts all say that we don't have anybody good on our team. Yet, when we trade him away to Phoenix, he's magically an allstar talent and they raped us and we look like fools.
Face it guys, we never get any credit for ANYTHING we do. We are one of the scapegoats of the NBA, one of the little guys, one of the teams that everyone hates.
Jason Richardson had what people called a great game in his first outing, yet only scored 21 points, which is just about his average. For the price, he's not a very good deal for the price. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but we'll be fine with what we have and we didn't give up anything too amazing
Muttley
12-13-2008, 08:04 PM
I just think it's funny how while we have Jason Richardson, the analysts all say that we don't have anybody good on our team. Yet, when we trade him away to Phoenix, he's magically an allstar talent and they raped us and we look like fools.
Listening to ESPN today, it was crazy the way they were all up on hit nuts!
No way they'd do anything like that when he was here in Charlotte. They specifically avoid mentioning the Bobcats aside from saying that someone else played us.
Mustachio
12-13-2008, 11:18 PM
If you are looking for any credit or positive spin from any media outlet outside of charlotte... you wont find any.
and don't ever think ESPN will be there for you... the Bobcats don't make any money for ESPN, so they won't do anything for the Bobcats.
Hormel
12-13-2008, 11:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCKQQj6cs0
He called him "Augusta" gtfo , seriously? wtf is this shit. You want me to take someone creditable and he can't even get someone who is an amazing rookie's name right. Seriously? wow
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-14-2008, 12:26 AM
I just think it's funny how while we have Jason Richardson, the analysts all say that we don't have anybody good on our team. Yet, when we trade him away to Phoenix, he's magically an allstar talent and they raped us and we look like fools.
Face it guys, we never get any credit for ANYTHING we do. We are one of the scapegoats of the NBA, one of the little guys, one of the teams that everyone hates.
Jason Richardson had what people called a great game in his first outing, yet only scored 21 points, which is just about his average. For the price, he's not a very good deal for the price. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but we'll be fine with what we have and we didn't give up anything too amazing
that's all very true...ESPN hates on us like no other...classic ESPN nonsense, on PTI the other day, Tony Kornheiser was asked about the Bobcats picking up Juwan...his reply "Sure, if the Bobcats want to be the new sponsors for Blue Cross Blue Shield"
it's ridiculous how much we get hammered.. you have a bunch of really shitty teams on the western conference with worst records...and some teams like the raptors clearly under performing...another classic is the Pistons trade, everyone sees this as they just cleared up cap space to get Lebron...yet the trade is terrible, they just screwed up a playoff contending team...
its just a combination of LB & MJ having a bad rep with the media...as well as bob johnson..you just have to mute it out..
TheBeagle
12-14-2008, 02:58 AM
I just think it's funny how while we have Jason Richardson, the analysts all say that we don't have anybody good on our team. Yet, when we trade him away to Phoenix, he's magically an allstar talent and they raped us and we look like fools.
Face it guys, we never get any credit for ANYTHING we do. We are one of the scapegoats of the NBA, one of the little guys, one of the teams that everyone hates.
Jason Richardson had what people called a great game in his first outing, yet only scored 21 points, which is just about his average. For the price, he's not a very good deal for the price. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but we'll be fine with what we have and we didn't give up anything too amazing LOL! I noticed the exact same thing and think it's hilarious. When we got him from GSW, he was an oft-injured swingman on the downside of his career who wasn't the same high flyer that won back to back Slam Dunk championships, and that trading Wright for him was stupid.........
NOW JRich is suddenly a superstar that provides the scoring and athleticism the Suns need to make a strong playoff push, and the Bobcats trading him was stupid.
Like I've said, and will continue to say, ESPN hasn't been relevant since the early 90s, and are watchable only for the Bottomline and the handful of meaningful games the televise each year (Re: the Panthers game last Monday). They've turned into a parody of themselves, and have absolutely no merit in terms of sports reporting/analysis. That said, I heard Avery Johnson say he thought we got the better of the trade on the NBA thing they had last night for what that's worth...
I've never really cared what the talking heads say at the end of the day because they're not going to give us respect...only guys I pay any attention to (Eric Snow and Steve Smith) only talk about what the players are capable of which should be the thing...the trade is done...and I've made peace with it and we have what we have from it...
I'm simply pissed that we don't (FO) seem to ever be able to take advantage of dealing from a position of strength...We had the upper hand in this deal...Kerr has his butt on a roaster and two really unhappy players going verbal with their unhappiness...I know we could have made out like bandits (and I'm only talking picks here) but instead we give him one of ours...geez is Higgins that bad a negotiator or does our FO not know what is going on with other teams?
Ampsportsduo
12-14-2008, 01:14 PM
I'm actually in agreement with BR here, but at the same time, I'm not sure what pick we could've gotten from them. The Suns had previously traded two of their first round picks in the Kurt Thomas deal.
I tend to believe that had the FO told them they were walking away unless there were no picks from our side included that they probably would've taken it.
I'm actually in agreement with BR here, but at the same time, I'm not sure what pick we could've gotten from them. The Suns had previously traded two of their first round picks in the Kurt Thomas deal.
I tend to believe that had the FO told them they were walking away unless there were no picks from our side included that they probably would've taken it.
Amp I was thinking pick not this year but next when we have a higher probability (payment to Denver) of not having a first...I liked the idea (don't know if our FO is capable of it) of packaging the two seconds we had before the trade and turning them into a low 1st...someone in the last eight picks every draft seems to want high seconds (like ours might have been) to draft and stash overseas...I don't think it was in the best interest of the franchise to give that pick away...would have been better to come back with one (IMO)...
Ampsportsduo
12-14-2008, 01:27 PM
The other benefit of 2nd rounders is they do not have guaranteed contracts, so teams can take a flyer on a guy and if he doesn't pan out, they can cut him with no additional cost. So yes, it could've been doable.
dnbman
12-14-2008, 01:36 PM
The other benefit of 2nd rounders is they do not have guaranteed contracts, so teams can take a flyer on a guy and if he doesn't pan out, they can cut him with no additional cost. So yes, it could've been doable.
There's no doubt it's doable. I just don't think it was that big of a deal.
Do you think Singletary was Bobcat's request or the Sun's demand (to get rid of him)?
If Singletary was our request, I think that's the second round pick.
The other benefit of 2nd rounders is they do not have guaranteed contracts, so teams can take a flyer on a guy and if he doesn't pan out, they can cut him with no additional cost. So yes, it could've been doable.
Solid point...it is why I never undervalue a second round pick...they give a lot of flex...never understood a team that waste them...they are valuable assets for many reasons...sometimes to sweeten a trade (particularly if it involves a bad contract to move...and we have a couple of those...)...
docend24
12-14-2008, 02:09 PM
I was lazy to find more related thread but I guess someone is spying this forum (remember the poll about lady cats?) :) :
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/gallery_pistons_081213.html?curPhoto=4
docend24
12-14-2008, 02:19 PM
Do you think Singletary was Bobcat's request or the Sun's demand (to get rid of him)?
If Singletary was our request, I think that's the second round pick.Maybe both. But I guess it was more our request - LB watched him when he was in Philly and Felton is an expiring. It's better to have a 3rd point guard (or 4th if we count S.Brown) who knows the system. It's not that we couldn't get rid of him if he would become dead weight. I'm sure we could find a PG next off season if in a need. Last off season we tried O.Greene, Diaz and Weaver and some more I cant remember. Singletary has to advantage of large part of season to learn the system. If we won't need him next year he would be gone like Davidson this year. If he proves enough quality we would keep him.
docend24
12-14-2008, 02:25 PM
The other benefit of 2nd rounders is they do not have guaranteed contracts, so teams can take a flyer on a guy and if he doesn't pan out, they can cut him with no additional cost. So yes, it could've been doable.Or trade him for another second round (Weaver). (not that I think he dissapointed in Charlotte he just was at logjammed position) Taht being sad I liked the pick, liked his personality and I'm wishing him doing well in OKC.
MilZo
12-14-2008, 02:25 PM
There's no doubt it's doable. I just don't think it was that big of a deal.
Do you think Singletary was Bobcat's request or the Sun's demand (to get rid of him)?
If Singletary was our request, I think that's the second round pick.
I read somewhere that Singletary was indeed our request and that in exchange the Suns asked for the 2nd rounder.
ALuhrs704
12-14-2008, 11:49 PM
Ya its funny.... J-Rich has an alley oop in the suns game friday night and its a top 10 play. When i have seen 10 better plays this year from him while with us, and not one is even shown on the highlights. Just shows how bad Charlotte needs to win, before anyone really realizes we are here. Even the people in our own city.
SWedd523
12-14-2008, 11:59 PM
Ya its funny.... J-Rich has an alley oop in the suns game friday night and its a top 10 play. When i have seen 10 better plays this year from him while with us, and not one is even shown on the highlights. Just shows how bad Charlotte needs to win, before anyone really realizes we are here. Even the people in our own city.
You do know it's nearly impossible for ANY play by a bobcat to get on the top 10? That would require a televised game from which a highlight can be taken. People in Charlotte can't even see them play for God's sake, how do you expect the national media to catch a glimpse?
(I really wish I was being sarcastic with that comment)
Ya its funny.... J-Rich has an alley oop in the suns game friday night and its a top 10 play. When i have seen 10 better plays this year from him while with us, and not one is even shown on the highlights. Just shows how bad Charlotte needs to win, before anyone really realizes we are here. Even the people in our own city.
The only way we will ever get any respect is by winning (or so it seems)...I watched NBA channel when I got home from the game and nothing much at all on how well we came back...kinda like a shrug you know what I mean...it always irritates me that we get absolutely no respect...
Muttley
12-15-2008, 12:13 AM
I'm not even sure how much we'd need to win to get attention. I mean, if we made the first round of the playoffs and had a good series, but lost. The story would still be a fill-in-the-blank about how ____________ "handled" us in the first round on their way to __________.
You'd think MJ or Bob could fix this if they wanted to. Don't they have connections, or something? Who knows?
I'm not even sure how much we'd need to win to get attention. I mean, if we made the first round of the playoffs and had a good series, but lost. The story would still be a fill-in-the-blank about how ____________ "handled" us in the first round on their way to __________.
You'd think MJ or Bob could fix this if they wanted to. Don't they have connections, or something? Who knows?
You'd think MJ at least would...maybe we all expected (or hoped might be a better thought) MJ to actually be here more and show more support...it is frustrating because you know he knows everyone in the league...
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