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ammofan
12-29-2008, 10:10 AM
He seems to only write NEGATIVE articles about our players and team in general. I woke up this morning to read a nasty article about Morrison written by our own Rick Bonnell.

Read it here so i don have to explain it:
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/12/few-top-3-draft.html

He says how Morrison could be in the category of Kwame Brown, Darko Millicic and Jay Williams.
And he says how terrible it was that we drafted Morrison at 3 ahead of Gay and Roy. And frankly as of right now they are better players but who would've guessed that they would've been better than Morrison. ALSO, Morrison has not had the chance to start and get consistent minutes like Roy, gay, Aldridge or anyone else in that draft.

But back to Bonnell. He also manages to cut down Matt Carroll by saying that he has got few minutes as of late but he hasn't played very well in those minutes. Give him a break!
If Bonnell is gonna cut down our players why not write about Sean May who is back on the bench in a suit or how Raymond Felton blew the game for us on Saturday by taking too many shots when Gerald Wallace was taking over the game offensively and defensively.

And I know you guys are going to say how I am only protecting Morrison or whatever but I am not. If this article was about lets say another undeserving victim, Matt Carroll I would be saying the same thing.

I do want to say one thing though. I hope Morrison IS traded so he can play actual minutes on a team and come back to Charlotte in a game and make Bonnell eat his words

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-29-2008, 10:25 AM
i wouldn't say that bonnell only writes negative things

if anything, this might be the first post were he is openly ripping apart a player on our team. and MJ as well.

My thoughts are that the article is a bit contradictory. He is basically saying that Ammo is a bust pick and that Carroll is better than Ammo , in LB system. But then he admits that Ammo is a not a good fit for LBs system.

Either way I'm annoyed that he would rip appart a player when there are many other things that can be critized about the organization. I feel that he just picked this as the one thing to comment about, when if Ammo is not a good fit, then it is not his fault.

Mustachio
12-29-2008, 10:48 AM
eh. i defend Adam plenty, but the article is true. Ammo isn't giving us much return on our draft pick. thats just the facts. I think its retarded to say that Matt Carroll has a wider skill set, and think that if we lose either of them it still needs to be MC.

It's easy to kick em when they are down, but Bonnell isn't really bashing anyone in the article. He is just stating facts.

SWedd523
12-29-2008, 11:10 AM
Quite frankly, Roy was a surefire great player coming into the draft. Everybody knew what he had done in Washington and it was well established that he was going to be good. I just think he didn't fit our "system" at the time so we went with the bigger Morrison who was another surefire great player.

He just turned into a bust. If he would've been anywhere near what he was in college then we'd have a great pick on our hands.. It just didn't work out for us again. Roy exceeded his ceiling, and that makes us look even dumber.

It's impossible to guess how good Rudy Gay was going to be. He's one of those high risk/high reward type guys so I don't think management at the time wanted to risk losing the fragile fanbase at the time and draft someone like that who had a good chance to be a bust.

You see where that thinking got us...

Felton for Prez
12-29-2008, 11:30 AM
Gotta disagree with people thinking Morrison was a surefire player. There were tons of questions about whether he could play defense at the NBA level and how he was going to get his shot off. Ya know, the same things that we still talk about.

Adam was drafted because he is a gym rat and Jordan loved that. I love that too. I am a gym rat too, but that doesn't mean I should be drafted above Roy (I wanted him soooooo bad, even though he didn't want to come here).

Bonnell doesn't need to write anything bad about May. He just lets LB do it for him with various post game quotes.

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-29-2008, 11:46 AM
eh. i defend Adam plenty, but the article is true. Ammo isn't giving us much return on our draft pick. thats just the facts. I think its retarded to say that Matt Carroll has a wider skill set, and think that if we lose either of them it still needs to be MC.

It's easy to kick em when they are down, but Bonnell isn't really bashing anyone in the article. He is just stating facts.

Yes & No..I think Bonnell took some unnecesary jabs in his blog.

"On the other hand, the Bobcats passed over Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay to select Morrison.
Oops."

"Oooh. Michael Jordan. The same guy in charge when the Bobcats chose Morrison five years later."

Frankly, my whole point is that if you are going to critize something about the Bobcats...why not do it constructively or some topic that actually has relevancy?

At this point, ripping Ammo has the same impact as ripping May. It's obvious that neither are going to see playing time.

I wish he could shed some light on other issues, like the fact that people can't watch the games on TV. Or a multitude of other issues that are affecting the organization.

I also find it ridiculous that he could have written the same article about Matt Carroll when he was not getting any playing time and we have a ridiculous contract with him (much worse than Ammos).

bing!
12-29-2008, 11:53 AM
Well, I've read comments on Rick's blog and I've read what you guys have been saying here, seems the general consensus is that Adam is/is gonna be a bust, I tend to disagree. With more time on the court and relying on him for more than just a couple of long range shots, he'd make for a worthwile 3rd pick reaping in a 2006 draft harvest. I trust that what he desires the most is to prove his 'adversaries' wrong, if given a chance, imagine the outcome.

BRNC
12-29-2008, 12:15 PM
I'm not sure Adam will ever be anything more than a heavy rotation player because of his diabetes...I think it would have been more consistent if Bonnell had at least included the ACL injury but it is valid that the organization passed up a talent (Roy) and took a chance on a guy with a medical condition and it has not worked out...other teams have also made leaps of faith that have not worked out but if Adam turns out to be (at best) a heavy rotation player it is/was a wasted pick...I'd rather have Roy but that draft is long gone...

BIGCatBobcat
12-29-2008, 12:35 PM
Hindsight is 20/20 but at the time, the small market no big name franchise had to do something. That year Morrison is the only one I recall having any hype coming out of college. He was the only guy who was marketable right out of the shoot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NoeH_RkmcA
I don't remember anyone else having commercials on draft night. I know EA sports likes to do just one off commercials for draft night but hey, kid was out there, we took him, I was happy with him and somewhat impressed his rookie year once or twice. The knee thing was a non-contact injury which frightens me. He came in this year ready to go, cuts his hair, starts really moving and hustling on defense and I thought he was our 6th man. Turns out he's not, LB wants to put MC out there first and DJ then whoever. He's not getting in. Casual fans were probably emailing and asking about it. His editor may have asked about it.
I'm no Bonnell fan, I can't remember who said it but the guy has no competition. There is one paper in this market, sure the Rock Hill paper or Gaston Gazzette will send one of their guys up here once in a while but beyond that, who else is writing consistently about the 'Cats?

Honestly, this sounds really bad, older white guys like the ones in my office, often only talk about the white guys. "Oh, how's that Matt Carroll playing?" or "Adam Morrison came back from his injury right?" Racist or not that's who casual old white dudes follow. That could be why this is a topical blog.

Another point, he did this thing on his blog, not in the paper. That makes it a bit less of an issue. People are talking and he threw in his 2 cents, which he's allowed to do. He's not negitive all the time. He want's the team to succeeed as much as anyone, he just has to pick his battles I guess.

dav7z
12-29-2008, 01:06 PM
Ammo is a bust but 80 percent at Bobcatsplanet loved the Morrison pick iccluding me. The Ammo fans came out the wood work. A hudge folowing. It's hard to blame the organization for picking him . After Roy wasn't wanting to play for Charlotte.
But in a early post one compares Felton to Morrison . Its nothing to compare Felton starts and has the most true value on the team . In other words a very tradeable contract. As with Morrison we hoping to just grt offered a 2nd round pick by the trade deadline. He has a place off the beanch in the NBA on the right team but will never be good for more than a back up . So i agree with Bonnell on his assesment on Morrison.
May has turned out even worse than the Morrison pick , and am suprized Bonnell didn't go into that. But i couldn't consider either pick bad on draft day. Hindsight is 20/20

TattoodCats4life
12-29-2008, 01:10 PM
When it comes to brass tacks Ammo doesn't fit Larry. Now we can't (and i wouldn't) trade coaches, so best to find someone who might like him (hopefully in the west so we don't get killed by him later). There are probably 5 players on this team who we shouldn't have traded for/picked, but hindsight is 20/20 as was said before. We've got 5 good starts (albeit one is our 6th man), we've got 2-3 good bench players (2 of which ride inactive for some odd reason) and the rest, 1 future great bench player (SS44). Overall the rest are expendable, including Felton who simply doesn't have the skills to put the team on his back and run in the 4th qtr.

In the end the players have to adjust to larry or have to find a new team...I honestly think Adam's going to end up in euroleague just based on the lighter schedule etc and his health.

MattD
12-29-2008, 02:03 PM
He seems to only write NEGATIVE articles about our players and team in general. I woke up this morning to read a nasty article about Morrison written by our own Rick Bonnell.

Read it here so i don have to explain it:
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/12/few-top-3-draft.html

He says how Morrison could be in the category of Kwame Brown, Darko Millicic and Jay Williams.
And he says how terrible it was that we drafted Morrison at 3 ahead of Gay and Roy. And frankly as of right now they are better players but who would've guessed that they would've been better than Morrison. ALSO, Morrison has not had the chance to start and get consistent minutes like Roy, gay, Aldridge or anyone else in that draft.

But back to Bonnell. He also manages to cut down Matt Carroll by saying that he has got few minutes as of late but he hasn't played very well in those minutes. Give him a break!
If Bonnell is gonna cut down our players why not write about Sean May who is back on the bench in a suit or how Raymond Felton blew the game for us on Saturday by taking too many shots when Gerald Wallace was taking over the game offensively and defensively.

And I know you guys are going to say how I am only protecting Morrison or whatever but I am not. If this article was about lets say another undeserving victim, Matt Carroll I would be saying the same thing.

I do want to say one thing though. I hope Morrison IS traded so he can play actual minutes on a team and come back to Charlotte in a game and make Bonnell eat his words

once you get off your knees and start seeing things clearly maybe then ill be able to take you seriously... until then, your posts are laughable.

let me spell it out for you: MORRISON SUCKS. acceptance is the first stage in recovery

he would be playing if he earned it in practice, which we do not get to see. he didnt prove himself worthy at the begining of the season and he isnt worthy right now in the season. sure he can get hot and go off on the rare occasion, but other than that he is DREADFUL. defense, offense, everything. awful.

the bobcats did make a huge draft blunder by picking him 3rd, but it was as much a marketability/ticket sales move as a team building move. it sucks, and rudy gay or brandon roy would have been lightyears better... if you dont believe that you are simply an idiot. we cannot go back in the past however, so it is what it is. dj is looking good.

SWedd523
12-29-2008, 02:05 PM
once you get off your knees and start seeing things clearly maybe then ill be able to take you seriously... until then, your posts are laughable.

let me spell it out for you: MORRISON SUCKS. acceptance is the first stage in recovery

he would be playing if he earned it in practice, which we do not get to see. he didnt prove himself worthy at the begining of the season and he isnt worthy right now in the season. sure he can get hot and go off on the rare occasion, but other than that he is DREADFUL. defense, offense, everything. awful.

the bobcats did make a huge draft blunder by picking him 3rd, but it was as much a marketability/ticket sales move as a team building move. it sucks, and rudy gay or brandon roy would have been lightyears better... if you dont believe that you are simply an idiot. we cannot go back in the past however, so it is what it is. dj is looking good.
Wow... you're attacking him a little bit

Ammofan, I'm sorry but he's right and I have to agree with him. Morrison sucks, plain and simple.

BRNC
12-29-2008, 02:45 PM
I think he has the right to say Morrison sucks if that's his opinion...but I think the personal attacks are uncalled for...

dav7z
12-29-2008, 03:16 PM
Ammofan i think its a good post and a nice topic. And its no need to attack Ammofan personaly. I agree Ammo hasn't produced and is a draft bust . But Ammofan has his openion just like everone else on the board, hes not called any names or taken things to a personal basics. Belive me it don't feel good to get attacked on a personal level. This i wish would not happen hear at Bobcatsplanet.

ammofan
12-29-2008, 04:08 PM
Let me get this straight. I made this topic to discuss Rick Bonnell not Morrison. And the crap you guys give me on Morrison is totally uncalled for. I never say anything about someone saying how great Wallace or DJ is!
Its not my fault that Morrison is on the bench and not performing. Hey and isn't it kinda hard to score when you dont get to take your warm up off?
And you know what MattD, i can see things clearly and I know whats best for this team. I probably know alot more than you think I do and alot more than you do. So go ahead trade Morrison back to the west coast! trade him to LA or portland and watch Morrison get actual minutes, good coaches and a fan base that actually supports their players even when they are struggling(That was not toward all of the Bobcats nation.....just those few here and there).

Keetch
12-29-2008, 04:15 PM
MATTD!!!!! Come on man no need to call out Ammofan like that. He's a good old BCP Bobcats fan just like the rest of us, including you; and has a right to stick up for his favorite player.

Having said that...my 2 cents...in my opinion its likely that if Ammo were given large minutes that he'd prove to everyone that he's not athletic enough to play in the NBA.

But I like AMMO too and wish to the LAWD JEESUS that I'm wrong.

But frankly, I've seen enough to think that I'd rather he got those minutes somewhere else. I'd prefer the Cats use MC as they're doing and try to win now. I think MC is a stronger overall player.

SWedd523
12-29-2008, 04:18 PM
But frankly, I've seen enough to think that I'd rather he got those minutes somewhere else. I'd prefer the Cats use MC as they're doing and try to win now. I think MC is a stronger overall player.
Never thought in a million years that I'd hear that... and believe it:wow1:

Keetch
12-29-2008, 04:22 PM
Point taken Ammofan (agreed): I think Bonnell was on the mark to discuss AMMO in light of his change in PT status. The only part I didn't care for was at the end where he dissed MJ again for making the pick. That's really old news, reburbed up again; and not completely fair. Many other teams would have selected Ammo just as well.

It's pretty evident in hindsight that Gay Roy was the better pick; but Gay had similar if different risks as Ammo and Roy clearly didn't want any part of Charlotte. The Bobcats invited him to workout here twice; and he stood them up both times. Sigh.

I really wanted Roy; but I could tell we weren't going to pick him; so Ammo seemed like a reasonable next best. I was kind of excited when we picked him; though I figured he had high bust potential. What a ride.

bing!
12-29-2008, 04:23 PM
... and watch Morrison get actual minutes, good coaches and a fan base that actually supports their players even when they are struggling
What he said, true colours are shown only in times of adversity, for Adam, that time is now, and it's clear that he enjoys little to no support. Too bad that he doesn't, it'll hurt if he gets to blossom elsewhere (notice the if).

And as for Bonnel and his, sometimes, overly critical attitude which almost never focuses on things of importance, there are other Bobcats blogs out there, though I enjoy reading Rick's as well.

ammofan
12-29-2008, 04:25 PM
Having said that...my 2 cents...in my opinion its likely that if Ammo were given large minutes that he'd prove to everyone that he's not athletic enough to play in the NBA.

But I like AMMO too and wish to the LAWD JEESUS that I'm wrong.

But frankly, I've seen enough to think that I'd rather he got those minutes somewhere else. I'd prefer the Cats use MC as they're doing and try to win now. I think MC is a stronger overall player.

I completely agree. Carroll DOES fit better on this team! MATT-D! GUESS WHAT! I ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!
Morrison does not fit on this team and really he never has. Sure I wanted him to be drafted here and i did think he would be a great NBA player. BUT, I never thought he would really fit in here. Even in Bickerstaff's system.

ammofan
12-29-2008, 04:29 PM
The Bobcats invited him to workout here twice

I saw one of those workouts. I would've drafted him too even if I did'nt know who he was! He hit EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! He looked great getting up and down and make almost 100% of his shots.

Remember that there were rumors that the Raptors almost draft Morrison at #1!!! and the bulls almost drafted him too! Obviously our guys in management weren't the only ones who saw something in Morrison

DanielWheeler
12-29-2008, 04:35 PM
Let me get this straight. I made this topic to discuss Rick Bonnell not Morrison. And the crap you guys give me on Morrison is totally uncalled for. I never say anything about someone saying how great Wallace or DJ is!
Its not my fault that Morrison is on the bench and not performing. Hey and isn't it kinda hard to score when you dont get to take your warm up off?
And you know what MattD, i can see things clearly and I know whats best for this team. I probably know alot more than you think I do and alot more than you do. So go ahead trade Morrison back to the west coast! trade him to LA or portland and watch Morrison get actual minutes, good coaches and a fan base that actually supports their players even when they are struggling(That was not toward all of the Bobcats nation.....just those few here and there).

Post of the Year.

My father and I went up to see the game vs. Detroit. My dad, A former pro baseball player and big Morrison fan like me, watched the whole game and all he said was that Morrison had lost his confidence.

I think it is hard to expect a guy coming off a major knee injury to instantly come in and do fine. I give a lot of chances to people and Morrison just needs the year to learn in the system and then wait till next year when he becomes a nice contributor off the bench.

ammofan
12-29-2008, 05:14 PM
Post of the Year.

My father and I went up to see the game vs. Detroit. My dad, A former pro baseball player and big Morrison fan like me, watched the whole game and all he said was that Morrison had lost his confidence.

I think it is hard to expect a guy coming off a major knee injury to instantly come in and do fine. I give a lot of chances to people and Morrison just needs the year to learn in the system and then wait till next year when he becomes a nice contributor off the bench.


Thank You! I didn't think it was good as you put it! haha

MattD
12-29-2008, 05:26 PM
Let me get this straight. I made this topic to discuss Rick Bonnell not Morrison. And the crap you guys give me on Morrison is totally uncalled for. I never say anything about someone saying how great Wallace or DJ is!
Its not my fault that Morrison is on the bench and not performing. Hey and isn't it kinda hard to score when you dont get to take your warm up off?
And you know what MattD, i can see things clearly and I know whats best for this team. I probably know alot more than you think I do and alot more than you do. So go ahead trade Morrison back to the west coast! trade him to LA or portland and watch Morrison get actual minutes, good coaches and a fan base that actually supports their players even when they are struggling(That was not toward all of the Bobcats nation.....just those few here and there).


Let me get this straight. You make a topic asking “what is wrong with rick bonnell” because of an article killing on the great, the legend, Adam Morrison. Bonnell here is being what I like to call a sportswriter. You know, writing an article that is about an aspect of the team. He has before written about sean may, and probably every bobcats player. He has written before in both positive and negative light. So one negative article about Morrison inspires a “what is wrong” with him? Not much, he is doing his job.

Now back to the more fun stuff. Your focus of your first post was Morrison, and you concluded on a Morrison note. Your outrage was for the negative article about Morrison. This topic is every bit about Morrison.

When people say how great DJ is or Gerald, or mek, it is generally because they ARE great (or great at that moment). Morrison has never earned a right to be even called mediocre in the nba. Please do provide evidence to the contrary if it exists.

Of course its not your fault, and in no way should you feel responsible for Morrison’s performance, see he controls himself and you control yourself.

Now addressing your last statement: I would just like to focus in on the “good coaches” part. Right now we have… oh yeah that hall of fame coach, who has won more then 1,000 games. Get him a GOOD coach though who knows what hes doing and he will be great. Sam Vincent said when we lost Morrison and may we lost 40 ppg production, so maybe that fine coach can get him to his rightful nba superstar status. The lakers are so deep they probably would cut Morrison before he got a minute, Portland would have no use for a jump shooter who plays zero defense. I will say again, if Adam practiced well enough, he would earn playing time but that aint happenin….

Im sure you’re a regular gm in the making. Maybe you and Kevin McHale can be friends. Building around Morrison and good coaching, you could do wonders… just because you say carroll fits better with the bobcats (carroll still does not fit well at all with this team in my opinion, but your entitled to your opinion, another opportunity here to elaborate though) does not mean you know what your talking about, but it doesn’t mean you don’t either…

Just out of curiosity, what kind of an NBA team does adam Morrison fit on? I sure as hell don’t know


As for the personal attacks, sorry about that, I just get a wee bit tired of reading how good adam Morrison is. And when I said “you’re an idiot” I wasn’t directly referring to you, but just anyone with those beliefs. Ammofan, we all care about basketball here, and all have our own opinions. Having reasons behind them do help though. But none the less if i am an ass, its about your thoughts, obviously not you as a person.

And on a completely different note, do you play for myers park?

MattD
12-29-2008, 05:28 PM
My father and I went up to see the game vs. Detroit. My dad, A former pro baseball player and big Morrison fan like me, watched the whole game and all he said was that Morrison had lost his confidence.

I think it is hard to expect a guy coming off a major knee injury to instantly come in and do fine. I give a lot of chances to people and Morrison just needs the year to learn in the system and then wait till next year when he becomes a nice contributor off the bench.

a nice contributer off the bench is not worthy of a top 3 pick. roy is an allstar, gay averages 20ppg and 5.5 rebs. plus regaining confidence in the nba, not an easy thing to do

BIGCatBobcat
12-29-2008, 06:18 PM
I agree Bonnell sucks. Ammo is kind of not the guy for the team right now. I'd like to see him do well. It's sort of like the why this why now thread I started about the draft room. Why does Bonnell bring this up right now? I get it kind of. Like I said before people are concerned with Ammo because he is a high draft pick. He's not taking the right angle if you ask me. I want to know why he's not getting the minutes...not his specualtion. "Hi Larry, I'm Rick Bonnell, beat writer for the Observer. Curious as to what the problem with Adam Morrison is. He looked good early, why bench him now and never let him see the light of day? What changed? Thank you Coach Brown" Ask the question jackass. Don't blog like you're freakin me doing blogs for fun after work.

DanielWheeler
12-29-2008, 06:23 PM
a nice contributer off the bench is not worthy of a top 3 pick. roy is an allstar, gay averages 20ppg and 5.5 rebs. plus regaining confidence in the nba, not an easy thing to do

You are aware that the only reason they didn't draft Roy was because he refused to workout with the Bobcats thus meaning he has no desire to be a Bobcat. Rudy Gay showed no heart in college and didn't show the desire it takes to be a top pro...I was proven wrong, but I know that if I had to do it all over again I would've picked Morrison everytime.

bing!
12-29-2008, 06:23 PM
I agree Bonnell sucks. Ammo is kind of not the guy for the team right now. I'd like to see him do well. It's sort of like the why this why now thread I started about the draft room. Why does Bonnell bring this up right now? I get it kind of. Like I said before people are concerned with Ammo because he is a high draft pick. He's not taking the right angle if you ask me. I want to know why he's not getting the minutes...not his specualtion. "Hi Larry, I'm Rick Bonnell, beat writer for the Observer. Curious as to what the problem with Adam Morrison is. He looked good early, why bench him now and never let him see the light of day? What changed? Thank you Coach Brown" Ask the question jackass. Don't blog like you're freakin me doing blogs for fun after work.
Word, except the fact that Rick doesn't suck, ... ... ... that much. :D

MattD
12-29-2008, 06:35 PM
You are aware that the only reason they didn't draft Roy was because he refused to workout with the Bobcats thus meaning he has no desire to be a Bobcat. Rudy Gay showed no heart in college and didn't show the desire it takes to be a top pro...I was proven wrong, but I know that if I had to do it all over again I would've picked Morrison everytime.

Dj refused to workout for the bobcats

DanielWheeler
12-29-2008, 06:46 PM
Dj refused to workout for the bobcats

That's interesting. I am sure he didn't publicly say he didn't want to be drafted by them like Roy. He had a bad attitude about the whole thing and I want no part of that and neither did the Bobcats.

spectre
12-29-2008, 07:19 PM
That's interesting. I am sure he didn't publicly say he didn't want to be drafted by them like Roy. He had a bad attitude about the whole thing and I want no part of that and neither did the Bobcats.

I don't think Roy stated that...he actually came in to Charlotte to work out but got sick. We couldn't get LMA or Tyrus Thomas in to work out at all.

DanielWheeler
12-29-2008, 07:27 PM
I don't think Roy stated that...he actually came in to Charlotte to work out but got sick. We couldn't get LMA or Tyrus Thomas in to work out at all.

I would pretend to be sick so I didn't have to workout at a place I didn't want to play at.

ammofan
12-29-2008, 07:33 PM
Im sure you’re a regular gm in the making. Maybe you and Kevin McHale can be friends. Building around Morrison and good coaching, you could do wonders…

Just out of curiosity, what kind of an NBA team does adam Morrison fit on? I sure as hell don’t know

And on a completely different note, do you play for myers park?


1. Sounds fun.......We can bring in LeBron, Amare and nash too and call it a day.

2. Morrison would fit in great on a Mike D'Antoni team. Who doesn't?

3. How did u know I go there and no they told me they had too many guards and I am tall but not as tall as they want their forwards. They told me to make sure I come back out next year.

ammofan
12-29-2008, 07:35 PM
I agree Bonnell sucks. Ammo is kind of not the guy for the team right now. I'd like to see him do well. It's sort of like the why this why now thread I started about the draft room. Why does Bonnell bring this up right now? I get it kind of. Like I said before people are concerned with Ammo because he is a high draft pick. He's not taking the right angle if you ask me. I want to know why he's not getting the minutes...not his specualtion. "Hi Larry, I'm Rick Bonnell, beat writer for the Observer. Curious as to what the problem with Adam Morrison is. He looked good early, why bench him now and never let him see the light of day? What changed? Thank you Coach Brown" Ask the question jackass. Don't blog like you're freakin me doing blogs for fun after work.

EXACTLY!!! Thats what i wanted to be said!

ammofan
12-29-2008, 07:37 PM
Dj refused to workout for the bobcats

Actually his agent didn't want him here and he didn't think he would go here. DJ and his agent thought there was no way the Cats would draft him so there was no reason to come. They also thought he would be drafted much higher.

spectre
12-29-2008, 07:42 PM
I would pretend to be sick so I didn't have to workout at a place I didn't want to play at.

That might make sense if he'd pretended to be sick before he got here...yet he came to town anyway.

BobCatsFanInTx
12-29-2008, 07:54 PM
Well, I've read comments on Rick's blog and I've read what you guys have been saying here, seems the general consensus is that Adam is/is gonna be a bust, I tend to disagree. With more time on the court and relying on him for more than just a couple of long range shots, he'd make for a worthwhile 3rd pick reaping in a 2006 draft harvest. I trust that what he desires the most is to prove his 'adversaries' wrong, if given a chance, imagine the outcome. There is a certain fact that none of us can deny. Sometimes great college players never translate in the pros. Sometimes it is easy to tell which ones will and other times it is hard to tell which ones won't. Adam was a lot of fun to watch in college but it seems since he has come to the pro level he has a very weak psyche and he crawls into a shell so to speak when things aren't going well.

Listen, I was a big fan of AmMo coming out of college but the reality is I let my desire for his work ethic and passion for the game cloud my better judgement. Adam is slow as molasses and he has virtually no lateral movement. He is quite non athletic and has none of the post skills in the NBA that he had in college.

AmMo is soft and crawls into a shell and disappears when things aren't working for him. If AmMo misses a shot he starts making poor decisions and does not even seem to be on the court with his teammates much of the time.

There is one last hope for AmMo and maybe he will show he has what it takes to be an NBA regular. I have mentioned some perceived physical weaknesses that I think he seems to have but to me AmMo's biggest weakness is AmMo himself. If he fixes himself mentally he may come around. I think that the Cats should hire a team psychologist to work with certain players. If the team is mentally focused and in the right mind they/AmMo may play better as a whole. I have heard of successful teams/players utilizing a quality shrink and have it work. If AmMo fails after having gotten some mental help then he should definitely find another team. If he fails at that stage I think it is safe to say he has made some good money and can move on to other things.

Personally if AmMo could succeed on another team outside our division I would be happy for him. I just don't see a future for AmMo without him getting at least a couple counseling visits.

What was stated by me is simply my opinions unless in the post I say otherwise.

DanielWheeler
12-29-2008, 07:56 PM
Maybe he got to Charlotte and realized that I don't want to play here. People back out of things like that all the time.

BobCatsFanInTx
12-29-2008, 08:50 PM
I agree Bonnell sucks. Ammo is kind of not the guy for the team right now. I'd like to see him do well. It's sort of like the why this why now thread I started about the draft room. Why does Bonnell bring this up right now? I get it kind of. Like I said before people are concerned with Ammo because he is a high draft pick. He's not taking the right angle if you ask me. I want to know why he's not getting the minutes...not his specualtion. "Hi Larry, I'm Rick Bonnell, beat writer for the Observer. Curious as to what the problem with Adam Morrison is. He looked good early, why bench him now and never let him see the light of day? What changed? Thank you Coach Brown" Ask the question jackass. Don't blog like you're freakin me doing blogs for fun after work.Anyone who doesn't know why LB has kept AmMo on the bench only likes to look at his glimpses of hope 10 or so days into the season. After that 10 days AmMo did like he did two years ago.He would take a few shots and miss only to disappear for most of the rest of the game. He shows very little fire or passion. Being that he was drafted by Jordan as much for his high energy and passion as anything else I find that a key to his struggles. Plain and simple, athletically AmMo is not an NBA player but he could be a minor contributor off the bench if he got his mind right. His weak mind set has hurt him. He must face the fact that he is not a number 3 pick in the NBA talent wise and just make him self as useful as he can be.

As far as Bonnell, it is not his job to be popular with all the fans. It is however his job to articulate an opinion and leave it to the reader to agree or disagree. If he was at odds with the readers regularly he would not be a blogger on the home team. Obviously for his blogs to continue he has struck a chord enough times with the readers to remain viable.

Everything said by me in this post is simply my own opinions unless I say otherwise. ;)

TattoodCats4life
12-29-2008, 08:56 PM
My 2 cents on DJ not working out here. DJ was expected to go 5-8 and we had Felton who is a *chuckle* proven point guard who came pretty high in the draft. Everyone in and around the NBA, including Jordan the man in charge, thought and planned for us to go with the best possible big available, we had even made a verbal commitment to B. Lopez that we'd take him if he were still sitting at 9th. Thank god Larry loves his points and saw a streak of gold with this one, because I think in short order he'll be near the top of the league. In our home win against NO he destoryed Chris Paul (every first half point CP3 had was when Felton was on the 1). He also handled paul well in our depleted away game, but that could be some "Hey I'm home" performance push.

Either way, we need to trade about 4-5 players on this team for 1 backup point guard with experience but not really wanting to pump out 30-40 min/game, and a 2 guard who is great and some "development" projects for larry.

To stay on topic with the thread, Ammo and Carroll both are on the short list of trade candidates, although I'd hang onto carroll before I'd hang on to Ammo becuase if we have a 2 spot injury Matt can start and he tears it up when he gets 30 min/game.

BobCatsFanInTx
12-29-2008, 09:21 PM
Maybe he got to Charlotte and realized that I don't want to play here. People back out of things like that all the time.Daniel I would say you were on to something except what he is doing will not get him out of here very easily. The way he has been playing makes me think he want's out of the NBA all together.

I think AmMo expected to come in and make an impact right away and when he realized the NBA was more work than he thought his confidence took a dive. If Adam had anywhere near the fire he played with while with Gonzaga he would at least be a quality sixth man.

If I wanted out of a team I would play my ass off and make my trade value high so that a team who is contending would want me. All AmMo has to do is play well but state his desire for a trade. If he stunk after stating such a desire other teams may understand. The Bobcats would be forced to either release him or make the trade.

AmMo is not the most athletic guy but other known contributors have made a quality NBA impact by working their asses off and being smarter than the next guy. Kurt Rambis with the Lakers was as athletically challenged as they come but the guy played hard game in and game out. He did whatever was asked of him and he played a small but not insignificant role in the successes of the 80's to early 90's Lakers teams. A big man does not always need to be athletic. If he is a scrapper and plays tough good things happen. Morrison is too soft and needs to rework himself mentally. He has enough physical tools to be a shooter and get in someones way for a teammate. Defense is a bit of a reach but not totally. He just has to get focused and not lose confidence when he misses a shot or assignment.

Adam is all about rhythm and that is where he needs to change. If his shots not falling he needs to make an effort to do whatever is necessary to contribute. He does not need to look lost and seem confused when things aren't going well. This is a guy who battles diabetes and that is not fun. If he would just take the same approach to his basketball game he would be a star bench player. That is better than nothing. He still feels he let us down by not being as good as he was projected. He needs to not worry about that and start being the best he can be.

You all know that there have been a lot of players who were not as good as expected but were not total flops either. AmMo has the ability to avoid being a flop but it remains whether he can mentally tune out expectations and just be his best on the court.

The above post is merely my own opinions and is not meant to be seen as fact unless I say otherwise. ;0)

BobCatsFanInTx
12-29-2008, 09:34 PM
My 2 cents on DJ not working out here. DJ was expected to go 5-8 and we had Felton who is a *chuckle* proven point guard who came pretty high in the draft. Everyone in and around the NBA, including Jordan the man in charge, thought and planned for us to go with the best possible big available, we had even made a verbal commitment to B. Lopez that we'd take him if he were still sitting at 9th. Thank god Larry loves his points and saw a streak of gold with this one, because I think in short order he'll be near the top of the league. In our home win against NO he destroyed Chris Paul (every first half point CP3 had was when Felton was on the 1). He also handled Paul well in our depleted away game, but that could be some "Hey I'm home" performance push.

Either way, we need to trade about 4-5 players on this team for 1 backup point guard with experience but not really wanting to pump out 30-40 min/game, and a 2 guard who is great and some "development" projects for Larry.

To stay on topic with the thread, Ammo and Carroll both are on the short list of trade candidates, although I'd hang onto Carroll before I'd hang on to Ammo because if we have a 2 spot injury Matt can start and he tears it up when he gets 30 min/game.Sounds good when said Tattooed but the reality is that unless we trade a core member of our team we likely have nothing anybody wants. I can see us dumping some spare parts with a regular starter for something of substance but I just don't see any more trades out there that will help the Cats this season. In my opinion the Cats will have to ride this season out and hope for the lottery so we have a decent chance at getting a useful player. Would I like the Cats to win and win now? YES!!! I would, but it is doubtful and if the team is going to win enough to miss the lottery and the playoffs I'd rather us lose this season.

If there is some trade to be had that would shore up some of the teams weaknesses I would be totally for it but since that is not likely I would rather we suck and get a lottery pick. I really do hate to say that but the future does not look bright if we can't get rid of the spare parts.

MattD
12-29-2008, 11:07 PM
1. Sounds fun.......We can bring in LeBron, Amare and nash too and call it a day.

2. Morrison would fit in great on a Mike D'Antoni team. Who doesn't?

3. How did u know I go there and no they told me they had too many guards and I am tall but not as tall as they want their forwards. They told me to make sure I come back out next year.

... though a shot happy offense would probably be the best fit for morrison, you have to have real basketball iq to thrive under him, quickness and athleticism, just look at nate robinson. Morrison isnt really that type of player, but the no defense concept works well. oh and he has to be able to run and be in better shape, which he currently wouldnt be up to par with. plus he has to hit shots, something which again, he hasnt been able to do of late.

3... i didnt mean that as an insult, i remember you mentioned it and have a small tie to the team. they are quite good this year, no shame in not making that squad.

MattD
12-29-2008, 11:09 PM
I don't think Roy stated that...he actually came in to Charlotte to work out but got sick. We couldn't get LMA or Tyrus Thomas in to work out at all.

there are reasons for things like this... LMA and Tyrus Thomas could have had promises or scenarios worked out. agents try to manipulate the draft, things like that, which really have nothing to do with the players ability or desire to play in a specific location.

as for roys reasoning... speculation is speculation

dj of course said he didnt have a say now that hes here, roy probably would have said the same thing

cbvh
12-30-2008, 03:12 AM
first of all i think its hard to be brought up as a scorer, then get 3-5 shots a game and expect to be productive. if some of the best scorers in the league got that few of shots a game, their fg% would probably be horrible.

also the ONLY time a ever see morrison on offense is when he's standing outside the 3 point line. he has never been considered a good 3 point shooter. if you look at all his college highlights, hes comin off screens, hittin runners, shooting off the dribble, or hitting turnarounds.

i also think that almost everytime he passes the ball, it puts someone in great scoring position.

with that being said...in his college games, there was no doubt that he wanted to win more than anyone on the court. this year...i dont really see any passion when he's out there on the court, and i dont know why.

anyways i do think he would play well playing a different role...maybe lol

davcbow
12-30-2008, 05:27 AM
Bonnell is infamous for when he hasn't anything good to say he finds someone to pick on in his articles....:cool:

Cyprus Sinner
12-30-2008, 10:12 PM
Morrison back on the floor tonight.

12 minutes.

0-3.

1 airball.

Booed by his home crowd.

Another blown opportunity.

ohara831
12-30-2008, 10:23 PM
Morrison back on the floor tonight.

12 minutes.

0-3.

1 airball.

Booed by his home crowd.

Another blown opportunity.

It is sad. Not just because we blew a #3 pick on him, but I hate to see anyone lose their confidence in what they do. And his confidence is just gone and isn't coming back.

TattoodCats4life
12-30-2008, 10:37 PM
Sounds good when said Tattooed but the reality is that unless we trade a core member of our team we likely have nothing anybody wants. I can see us dumping some spare parts with a regular starter for something of substance but I just don't see any more trades out there that will help the Cats this season. In my opinion the Cats will have to ride this season out and hope for the lottery so we have a decent chance at getting a useful player. Would I like the Cats to win and win now? YES!!! I would, but it is doubtful and if the team is going to win enough to miss the lottery and the playoffs I'd rather us lose this season.

If there is some trade to be had that would shore up some of the teams weaknesses I would be totally for it but since that is not likely I would rather we suck and get a lottery pick. I really do hate to say that but the future does not look bright if we can't get rid of the spare parts.

Well, I do agree it would need to be a garbage for garbage trade or a garbage + Felton trade (I'm not willing to part with the other 4 or DJ). What I think we need is for Larry to really look around the league and find some old players of his, or ppl he's watched and loved (Like Lil Sean who he watched in high school). Larry has a keen eye for underrated or otherwise under developed players, hence we have Diaw who has just about doubled all his stats since coming over. I would love larry to find someone else in the league like this who isnt happy where they are and that he knows would kick some butt for us. That'd be good. Otherwise, I say we do need to pray for the lotto to bring us in the top 3. I'd love to see S. Curry back up Bell and eventually have it swapped with curry starting and bell doing backup duty. Please note, I don't watch college ball I don't care what team they come from just that whatever we pick in teh first round next year has to got make a difference immediately like DJ did.

Mustachio
12-30-2008, 11:29 PM
Adam Morrison is better for the Bobcats than Matt Carroll. I cannot fathom what any person see's in Matt Carroll. when he is on the court... the Bobcats lose. Its just that simple. When Matt Carroll plays its like playing 4 on 5. When Adam Morrison plays its like playing 4.5 on 5. either way it sucks. and when Adam Morrison and Matt Carroll play... we couldnt beat Myers Park.

What we need to do is quit waiting on talent to develop and fucking find some that is developed. Im freakin sick of losing i know that.

davcbow
12-31-2008, 01:25 AM
What we need to do is quit waiting on talent to develop and fucking find some that is developed. Im freakin sick of losing i know that.


Amen fella, Im so sick of seeing people shoot and miss shots, Im sick of seeing errant passes going out of bounds. I wouldnt mind seeing Ammo and Hammer go. Also although Felts is playing fair in most areas of the game, most of the time he could'nt hit the side of a damn barn if the ball was the size of the planet and where was our defense in the first quarter of tonights game against NY? I'm sick of seeing soft defense, that damn 1st quarter cost us the game....:cool:

BIGCatBobcat
12-31-2008, 11:03 AM
Amen fella, Im so sick of seeing people shoot and miss shots, Im sick of seeing errant passes going out of bounds. I wouldnt mind seeing Ammo and Hammer go. Also although Felts is playing fair in most areas of the game, most of the time he could'nt hit the side of a damn barn if the ball was the size of the planet and where was our defense in the first quarter of tonights game against NY? I'm sick of seeing soft defense, that damn 1st quarter cost us the game....:cool:

Right on again, for both Mustachio and davcbow. It's frustrating as hell that these guys are so sensitive or unathletic or something that they can't get into the flow of the game, let alone make shots and score points. I think Larry has a plan, and that's breaking all those bad habits for Ray, Mek and Wallace, integrating Diaw and Bell and developing these fringe guys. Breaking all these bad habits and teaching these guys to "play the right way" is going to take time for some of them and maybe in the course of a season it's difficult for Larry to get what he wants out of everyone. I like, if in fact my suspicions are correct, that Larry is doing a top-down approach on this roster. Start with Wallace, Okafor, Raymond break all their habits and get them to play together then work on the rest of the guys. Carroll and Morrison may be out of it for LB to do anything with them right now or even soon.