Time for another trade

[LB4President]

I love the trade for Diaw and Bell. Diaw is bring out the best of Wallace and Okafor. Our frontcourt is not the best in the world but it is definitely stable enough to get us into the playoffs. We still need help in the backcourt. Felton is going to leave us at the end of the season anyway. We need to trade him before it is too late to make a push for the playoffs. John Salmons would be amazing and the salaries work out so we could swap them straight up, but there is no way Sacramento would go for that. Packaging Felton, Morrison, and possibly May as an expiring contract could possibly land us a servicable two guard that seems to be the last piece of the puzzle.

[BobcatsAllDay]

Packaging Felton, Morrison, and possibly May as an expiring contract could possibly land us a servicable two guard that seems to be the last piece of the puzzle.

Who will take that? One is overweight and coming off micro-fracture surgery, another looks like a shell of himself, and lastly a PG that we're trying sell as a combo guard who can't shoot. What can we get for any of those players that will help us?

[ammofan]

I totally agree.........I think ,unfortunatley, Adam needs a new team(It hurts to say that.).

[Slam]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~3028~556~2211~2753~568&teams=30~30~4~4~23~23&te=&cash=

[BobcatsAllDay]

Larry Hughes will only piss us off at that price.

[TattoodCats4life]

I'm not sure for who or where, but I'm 100% on for a Felton + Ammo/Matt + Nazr trade. I'd like to see us get an "old" point guard and a mid-career 2 guard in trade. I only say to get the point guard so that Sean and DJ have someone to look up to (besides Phil Ford and Larry obviously) and because I don't consider Shannon Brown someone I want running the point for a long stretch if there is an injury. Don't get me wrong, SB is a great guard, just not a PURE 1 spot.

my 2 cents, ymmv.

[bellringer21]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~3028~556~2211~2753~568&teams=30~30~4~4~23~23&te=&cash=

Why would the Kings want Felton? They already have Udrih who is their PG for the future....or at least has the contract to be their PG of the future....

[TheBeagle]

I don't have the creativity or interest to do the custom trade thingy, but there's no doubt more trading/roster overhauling will be needed, as has been obvious for most of the year. Ultimately, the depth of this team is so bad, they could use help at every position, but having a legit starting PG has been the most glaring need since the trade with PHX. No one within the organization or without thinks Raymond is the answer, so I've got to hope it's only a matter of time before he is traded; I think he'd be a tremendous backup PG for someone, so he's got to have some value.

Other than that, I can't see anybody wanting to touch Nazr or Matt or Ammo, etc. If we shipped one or more of those guys out with Raymond, we'd get less back in return than if we'd only traded Raymond; it might be worth it via addition by subtraction, but I can't imagine anyone wanting anything to do with those fellas, god bless 'em.

[Slam]

Why would the Kings want Felton? They already have Udrih who is their PG for the future....or at least has the contract to be their PG of the future....
Is Nazzy our C of the future because he is paid like it? How about Hammer? Is he our SG of the future because he is paid like it?

Udrich is a bum - and they know it. They need a PG of the future, which is where Felton would slide in. He would probably do well playing next to a SG/SF tandem of Martin and Salmons.

[Chef]

just agreeing with other posts, how can we expect much (other than a project/young 2 guard) for ray when he is an good point and a lousy shooting/combo guard. we should use him to unload nazr or matt (preferably nazr) and we should be heady enough fans to know that is value. there is no way we will resign him to a big deal, every team in the league knows that, so any cap relief we can parlay from him is to the upmost advantage to us. especially heading into the summer 09 free agency. everyone is gearing up for 2010, so an offer from a terrible franchise like us looks alot better in 09 than 10.

[LB4President]

I don't get Nazr. I watched a lot of Spurs games when he was there and he seemed like a servicable center. Offensively not so much and his hand are about as receptive to catching a pass as a brick wall, but he will occasionally block a shot and can rebound. He definitely doesn't deserve that much money but I don't understand why everyone is desperate to ship him out. Carroll I understand. Ammo could be valuable just not on this team so I wouldn't give him up.

I am just saying the sit back and let this team gel idea needs to be put on hold until we bring in a servicable two guard to help the backcourt. One who can break somebody down off the dribble and create their own shot.

[DanielWheeler]

I really like the prospects of Thabo in a Bobcats uniform. He's a really good defender that Larry will like.

[TattoodCats4life]

I honestly think that Ammo will stay with us for now. We picked up next year's option so unless we trade him we've got to pay him. What I think the logic behind the option was that in 2009-2010 at the deadline when other teams are looking to get to say 50% of the cap or less so they can pick up 2 all-stars, adam will be worth his weight in gold. I honestly think next season around this time we're going to see teams trading above average players for junk that expires just to free up room to breath. I mean Imagine Dirk, LeBron and Bosh together, that could happen if a team bites the bullet and gets rid of everything of value. Then they could use exceptions and what little cap left to pick up layers and maybe even d-league all stars near min salary to put the rest of teh pieces around their big stars.

Teams like us on the other hand have junk to give and i wouldnt be shocked if we get something for just about nuttin this time next year...

This year, our best bet is to get something of value for Felton and May. I say trade May to someone who wants cap now, in return for a late first or early second round pick and maybe a project player. Felton, I'd like a veteran 1 or a good 2.

Sorry to be so long winded.

[Slam]

Hang on - The Suns have a real weakness at the point don't they? I mean, they have MVPx2, but he isn't getting any younger and they don't really have a viable back up.

How about
Felts and Hammer
for
Swish!!

They get their PG of the future who can learn under Nash for the next few years and an outside shooter to "replace" the shooting of Swish, and we get, well, we get Swish!!

DJ - Swish - Crash - Diaw - EO50

yummy

(yes I know we can't acquire Swish back this year because we traded him away, but a guy can dream can't he??)

[bobcats_express]

How about Hammer? Is he our SG of the future because he is paid like it?

lets hope not
however i really want to see this guy improve to become what he should be

[mrtarheel]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=990~2772~1994~2754~3025~2795~2 753~2776~568~3016&teams=30~22~30~30~18~30~22~18~22~18&te=&cash=

I think we can make this trade now while the players are hurt and we could get a pick from the Knicks for taking Curry and giving them expirings. Blake will provide us with a gurard that can start but will be a great help off the bench. Webster just might be our J Rich. The problem we are left with is that we are thin at the sf position. Diaw and Wallace could rotate at the 3 while Diaw could also rotate at the 4 with Okafor, Curry, Hollins, Frye and Ajinca.


Dj / Blake / Singletary
Webster / Bell / Brown
Wallace /
Diaw / Frye / Ajinca
Okafor / Curry / Hollins

This trade works for all teams, NY gets cap space and Portland needs Nazr to help Oden. Oden would benefit from some of Nazr's teaching. Pryzbilla doesn't have the low post moves like Nazr and Lee would kill it for them

[LB4President]

Dragic is the Suns point guard of the future. 6'4 great vision and reminds me of steve nash himself but obviously not quite on steves level. Portland said they are open to trade but not for core players ala blake or webster. I think they are just trying to move lafrenz expiring contract to add another player to the mix. They don't want to give up any pieces of the puzzle because that team is firing on all cylinders right now. Just beat the celtics if I am not mistaken.

I was thinking May and Felton for Ben Gordon in Chicago. Both contracts expire but Chicago will atleast have them as restricted free agents in case they do want to resign them. We all know Gordon wants to leave. Only problem is he can veto any trade. Also do you think Curry for Wallace straight up would work? They save about a million in cap for the summer of Lebron and we could slide Diaw to the three his natural position while giving Okafor a "true" center to play beside. A backdown center like Curry could really open up shooting opportunities for Carroll and Morrison.

[spectre]

Portland would hate that: they'll say Blake is > than Felton, they don't need David Lee because of Oden/LMA and Lee will want a nice payday at the end of the season. Plus they'll bitch about losing Rodriguez AND taking on Nazr's contract.

Portland fans bitch a lot!

Who needs Felton?

ATL - Bibby, but on a 1 year deal. Still, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
BOS - Rondo
CHI - Rose/Hinrich
CLE - Mo Williams/West/Gibson
DAL - Kidd on his last year.
DEN - Billups
DET - Stuckey/AI
GSW - Crawford/Ellis soon. They need a distributor...but this ship might have sailed.
HOU - Alston...maybe they need some depth? Don't know much about them.
IND - TJ
LAC - BD
LAL - Fisher/Farmar...but he's out and they're supposedly looking.
MEM - Conley/Lowry
MIA - Chalmers/Banks. Maybe. I bolded them but Chalmers has been playing well. Banks is crap tho...so maybe they need more depth?
MIL - Ridnour...they're loaded at PG
MIN - Telfair/Foye/Ollie. They've been rumored, and I can see LB wanting Ollie back in the deal as filler and it would help our depth.
NJN - Harris
NOLA - Paul
ORL - Nelson
PHI - Miller. They need an heir apparant. Plus from what I've read Miller & Brand don't work too well together...and they're keeping Brand.
PHO - Nash/Drajic...heir apparant? He's been struggling, so maybe they'd like the 1 yr tryout with Felts?
POR - Blake/Fernandez (heir apparant)/Bayless and possibly Rodriguez?
SAC - Udrih/Jackson/Brown
SAS - Parker/Vaughn. Iffy.
TOR - Calderon/Ukic/Solomon
UTJ - Williams/Knight
WAS - Arenas/James/Crit

Of course bigger deals or 3 ways could open up needs. So...strongest could be Dallas, GSW, LAL, Minny, Philly & Phoenix.

Sound about right?

[dnbman]

Portland would hate that: they'll say Blake is > than Felton, they don't need David Lee because of Oden/LMA and Lee will want a nice payday at the end of the season. Plus they'll bitch about losing Rodriguez AND taking on Nazr's contract.

Portland fans bitch a lot!

Who needs Felton?

ATL - Bibby, but on a 1 year deal. Still, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
BOS - Rondo
CHI - Rose/Hinrich
CLE - Mo Williams/West/Gibson
DAL - Kidd on his last year.
DEN - Billups
DET - Stuckey/AI
GSW - Crawford/Ellis soon. They need a distributor...but this ship might have sailed.
HOU - Alston...maybe they need some depth? Don't know much about them.
IND - TJ
LAC - BD
LAL - Fisher/Farmar...but he's out and they're supposedly looking.
MEM - Conley/Lowry
MIA - Chalmers/Banks. Maybe. I bolded them but Chalmers has been playing well. Banks is crap tho...so maybe they need more depth?
MIL - Ridnour...they're loaded at PG
MIN - Telfair/Foye/Ollie. They've been rumored, and I can see LB wanting Ollie back in the deal as filler and it would help our depth.
NJN - Harris
NOLA - Paul
ORL - Nelson
PHI - Miller. They need an heir apparant. Plus from what I've read Miller & Brand don't work too well together...and they're keeping Brand.
PHO - Nash/Drajic...heir apparant? He's been struggling, so maybe they'd like the 1 yr tryout with Felts?
POR - Blake/Fernandez (heir apparant)/Bayless and possibly Rodriguez?
SAC - Udrih/Jackson/Brown
SAS - Parker/Vaughn. Iffy.
TOR - Calderon/Ukic/Solomon
UTJ - Williams/Knight
WAS - Arenas/James/Crit

Of course bigger deals or 3 ways could open up needs. So...strongest could be Dallas, GSW, LAL, Minny, Philly & Phoenix.

Sound about right?

That was a pretty good breakdown. I'm not sure who I'd like to see come back, but there are some pretty intriguing possibilities on that list.

[LB4President]

I don't think SAS is in the marker for a point guard. George Hill is sick. Sorry as a Spurs fan I just had to point that out. But with Farmer out and Walton on the block, I would be interested in Felton for Walton if we could also do Wallace for Curry. Walton played so well with Shaq in the paint. I think he could work well with another center who plays that same style. They could make each other better the same way Diaw and Okafor raised their games together. But I would not be interested in Felton for Walton unless we got Curry. We would lose too much scoring.

[coordinator0]

Portland would hate that: they'll say Blake is > than Felton, they don't need David Lee because of Oden/LMA and Lee will want a nice payday at the end of the season. Plus they'll bitch about losing Rodriguez AND taking on Nazr's contract.

Portland fans bitch a lot!

Who needs Felton?

ATL - Bibby, but on a 1 year deal. Still, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
BOS - Rondo
CHI - Rose/Hinrich
CLE - Mo Williams/West/Gibson
DAL - Kidd on his last year.
DEN - Billups
DET - Stuckey/AI
GSW - Crawford/Ellis soon. They need a distributor...but this ship might have sailed.
HOU - Alston...maybe they need some depth? Don't know much about them.
IND - TJ
LAC - BD
LAL - Fisher/Farmar...but he's out and they're supposedly looking.
MEM - Conley/Lowry
MIA - Chalmers/Banks. Maybe. I bolded them but Chalmers has been playing well. Banks is crap tho...so maybe they need more depth?
MIL - Ridnour...they're loaded at PG
MIN - Telfair/Foye/Ollie. They've been rumored, and I can see LB wanting Ollie back in the deal as filler and it would help our depth.
NJN - Harris
NOLA - Paul
ORL - Nelson
PHI - Miller. They need an heir apparant. Plus from what I've read Miller & Brand don't work too well together...and they're keeping Brand.
PHO - Nash/Drajic...heir apparant? He's been struggling, so maybe they'd like the 1 yr tryout with Felts?
POR - Blake/Fernandez (heir apparant)/Bayless and possibly Rodriguez?
SAC - Udrih/Jackson/Brown
SAS - Parker/Vaughn. Iffy.
TOR - Calderon/Ukic/Solomon
UTJ - Williams/Knight
WAS - Arenas/James/Crit

Of course bigger deals or 3 ways could open up needs. So...strongest could be Dallas, GSW, LAL, Minny, Philly & Phoenix.

Sound about right?

Apparently Dalembert is on the block in Philly and i would love it if we could swing a deal involving Felton for him. He might not be a great scorer, but he brings great defense and shot-blocking abilities. With D.J., a future SG, Diaw, Okafor, and Dalembert I'd like that lineup.

Something like this wouldn't be bad...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~3016~991&teams=20~20~20~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E2776%7E3016%7E991&teams=20%7E20%7E20%7E30&te=&cash=)

I like this one better though...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~991&teams=20~20~30&te=&cash=

[spectre]

I don't think SAS is in the marker for a point guard. George Hill is sick. Sorry as a Spurs fan I just had to point that out. But with Farmer out and Walton on the block, I would be interested in Felton for Walton if we could also do Wallace for Curry. Walton played so well with Shaq in the paint. I think he could work well with another center who plays that same style. They could make each other better the same way Diaw and Okafor raised their games together. But I would not be interested in Felton for Walton unless we got Curry. We would lose too much scoring.

Nah, don't be sorry, that's the exact type of input I was wanting...esp. on Western teams.

I forgot NY and they should be bolded (heh...not on purpose!).

[bellringer21]

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I think we can make this trade now while the players are hurt and we could get a pick from the Knicks for taking Curry and giving them expirings. Blake will provide us with a gurard that can start but will be a great help off the bench. Webster just might be our J Rich. The problem we are left with is that we are thin at the sf position. Diaw and Wallace could rotate at the 3 while Diaw could also rotate at the 4 with Okafor, Curry, Hollins, Frye and Ajinca.


Dj / Blake / Singletary
Webster / Bell / Brown
Wallace /
Diaw / Frye / Ajinca
Okafor / Curry / Hollins

This trade works for all teams, NY gets cap space and Portland needs Nazr to help Oden. Oden would benefit from some of Nazr's teaching. Pryzbilla doesn't have the low post moves like Nazr and Lee would kill it for them

Oden would learn from Nazr? That would actually help Oden? I'd get Ewing as an assistant, talk to the Dream, maybe Barkley or Malone....Not Nazr lol. It would be like asking DJ to learn from Eddie House.....

[Slam]

DAL - Kidd on his last year.
HOU - Alston...maybe they need some depth? Don't know much about them.
LAL - Fisher/Farmar...but he's out and they're supposedly looking.
MIA - Chalmers/Banks. Maybe. I bolded them but Chalmers has been playing well. Banks is crap tho...so maybe they need more depth?
MIL - Ridnour...they're loaded at PG
MIN - Telfair/Foye/Ollie. They've been rumored, and I can see LB wanting Ollie back in the deal as filler and it would help our depth.
PHI - Miller. They need an heir apparant. Plus from what I've read Miller & Brand don't work too well together...and they're keeping Brand.
PHO - Nash/Drajic...heir apparant? He's been struggling, so maybe they'd like the 1 yr tryout with Felts?
SAS - Parker/Vaughn. Iffy.

Dal was playing Berea a lot with Kidd when Howard was out and getting good results (with Kidd at the 2)
Hou is pretty high on Brooks I think
LAL need a point who can play in the triangle and knock down 3's - two things Felts can't do
MIA has Chalmbers looking pretty good right now
Min believes heavily in Foye
PHI has Lou Williams
SAS has Hill who played really well when Parker and Manu were out

[dnbman]

Dal was playing Berea a lot with Kidd when Howard was out and getting good results (with Kidd at the 2)
Hou is pretty high on Brooks I think
LAL need a point who can play in the triangle and knock down 3's - two things Felts can't do
MIA has Chalmbers looking pretty good right now
Min believes heavily in Foye
PHI has Lou Williams
SAS has Hill who played really well when Parker and Manu were out

Phoenix and Milwaukee it is!

[Slam]

Phoenix and Milwaukee it is!
Oops!! Didn't mean to leave Mil on there! Like Spectre said, they have Ridnour and Sessions.

I just don't see a lot of teams out there who will be climbing over each other to get their hands on a mediocre PG - especially one who is essentially in a contract year and will be looking to get paid soon.

[spectre]

Dal was playing Berea a lot with Kidd when Howard was out and getting good results (with Kidd at the 2)
Hou is pretty high on Brooks I think
LAL need a point who can play in the triangle and knock down 3's - two things Felts can't do
MIA has Chalmbers looking pretty good right now
Min believes heavily in Foye
PHI has Lou Williams
SAS has Hill who played really well when Parker and Manu were out

Minny plays Foye at the 2; I went back 5 games and Ollie has been starting, and between Ollie & Telfair they're logging 40+ minutes.

Miami does have Chalmers...but that's all they have. Still, it'd be ok with me if they're left off.

PHI...I dunno. I think they see Williams as more of a scorer vs. a facilitator. On all their sites they keep talking about getting anothe PG and esp. one who can defend.

Did I leave off OKC? They have Westbrook and Watson, but Watson has said he wants out.

[SWedd523]

Minny plays Foye at the 2; I went back 5 games and Ollie has been starting, and between Ollie & Telfair they're logging 40+ minutes.

Miami does have Chalmers...but that's all they have. Still, it'd be ok with me if they're left off.

PHI...I dunno. I think they see Williams as more of a scorer vs. a facilitator. On all their sites they keep talking about getting anothe PG and esp. one who can defend.

Did I leave off OKC? They have Westbrook and Watson, but Watson has said he wants out.
PHI could use a tough PG to mix in with Andre being a little on the old side...... trade maybe?

Miami could definitely use a vet PG as that's just about the only thing holding them back, I would love to see Raymond there where he wouldn't have to dominate the ball as much with Flash so he could flourish like he did at UNC with McCants.

OKC.. I wouldn't wanna send Ray to a Sammy team like that, but if they could facilitate a nice trade for him then I'd go for it

[BobCatsFanInTx]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~3028~556~2211~2753~568&teams=30~30~4~4~23~23&te=&cash=Big Slam I mean no disrespect to you or anybody when I say this but unless this team packages some junk with a player like Gerald Wallace or one of our two new teammates, there will not be a trade taking place.

The front office of this team has to be one of the most incompetent in the league. If Larry had come on board two seasons ago it is doubtful this team would be where it is. Larry has some serious work cut out for him. If this team climbs out of the lottery I would be surprised. Actually, I hate to say it but in order for this team to add a decent piece they may be better served losing and getting a lottery pick. I have a feeling this years draft will be a weak one and talent won't be had very far out of the lottery. Gerald Wallace is probably the only player teams would be willing to trade a lottery pick for in my opinion.

All the statements above are merely my opinions unless I state otherwise. ;)

[ohara831]

You know, whenever we start talking trades, someone always pipes up with "dont make a trade for the sake of making a trade - make it only if it's a smart trade." This is correct. However, when I look at what is going on with the team, and how we lose the games we should be winning coupled with how I like the Richardson/Dudley trade for Diaw, Bell and Singletary, I've come to this conclusion: I am ready for ANY trade right now. I say that because I trust in LB and his vision of how to build a competitive team. If we make ANY moves at all, I will know that it will help us, even if at first glance I think "why this?" And if we make any moves, I can happily say "We are making progress now." And making progress and making this team better is something which will make every member of BCP very happy. And making the members of BCP happy is my wish for the 2009 New Year.

[SWedd523]

You know, whenever we start talking trades, someone always pipes up with "dont make a trade for the sake of making a trade - make it only if it's a smart trade." This is correct. However, when I look at what is going on with the team, and how we lose the games we should be winning coupled with how I like the Richardson/Dudley trade for Diaw, Bell and Singletary, I've come to this conclusion: I am ready for ANY trade right now. I say that because I trust in LB and his vision of how to build a competitive team. If we make ANY moves at all, I will know that it will help us, even if at first glance I think "why this?" And if we make any moves, I can happily say "We are making progress now." And making progress and making this team better is something which will make every member of BCP very happy. And making the members of BCP happy is my wish for the 2009 New Year.
I remember when there was a pretty big piece of BCP that disliked the Richardson trade. I think that deal is proof that we can trust in LB and his vision to build a winning product.

[TattoodCats4life]

You are so dead right. I was like "HOLY S*#T" when I saw Richardson traded to PHX, then I did a stat check and said "well if Diaw can play like he did 05-06 and Bell can put up 12-15 we'll be even, and Sean S. vs Dudley is just new talent in a package larry likes vs older talent"

All in all any trade Larry approves of involving Felton, Narz, Ammo, Carroll, May, and even Okafor would be just fine...Wallace on the other hand better bring back something just shy of an all star because that's where he is, but I'd rather like keeping him because he works well with Diaw and DJ.

[Slam]

I remember when there was a pretty big piece of BCP that disliked the Richardson trade. I think that deal is proof that we can trust in LB and his vision to build a winning product.
I still, and always will, hate that trade.

[SWedd523]

I still, and always will, hate that trade.
For any other reason than losing Richardson?

[Slam]

For any other reason than losing Richardson?
It's not that - it's just that I think we got hosed on the deal (to include Dude and our 2nd round pick was just wrong - especially considering that the Suns have pretty much given 1st round picks away for nothing over the last few years)

[SWedd523]

It's not that - it's just that I think we got hosed on the deal (to include Dude and our 2nd round pick was just wrong - especially considering that the Suns have pretty much given 1st round picks away for nothing over the last few years)
I can agree to that. Either a 2nd OR Duds, not both. But I'll take that back if Raja can prove he still has some of his old skills

[BRNC]

I can agree to that. Either a 2nd OR Duds, not both. But I'll take that back if Raja can prove he still has some of his old skills

He appears (Bell) to have lost a step so it will be tough for him to be the defender he was...as long as the FO does not extend his contract (waits until after next season since he'll be expiring) then the trade is what it is...I still think we gave too much...as for LB building a winning team (this trade as the indicator?)...well Diaw is playing way above his best year that is true...but how long does anyone think LB will keep ignoring the turn-overs he also brings...

I'm still on the fence about the trade...we're not winning any more games at this point but I'm still going to wait for 15-20 games of Bell and Diaw before I make start to firm up my opinion...

[bfer]

Diaw has played great for us. He had another all around good game for us. We need to trade Felton now, lets get a decent player in return and lets move on. I just hope we can package Nazr with him. We need to turn the keys over to DJ and pick up a decent player.

[TattoodCats4life]

Diaw has played great for us. He had another all around good game for us. We need to trade Felton now, lets get a decent player in return and lets move on. I just hope we can package Nazr with him. We need to turn the keys over to DJ and pick up a decent player.

We could only hope that MJ or LB or their assistant or something read here or realgm so they know how badly we want to make a move....I keep hearing rumors about Wallace...but I hope we keep saying no as I don't think we'll get a good enough return for him... Felton on the other hand is a statistically good PG and hopefully can return a good SG and get rid of either Ammo, Matt or Nazr with him...

[dav7z]

This trade has Wallace stamped all over it , And make great sence for the raptors.
Personally i hate it but i have a feeling its coming down.
It works on the trade checker. And does clear up some cap space . But i hate it.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56379/20090104/will_struggling_raps_move_parker_bargnani/

[davcbow]

I still, and always will, hate that trade.


I didnt like it that much but I have always understood why we did that trade and I am glad we did that trade....:cool:

[SWedd523]

How about something along the lines of: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1717~2772~3417~3204~2754~2015~ 2992~2753~2776~3016&teams=30~22~18~30~30~30~18~22~22~18&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1717%7E2772%7E3417%7E3204%7E27 54%7E2015%7E2992%7E2753%7E2776%7E3016&teams=30%7E22%7E18%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E18%7E22%7E22%7 E18&te=&cash=)


Now I'm not very creative with the trade machine but I think that's a pretty fair deal across the board.

Portland gets a PG and David Lee who they seem to want. They do lose some of their younger pieces but none of them are heavy rotation guys outside of Rudy, but that's what they have to give up to get a starter.

New York gets rid of Jared Jeffries' contract and bring in some young guys with expiring contracts if they don't work out.

We get rid of Tubby and Morrison, effectively beginning a new era in Bobcats Basketball. We get some depth at the 3 and 4 and bring in a scorer in Rudy to be our 6th man.


Wadd'a'ya think guys?

[ELEVATION]

I like that proposed trade..although i would rather have the bobcats get bayless. i think dj and bayless could grow into a dynamic duo..both r young upcoming players..but overall like the trade idea

[jstar5]

Wow, Swedd and I were on the same wavelength. I just posted this on the other thread

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3194~1717~2772~2754~2795~2211~ 2753~2776~3016&teams=30~30~22~30~30~22~18~18~18&te=&cash=

I think I like his version better though

[kickazzz2000]

Wow, Swedd and I were on the same wavelength. I just posted this on the other thread

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3194~1717~2772~2754~2795~2211~ 2753~2776~3016&teams=30~30~22~30~30~22~18~18~18&te=&cash=

I think I like his version better though

Yeah, his is better than 500 Internal Server Error :p

[SWedd523]

Wow, Swedd and I were on the same wavelength. I just posted this on the other thread

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3194~1717~2772~2754~2795~2211~ 2753~2776~3016&teams=30~30~22~30~30~22~18~18~18&te=&cash (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3194%7E1717%7E2772%7E2754%7E27 95%7E2211%7E2753%7E2776%7E3016&teams=30%7E30%7E22%7E30%7E30%7E22%7E18%7E18%7E18&te=&cash)=

I think I like his version better though
Haha thanks:biggrin:

[jstar5]

It worked when I just clicked on it, but mine had us giving up:

Felts, May, Morrison, and Carroll

and receiving:

Wilson Chandler, Webster, Frye, Jeffries

I would rather have Rudy than Webster but I just don't see the Blazers giving up Rudy

[docend24]

How about something along the lines of: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1717~2772~3417~3204~2754~2015~ 2992~2753~2776~3016&teams=30~22~18~30~30~30~18~22~22~18&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1717%7E2772%7E3417%7E3204%7E27 54%7E2015%7E2992%7E2753%7E2776%7E3016&teams=30%7E22%7E18%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E18%7E22%7E22%7 E18&te=&cash=)


Now I'm not very creative with the trade machine but I think that's a pretty fair deal across the board.

Portland gets a PG and David Lee who they seem to want. They do lose some of their younger pieces but none of them are heavy rotation guys outside of Rudy, but that's what they have to give up to get a starter.

New York gets rid of Jared Jeffries' contract and bring in some young guys with expiring contracts if they don't work out.

We get rid of Tubby and Morrison, effectively beginning a new era in Bobcats Basketball. We get some depth at the 3 and 4 and bring in a scorer in Rudy to be our 6th man.


Wadd'a'ya think guys?
I'm afraid there is no way Blazers would do it.

[spectre]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2211~2753~2399~1981~3028~3032&teams=4~4~4~30~30~30&te=&cash=

Mek/Felton/Hammer

for

Hinrich/Sefolosha/Thomas

Strengthen the 2 spot and get a backup 1. TT seems a little bit the bonehead but he's had a decent string of games lately. We save a lot of money and free up approx. 7 million in cap for '10.

[ohara831]

With the talk that Portland is wanting to trade, I would dearly love to get Bayless from them. He has fallen to 3rd on their depth charts, but he is not being given the chance to play. If we put him in as Bell's backup at the 2, I think the kid would shine. Several of us wanted him at the Draft, but I am thrilled with DJ. But Bayless would be an excellent pickup for the 2 to groom him for when Bell is gone. The only questions are would Portland give him up and is LB keen on him at all considering we passed on him at #9 in the Draft.

[coordinator0]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2211~2753~2399~1981~3028~3032&teams=4~4~4~30~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2211%7E2753%7E2399%7E1981%7E30 28%7E3032&teams=4%7E4%7E4%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

Mek/Felton/Hammer

for

Hinrich/Sefolosha/Thomas

Strengthen the 2 spot and get a backup 1. TT seems a little bit the bonehead but he's had a decent string of games lately. We save a lot of money and free up approx. 7 million in cap for '10.

I'm not entirely opposed to trading Mek but I'm almost there. I think any deal involving Mek AND Felton needs to get us a center back. Without him we have Nazr at center, and not much/anything behind him. I'd also say no to bringing in Hinrich because of his contract (It's almost the same as Mek's I think so we wouldn't be freeing up that much for 2010) and he is another PG that we don't need sitting the bench for that kind of money.

[TattoodCats4life]

I'll keep this here instead of making a new trade thread... but this is on Hoopshype.com

One team you could see entering in a deal with the Bulls would be Charlotte, and maybe you go for the defensive big man in Emeka Okafor and give them the kind of hard playing types Larry Brown would prefer like Hinrich, Nocioni, Sefolosha and maybe Noah. You might take back someone Charlotte doesn't desire like Adam Morrison (javascript:newwind('http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_090105.html?rss=true','117')). Those numbers don't work yet, but you could find something. Though that's just one potential example.

Something like this would make sense for us I think... Mek is the man, but if it brought back something like that we'd be crazy not to move.

[spectre]

^ That's where my trade idea came from.


I'm not entirely opposed to trading Mek but I'm almost there. I think any deal involving Mek AND Felton needs to get us a center back. Without him we have Nazr at center, and not much/anything behind him. I'd also say no to bringing in Hinrich because of his contract (It's almost the same as Mek's I think so we wouldn't be freeing up that much for 2010) and he is another PG that we don't need sitting the bench for that kind of money.

TT is about equal to Mek skill wise plus he has a budding 15 fter working. It appears Management thinks we still need a C (if all the rumors can be believed) with Mek...so I look at those guys as a wash in terms of need.

I've adamently argued against dealing for Hinrich, but in this particular deal we'd be losing Mek's years PLUS Hammer's. Hinrich is gone before the both of them. Financially we'd come out better.

If you want a C we can always trade Nazr/Ammo for Curry. :biggrin:

[Slam]

Here's my contribution:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~3224~3028~3032~2211~2753~2 776~2399&teams=30~30~30~30~4~4~4~4&te=&cash=

[docend24]

Okafor >










> Tyrus Thomas

[spectre]

Okafor >

> Tyrus Thomas

But is Okafor @ 10 million that much better than TT at 4 million? It gets even worse after a few years too. This would basically be a "get out of jail free" move in regards to us giving him that fat contract.

[docend24]

I don't like these types of trades but with Larry the Slam's trade could actually make us better. We would be anohter step closer to french national team btw.

I don't like much any of incoming players in that scenario it's a gamble but they could fit in Larry's system. And that def. means Singletary would have to step up as back-up pg.

[docend24]

BTW who do you want to try to get in 2010? Are you planning to keep those exBulls? (obvously not Hughes with that type of contract).

[kickazzz2000]

BTW who do you want to try to get in 2010? Are you planning to keep those exBulls? (obvously not Hughes with that type of contract).

There are so many free agents in 10, somebodys bound to sign with us!

[bfer]

guys, i dont know why we always talk about 2010. not to sound like a jerk, but i dont see any major players coming to us in 2010. we arent going to get LeBron or DWade. we dont need to dump players so we will be good in 2010, we need to win now because we arent going to get a star.

[coordinator0]

Here's my contribution:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~3224~3028~3032~2211~2753~2 776~2399&teams=30~30~30~30~4~4~4~4&te=&cash (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356%7E3224%7E3028%7E3032%7E221 1%7E2753%7E2776%7E2399&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E4%7E4%7E4%7E4&te=&cash)=

I could live with that one.

As for spectre's argument about we wouldn't lose much in rebounding with Tyrus over Emeka, that's not what I meant. Sure he may be a good rebounder, but how would a front line of Wallace, Diaw, and Thomas fare? Not very well IMO. and putting Thomas on the bench takes away from Ajincas needed minutes. As for the last part... NO TO CURRY.

[Slam]

I don't like these types of trades but with Larry the Slam's trade could actually make us better. We would be anohter step closer to french national team btw.

I don't like much any of incoming players in that scenario it's a gamble but they could fit in Larry's system. And that def. means Singletary would have to step up as back-up pg.
I envision that Hughes would actually play some back up point over Singletary.

[Slam]

BTW who do you want to try to get in 2010? Are you planning to keep those exBulls? (obvously not Hughes with that type of contract).
It's not just about targeting players in 2010, it's about getting away from some bad contracts that we currently have on the books.

In saying that, there are SO many quality players coming up in 2010 that I would think we could be a player for someone (and not just the Bosh, LBJ, Wade's etc, there are a slew of 2nd level players to target).

[Slam]

guys, i dont know why we always talk about 2010. not to sound like a jerk, but i dont see any major players coming to us in 2010. we arent going to get LeBron or DWade. we dont need to dump players so we will be good in 2010, we need to win now because we arent going to get a star.
Like the Jazz wouldn't have landed Boozer or the Hawks JJ or the Clipps Davis or the Sixers Brand etc?

It happens all the time.

[spectre]

Sure he may be a good rebounder, but how would a front line of Wallace, Diaw, and Thomas fare? Not very well IMO. and putting Thomas on the bench takes away from Ajincas needed minutes. As for the last part... NO TO CURRY.

How so? I think he is as good as Mek offensively (actually better) and we might lose some on the defensive side. Is the net loss not worth approx. 6 million for 2 years? Maybe not.


In saying that, there are SO many quality players coming up in 2010 that I would think we could be a player for someone (and not just the Bosh, LBJ, Wade's etc, there are a slew of 2nd level players to target).

There's also going to be around 18 teams with enough cap to sign a max player. We probably could get a 2nd tier guy, but I don't know if going all out and putting our hopes on '10 would be very smart.

[Muttley]

There's also going to be around 18 teams with enough cap to sign a max player. We probably could get a 2nd tier guy, but I don't know if going all out and putting our hopes on '10 would be very smart.

Well, with Slam's trade, we'd have a ton of expirings that we could use to acquire non-free agent talent before the summer. In particular, we could use Hughes for what we needed and then trade him to someone that feels they have a better shot at Top-Tier free agents that summer.

[DirtyU11]

jermaine o'neal is said to be on the trading block. he is on his last legs but this is a great chance to dump some of our bad contracts and get some real cap space for this summer and next

Felton, Nazr, May, Carroll, Morrison

for

O'neal, Solomon, Graham

Maybe with some rest O'neal can give us some down low scoring but at worst we get a vet pg to back up DJ but the most valuable asset is if we decide to let jermaine go, which we probably will with all of the players traded gone we will have $40 million dollars off the books at the end of the season. thats alot of money to get whoever we want in the offseason and we could even wait till 2010 because all of the guys we traded arent really big contibuters except maybe felton but he wont be here next year anyways. this would be a steal for us to unload and get a great player in the next year or two. our depth sucks after this but how good is it right now with all these guys on the team. Graham can play some minutes for us and we can get a pretty good player in the draft since we will most likley be in the lotto again. 8th or 9th pick maybe? seems to be the only two picks we can ever get. thoughts?

[spectre]

Well, with Slam's trade, we'd have a ton of expirings that we could use to acquire non-free agent talent before the summer. In particular, we could use Hughes for what we needed and then trade him to someone that feels they have a better shot at Top-Tier free agents that summer.

True, but if so many teams already have enough to get one...is there going to be that big of a market for expirings?

Something that should be pointed out about 2010...some guys structured their contracts (pretty sure Flash is one of them) so that they would expire before the new CBA because they're worried that the terms won't be so favorable. There's a good chance a lot of those max salary guys will be staying at home, esp. since they can offer more years and bigger increases.

[Slam]

There's also going to be around 18 teams with enough cap to sign a max player. We probably could get a 2nd tier guy, but I don't know if going all out and putting our hopes on '10 would be very smart.
Ok, but if we don't have the cap room, we aren't even in the race. Why not at the very least position ourselves to be able to put some serious offers out there? You just never know, we might just luck out and land "the one".

One thing is for sure, if we don't have the cap space, we'll never know because we wont be able to make an offer.

End of the day, it's not just about the 2010 crop of FA's. It's about shedding some of the horrible contracts we have handcuffed ourselves to and getting some flexability/options back.

[TattoodCats4life]

I agree 150% we need to shed some of these big/long contracts... Mainly Nazr (who has been playing better, but not 6 mil/year better), Carroll, Ammo (he does expire in time for 2010, but next year isnt cheap). I think keeping GW is worth while and I'd part with Meka for the right combination of players in return (just as we parted with J-Rich for the right combination of players in return). Sometimes 2 good players who become great are better than one borderline great/excellent player...

[spectre]

I certainly agree with that in general when it's crap going out and crap coming in. Capspace is always good and can be used for moves other than acquiring FAs as we well know with Richardson. I was just stating the facts about the competition and that there might not be as big a pool to draw from (I'd even say most likely) than there appears to be now.

Look how GSW panicked after they lost Baron...they now have Corey Maggette locked in for 5 freaking years. Think the Lollipop is that much smarter? Maybe LB can be a good influence and I think he will, but this team's history doesn't make me at all confident that we won't do something else totally stupid.

I'm not even totally against your trade, but I'm not too hot on the balance. We'd be asking a lot of Hughes for one thing, and him playing a big role for the next year or so would worry me. Could LB deal with him?

That's why I was willing to stomach Hinrich's deal. He's a combo like Felton but smarter...knows his limitations. He would help now and even contribute to team chemistry.

I'm also not hot on Noah and regardless we'd still need to go after more depth at the 5. We'd have to anyway, but in your deal we would be taking on an extra 2 million in salary instantly; in mine we were losing 3 million. Unless I'm mistaken that'd get us a trade exception...another asset in getting a good deal.

[kickazzz2000]

jermaine o'neal is said to be on the trading block. he is on his last legs but this is a great chance to dump some of our bad contracts and get some real cap space for this summer and next

Felton, Nazr, May, Carroll, Morrison

for

O'neal, Solomon, Graham

Maybe with some rest O'neal can give us some down low scoring but at worst we get a vet pg to back up DJ but the most valuable asset is if we decide to let jermaine go, which we probably will with all of the players traded gone we will have $40 million dollars off the books at the end of the season. thats alot of money to get whoever we want in the offseason and we could even wait till 2010 because all of the guys we traded arent really big contibuters except maybe felton but he wont be here next year anyways. this would be a steal for us to unload and get a great player in the next year or two. our depth sucks after this but how good is it right now with all these guys on the team. Graham can play some minutes for us and we can get a pretty good player in the draft since we will most likley be in the lotto again. 8th or 9th pick maybe? seems to be the only two picks we can ever get. thoughts?


I don't hate that. Again, it depends what we could get in 2010, but were really not giving anything up except for Felton, whom we would probably lose this summer anyway...

[jstar5]

Typically, to unload a bad contract in a trade the other team has to feel that they are getting the better end of the deal talent-wise.

I personally, would prefer to see us be savvy enough in the trade market to assist other teams with 2010 cap space by taking on some of there longer contracts while stealing some talent from them in the process.

I don't have any specific examples and I'm not even sure the opportunity exists but I just think that would be the smarter way to build our team in to a year-in and year-out competitor. Rather, than lose out on the 2010 market.

Big Slam's argument is a good one, in that we have to have the cap space to even know if we can be a player in the market, I just don't believe we can. I think Spectre is correct in that most of the top-tier and 2nd-tier guys will re-sign with their respective teams.

Random story, I play NBA 2k9, I started an Association with the Knicks, made a ton of trades for 2010 cap space and simulated 2 seasons. Much to my surprise (or disappointment) all of the big names re-signed with their teams prior to even hitting the free agent market. I think reality might imitate art on that one.

[LB4President]

I think at this point we don't need to do anything too drastic. The J-Rich trade did alot to reshape the face of this team, and now I just think it is appropriate to sorta finish what Larry Brown started. He needs players that can play his style. Felton, Carroll, Morrison aren't necessarily bad players but they won't be as successful as they could be if they are stuck here under Brown. My suggestion is to package Felton and Carroll for two "Larry Brown" players. I can't speculate who that would be, but this way Felton makes the package interesting, Carroll's contract gives us room to absorb a larger contract if necessary, and we rid ourselves of these two. I might hang on to Morrison because an expiring contract next season is gonna be a hot commodity come trade deadline.

Sidenote: Is felton and change for Salmons and change realistic? To me that seems like Sacramento is getting hosed, but everyone keeps bring it up. I would love to get him and take Kenny Thomas's contract if they took Felton and some of our bloated salaries.

[TattoodCats4life]

Does anyone think that with 2 weaker opponents (cross fingers) upcoming that maybe we'll make a move in the next 36 hours so that we'd have the new guys in before the end of the road trip?

[BRNC]

Does anyone think that with 2 weaker opponents (cross fingers) upcoming that maybe we'll make a move in the next 36 hours so that we'd have the new guys in before the end of the road trip?

Not sure about your 36 hr. window...but Ray and Morrison both have had (and continue to) their names floated in trades...I think there are 4-6 teams that would like to have Ray but know (at this point) they'll have to eat one of our bad contracts...problem is (with the Kings) we might have to take one back like Thomas but his is shorter so would still work to our advantage...problem is Salmons is a SF and we need a 2 or 4-5 not a 3...

[ohara831]

We were talking on RGM about the possibility of Felton and S. Brown to Sac to get us Salmons. If Sac would do that deal, I'd be a little surprised, but very happy. I'd love Salmons here to be a starting 2 and bring Raja off the bench.

[TattoodCats4life]

I'm not sure who we'd bring in, but it feels like Felton and Ammo would go (especially with the minutes being given and his spurt of good play). It just feels like a good day to trade, if we hold now I'd say we'll hold until we're home for a few days (of course when someone says okay, you either pull the trigger or not, you don't risk your player getting injured in another game, you just deal with short handed games).

[uncballer1288]

On realgm.com there's an article that says the bulls will take anything (except long-term contracts) in exchange for Larry Hughes. I think he would be a great fit at SG and let Raja Bell come off the bench and be our 6th man. Here's a possible trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2776~568~3016~356~741&teams=4~4~4~30~30&te=&cash=

But i don't think they will want Nazr's contract on the books. Anyone else have other trade ideas to get Hughes?

[JamieMcNeill]

On realgm.com there's an article that says the bulls will take anything (except long-term contracts) in exchange for Larry Hughes. I think he would be a great fit at SG and let Raja Bell come off the bench and be our 6th man. Here's a possible trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2776~568~3016~356~741&teams=4~4~4~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2776%7E568%7E3016%7E356%7E741&teams=4%7E4%7E4%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

But i don't think they will want Nazr's contract on the books. Anyone else have other trade ideas to get Hughes?

very interesting..

[TattoodCats4life]

I have a wild suggestion, we send May and Felton to Portland, get a GREAT player from Portland on the condition that we sign Miles and do not play him this season. I'm sure saving them all the $$ (18 mil for his contract, plus dollar for dollar what it puts them in the tax) let alone blowing their 2009/2010 cap space for free agents would be worth someone FANTASTIC like Frenandez or something.

[TattoodCats4life]

We could do this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3417~2015~2992~2753~2776&teams=30~30~22~22~22&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3417%7E2015%7E2992%7E2753%7E27 76&teams=30%7E30%7E22%7E22%7E22&te=&cash=) Although I'd rather get Rudy F. Then we sign and don't play Miles... practice him hard, and see if he can play next year for us. I think we may even be able to steal a second round pick...Portland is pretty desperate to not have to pay this guy's contract. This one's better but less likely unless they are really REALLY crazy to not pay that contract http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2015~3027~2992~2753~2776&teams=30~30~22~22~22&te=&cash=

[Mustachio]

I think they would pay his contract 3 times over rather than give up Brandon Roy. that aint happening. and I really don't think they would be that interested in giving up Outlaw. not for Felton and May at least.

[krazyrumpshaker]

I have a wild suggestion, we send May and Felton to Portland, get a GREAT player from Portland on the condition that we sign Miles and do not play him this season. I'm sure saving them all the $$ (18 mil for his contract, plus dollar for dollar what it puts them in the tax) let alone blowing their 2009/2010 cap space for free agents would be worth someone FANTASTIC like Frenandez or something.
I think that is a pretty good idea, we can kinda hold them hostage like they are trying to do with everyone else right now. They came out and said that if you pick up Miles and play him then they are going to sue. That is just a downright threat to the rest of the league. Almost makes me want to do it just to piss them off.

[TattoodCats4life]

Krazy thats my point... I wouldn't even care too much what we get back as long as we get 1 good player for Felton and May... but their salaries are hard to work with as they all have low salaries and we need to do 2:1 (as we shouldnt get stuck waiving someone, thats their deal)...

We could do this though http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2776~3416~3204&teams=22~30~30&te=&cash=

They'd have to give some cash considerations, being we're going to have to waive 2 players (S. Brown and Juwan would be cheapest).

Like I said their salary structure over there is VERY difficult to work with and I don't have time to play 3 team trades right now... but this is something we should REALLY consider talking to them about as we can eat the spot anyway, as May certainly isnt coming off inactive anytime soon... and later Miles could stay with us and we have a backup on the 3 spot for GW.

[TattoodCats4life]

I think they would pay his contract 3 times over rather than give up Brandon Roy. that aint happening. and I really don't think they would be that interested in giving up Outlaw. not for Felton and May at least.


Well they'd be paying him for 2 years worth of play all in one year... its 18 mil in addition to current salary.

Per http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm they are at 70.5 mil, so that'd be 88.5 mil, which is quite a bit beyond the 71.15 mil tax line.

Essentially, someone playing him 2 games is going to cost them 18 mil in salary and 17.35 Mil into the tax pot. Honestly I think that would put them up with Cleveland and Dallas, that's some big money.

So essentially by not making any move needed (including Roy) they'd be saying that the player required to make it happen (in your case Roy) is worth $35 million/year to that team... That's hard to believe. Kobe, LeBron, *MAYBE* KG or RA in green, but not Roy...He's a 8/10 not a 10/10 player.

That being said I think they'd come back with a "We would do this trade. <insert their players>" instead and we'd probably work something out...but we're going to win in that deal, besides being limited to 14 playable players and paying someone not to play.

[coordinator0]

Guys, their owner isn't exactly hurting for money. I don't think that idea would work because I'd REALLY have a hard time seeing Pritchard making a dumb move just to save Paul Allen some cash. As for Tattood's proposed trades, I don't see them giving up ANY of their young players anytime soon. This includes Bayless, Fernandez, and Batum. Brandon Roy may be completely untouchable, I can't see them trading a guy that good on and off the court for crap, which is what Felton is compared to Roy. The guys I could see them letting go of are Frye, Outlaw, Blake, Webster, and maybe even Pryzbilla.

[krazyrumpshaker]

Guys, their owner isn't exactly hurting for money. I don't think that idea would work because I'd REALLY have a hard time seeing Pritchard making a dumb move just to save Paul Allen some cash. As for Tattood's proposed trades, I don't see them giving up ANY of their young players anytime soon. This includes Bayless, Fernandez, and Batum. Brandon Roy may be completely untouchable, I can't see them trading a guy that good on and off the court for crap, which is what Felton is compared to Roy. The guys I could see them letting go of are Frye, Outlaw, Blake, Webster, and maybe even Pryzbilla.
Ohh, to have Portland's problems. They have so much young talent on that team that at some point they are going to have to trade several good players. They will not be able to resign everyone to contracts they will probably deserve in a few years. There are just too much talent on that team.

[coordinator0]

Ohh, to have Portland's problems. They have so much young talent on that team that at some point they are going to have to trade several good players. They will not be able to resign everyone to contracts they will probably deserve in a few years. There are just too much talent on that team.

I know what you mean. I don't thin I've ever seen a team with as much "potential" as the Blazers do now, and they've got it at every position. I'm jealous...

[LB4President]

Was Felton coming off the bench in order to provide a boost of the bench much like Ginobili in San Antonio? I heard something about starting Singletary because he was from Phili, but I don't know. I didn't see the game, but if Singletary held his own then I would be even more for trading Felton.

[TattoodCats4life]

Was Felton coming off the bench in order to provide a boost of the bench much like Ginobili in San Antonio? I heard something about starting Singletary because he was from Phili, but I don't know. I didn't see the game, but if Singletary held his own then I would be even more for trading Felton.

2 pts 3 assists 1 reb and -1 in 8:30...(dont count the +/-, nazr was the only + on the whole team)...I'd say he did well enough...but of course seeing how poorly felton played (too many poor shots and bad decisions) I've been on the trade felton wagon for quite a while...

[LB4President]

At this point I am starting to think why care? I mean it is do or die time and we are losing to Phili without Brand. Honestly the fact that management is not willing to shake things up at this point sorta looks like "don't worry we will get them next year". We are still losing games. This is a losing team. Why isn't anything being done about it? This is the first time in the year where tanking doesn't seem so bad. Play the rookies for experience and try to get more lotto balls because they obviously aren't too concerned with winning more games this season.

[docend24]

It can sound strange but i think we need frontcourt depth. We basically have 5 men backcourt rotation - Dj, Lil Sean, Raymond, Raja and Hammer; and 5 men frontcourt rotation - Crash, Boris, Emeka, Juwan and Nazr; with Ammo inconsistent minutes from bench and alexis playing only in garbage time and Brown, Hollins and of course May on injury list. The bad thing is that we have no response when Crash is not producing points and Diaw has an off gama liek he had against Sixers. I wanted Juwan play more that game (he should replace Boris sooner imho) and maybe we could gamble on Ammo having an on game, send him in and let him shoot treys. I mean athletic forward to back up Crash and Boris, more Sf type could help.

[LB4President]

Yet another reason to hate May at this point. You are absolutely correct about front court depth, but May was supposed to provide some of that this season. I think he is happy to sit in street clothes and collect three million dollars. Who can blame him? But I am just so frustrated with the Bobcats this season. And what makes it worse is looking at our salary cap we have no flexibility this offseason and a weak draft. We are gonna be stuck with this team for atleast another season.

[TattoodCats4life]

Yet another reason to hate May at this point. You are absolutely correct about front court depth, but May was supposed to provide some of that this season. I think he is happy to sit in street clothes and collect three million dollars. Who can blame him? But I am just so frustrated with the Bobcats this season. And what makes it worse is looking at our salary cap we have no flexibility this offseason and a weak draft. We are gonna be stuck with this team for atleast another season.

I'm honestly of the school of thought that we need to dump 6-7 players and start over... Maybe we'd need to trade some higher end players (Like Mek) but in the end we could do well with deeper bench than a few strong players and nothing else...

[JamieMcNeill]

I'm honestly of the school of thought that we need to dump 6-7 players and start over... Maybe we'd need to trade some higher end players (Like Mek) but in the end we could do well with deeper bench than a few strong players and nothing else...

if we trade mek i swear...
that would just be ridiculous unless it was an amazing trade for us

[TattoodCats4life]

if we trade mek i swear...
that would just be ridiculous unless it was an amazing trade for us

I was thinking something along the lines of Mek (a 9/10) and Felton (a 6/10) and say Carroll (a 5/10 wing with a rough contract) for an 8/10 SG, 7/10 center with room for growth and a "should have retired already" PG who used to be 7-8/10 but can only play 10-15 min otherwise would get hurt too easily.

Just as the J-rich (9/10) for Diaw (6/10 in PHX with room to grow, playing 8/10 here) and Bell (6/10 was 8/10) was criticized but now im sure most of us would do it again...

[SWedd523]

I was thinking something along the lines of Mek (a 9/10) and Felton (a 6/10) and say Carroll (a 5/10 wing with a rough contract) for an 8/10 SG, 7/10 center with room for growth and a "should have retired already" PG who used to be 7-8/10 but can only play 10-15 min otherwise would get hurt too easily.

Just as the J-rich (9/10) for Diaw (6/10 in PHX with room to grow, playing 8/10 here) and Bell (6/10 was 8/10) was criticized but now im sure most of us would do it again...
I have a hard time believing Felts is only a 6/10 if Carroll gets a 5/10?

[JamieMcNeill]

I have a hard time believing Felts is only a 6/10 if Carroll gets a 5/10?

agreeed.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggr in:

[TattoodCats4life]

I have a hard time believing Felts is only a 6/10 if Carroll gets a 5/10?

Good point. Matt 4.5/10, Felton 6.8/10

[spectre]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/01/11/nelson_thinks_you_should_believe_in_magic/?page=2


An NBA source said a three-team trade is in the works that would include Oklahoma City sending guard Earl Watson to Charlotte, Dallas sending center DeSagana Diop to Charlotte, and Charlotte guard Raymond Felton going to Dallas.

Those pieces alone don't work at all; the article doesn't even mention who would be going to OKC. It also doesn't work if you re-direct either to OKC.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~802~1027~1731~2753~568&teams=30~25~30~6~6~25&te=&cash=

This does work...but I'm having a hard time figuring out why OKC would take Nazr (Ammo does NOT work as a substitute, nor does Hammer).

[Slam]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/01/11/nelson_thinks_you_should_believe_in_magic/?page=2



Those pieces alone don't work at all; the article doesn't even mention who would be going to OKC. It also doesn't work if you re-direct either to OKC.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~802~1027~1731~2753~568&teams=30~25~30~6~6~25&te=&cash=

This does work...but I'm having a hard time figuring out why OKC would take Nazr (Ammo does NOT work as a substitute, nor does Hammer).
I hate this idea for us. We'd want to be getting a pick as well.

[spectre]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2006~1027~3469~1731~2753~2 776~3016&teams=30~25~30~30~6~6~6~25&te=&cash=

This one looks a little better:

Dallas:

OUT - Howard/Diop

IN - McMay/Wilcox/Felton/One of the 2 1sts OKC owns that isn't theirs

They cut McMay. We're near the half of the season so it's only like 1.1 million. Cuban can afford that easily.

OKC:

Out - Wilcox/Watson/White (Kyle Weaver works here too)/1st rd pick (OKC)
IN - Morrsion/Howard/

Charlotte:

Out - Felton/Morrison/McMay
IN - Watson/Diop/White (or Weaver)

Does this make more sense?

[spectre]

I hate this idea for us. We'd want to be getting a pick as well.

I'm not so high on that either. We could probably re-sign Felton for what Watson makes and Felton is better, has a better work ethic, is FIVE years younger...damn I could just go on and on.

The net for the FO would obviously be Diop, and there were rumors we had big interest in him before he signed that big deal. Does he really give us that much more than Nazr? And in my last version we don't even get rid of Nazr! I really don't see OKC taking him on as they've been all about getting rid of longer contracts.

Sounds just like a typical Lollipop move doesn't it.

[TattoodCats4life]

Got this to go

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~802~1027~1731~2753~2776~30 16&teams=30~25~30~6~6~25~25&te=&cash=

You could probably also sub Hammer for Ammo, and yeah they'd have to waive May but it makes the trade work.

[spectre]

Got this to go

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~802~1027~1731~2753~2776~30 16&teams=30~25~30~6~6~25~25&te=&cash=

You could probably also sub Hammer for Ammo, and yeah they'd have to waive May but it makes the trade work.

^ Good job. That's probably it if there's any legs to this rumor.

Still, I don't get why they'd want Ammo's 2nd year? They save like a million bucks between him and Watson, and most likely they could get an expiring for him if they wanted.

[TattoodCats4life]

^ Good job. That's probably it if there's any legs to this rumor.

Still, I don't get why they'd want Ammo's 2nd year? They save like a million bucks between him and Watson, and most likely they could get an expiring for him if they wanted.

Maybe they want him because a startable SF who can put up 10 ppg (with work and time) might be better than what they've got... Or maybe they want Matt who has a declining contract, and can put 3's in from the wing like no one's business when he's hot...and with Matt they can trade him next year or the following year pretty easily as his contract is something like 5 mil 4.5 mil 4 mil, 4 mil 3.5 mil, its actually the oddest contract i've seen lately. Also, don't forget they can trade <insert player here> alone again before the deadline.

[TattoodCats4life]

I think this is the best version I could come up with and stay within the bounds of salary cap...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2761~802~1027~1731~2211~27 53~2776&teams=30~30~25~30~6~25~6~25&te=&cash=

[spectre]

Maybe they want him because a startable SF who can put up 10 ppg (with work and time) might be better than what they've got... Or maybe they want Matt who has a declining contract, and can put 3's in from the wing like no one's business when he's hot...and with Matt they can trade him next year or the following year pretty easily as his contract is something like 5 mil 4.5 mil 4 mil, 4 mil 3.5 mil, its actually the oddest contract i've seen lately. Also, don't forget they can trade <insert player here> alone again before the deadline.

I doubt it. No matter how much we want to think he's near to turning the corner there's no escaping how he's perceived around the league.

Still, they're going to have LOADS of space this offseason (only about 23 million guaranteed assuming they take the option on Green) so could be they're willing to take the chance.

There is absolutely no way they'd want Hammer's contract. Just no way. They have 3 1st round picks this year; if they want a shooter they can get one that way.

[TattoodCats4life]

I doubt it. No matter how much we want to think he's near to turning the corner there's no escaping how he's perceived around the league.

Still, they're going to have LOADS of space this offseason (only about 23 million guaranteed assuming they take the option on Green) so could be they're willing to take the chance.

There is absolutely no way they'd want Hammer's contract. Just no way. They have 3 1st round picks this year; if they want a shooter they can get one that way.

All very good points... So likely its Ammo they'd try...

[Slam]

Sounds just like a typical Lollipop move doesn't it.
Yup. I'm bracing myself for a very unpleasant couple of weeks.

I don't like Watson at all and I don't like Diop at all.

[Ampsportsduo]

This trade shows why demanding a trade NOW! can be a bad idea.

[LB4President]

If it is Felton for Watson and an OKC first rounder I am happy. He is a servicable guard with a contract expiring in 2010. But we need to get a pick in the deal. I don't know about getting Diop. His contract is huge and long. It would depend on the other pieces involved, but I think he is a solid big.

[ohara831]

Let me ask you guys. We need more scoring so we need a starting SG who can fill up the basket. Is anyone interested in Ben Gordon? He's a pure a SG as there is, and avg. over 20 pts a game and he's only 25. We need scoring, and Chicago is apparently wanting to get him out. He would have to consent to a trade as BYC involved and in last year of Contract. Just wondering if the team knew we could get him from Chicago and he would sign with us long term, is anyone interested?

[polarcat]

i like gordons style of play, his scoring mentality and his link with emeka would be a good thing. however, if he was brought in as our sg, we would be the very definition of small ball. dj-gordon-wallace-diaw-okafor would be the most undersized starting lineup in the league. each player except wallace would be a good 2 inches or so shorter than the ideal height at their respective position. that's not to say it couldn't work, but in the long term i do think there would be too many disadvantageous mismatches against teams. granted, i want harden out of asu and he's only 6'5", but i think with our core lineup, that is the minimum for our next sg.

[spectre]

Let Gordon Walk - RGM Chicago Board (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=871013)

Interesting thread on the Bulls' board about how Gordon plays and his fit with Rose.

[TattoodCats4life]

Rip's not happy...

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56596/20090114/rip_hamilton_unhappy_in_detroit/

Lets steal him and give the pistons some cap space so they can afford to keep AI (shh..thats just how we sell them May, Felton and S. Brown for Rip).

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

interesting,...but the article is a suggestion of how Rip must feel..do we know if he has openly expressed his frustration?

that would be big time to get him..don't see it happening

[ohara831]

Spectre: It is interesting how the fans dislike him, despite his scoring. I would think if Okafor had a good relationship with him, that could be used by LB to keep him in sync with the LB gameplan and how he could fit with Charlotte. That is just a lot of points from the SG position, and we need it. Diaw is handling the PF slot just fine for us, so my concern is scoring.

Polarcat: I'm a big fan of Harden also, but odds are against us getting a Top 3 pick. Also, have to watch how some college scorer's games dont translate to the NBA game. Think of Ammo and how difficult it has been for him. I and many others wanted Bayless from AZ when he fell to us in the last draft, but look at him struggling with his ability to score at the NBA level. His % is horrid. He went 1/11 last night in the Portland blowout loss. Sometimes, these solid college scorers just cannot seem to find their shot at the NBA level when they have an NBA defense against them and not a regular college defense. I've learned to be a little more cautious after being infuriated we let Bayless slip by, and now I am thankful we took DJ.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

on a second thought, any discussions about potential SG (gordon/hamilton) should also take into consideration that we have Bell here..would he mind coming off the bench? not sure if he was doing this already in PHO

also, we would need to get rid of Carroll/Ammo

[TattoodCats4life]

How's about this one...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~568~3016~3204~2754~4 54~2015&teams=22~22~22~22~30~30~30~30&te=&cash=

Makes sense as Portland wants Felton and they want to get rid of the big contract of Raef (which falls off this summer). They also get a mostly expiring bunch from us.

We get a 5 who may or may not play, eat the contract, A KILLER 2 guard, a fairly good backup to wallace on the 3 and a fair/average 4.

They get a great (in their eyes) 1 guard, a 5 who is getting better again (ha!) and a 3 who is young and "local" and may improve in time. Oh and a tub of lard to make soap with. All those going to portland except Adam expire this year, and adam expires the following.

This could be the smartest move available for Ray.

[krazyrumpshaker]

regarding the blazers, how does the Darius Miles situation impact them? i know that they will have to pay somthing like 18 million to a player that isnt even on their team anymore, but does it make them more likely to try and trade people to recoup some of that money. i really dont know or understand the implications of miles playing the necessary games and am just trying to see what they are going to have to do now.

[TattoodCats4life]

regarding the blazers, how does the Darius Miles situation impact them? i know that they will have to pay somthing like 18 million to a player that isnt even on their team anymore, but does it make them more likely to try and trade people to recoup some of that money. i really dont know or understand the implications of miles playing the necessary games and am just trying to see what they are going to have to do now.

From what I've read 1 more game and they owe him the balance of his contract, $18mil payable immediately, and on the current salary cap. So it will actually cost them $18mil and push them about 15 mil over the tax line, so they'll pay $15mil in taxes unless they can unload some players (and only Memphis really has room i think to take players without sending something out). But I think they make just suck it up to a mistake someone in the FO made and move along with emptier pockets.

[spectre]

Nah, they won't be forced to trade players; they'll just have to pay the 1 for 1 luxury tax hit this year (9 million...money formerly paid by insurance to Miles + 9 million penalty for being over the limit). They'll also be on the books for another 9 million next season, but they should still have about 10 million under the cap.

Paul Allen is their owner and he was ranked #12 in "400 Richest Americans" this past year. This will keep them from bringing in yet more quality players...but financially he can afford it.

[TattoodCats4life]

Nah, they won't be forced to trade players; they'll just have to pay the 1 for 1 luxury tax hit this year (9 million...money formerly paid by insurance to Miles + 9 million penalty for being over the limit). They'll also be on the books for another 9 million next season, but they should still have about 10 million under the cap.

Paul Allen is their owner and he was ranked #12 in "400 Richest Americans" this past year. This will keep them from bringing in yet more quality players...but financially he can afford it.


Yeah, he sure can afford it, as long as those stocks don't tank it up too much, and he doesn't buy another submarine :)... Honestly, if i had 500-600 mil burning a hole in my pocket, I think I'd buy the cats and after another season or two I'd try to bring back the Cougars name as the WNBA partner (cant go with sting, it just dont make sense now).

[ohara831]

But if we can get Portland to play, perhaps we can get Batum from them and add another fine Frenchman to the team. From a marketing standpoint, the Cats jersey's and other paraphernalia would sell like crazy and make Bob and MJ more $. Hell, with 20% of our team being from France, all the NBA fans there will be pulling for the Cats, buying Bobcat gear and tuning in to the games. The Cats could probably sell TV rights to a French station for only France and rake in some more $. And that means more fans here at BCP, too! Then Bob and MJ might be more happy to open the wallets for FA's!

[BETCATS]

how about this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3410~568~3016~1966&teams=5~5~5~30&te=&cash=

[davcbow]

how about this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3410~568~3016~1966&teams=5~5~5~30&te=&cash=

As if that would ever in a million years happen...:cool:

[BETCATS]

yeah i didnt see the 'Humorus Trade Thread' so i put it here. My bad. This ( http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~2211~2776~3016&teams=30~4~4~4&te=&cash= ) could actually happen thanks to this:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-09-bulls-chicagojan09,0,3372580.story

[TattoodCats4life]

yeah i didnt see the 'Humorus Trade Thread' so i put it here. My bad. This ( http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~2211~2776~3016&teams=30~4~4~4&te=&cash (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356%7E2211%7E2776%7E3016&teams=30%7E4%7E4%7E4&te=&cash)= ) could actually happen thanks to this:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-09-bulls-chicagojan09,0,3372580.story

That is a possibility, I'd do that one for sure to get rid of the long contract, the wasted draft pick and the blob...

[BIGCatBobcat]

Realistically, are the Bobcats really just one trade away from being in the playoffs?

[ohara831]

Realistically, are the Bobcats really just one trade away from being in the playoffs?

If it was the right player(s), I really do believe the answer is yes.

[BETCATS]

Realistically, are the Bobcats really just one trade away from being in the playoffs?


Maybe even with our current line up and a win streak, we would make it. But wouldnt we loose our first round pick if we got in?

[teej]

yea but this draft is weak enough that we could lose a 1st rounder and not miss out...1 less bust anyway

[BETCATS]

yea but this draft is weak enough that we could lose a 1st rounder and not miss out...1 less bust anyway

idk about that. 9th seed in the east is what i would like to see, but i would probolay deficate in my pants if we made the playoffs.

[ohara831]

I know we would lose our 1st to Denver. But honestly, if we made the Playoffs, I'd deal with it happily. Just to shut the mouths of all those so called experts, like the crowd at ESPN, who dont think we can leapfrog the teams ahead of us. We are not even to the half way point, and only 3.5 games out. How are we out of it? I just want to see them eat crow. But of course, they will downplay any achievement of the Bobcats and just say that we are 1st round fodder for the top seed. But by God, if we make it for the first time, yes, I'll be happy just to have made it. LB for coach of the year.

[dav7z]

I havn't played the trade game very much lately so hear is a few trades i don't want no part of .
1st Felton and Nazz for Watson and Diop , In my openion our frunt office is crazy to even think it . Diop has three years left making as much as Nazz per year averaging less than 3ppg and 3rpg He just puts us futher into cap hell. Watson at over 6 milion per year how in the hell does that equal to Felton .

2nd Hughes for expirings 2 years at over 24 milion left is just more cap hell . Hes complaining about no playing time . 24 milion to keep a beanch warm is steep.

3rd If trading can't net us a nice starting two or at least net us very contract frindly rotation players and or 1st round picks i say stay with with what we have. It's no way i want us trading for others trash.

Golden State might be a decent trade partner

Maggs and Randolph, and Williams for Felton , Carroll and May.

First we do this for debth Maggs at 19ppg would be a nice scoring punch as a sixth man . Next we get a unproven Williams with a nice contract who could be a nice point with a [coach] Randolph the up and coming value of the contract has abilitys to become somthing special.
Why they do it first to unload Maggs they hate him though i belive Brown could make him very porductive. Cap space they save a ton from Maggs contract .
They put in Randolph to give us reason to trade . Williams as a filler .
So we give up Felts and gain Maggs , Randolph , Williams.


Next Portland has plenty of nice pieces but we have to be careful of, Pritchard.
All so i think the Clippers with al the money and contracts invested are ready for favorable contracts whitch brings players like Kamann and Camby into play by the trade deadline.

But if it's not favorable for us we should not trade .

[TattoodCats4life]

I like the idea of trading with GSW to get Magg and Randolph..

DJ/SS/Williams
Bell/Magg/S. Brown
GW/Juwan(3 or 4)/Ammo
Diaw/Randolph/Ajinca
Mek/Hollins/Nazr (IN THAT ORDER MR. BROWN)

It's well enough, keeps up the 3 1 guards larry likes, gives us depth at 2, new talent at 4, and leaves the hole we have at 3 untouched (GW keeps it full, but we lose him for a few weeks and we're going to wish we had a suitable backup).

[teej]

if we lost gforce magg could play the 3, hes done it b4...and that would give brown more time and ss could be a combo for the time gw was out

love the idea...cept i dont want to give up carroll but id do it../

[kickazzz2000]

Portland showcasing Bayless? 17 PTS already tonight

[dav7z]

Maggs could play both the three and two . Hes a solid 6.6 and very athelitic. And i think Brown could get somthing out of him on the court. I all so think Brown could be a big help to Williams, and Randolph

I think this is a realistic trade for both sides . With Golden State getting out of Maggs contract would be hudge for them.


A trade like this gives us young core talent a scoring sixth man ., debth and makes our chances better to have a solid seed in the playoffs.


Somthing like this would be much better than the Diop deal ? THOUGHTS

[TattoodCats4life]

Honestly if we made the trade proposed here I'd say we're a lock for the playoffs, and likely wouldn't seed 8th (6th is a lot more wins than 7th, but 7th is only 2 games off 8th last I looked).

[TattoodCats4life]

All I can say is hopefully Felton plays VERY VERY excellent against the Blazers and they decide they want him, or GSW or Kings... I really didn't like the 3 way with Dallas and OKC, but from what the rumors were it felt like we were VERY close to pulling the trigger, and that DJ's injury kinda saved the day. I think when we go back to dangling Felton we will likely get more interest as the deadline will be closer and Felton has played VERY well since DJ has been out.

I don't mind trading anyone except wallace, as long as it brings back an overall plus for us. A vet 1 and a good 2 for Felton and filler is fine, to trade Mek (which I doubt) we'd have to get a proven awesome 5 and quite frankly not many are keeping up with Mek (Howard clearly but he's not exactly available, and Tim Duncan isnt either). Mek would probably need to bring back a great 5 and a good/great something else to be worth trading, but BYC makes it difficult.

[ohara831]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/475713.html

So, only Okafor is "untouchable" and everyone else is available if the trade helps us. Interesting to know.

[TattoodCats4life]

That article says too who is likely to go, in a roundabout way.

Consider this team won more in its past 14 games (8-6) than its previous 25 (7-18 ). That's about the additions of Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Howard and Sean Singletary, plus the development of Emeka Okafor, Gerald Wallace and Raymond Felton.

Those guys are more likely to stay, unless they are the needed piece to make a move happen.

[ohara831]

You know, we just won 3 in a row, and 4 of 6. We get Diop for the Spurs game Monday. Although we are in need of SG help, I gotta think we go D-League. Because the only pieces worth talking about right now might be Ammo, May, Nazr, etc.. With the chemistry this team is building, I'm kinda afraid of messing with it by trading out any starters, especially either Felton or Crash. Even if it's for a solid SG, it could very well backfire. I am getting more inclined to think any trade may be small because unless we trade a starter, we are not going to get any significant SG back.

[TattoodCats4life]

You know, we just won 3 in a row, and 4 of 6. We get Diop for the Spurs game Monday. Although we are in need of SG help, I gotta think we go D-League. Because the only pieces worth talking about right now might be Ammo, May, Nazr, etc.. With the chemistry this team is building, I'm kinda afraid of messing with it by trading out any starters, especially either Felton or Crash. Even if it's for a solid SG, it could very well backfire. I am getting more inclined to think any trade may be small because unless we trade a starter, we are not going to get any significant SG back.

You are correct, I'd rather keep everyone we have, except maybe May..Even Ammo is starting to play better of late... I posted in the "what to do with the roster spot" forum a link to the top 30 D League hopefuls, and top on that list is Coby Carl, basically another Matt Carroll, but probably more developed just from having worked as a Laker... There is also a guy on our own skyforce, Gary Forbes, who is listed as a SF, but his draft card shows that he'd be a combo 2/3 in the NBA...here's specs

PPG 16.5
RPG 4.80
APG 2.0
EFF + 14.00

Not stellar, especially when converted 2:1 for DL to NBA ratio (give or take), but probably pretty solid, and I'd like to have a big 2 guard because we have such small 1 guards.

[ohara831]

Tattoo:

I thought about our situation more this morning. What concerns me is I dont want to lose any of our starting 5. But we just brought in Diop who is going to count significantly against our salary in the next few years. Given that we have long term commitments to the other 4 starters, CAN we sign Ray for the next few years? He will be Unrestricted and command what we may not be able to pay. We may actually HAVE to trade him if we dont want to risk losing him for nothing at season's end! Ray may want to give us a home team discount, but if he feels he may not be starting here with us having DJ, and he could start elsewhere as well as get more money, he's gonna go like any of us would do. Can't blame him for it. If that is the case, at least he is playing dymamite ball right now and that only increases his value. The FO may feel they have no option but to package him in a deal with May or Nazr or Ammo for an established SG who can give us 17-20 PPG. I'd understand if it was the economics behind it. I just hope it would not crush our chemistry. Very tough call for the FO right now. I wont blame them for going either way, as long as it they made a trade we got equal value.

[uncballer1288]

Here's a thought.....why don't we NOT trade Felton. We have been playing great recently with him in the lineup, so I think we should just work on a new contract for him. There has to be a way financially to keep him. However, we somehow need to find a suitor for Nazr and May, for a SG or SF. How about May and a 2nd, to the Twolves for McCants? Or worst case scenario, we keep Nazr and let him help mentor and develop our current big men (Ajinca, Diop), and also provide some spot minutes on occasion.

[spectre]

Ohara...pretty sure I showed in another thread that (before the Diop trade) we could conceivably pay Felton 8 million per, sign our draft pick and re-up everyone but May and still be under the cap. Adding Diop & removing Hammer only adds a little over 1 million next year, and Felton isn't getting 8 million...so I feel pretty sure that financially we can keep him if we want.

Besides, we've been a little over the cap this year...so it doesn't appear that the FO is afraid to pay that much salary. They'll be even more inclined if this group can keep winning.

[ohara831]

Ohara...pretty sure I showed in another thread that (before the Diop trade) we could conceivably pay Felton 8 million per, sign our draft pick and re-up everyone but May and still be under the cap. Adding Diop & removing Hammer only adds a little over 1 million next year, and Felton isn't getting 8 million...so I feel pretty sure that financially we can keep him if we want.

Besides, we've been a little over the cap this year...so it doesn't appear that the FO is afraid to pay that much salary. They'll be even more inclined if this group can keep winning.

That is good to know! I am not up on the salaries and such. I just know people were dicussing how Carroll's contract was front loaded and Diop's seems to escalate. I think in a couple years he will cost us over $7 mil for the final year? I know Carroll's was down to less than $4 mil the final year. I was kinda thinking in terms of the next 2-4 years and any issues which could arise. But if the salaries are such that we are OK, that is good news.

[TattoodCats4life]

I think we'll try to resign Felton...as we are still shopping felton but the only way anyone gets Felton is to take Nazr...I think even if we top the cap there is room to sign him with the MLE...I think you can use that each year to sign a player coming off rookie scale or as a FA...

I'm not against keeping Felton...2 great point guards could only be a good thing as long as they get good minutes...

I just know we need more help on the 2, and 3 going forward...the 2 we have no real backup to bell, other than playing one of our 1 guards off the ball (which has worked)... On the 3 there is GW and Ammo (I don't see Diaw playing the 3 the way we need it to be played)... I say we pull a 10 day contract from D-league and hope it pans out, and if it doesn't we're out like almost no money...

Maybe we can dump May for a 2nd round pick (I think some teams want expiring contracts).

All we can do is sigh...ILBIT...

[dnbman]

I'm not against keeping Felton...2 great point guards could only be a good thing as long as they get good minutes...

Yeah, plus if both guys are playing well, we'd have a valuable trading piece in one of them. (I'm assuming Felton.) So, as long as we don't sign Felton to a long term deal and then he starts sucking, we'll be o.k.

[spectre]

You don't use the MLE to sign your own players nor is it needed; that's solely for free agents not already tied to our team. We could have a salary of 100 million and we'd still be able to sign our own guys to new deals.

It's whether management is willing to pay that big overall salary.

If Slam's theory is correct (that LB wants to keep Nazr) he'll only have 2 years left after this season. We "tough" it out one more year and then he's a trade asset. Personally I'm not sweating the cost at the 5 as depth at that position is a darn good thing...much better than having an overload of wings like we had previously.

Tattood...I think the depth at the 2 will be filled by Felton & S. Brown (in limited minutes). Don't forget that Brown was LB's guy too. If we don't make the playoffs then I expect us to go after a stud SG in the draft.

[dnbman]

You don't use the MLE to sign your own players nor is it needed; that's solely for free agents not already tied to our team. We could have a salary of 100 million and we'd still be able to sign our own guys to new deals.

It's whether management is willing to pay that big overall salary.

If Slam's theory is correct (that LB wants to keep Nazr) he'll only have 2 years left after this season. We "tough" it out one more year and then he's a trade asset. Personally I'm not sweating the cost at the 5 as depth at that position is a darn good thing...much better than having an overload of wings like we had previously.

Tattood...I think the depth at the 2 will be filled by Felton & S. Brown (in limited minutes). Don't forget that Brown was LB's guy too. If we don't make the playoffs then I expect us to go after a stud SG in the draft.

Really? That makes sense, but I'm wondering if we go best pick this year.

[Slam]

Kid on RGM just suggested Ammo and Nazzy for McCants and Collins.

I'd ask Minni to add a 2nd, but even if they didn't, I'd be all over this deal. Collins is an expiring so it would get us out of that contract and while McCants is a head case, maybe being around Felts might get him straight?

He'd be like a cheaper, more athletic Hammer coming of the bench for us?

[TattoodCats4life]

Kid on RGM just suggested Ammo and Nazzy for McCants and Collins.

I'd ask Minni to add a 2nd, but even if they didn't, I'd be all over this deal. Collins is an expiring so it would get us out of that contract and while McCants is a head case, maybe being around Felts might get him straight?

He'd be like a cheaper, more athletic Hammer coming of the bench for us?

I dont mind McCants, just not sure about having that much of the team being from UNC...<insert funny anti UNC thing here> I don't follow college ball much, if at all, last year I watched the final 4 games but that was about it...so I don't care much about who is here as long as they perform, I just know what we're going to hear having that many tarheels...

[spectre]

Kid on RGM just suggested Ammo and Nazzy for McCants and Collins.

I'd ask Minni to add a 2nd, but even if they didn't, I'd be all over this deal. Collins is an expiring so it would get us out of that contract and while McCants is a head case, maybe being around Felts might get him straight?

He'd be like a cheaper, more athletic Hammer coming of the bench for us?

I'd be all over that. McCants is an expiring too right?

It kind of slipped by me in that thread; as you saw I was on a different tangent.

That heath guy...

[Slam]

I'd be all over that. McCants is an expiring too right?
Yuppers - which means double bonus for us!!


That heath guy.....
I'll finish the sentence for you.

.......is a tool bag.

[SWedd523]

If we don't trade Felton before the deadline we need to start working on signing him for around $6 or so. He's inevitably going to be a backup regardless of how good he's doing now. Augustin is our future, plain and simple.

If we're not wholeheartedly trying to keep him reasonably then we need to go ahead and trade him now while his value is at a peak. Hopefully we send him off to a winning franchise too. I'd hate to lose him at the end of the season for nothing.

I'd like for us to be under the cap so we can have some wiggle room for trades and whatnot, so I think we should makes some moves. I'm never against moving a bad contract (Nazr) if even for a less able player.

I think Raymo can honestly bring us a starter and a good pick or backup. So whatever we do with him, I hope we're smart about it. ILBIT

[TattoodCats4life]

Felton is worth a starter for sure, a good starter for that...and maybe a pick too...

The thing is we want them taking Nazr, which takes away from the value of felton due to his contract... Either way is a good move to make though.

[jstar5]

I'd be all over the McCants deal as well. Although, I don't think that being around Ray would keep him in line. I think the only heel he was close to was Wes Miller. I do think LB would keep him in line!

With some hard work and LB tutelage he's easily talented enough to start at 2 for us.

[ALuhrs704]

i just want us to keep raymond and sign him, atleast to like a 1 or 2 year deal because of how well this team is playing together and felton gets to the basket easy against other pg's across the league, just thinking off the top of my head he has gotta be in the top 10 at the pg spot.
Paul
Williams
Harris
Rose
Rondo
Nelson
B Davis
Nash
Parker
Felton

idk if i left any off that list but thats my thought on him, right now he is better than DJ (even tho i know DJ is the future and w/e) but why cant we just have them both? Its seems like DJ is more comfortable when Raymond is out there....... It'll be alot easier if we just keep winning, but with our tough road trips coming up you just dont know

[JamieMcNeill]

So who thinks with the Blake injury combined with Portland trying to get under cap that we could make a trade now :D?

[jdub28]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2992~2753~2426~549&teams=13~13~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2992%7E2753%7E2426%7E549&teams=13%7E13%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

We send:
Felton
Brown

We recieve:
Ariza
Mihm

This trade is a lot more realistic than the ones going around for POR's supporting cast.

I think Ariza is an all-star caliber player. Most of the league doesn't see it that way but they do see Felton as being able to reach that plateau. Ariza fits right in as a defensive ball hawk and has almost the same skill set as crash with a better jumpshot. Mihm is a relativley useless player for the Lakers, Powell has stole almost all his minutes. Howard and Nazr wont last us forever and the same is true for the Lakers and Fisher. Brown will probably be an IR but the Lakers love combo guards like Felton Walton Farmar and Vujaic. Although I think Farmar will inherit the starting position, he is coming back from a serious injury right now.

Well what do you think, Im sure it will be hard to pry Ariza from them (maybe cost us a 2nd round pick too) but it seems like the league is hot for Felton, and Ariza seems like the greatest expendable talent.

[JamieMcNeill]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2992~2753~2426~549&teams=13~13~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2992%7E2753%7E2426%7E549&teams=13%7E13%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

We send:
Felton
Brown

We recieve:
Ariza
Mihm

This trade is a lot more realistic than the ones going around for POR's supporting cast.

I think Ariza is an all-star caliber player. Most of the league doesn't see it that way but they do see Felton as being able to reach that plateau. Ariza fits right in as a defensive ball hawk and has almost the same skill set as crash with a better jumpshot. Mihm is a relativley useless player for the Lakers, Powell has stole almost all his minutes. Howard and Nazr wont last us forever and the same is true for the Lakers and Fisher. Brown will probably be an IR but the Lakers love combo guards like Felton Walton Farmar and Vujaic. Although I think Farmar will inherit the starting position, he is coming back from a serious injury right now.

Well what do you think, Im sure it will be hard to pry Ariza from them (maybe cost us a 2nd round pick too) but it seems like the league is hot for Felton, and Ariza seems like the greatest expendable talent.
Im not sure how i feel about this but dayum! Ariza would be crazy energy on that second line...

[dav7z]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2992~2753~2426~549&teams=13~13~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2992%7E2753%7E2426%7E549&teams=13%7E13%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

We send:
Felton
Brown

We recieve:
Ariza
Mihm

This trade is a lot more realistic than the ones going around for POR's supporting cast.

I think Ariza is an all-star caliber player. Most of the league doesn't see it that way but they do see Felton as being able to reach that plateau. Ariza fits right in as a defensive ball hawk and has almost the same skill set as crash with a better jumpshot. Mihm is a relativley useless player for the Lakers, Powell has stole almost all his minutes. Howard and Nazr wont last us forever and the same is true for the Lakers and Fisher. Brown will probably be an IR but the Lakers love combo guards like Felton Walton Farmar and Vujaic. Although I think Farmar will inherit the starting position, he is coming back from a serious injury right now.

Well what do you think, Im sure it will be hard to pry Ariza from them (maybe cost us a 2nd round pick too) but it seems like the league is hot for Felton, and Ariza seems like the greatest expendable talent.


Why would we even consider that even with out giving up a second round pick.
Ariza would be burried behind Wallace . The kid shoots the three at a 27 percent clip , He plays 29 mins a game and averages less than 10ppg . Mihm is ranked 364 in NBA rankings behind Nazz averages about a point a game .
So you saying we give up a starting point . Who i think could start for the Lakers because the point is thair weakest position . We all so giving up a expiring contract and a two guard who contributes. and a second round pick. WOW . For a decent not great rotation player who would play less than 20 mins a game for us. And we all so get the privlidge of taking a bumbs contract who has less value than Nazz. All this three day after signing Diop .
Feltons value must really be low in some minds.

[dnbman]

I haven't seen enough of Ariza to say whether he is a diamond in the rough or not.

However, what I have seen of him doesn't entice me to trade Felton.

Mihm's best days are long gone. No thanks.

[SWedd523]

Trevor Ariza is not a future all star... He's nothing more than an athlete that gets his points from alley oops from Kobe on fast breaks or on kickouts when Kobe's double/triple teamed. He's like a smaller version of Tyson Chandler, but as a good perimeter defender instead of a good interior defender.

Odom is the odd man out, we want depth everywhere, they want PG depth. They're at odds with Odom, so...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~1026~617~2027&teams=13~13~13~30~30&te=3002:30-3201&cash=

That's the most value in return in a 2 team trade. We get another young pg, but with a scorer's mind. Another versitle big in Odom that can interchange with Diaw at the 3/4 and Walton who can be our smaller version of Diaw. Kind of like our Jared Dudley but better.

Not exactly my favorite deal, but They might do it as Odom is probably leaving after this year so they get some value for him. I just don't like losing two starters on a team that is gelling pretty well right now.


Thoughts?

[TattoodCats4life]

Trevor Ariza is not a future all star... He's nothing more than an athlete that gets his points from alley oops from Kobe on fast breaks or on kickouts when Kobe's double/triple teamed. He's like a smaller version of Tyson Chandler, but as a good perimeter defender instead of a good interior defender.

Odom is the odd man out, we want depth everywhere, they want PG depth. They're at odds with Odom, so...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~1026~617~2027&teams=13~13~13~30~30&te=3002:30-3201&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E568%7E1026%7E617%7E2027&teams=13%7E13%7E13%7E30%7E30&te=3002:30-3201&cash=)

That's the most value in return in a 2 team trade. We get another young pg, but with a scorer's mind. Another versitle big in Odom that can interchange with Diaw at the 3/4 and Walton who can be our smaller version of Diaw. Kind of like our Jared Dudley but better.

Not exactly my favorite deal, but They might do it as Odom is probably leaving after this year so they get some value for him. I just don't like losing two starters on a team that is gelling pretty well right now.


Thoughts?

I don't mind it, i hate giving up wallace, but Felton + Kobe + Wallace on the back 3 would be killer for them. I'd probably want to add Sun Yue to take up the extra roster hole we have as He could probably be a great 2 guard in the future.

[SWedd523]

I don't mind it, i hate giving up wallace, but Felton + Kobe + Wallace on the back 3 would be killer for them. I'd probably want to add Sun Yue to take up the extra roster hole we have as He could probably be a great 2 guard in the future.
I was thinking about that as he doesn't get any playing time at all. He'd defnitely bring some more fans in and there's nothing wrong with that. With our extra roster spot, it should work.

EDIT: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617~2027~2753~568~1026&teams=30~30~13~13~13&te=3002:30-3201~3245:30-3008&cash= works

[TattoodCats4life]

I was thinking about that as he doesn't get any playing time at all. He'd defnitely bring some more fans in and there's nothing wrong with that. With our extra roster spot, it should work.

EDIT: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617~2027~2753~568~1026&teams=30~30~13~13~13&te=3002:30-3201~3245:30-3008&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617%7E2027%7E2753%7E568%7E1026&teams=30%7E30%7E13%7E13%7E13&te=3002:30-3201%7E3245:30-3008&cash=) works

Yeah, then we have china and france looking at us :) I like him, he's done well for what he has played actually, and I think any trade we make with the Lakers should include him bar none.

[JamieMcNeill]

I was thinking about that as he doesn't get any playing time at all. He'd defnitely bring some more fans in and there's nothing wrong with that. With our extra roster spot, it should work.

EDIT: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617~2027~2753~568~1026&teams=30~30~13~13~13&te=3002:30-3201~3245:30-3008&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617%7E2027%7E2753%7E568%7E1026&teams=30%7E30%7E13%7E13%7E13&te=3002:30-3201%7E3245:30-3008&cash=) works

If we could bring in a team that is looking to dump salary this trade could be epic.

[kickazzz2000]

Raymond Felton
Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum?








Hold me....

[SWedd523]

Raymond Felton
Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum?








Hold me....

DJ/Farmar/Singletary
Raja/Brown/Sun
Odom/Walton/Morrison
Diaw/Howard/May
Mek/Diop/Lexy


Three deep at every position.. I'd definitely be happy with that. Youth everywhere too except for Raja, which we could address in the draft

[Ghost Kat]

Y"all are funny... there is no way any of that will ever happen

:g:

[TattoodCats4life]

DJ/Farmar/Singletary
Raja/Brown/Sun
Odom/Walton/Morrison
Diaw/Howard/May
Mek/Diop/Lexy


Three deep at every position.. I'd definitely be happy with that. Youth everywhere too except for Raja, which we could address in the draft

There is youth at all positions, Sun is a rook, Brown hasnt been around THAT long, we're just not starting all kids ;)

[TattoodCats4life]

Here is a better LAL trade, <ha> http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~246~549~2421~2753~2776~568 ~3016~1026&teams=30~30~30~30~13~13~13~13~13&te=3245:30-3008&cash=

[SWedd523]

Y"all are funny... there is no way any of that will ever happen

:g:

Hey now you never know! No parade raining :D

[SWedd523]

Here is a better LAL trade, <ha> http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~246~549~2421~2753~2776~568 ~3016~1026&teams=30~30~30~30~13~13~13~13~13&te=3245:30-3008&cash=

Without looking, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that has Kobe in it?:p

[BETCATS]

Here is a better LAL trade, <ha> http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~246~549~2421~2753~2776~568 ~3016~1026&teams=30~30~30~30~13~13~13~13~13&te=3245:30-3008&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110%7E246%7E549%7E2421%7E2753% 7E2776%7E568%7E3016%7E1026&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E13%7E13%7E13%7E13%7E13&te=3245:30-3008&cash=)


I dont know if i could loose Morrison and only get Mr. Bean Bryant as part of the deal. If they somehow threw in their next 7 first rounders i would consider it, but still i am not sure...

[TattoodCats4life]

I dont know if i could loose Morrison and only get Mr. Bean Bryant as part of the deal. If they somehow threw in their next 7 first rounders i would consider it, but still i am not sure...

Water up nose...that was as funny as my trade ;)

[BETCATS]

MEMO TO LARRY BROWN: GET A LIMO DRIVER

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3410~3415~2992~3016~990&teams=18~18~18~18~30&te=&cash=

[dav7z]

If we could bring in a team that is looking to dump salary this trade could be epic.

What part of this do you like . Personaly i prefer Wallace for thease reasons . Wallace averages more points than Odom is better defencive player than Odom , Comes at a lot smaller price tag . Has way more up side still in his prime.
I don't know much about the two guard so i can't coment on him . As far as Farmer v/s Felton , I. LL take Felts hand down ever time. Felton don't have no Kobe to help his numbers .
So we give up our best player and a solid starting point for a back up power foward avering 10ppg and a subpar starting point . This is one trade i would stay away from.


May be somthing like Felton and Nazz for Odom might work . To me thats about all the value odom has whitch is not bad value thair. I don't think the Lakers make good trade partners.

[JamieMcNeill]

What part of this do you like . Personaly i prefer Wallace for thease reasons . Wallace averages more points than Odom is better defencive player than Odom , Comes at a lot smaller price tag . Has way more up side still in his prime.
I don't know much about the two guard so i can't coment on him . As far as Farmer v/s Felton , I. LL take Felts hand down ever time. Felton don't have no Kobe to help his numbers .
So we give up our best player and a solid starting point for a back up power foward avering 10ppg and a subpar starting point . This is one trade i would stay away from.


May be somthing like Felton and Nazz for Odom might work . To me thats about all the value odom has whitch is not bad value thair. I don't think the Lakers make good trade partners.
Well it doesnt matter how any of us feel about trades like this because the fact is, unless im wrong and someone here has "connections." Or if Larry patrols the site looking for good trades, then our speculations here are about as good as playing 2k9 with the BCats and getting Wade, LBJ, Dwight, CP3, and Bosh. Truth be told, and some people will take this personally, we have no power over what actually goes down. but we will continue to speculate our asses off because it makes us feel powerful and its nice to think that we have some say in this.

[jdub28]

Well it doesnt matter how any of us feel about trades like this because the fact is, unless im wrong and someone here has "connections." Or if Larry patrols the site looking for good trades, then our speculations here are about as good as playing 2k9 with the BCats and getting Wade, LBJ, Dwight, CP3, and Bosh. Truth be told, and some people will take this personally, we have no power over what actually goes down. but we will continue to speculate our asses off because it makes us feel powerful and its nice to think that we have some say in this.


Yeah but its fun to play gm, same way a lot of us like playing fantasy football.

[BETCATS]

Well it doesnt matter how any of us feel about trades like this because the fact is, unless im wrong and someone here has "connections." Or if Larry patrols the site looking for good trades, then our speculations here are about as good as playing 2k9 with the BCats and getting Wade, LBJ, Dwight, CP3, and Bosh. Truth be told, and some people will take this personally, we have no power over what actually goes down. but we will continue to speculate our asses off because it makes us feel powerful and its nice to think that we have some say in this.

Dream murderer!
Stop this genocide on the trade machine!

Jamie how do you know one of us is not Larry Brown.



I am....Sasha Fierce.

[JamieMcNeill]

Dream murderer!
Stop this genocide on the trade machine!

Jamie how do you know one of us is not Larry Brown.



I am....Sasha Fierce.

Whenever people get too intense about the trade threads i like to remind them that the thread is all about fun because were arent changing the world by speculating.

and btw i will now be looking out for LB in disguise
:wow1:

[amour217]

Whenever people get too intense about the trade threads i like to remind them that the thread is all about fun because were arent changing the world by speculating.

and btw i will now be looking out for LB in disguise
:wow1:

lol maybe ballho was Larry Brown

[Ghost Kat]

Ya'll are too funny...LOL @ Dream Murder.....Now some trade ideas are truelly silly...But some that pop up in these threads actually make some sense. Your right we don't really run anything...But we are not all 8yrs old....we now what power we do and don't have. But why should that stop us from talking? This is just like NBA 2k9 just with real people talking to each other about what they would do.

I am f&Cking Sasha Fierce:rkiss0:

[JamieMcNeill]

Ya'll are too funny...LOL @ Dream Murder.....Now some trade ideas are truelly silly...But some that pop up in these threads actually make some sense. Your right we don't really run anything...But we are not all 8yrs old....we now what power we do and don't have. But why should that stop us from talking? This is just like NBA 2k9 just with real people talking to each other about what they would do.

I am f&Cking Sasha Fierce:rkiss0:
I agree with you completely im just saying some people get way to into this. But its fine to talk about it as long as you know thats about all we are doing. Talking.

[BETCATS]

Jamie this whole thing is just based of speculation + whatever we think will make the team better.

And without those 2 aspects why would anyone even be a Bobcats fan. Besides the love for the game, you want your team to succeed. We are not the Magic or the Cavs or the Celtics. We are not on their level. But we as fans have ideas that we think could make our team as good as one of the eastern conference powerhouses i listed.

So we go to the trade machine and get our mad scientist on. Then we post our best, most realistic idea here hopping everybody thinks we are a genius of some sort and will petition to have us hired and show Rod Higgins the door.

Done preaching.

[JamieMcNeill]

Jamie this whole thing is just based of speculation + whatever we think will make the team better.

And without those 2 aspects why would anyone even be a Bobcats fan. Besides the love for the game, you want your team to succeed. We are not the Magic or the Cavs or the Celtics. We are not on their level. But we as fans have ideas that we think could make our team as good as one of the eastern conference powerhouses i listed.

So we go to the trade machine and get our mad scientist on. Then we post our best, most realistic idea here hopping everybody thinks we are a genius of some sort and will petition to have us hired and show Rod Higgins the door.

Done preaching.

I agree that at this point with us not winning as much as the above-listed teams- part of the fun of being a Bcats fan is thinking about how we can get better. very true. it's just that you have to get tired of people proposing trades that make no sense for one team or another. the real fun is reading about rumors of trades and trying to make them work on the trade machine.

Ha i want you to know i agree with you for the most part its just those certain posts that really anger me.

[BETCATS]

I agree that at this point with us not winning as much as the above-listed teams- part of the fun of being a Bcats fan is thinking about how we can get better. very true. it's just that you have to get tired of people proposing trades that make no sense for one team or another. the real fun is reading about rumors of trades and trying to make them work on the trade machine.

Ha i want you to know i agree with you for the most part its just those certain posts that really anger me.

getting angry at somebody for saying something stupid on the internet is like getting mad at a pigeon for pooping on you from the top of a building. Its frustrating, its disgusting, but you cant change it because girls just wanna have fun. ;)

[JamieMcNeill]

getting angry at somebody for saying something stupid on the internet is like getting mad at a pigeon for pooping on you from the top of a building. Its frustrating, its disgusting, but you cant change it because girls just wanna have fun. ;)
ha very true.

[TattoodCats4life]

I for one can tell you I love playing with trades on the machine. When I heard Diop was likely, and that we were steering away from OKC to hold felton I ran about 10 different scenarios, albeit the one with Matt was the least likely (I didn't include Ryan, and it did work without Ryan, which is another reason I'm not sure we're done, because why would we move a player just to open a roster spot to sit at 14 ?) in my opinion...I didn't think they needed a weak shooter with a long contract :)

[JamieMcNeill]

I for one can tell you I love playing with trades on the machine. When I heard Diop was likely, and that we were steering away from OKC to hold felton I ran about 10 different scenarios, albeit the one with Matt was the least likely (I didn't include Ryan, and it did work without Ryan, which is another reason I'm not sure we're done, because why would we move a player just to open a roster spot to sit at 14 ?) in my opinion...I didn't think they needed a weak shooter with a long contract :)
but your trades came from real rumors that were reported.
that makes sense.

[Muttley]

I for one can tell you I love playing with trades on the machine. When I heard Diop was likely, and that we were steering away from OKC to hold felton I ran about 10 different scenarios, albeit the one with Matt was the least likely (I didn't include Ryan, and it did work without Ryan, which is another reason I'm not sure we're done, because why would we move a player just to open a roster spot to sit at 14 ?) in my opinion...I didn't think they needed a weak shooter with a long contract :)
Dallas probably wanted Ryan included.

[Slam]

Miami is looking for a big.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2165~3048~568&teams=30~30~14&te=&cash=

Banks is a homeless mans Felton.

This would give us the option to move Felton if we wanted?

Diawara is French!!

[TattoodCats4life]

There are rumors we'll make a move for another PG without trading away felton, or bring one in on a 10 day if DJ isnt better before we head west... How about we sign McInnis :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::wootjump::his syfit::hissyfit:

[davcbow]

There are rumors we'll make a move for another PG without trading away felton, or bring one in on a 10 day if DJ isnt better before we head west... How about we sign McInnis :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::wootjump::his syfit::hissyfit:
Dude dont even joke about such a thing.....:p

[teej]

Not even funny

That dude never needs to play again!!!

[BETCATS]

Miami is looking for a big.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2165~3048~568&teams=30~30~14&te=&cash (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2165%7E3048%7E568&teams=30%7E30%7E14&te=&cash)=

Banks is a homeless mans Felton.

This would give us the option to move Felton if we wanted?

Diawara is French!!

If we could get France to watch us, it makes us 1 step closer to world domination.

[LB4President]

Yea I know I started this thread, but now I am content to stick with this team. I would still like the Bobcats to listen to offers for Felton and push hard to package Nazr's contract in a deal, but I really believe we can steal the eighth seed this season. We have won five of our last six against solid opponents. If we made the playoffs this season that would be great especially since we would give up our pick in a weak draft.

[teej]

Yea I know I started this thread, but now I am content to stick with this team. I would still like the Bobcats to listen to offers for Felton and push hard to package Nazr's contract in a deal, but I really believe we can steal the eighth seed this season. We have won five of our last six against solid opponents. If we made the playoffs this season that would be great especially since we would give up our pick in a weak draft.

And it wouldnt be a good pick either, becasue we're playing too well

[TattoodCats4life]

Im content, just keep listening and if something killer comes along take it...

As far as the playoffs, I'm not worried about it as much...I'm pretty confident in the cats ...I'm aiming for 6/7th seed...

[TattoodCatswife]

I feel we are pretty set for our starters but we really do need to start trading bench players now cuz that was pretty pitiful to watch tonight...

[teej]

I feel we are pretty set for our starters but we really do need to start trading bench players now cuz that was pretty pitiful to watch tonight...

yes, but they would never all play in a crucial game, and shannon was decent, as was juwan, and dj was hurt

I'm not worried, and we wont get much for Nazr, McMay, or AmMo and thats all thats readily available

[TattoodCats4life]

yes, but they would never all play in a crucial game, and shannon was decent, as was juwan, and dj was hurt

I'm not worried, and we wont get much for Nazr, McMay, or AmMo and thats all thats readily available

Agreed, but maybe we can fill that 15th roster spot with something after the deadline...Revolving door of D-league until we find a fit, or perhaps find a FA who was waived.

[TattoodCatswife]

yes, but they would never all play in a crucial game, and shannon was decent, as was juwan, and dj was hurt

I'm not worried, and we wont get much for Nazr, McMay, or AmMo and thats all thats readily available

I've been quite impressed by shannon and juwan. It just would be nice if we could figure something out with our bench...

O crap...this post made be Sean nom nom nom May...how many posts til I can get rid of it?

[teej]

Agreed, but maybe we can fill that 15th roster spot with something after the deadline...Revolving door of D-league until we find a fit, or perhaps find a FA who was waived.

I think once May gets back down to playing shape we could move Nazr for some potential guys, maybe send him to Miami for something?

But other than that I'm fine with it, Diop, May, Nazr, and Juwan can handle the big men spots for a short period of time, I'm fine with AmMo and Lexy at the 3 behind Crash, and you cant tell me we need another guard, shannon, DJ, and Sean are more than enough

I am satisfied, and unless we get soemthing for Nazr, why trade?

[110oldeast]

The team is beyond solid right now. The starters can compete with almost any set of starters in the league. Defensively, our players are above average defenders at each of their respective positions. Offensively, they can all contribute as well.

DJ gets healthy and the bench is in better shape. There is NO BASKETBALL reason to do anything to this team right now. People can put out all they hypotheticals they want to, but that's all they are. There is no reason to do anything drastic to shake up this team. And trading one of the starters is just that.

[CTownSC]

Might be done making trades:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56782/20090123/bobcats_will_develop_from_within/

[TattoodCats4life]

I think we're going to take a passive role for the most part...I think we'll see if anyone wants may's expiring thats about it.

[Dead_Real]

Might be done making trades:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56782/20090123/bobcats_will_develop_from_within/

Good with the way we are playing lately we only need to make a move if it's a no brainer deal.

[TattoodCats4life]

Good with the way we are playing lately we only need to make a move if it's a no brainer deal.

I wouldnt mind trading May and/or Ammo as expiring (and expiring before 2010) contracts for someone who might be a good bench player who maybe has 3-4 years left.

[LB4President]

Even so if you look at our cap situation it looks like we need all the expiring deals we can get. Okafor, Diaw, Wallace, and Diop are all locked up and they eat a huge chunk of cap. Not that I would trade them for flexibility but we need to prepare to ink DJ in a couple seasons and hopefully Alexi. He looks like he has a lot of potential as athletic as he is and the way he shoots. If he can put on some weight and gain smarts from Larry Brown he could be dangerous.

[TattoodCats4life]

Even so if you look at our cap situation it looks like we need all the expiring deals we can get. Okafor, Diaw, Wallace, and Diop are all locked up and they eat a huge chunk of cap. Not that I would trade them for flexibility but we need to prepare to ink DJ in a couple seasons and hopefully Alexi. He looks like he has a lot of potential as athletic as he is and the way he shoots. If he can put on some weight and gain smarts from Larry Brown he could be dangerous.

Good point...we do need to make room for keeping our own...luckily Nazr is off the books before DJ is ready to sign a contract.

[mrtarheel]

We need to unload Nazr for some bench help. I was thinking of maybe something like this that would give us another big, sg and what we really need is a backup to Crash. Utah has this to offer
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3188~988~2011~568~3016&teams=30~30~30~26~26&te=&cash=

Almonds could end up being the key part to the puzzle. He is a lights out scorer and maybe under Brown could put it together and be an up and coming sg behind Bell. We still have a big to put on the floor if need be and Korver could help with the bench scoring since he is more seasoned than Morrison. I think Morrison needs a change to a team like Sloan that will be a spot up shooter instead of the motion of LB. And Utah does need another scoring big with experience like Nazr. Trade works for me.

[Chef]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=831~2427~165~3455~3277~111~319 5~3005~2171~568~3016&teams=29~5~29~30~5~5~9~30~9~9~5&te=&cash=

how about this trade:

works for all teams

Cleve: Biedrens makes them much younger and athletic at center for trying to keep Lebron in the long run, plus makes Ilgauskus or Wallace expendable for a future move, Morrison can "replace" wally, watson adds depth at pg for this year and ammo, buckner and watson are all cheap and coming off the books

Memphis: wipes 13 mil off the books for next year (seems that is all they are interested in anyway), gets rid of rudy so that mayo can concentrate on being the man, crawford is much more of a compliment to mayo than gay

GS: have to get rid of some of their long ridiculous contracts, get a great young point guard in conley offering flexibility with maggette or ellis down the road, darko will expire next year and is tradeable plus is able bodied for the rest of this year, nazr can help mentor some of their young bigs

Us: gay can play SG for us, randolph will be very good, we get rid of ammo and nazr but keep ray for another trade later

[TattoodCats4life]

I like that 4 way deal, 10 mil/year out 3 mil/year in, + gay :)

[TattoodCats4life]

Try this one on for size http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~2832~3457~1024&teams=11~11~30~30~30&te=2776:11-615&cash= I'd say they'd need to give us their first round and maybe a second round pick to make this work as we're doing them a HUGE favor...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2832~3457~1024~568~3016&teams=30~30~30~11~11&te=2776:11-615&cash=

This one is better still, but I doubt they'd do this AND give us a first, maybe a 2 unprotected seconds?

[SWedd523]

Try this one on for size http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~2832~3457~1024&teams=11~11~30~30~30&te=2776:11-615&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E568%7E2832%7E3457%7E102 4&teams=11%7E11%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=2776:11-615&cash=) I'd say they'd need to give us their first round and maybe a second round pick to make this work as we're doing them a HUGE favor...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2832~3457~1024~568~3016&teams=30~30~30~11~11&te=2776:11-615&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2832%7E3457%7E1024%7E568%7E301 6&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E11%7E11&te=2776:11-615&cash=)

This one is better still, but I doubt they'd do this AND give us a first, maybe a 2 unprotected seconds?
I wouldn't do either. We lose Nazr's contract, but pick up Tinsley's which seems to be worse and he's as much of a team cancer as anyone else.

I honestly don't care about their picks, they're in the playoffs picture so it's not like they're going to be lottery picks or anything

[TattoodCats4life]

I wouldn't do either. We lose Nazr's contract, but pick up Tinsley's which seems to be worse and he's as much of a team cancer as anyone else.

I honestly don't care about their picks, they're in the playoffs picture so it's not like they're going to be lottery picks or anything

They are currently 2 spots behind us, and just ahead of Washington, so I'd say lottery (probably similar to where we've spotted up the last few years). I've never seen Tinsley play, but his stats show that when he's healthy he's about equal to ray as far as points and assists go. To me the second trade we trade 100% junk for a possible junk PG on a big contract, a pick which will likely be lotto, and a good 2 and good 3 off the bench (each averaging 6 ppg off the bench for about 10 min or so). His contract is almost the same as Nazr, just one year longer, but if we get him doing well we might be able to use him alot more than we use Nazr, and he is a veteran with playoffs experience.

Not the best case out there, but junkx3 for junk+reasonable bench playerx2 is good enough for me.

[teej]

They are currently 2 spots behind us, and just ahead of Washington, so I'd say lottery (probably similar to where we've spotted up the last few years). I've never seen Tinsley play, but his stats show that when he's healthy he's about equal to ray as far as points and assists go. To me the second trade we trade 100% junk for a possible junk PG on a big contract, a pick which will likely be lotto, and a good 2 and good 3 off the bench (each averaging 6 ppg off the bench for about 10 min or so). His contract is almost the same as Nazr, just one year longer, but if we get him doing well we might be able to use him alot more than we use Nazr, and he is a veteran with playoffs experience.

Not the best case out there, but junkx3 for junk+reasonable bench playerx2 is good enough for me.

Amen, Although I wouldn't like losing Nazzy's experience, LB could help Tinsley and we get rid of some worthless crap...at least by produdction standards...I like it...but does indy?

[SWedd523]

They are currently 2 spots behind us, and just ahead of Washington, so I'd say lottery (probably similar to where we've spotted up the last few years). I've never seen Tinsley play, but his stats show that when he's healthy he's about equal to ray as far as points and assists go. To me the second trade we trade 100% junk for a possible junk PG on a big contract, a pick which will likely be lotto, and a good 2 and good 3 off the bench (each averaging 6 ppg off the bench for about 10 min or so). His contract is almost the same as Nazr, just one year longer, but if we get him doing well we might be able to use him alot more than we use Nazr, and he is a veteran with playoffs experience.

Not the best case out there, but junkx3 for junk+reasonable bench playerx2 is good enough for me.
No. I think you seem to be in the camp that dislikes Ray, and that's your opinion. But a player's worth goes way beyond the stats. Felton is heads and shoulders, far and above, MUCH BETTER than anything Tinsley could bring to this franchise. There's a reason he's buried on their depth chart. Sure he's playoff experienced, but so is Nazr so that's a wash. Tinsley is one of those guys that nobody wants.. and there's a reason. They've been actively shopping him for the longest time now and there's a reason why none of these PG needing teams has taken him. Much like Curry or Steph, I don't want him anywhere near this young and impressionable team.

I'd rather ride it out with Ammo and Nazr than take trash in return, even if a pick is included (which will be higher than it is now with the return of Dunleavy). No way, no how. We can get better value.

[TattoodCats4life]

No. I think you seem to be in the camp that dislikes Ray, and that's your opinion. But a player's worth goes way beyond the stats. Felton is heads and shoulders, far and above, MUCH BETTER than anything Tinsley could bring to this franchise. There's a reason he's buried on their depth chart. Sure he's playoff experienced, but so is Nazr so that's a wash. Tinsley is one of those guys that nobody wants.. and there's a reason. They've been actively shopping him for the longest time now and there's a reason why none of these PG needing teams has taken him. Much like Curry or Steph, I don't want him anywhere near this young and impressionable team.

I'd rather ride it out with Ammo and Nazr than take trash in return, even if a pick is included (which will be higher than it is now with the return of Dunleavy). No way, no how. We can get better value.

Yeah the first one with ray going is a least likely, and I understand what you mean... Again I know nothing of Tinsley than his stats and that he's being paid to not play...i just was thinking along the lines of us doing a favor for them and getting something of more value in return as a whole on the deal...namely the SG and SF I put in the trade coming back in. Maybe Tinsley isnt a good 2nd PG for this team (I would not want him starting in front of DJ) but I think he's well experienced and if anyone can break and rebuild a PG its LB...

This all in mind I'm reading right now that the Warriors are still in need of a PG as Ellis is very unfavored over there... I mean jeeze the guy just got in a moped accident, yeah he lied a bit to cover it up, but i mean millions on the line I think even the most "church going" among us would be inclined to bend the truth... I'm not saying I want Ellis...but they've got a crop of good SGs and SFs and thats honestly what I think we need to proceed to the next level...

I'll be back in a little while to see if there is something we could do there, I know they wanted ray but wanted to give us bigs, and I think we're sewn up with bigs honestly. Ill be back ;)

[Muttley]

They are currently 2 spots behind us, and just ahead of Washington, so I'd say lottery (probably similar to where we've spotted up the last few years). I've never seen Tinsley play, but his stats show that when he's healthy he's about equal to ray as far as points and assists go. To me the second trade we trade 100% junk for a possible junk PG on a big contract, a pick which will likely be lotto, and a good 2 and good 3 off the bench (each averaging 6 ppg off the bench for about 10 min or so). His contract is almost the same as Nazr, just one year longer, but if we get him doing well we might be able to use him alot more than we use Nazr, and he is a veteran with playoffs experience.

Not the best case out there, but junkx3 for junk+reasonable bench playerx2 is good enough for me.

I'm okay with the second one. The key for me would be whether or not LB would be okay with bringing in Tinsley.
We actually would save money with both trades (if I did my math right).

I am VERY concerned, though, about bringing another Rush to Charlotte. Very concerned.

[TattoodCats4life]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~3016~2821~497~3455~3 277&teams=9~9~9~30~30~30~30&te=&cash=

This is what I came up with that I think would work. They want Ellis gone, but He's 11mil x 6 years with BYC so uhm no... Magg is expensive but pretty darn good and for the pleasure of taking his unfavorable contract we grab some young very capable talent on 2-3-4 spots. Its also possible to swap Azbuke for Bellineli (i know spelling) and save a few dollars, but I'm not sure which way I'd go..

No reason for them other than that it gives them some more cap and reduces the redudancy oh yeah and that horrid contract...but I think we could make something better out of Maggette.

[SWedd523]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~3016~2821~497~3455~3 277&teams=9~9~9~30~30~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E2776%7E3016%7E2821%7E49 7%7E3455%7E3277&teams=9%7E9%7E9%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

This is what I came up with that I think would work. They want Ellis gone, but He's 11mil x 6 years with BYC so uhm no... Magg is expensive but pretty darn good and for the pleasure of taking his unfavorable contract we grab some young very capable talent on 2-3-4 spots. Its also possible to swap Azbuke for Bellineli (i know spelling) and save a few dollars, but I'm not sure which way I'd go..

No reason for them other than that it gives them some more cap and reduces the redudancy oh yeah and that horrid contract...but I think we could make something better out of Maggette.
Now you're talking.

I've been an Ellis Homer ever since he came out and he wasn't that great. Now that he blew up onto the scene recently really made me happy. I'd take him and his contract and I'd even.... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~1026~2751~497~3455~32 77&teams=9~9~9~30~30~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E568%7E1026%7E2751%7E497 %7E3455%7E3277&teams=9%7E9%7E9%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)
under certain circumstances. Ellis is special and he would be great next to DJ

[Muttley]

Now you're talking.

I've been an Ellis Homer ever since he came out and he wasn't that great. Now that he blew up onto the scene recently really made me happy. I'd take him and his contract and I'd even.... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~1026~2751~497~3455~32 77&teams=9~9~9~30~30~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E568%7E1026%7E2751%7E497 %7E3455%7E3277&teams=9%7E9%7E9%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)
under certain circumstances. Ellis is special and he would be great next to DJ
I'm pulling out my great big veto stamp for that one Swedd!

If you absolutely must have Monta, how about this trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2821%7E2751%7E3455%7E3277%7E30 39%7E2753%7E568%7E3016&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E9%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=) instead? (We'd cut Williams or Watson)

[teej]

Swedd you have been hittin up the blunt a wee bit too much...no way Wallace is worth Ellis, even if Mags comes too

[SWedd523]

I'm pulling out my great big veto stamp for that one Swedd!

If you absolutely must have Monta, how about this trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2821%7E2751%7E3455%7E3277%7E30 39%7E2753%7E568%7E3016&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E9%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=) instead? (We'd cut Williams or Watson)
But there's no way in hell that they would do that. Monta is only 23 years old and still hasn't hit his prime yet. He'd be PERFECT next to DJ. We have to take on Magg's long contract but it's not like he doesn't score and rebound so he'd be fine at the SF spot for the next few years--then he becomes an asset as a trade piece. We also get Randolph who we can groom next to Lexy to take over in the future to keep with Ellis and DJ. Randolph and Lexy at 6'10 and 7'0 would more than make up for DJ's small stature. They could also run the floor with him. Not to mention we'd still have Raja, Diaw, and Mek on our team who we could either keep or use as great trade pieces for other young talent at the Center spot or even picks.


DJ/Watson/Singletary
Ellis/Raja/Shannon
Maggette/Randolph/Morrison
Diaw/Juwan/Lexy/May
Mek/Diop


I can't help but be more than okay with that lineup:shrug:

[JamieMcNeill]

i just find it hard to believe that Monta fucks up once and all of a sudden they are THAT willing to get rid of him?

[TattoodCats4life]

Now you're talking.

I've been an Ellis Homer ever since he came out and he wasn't that great. Now that he blew up onto the scene recently really made me happy. I'd take him and his contract and I'd even.... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~1026~2751~497~3455~32 77&teams=9~9~9~30~30~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E568%7E1026%7E2751%7E497 %7E3455%7E3277&teams=9%7E9%7E9%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)
under certain circumstances. Ellis is special and he would be great next to DJ

Wow way to redesign the team :)

[RELAXTV]

But there's no way in hell that they would do that. Monta is only 23 years old and still hasn't hit his prime yet. He'd be PERFECT next to DJ. We have to take on Magg's long contract but it's not like he doesn't score and rebound so he'd be fine at the SF spot for the next few years--then he becomes an asset as a trade piece. We also get Randolph who we can groom next to Lexy to take over in the future to keep with Ellis and DJ. Randolph and Lexy at 6'10 and 7'0 would more than make up for DJ's small stature. They could also run the floor with him. Not to mention we'd still have Raja, Diaw, and Mek on our team who we could either keep or use as great trade pieces for other young talent at the Center spot or even picks.


DJ/Watson/Singletary
Ellis/Raja/Shannon
Maggette/Randolph/Morrison
Diaw/Juwan/Lexy/May
Mek/Diop


I can't help but be more than okay with that lineup:shrug:


The black hole by the name of Maggette is enough for me to veto that trade!

[Slam]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=575~1726~3204~2754~454~3025~10 26&teams=22~30~30~30~23~23~22&te=&cash=

[BETCATS]

I'm pulling out my great big veto stamp for that one Swedd!

If you absolutely must have Monta, how about this trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2821%7E2751%7E3455%7E3277%7E30 39%7E2753%7E568%7E3016&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E9%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=) instead? (We'd cut Williams or Watson)


Your crazy all of you!

Golden State trading their franchise player (Ellis) yet you guys say he is 'not worth Wallace'? LOL. IF we could get Ellis for Wallace i would thank god for existing and intervening in NBA Trades. I love Wallace, but Monta Ellis can score 20-30 points on any given night.

[SWedd523]

I'm pulling out my great big veto stamp for that one Swedd!

If you absolutely must have Monta, how about this trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2821%7E2751%7E3455%7E3277%7E30 39%7E2753%7E568%7E3016&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E9%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=) instead? (We'd cut Williams or Watson)


Wow way to redesign the team :)
That team wouldn't be better? Be honest with yourself and try and say that team wouldn't be bigger, deeper, and better

[SWedd523]

Your crazy all of you!

Golden State trading their franchise player (Ellis) yet you guys say he is 'not worth Wallace'? LOL. IF we could get Ellis for Wallace i would thank god for existing and intervening in NBA Trades. I love Wallace, but Monta Ellis can score 20-30 points on any given night.
FINALLY SOMEONE ON MY SIDE!:biggrin: +1

[JamieMcNeill]

FINALLY SOMEONE ON MY SIDE!:biggrin: +1


i just find it hard to believe that Monta fucks up once and all of a sudden they are THAT willing to get rid of him?

Hey man im right with you. Monta is younger and a better scorer. Not to mention this kid was groomed by GS to be the BD replacement. He is their franchise despite what happened in the offseason

[TattoodCats4life]

That team wouldn't be better? Be honest with yourself and try and say that team wouldn't be bigger, deeper, and better

Didn't disagree with you at all, just a big trade ;)

[TattoodCats4life]

This is something I thought about after reading about an injury with Wizards center Blatche (sp) and the fact that Arenas is probably out for a while still. We fill their need for a reliable backup C and PG...we steal from them :)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1707~385~3243~2753~568&teams=30~30~30~27~27&te=&cash=

[teej]

would be good since antawn is from CLT, might get more butts in the seats and open up DJ to run the point...dont like Jamisons contract tho :(

[TattoodCats4life]

would be good since antawn is from CLT, might get more butts in the seats and open up DJ to run the point...dont like Jamisons contract tho :(
Big but well earned contract, have you seen his stat line? If we got him in that trade we'd be stealing seriously.

[Muttley]

I can't help but be more than okay with that lineup:shrug:

I just don't really want Maggette.

[BETCATS]

This is something I thought about after reading about an injury with Wizards center Blatche (sp) and the fact that Arenas is probably out for a while still. We fill their need for a reliable backup C and PG...we steal from them :)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1707~385~3243~2753~568&teams=30~30~30~27~27&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1707%7E385%7E3243%7E2753%7E568&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E27%7E27&te=&cash=)

As my boy Gucci would say 'Its that cocaine music!'

Have you lost your mind? I am just saying, trading Felton and Nazr for a ALL STAR in return with Nick Young a guy the Wizard organization is high on.

Between this, the Monta Ellis trade idea, and somebody else saying we could get Kyle Korver, i highly suggest yall look into what other team's fans are saying. Because you are trading our emerging star for one of their franchse players or fan favorites would not fly with them.

[teej]

As my boy Gucci would say 'Its that cocaine music!'

Have you lost your mind? I am just saying, trading Felton and Nazr for a ALL STAR in return with Nick Young a guy the Wizard organization is high on.

Between this, the Monta Ellis trade idea, and somebody else saying we could get Kyle Korver, i highly suggest yall look into what other team's fans are saying. Because you are trading our emerging star for one of their franchse players or fan favorites would not fly with them.

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