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drunkbum
12-30-2008, 11:11 PM
I know Larry likes to play 3 guards at a time, which worked when you had J-Rich but tonight he had Sean, Raymond, and DJ on the flood at the sometime.....

J-Rich had size but out of those other three Ill give one being six foot (Raymond).....

When your small they like to give you a inch or two on your height so you cant really trust whats given..... I mean they have Sean listed as 6 foot and there aint no way....

For the factor of size alone those three should not be on the court at the sometime.....

Mustachio
12-30-2008, 11:16 PM
that lineup looked better than any lineup that had matt carroll in it tonight.

TattoodCats4life
12-30-2008, 11:27 PM
I'll agree here, that lineup has one weak point and its not the 2 short guards. I really have enjoyed seeing Little Sean play and look forward to him being the backup for DJ into the future. Carroll I like, he's always one of the most personable players when you see them (and he remembers ppl who are at games often as in "Didn't you get my autograph last week, hahaha how was your Christmas...Oh the baby's doing just fine") but he isn't the productive player his contract says he is.

Ghost Kat
12-31-2008, 06:25 PM
In the little time i've seen Lil Sean play i've been very impressed. Just like DJ he's a rookie, But if i'm correct Sean did all 4 yrs at Virginia. With the effort he has shown so far, More playin time can only help him.

I have to agree that Carroll has been sub-par, But at this point i'd much rather see DJ, Sean and Carroll then Felton. I have much more faith in a poor shooting Carroll then Felton on any night.

Back to Lil Sean , having watched alot of his ACC career I know that Lil guy can play. For the life of me i can't understand why LB with Felton playin and shooting so poorly, He'll still leave Felton in 40mins. I think LB is starting to see Lil Sean will go out there and give the effort he asks for.

ohara831
12-31-2008, 07:09 PM
that lineup looked better than any lineup that had matt carroll in it tonight.


Amen brother. Aint that the truth!

teej
12-31-2008, 07:42 PM
didnt that lineup have diaw at 5 and gerald at 4 as well...that was a super small lineup

Slam
12-31-2008, 07:54 PM
Any time I have seen Singletary on the court I have thought he has sucked.

bobcats_express
01-01-2009, 01:07 AM
didnt that lineup have diaw at 5 and gerald at 4 as well...that was a super small lineup

bobcats have the potential to be a real run and gun team, i think.
the trade for diaw and raja saw two pieces of phoenix's run and gun team come to us.
with a super small lineup we could kinda emulate what golden state did (it worked against the mavs in the playoffs)

bobcats will most likely get crunched on D when they have 3 point guards on the floor together- especially with diaw and gl-wall taking the 5 and 4 respectively.
but this is a team that has the pieces to run the floor.

Ghost Kat
01-01-2009, 03:01 PM
Any time I have seen Singletary on the court I have thought he has sucked.


What were you expecting him to do?

TattoodCats4life
01-01-2009, 04:07 PM
Singletary doesn't "SUCK" McMay, that's SUCK... Little Sean is what we in the real world call "Inexperienced" You can't expect anyone to do much good at their job their first few times doing it... Even a kid at McDonalds isnt going to make Sean May a Big Mac just perfect his first time. But with a good manager running the place, and experienced person doing the same job next to him, that kid will make the perfect big mac the next day when Sean May comes back in for another sack of um...

Singletary is actually pretty good, and he's quick like DJ, but just like DJ did his first 90 minutes of playing time (experience doesnt come in games, it comes in minutes on the floor) Sean has fouled, and fouled, and fouled again...Now he's less likely to get in trouble than Felton. Singletary still makes rookie mistakes, but he has a pair of brass ones on the other hand with way he kept Vince Carter from racking one and made him work for it. Definitely a player who will be in the rotation for some time to come.

Slam
01-01-2009, 04:38 PM
What were you expecting him to do?
I wasn't expecting anything from him - but that doesn't mean he didn't suck every time I have seen him on the court.

Slam
01-01-2009, 04:39 PM
Little Sean is what we in the real world call "Inexperienced" You can't expect anyone to do much good at their job their first few times doing it....
Didn't he play all four years at Virginia and pretty much play 30mpg (or more) from the moment he stepped onto campus?

dnbman
01-01-2009, 05:24 PM
Didn't he play all four years at Virginia and pretty much play 30mpg (or more) from the moment he stepped onto campus?

I don't know much about the guy at all. However, I think he's the kind of player that you're very happy to have play 10-15 minutes of basketball and the team not do much worse. He doesn't seem like the type of guy who's a diamond in the rough type.

Although, really, I don't know enough about him to say. Yet, because I don't know much about him leads me to believe I'm right, if that makes sense.

spectre
01-01-2009, 05:30 PM
I haven't seen a lot I've liked either (dribbles too much, shoots too quickly), but the one thing I did like was him shutting down Dooling while the shot clock was winding down for the half.

That is a need, and probably why LB wanted him. Him possibly getting significant playing time worries me tho. I think we'd still need another PG and even better a vet PG.

Keetch
01-01-2009, 05:44 PM
What I've seen is a very short 2 guard. His passing and decision-making so far have been mostly bad. For sure, much of that may be his limited NBA game time.

On the positive side; he's very quick, very strong and; if his college history has any NBA carryover, potentially a prolific scorer.

On the dark side though, even in college he didn't quite shoot 40% of his field goals. That's a REALLY bad sign moving into the NBA....

TattoodCats4life
01-01-2009, 06:38 PM
I knew he played 4 years in college, wasn't aware that he was so high in PPG. Honestly if that be the case I think we'd be crazy not to develop him into an undersized 2 who can dabble on the 1.

AI is listed as an optimistic 6-0 183, Lil Sean is listed similarly at 6-0 185, so I'd guess they are both more like 5-10/5-11 and probably mid 170s. That being said Sean could be molded into an "almost" AI player by the right person as he has the crazy strength to size ratio just like AI, and if there is a coach who could do that it would be Larry. He is A1 at getting the most from each player. Thing is I think Sean needs 90-120 NBA minutes before we'll see the rookie veil lift. I for one think he has a very bright future.

Ghost Kat
01-01-2009, 06:53 PM
Agreed, I see a bright future for Lil Sean, Just for the simple fact that he's showed alot of heart and effort since being traded for the 3rd time in his short NBA career. Hopefully He has found a home in Charlotte

Slam
01-01-2009, 06:56 PM
(dribbles too much, shoots too quickly).


His passing and decision-making so far have been mostly bad.
Nice to know it's not just me.

Ghost Kat
01-02-2009, 05:00 PM
In defense of Lil Sean, Not that he needs it. He's a true rookie way more worried about job security and getting down LB's system. DJ has been here since summer league so he's not as worried. Felton has a couple yrs under his belt so he's not worried. Lil Sean hasn't been in the league long enough or play'd the same minutes as Felton or DJ so he has every right to look a lil confused at times. This is still a new team for him and since he's not starting like Raja or Diaw, it's harder for him to get a feel for his team mates.
The fact that he dribbles to much and shots to quickly can be said about ALL of the PG's on this team.

docend24
01-02-2009, 05:26 PM
Singletary often subs into defensive lineup in last minutes of quarters. Whcich makes sense he is quick enough to foul before staters could do it. Well, he is motivated for sure, if it is true that LB wanted him maybe he will him into solid back up which would be great.

RELAXTV
01-03-2009, 03:38 AM
I actually wished that our two-guard situation would be a little better...

No knock on Singletary, but he needs to be a backup 1, not a backup 3 guard.

So after feeling like the 4 was our week link 'til we traded J-Rich, it's now our 2 guard spot that's being killed...Wish we still had Duds...

TattoodCats4life
01-03-2009, 09:49 AM
We traded an awesome 2 for an okay 2 and a great 4/3 who has the skillset of a 1 if needed (as evidenced by his assists and near triple doubles). The trade was good, its just certainly not the last. Our best thing to fix the current lack of depth is a good-could-b-great 1 for a great-underplayed-underappreciated 2 and a good veteran 1. Raja is a 10 ppg average, but can put up 20 on a good night guy...we get another one of them and just play the one who's hot and never make one or the other too tired and we'll be just fine. That is the one thing we dont have...a double set at each position where you wouldnt mind if either set started, or played...the lakers I think are the best example of this total depth...They have about 15 combinations of 10 players with and without Kobe and they consistently play very well in any combo. I'd say on a 10 game stretch without Kobe the lakers would still run 60-75%. We don't need a Kobe, we just need good-great guys in all positions 2 deep, and have "alright" 3 strings. Sadly we pay big $$$ to several players on this team who should be on that 3rd string.

*Fingers crossed for a Larry Brown designed trade for someone we don't think will do good but Larry wants*

Ghost Kat
01-03-2009, 10:40 PM
I don't want to piss on the memory of J-rich, But this team does play better without him. Now J-rich could score, But those points weren't always at crunch time when we needed them. He wasn't the best passing SG, Raja I would say is better. J-Rich would never be called a lock down defender...Raja is ( maybe)...I miss Jrich and the three and the dunks and everything else...But I have to say personally I much happier with the team now.

SWedd523
01-03-2009, 10:59 PM
I don't want to piss on the memory of J-rich, But this team does play better without him. Now J-rich could score, But those points weren't always at crunch time when we needed them. He wasn't the best passing SG, Raja I would say is better. J-Rich would never be called a lock down defender...Raja is ( maybe)...I miss Jrich and the three and the dunks and everything else...But I have to say personally I much happier with the team now.
The team is better after the trade. There's no denying that fact. The 20 or so points is covered by Boris and Raja, Boris as a 4 gets more assists, we get more rebounds now, Raja is just as good a defender, if not better, Crash has seemingly been playing better since the trade as their playing styles "didn't mesh" well.

I just hate that we had to give up Duds AND the draft pick, but hey.. you can't have it all

Ghost Kat
01-03-2009, 11:14 PM
I just hate that we had to give up Duds AND the draft pick, but hey.. you can't have it all

That is a 2010 second rd pick , right?, Can you really say you want to take a chance with any body we get in the draft with our history?

SWedd523
01-03-2009, 11:22 PM
That is a 2010 second rd pick , right?, Can you really say you want to take a chance with any body we get in the draft with our history?
It is, I believe. Larry HAS done a good job in his first year of drafting, I'd trust him again. Some say the pick was in return for Singletary which I'm okay with, but the deal was basically 3 for 3. I'd like to have kept either Duds or the pick in the deal. (that may not make much sense lol)

The pick could've been used in later trades either this season or in the summer, so we gave up a bargaining chip in this deal.. I naturally want as many bargaining chips as possible as we don't exactly have high demand players