Good crowd tonight, awesome time

[Robertpel9]

My wife and i had a ball tonight watching them play the Celtics. It solidified in my mind that getting the half season pass was the right move, even she is not a excited supported and asked when the next game was (I could tell she was jsut along for the ride the first three games)

I also have concluded two things:

1) Felton must go, when Bell gets back DJ should move to point full time. Felton is more of a liability than an asset

2) Why the F is Diaw allowed to hang out at the arc for half the game. I enjoyed his game against the bucs on Saturday, tonight he was useless

Go CATS, what a night

[110oldeast]

Without Felton, we lose going away in the 4th quarter. Rondo had DJ frustrated on both ends. Why he needs to go is b/c Bobcats fans will only see his faults while ignoring the positives he brings as they are so caught up in it being DJ vs. Raymond when the best thing is DJ + Raymond.

[Robertpel9]

I am a brand new fan, never saw a bobcats game until i saw my forst of 4 now in person two weeks ago. I have no interest in pushing DJ I just see what I see with about as an objective eye without bias as possible as i am a brand new fan.

He makes way too many mistakes and is careless. I don't see him shine in any one area. I don't think DJ is an all star by any means but he has a lot of growth potential. Felton is probably as good as he is going to get which to me is no where near good enough if you are really going to build a contender

Just my 2 cents but having played ball all thru HS and College and coached it at the youth level for years I know what i am looking at. Like i said i jsut started following this team and its players as i just moved here. Felton ust doesn't have it

[teej]

I am a brand new fan, never saw a bobcats game until i saw my forst of 4 now in person two weeks ago. I have no interest in pushing DJ I just see what I see with about as an objective eye without bias as possible as i am a brand new fan.

He makes way too many mistakes and is careless. I don't see him shine in any one area. I don't think DJ is an all star by any means but he has a lot of growth potential. Felton is probably as good as he is going to get which to me is no where near good enough if you are really going to build a contender

Just my 2 cents but having played ball all thru HS and College and coached it at the youth level for years I know what i am looking at. Like i said i jsut started following this team and its players as i just moved here. Felton ust doesn't have it

My dad followed basketball for years and was a frequent attendee at Bulls and Hornets games before I was born, and we went to his first nba game in forever for my brithday against the knicks on the 30th

he said felton thinks too much of himself but that the rest of the team just stands around and doesnt get open...but he also said that this is Felton's first real coaching (same for Okafor, Wallace, and Carroll) and after a lil bit he should get some help and improve

Back to Carroll (my dad had no idea who he was) : My dad said he could be a great clutch guy if LB uses him right, and that he was going to thrive with fewer minutes

what do you guys think?

[110oldeast]

Did you watch the defensive end of the floor? Did you watch his defense on Allen and Rondo when he was switched to him to slow him down?

The guy made his share of sloppy mistakes that frustrated me, but Boston wins going away without Felton. DJ had 2 live ball TOs that lead directly to Boston scores and was getting taken to the hole by Rondo. He was frustrated on both ends and Boston was taking over the game. Having Felton allowed him to go to the bench and recompose and also us to regain the momentum.

He played well in OT, but Felton was a lot of why we got to OT. They are both assets to the team right now. That said, if you saw nothing from Felton in that game, I am not sure what to tell you. I never claimed perfection as I mentioned he had his share of shortcomings in this game, but to simply call him a liability in this game doesn't add up, IMHO.


I am a brand new fan, never saw a bobcats game until i saw my forst of 4 now in person two weeks ago. I have no interest in pushing DJ I just see what I see with about as an objective eye without bias as possible as i am a brand new fan.

He makes way too many mistakes and is careless. I don't see him shine in any one area. I don't think DJ is an all star by any means but he has a lot of growth potential. Felton is probably as good as he is going to get which to me is no where near good enough if you are really going to build a contender

Just my 2 cents but having played ball all thru HS and College and coached it at the youth level for years I know what i am looking at. Like i said i jsut started following this team and its players as i just moved here. Felton ust doesn't have it

[kickazzz2000]

the rest of the team just stands around and doesnt get open...

I notice that this happens in late game situations when Felton brings up the ball. The offense just stagnates. I don't know if this is a product of the other 4 guys on the court just knowing that Felton is likely to drive or take an ill advised jumper with 17 seconds left on the clock or what. The lack of off the ball movement when Felton is running the point drives me nuts. Oftentimes, Felton himself ends up having to direct traffic.


One thing Ray could do is make smarter decisions on fast breaks off turnovers or long rebounds. So many times he will drive himself and shoot from a bad angle. The play where DJ did the sweet behind the back to a trailing Felton is an example of what to do in that situation. Those 4-6 points a game are often the difference betweens W's and L's.

For Ray, I think its just a bunch of small things that he needs to improve on and I think the W/L ratio will improve.

Not passing alleys to nobody in particular down 1 with less than 2 minutes to go with two defenders in between himself and that nobody in particular would help too.

[89=#1]

Robert i mean no disrespect, but wtf game were you watching? You say felton must go, wtf are you talking about he had 25 and 8 and made some huge plays down the stretch. He is a horse in the open floor. I know he is no where near all star level yet but he does have more room to grow. I dont know why everyone is wanting to get rid of him so bad. Remember, he came out of the same draft class as chris paul and deron williams and was touted as equal with the two. He has not lived up to this yet but he has also been a part of a shtty ran orginization and team. He is not far from being a bigtime pg in the league, sounds crazy to some i know but hes really not just needs the supporting cast and some orginizational stability. We trade him and watch him go wild with another team!!! I also played through high school and college and have coached some youth aau stuff so i am not completely ignorant its just my opinion tho.

[Ampsportsduo]

Felton is probably as good as he is going to get which to me is no where near good enough if you are really going to build a contender

He's 24 years old, and has played for three coaches in three years. To suggest in any way that he's done developing is (no offense) foolish. Looking at LB's last PG project (I exclude that ridiculous year in NY) was Chauncey Billups. At 24, he'd played for four teams in three years (roughly comparable to what Ray has experienced with three coaches), was a defensive liability, a shoot first point guard that was close to working his way out of the league. At 24, Steve Nash was years away from winning his MVPs, and was entering his first year with Dallas, where his numbers were roughly comparable to Raymond's. My argument is not that Ray will win a Finals MVP or a NBA MVP, merely that judging PGs at 24 is unwise.

Just my 2 cents, but having played rec league ball, intramural ball in college, and played pick up against the likes of David Wesley and Sam Mills, and coached in a youth league for a year, I know what I am looking at.

[TheBeagle]

He's 24 years old, and has played for three coaches in three years. To suggest in any way that he's done developing is (no offense) foolish. Looking at LB's last PG project (I exclude that ridiculous year in NY) was Chauncey Billups. At 24, he'd played for four teams in three years (roughly comparable to what Ray has experienced with three coaches), was a defensive liability, a shoot first point guard that was close to working his way out of the league. At 24, Steve Nash was years away from winning his MVPs, and was entering his first year with Dallas, where his numbers were roughly comparable to Raymond's. My argument is not that Ray will win a Finals MVP or a NBA MVP, merely that judging PGs at 24 is unwise.

Just my 2 cents, but having played rec league ball, intramural ball in college, and played pick up against the likes of David Wesley and Sam Mills, and coached in a youth league for a year, I know what I am looking at. Not to mention he's a lady's man and has Charles Shackelford as his avatar....:cool:

Non sequiter aside, this was a pure team win tonight, and Raymond had the game of his life; he'll always have his bonehead moments, but he made some amazing shots and played some great defense. I too think he doesn't have the "it" that DJ has, but he really is a warrior out there, and I'll miss him when he's gone.

[cbvh]

we have to keep felton atleast for this year because, as much as i like dj, you ususally cant leave a rookie point guard to run a team. he still does have time to develop, but at the same time the talent is mostly there, what needs work is mainly decision making, and that can be hard to teach. what makes it worse is that to be a winning team you usually need a point guard that makes good decisions

i think it would do wonders for the team if he just got a little better at decision making, and became a little more of a facilitator instead of trying to force the issue.

we do seem to be a little hard on felton because every single player makes mistakes, but man he takes some shots and "lay ups" that just arent there and it drives me crazy!! lol

[ALuhrs704]

Felton overall had a great game, he makes some mistakes always but he was clutch and hit his shots. This was my favorite game all time for the bobcats, it was nice to see us fight off the celtics and the refs and clinch the victory. That okafor slam toward the end that sealed it did it for me, but the only reason felton has to go is that we all know he isnt going to be back with us next year. He is good, and he gets up the floor and drives the lane much better than dj. DJ will make mistakes as he learns, but id be happy with him at the point. I wish shannon could get some more pt. But hey was it not nice to see AMMO make an appearence tonight, he was hitting unbelievable shots and he was talking junk to celtics big dawgs such as KG and Perkins. And KG is a punk, he try to start stuff with all our little guys. It was ridiculous but i love when this team fights. Bottom line i hope this can change our season and put us on a run. The team has to like headlining sportscenter and actaully getting their highlights shown and be talked about.

[amour217]

I notice that this happens in late game situations when Felton brings up the ball. The offense just stagnates. I don't know if this is a product of the other 4 guys on the court just knowing that Felton is likely to drive or take an ill advised jumper with 17 seconds left on the clock or what. The lack of off the ball movement when Felton is running the point drives me nuts. Oftentimes, Felton himself ends up having to direct traffic.


One thing Ray could do is make smarter decisions on fast breaks off turnovers or long rebounds. So many times he will drive himself and shoot from a bad angle. The play where DJ did the sweet behind the back to a trailing Felton is an example of what to do in that situation. Those 4-6 points a game are often the difference betweens W's and L's.

For Ray, I think its just a bunch of small things that he needs to improve on and I think the W/L ratio will improve.

Not passing alleys to nobody in particular down 1 with less than 2 minutes to go with two defenders in between himself and that nobody in particular would help too.


That frustrates me a lot too. When you watched Rajon Rondo penetrate into the lane, you saw the rest of his teammates in constant movement, which almost always opened up the opportunity for Rondo to kick it outside to Allen or Pierce. When Ray does the same thing, however, a lot of the time our guys stand around and watch him drive the lane, then get stuck with nowhere to go; I mean come on guys, the drive-and-dish is a fairly basic concept that sometimes I don't think our team exactly gets

[Robertpel9]

Perhaps i am being too hard on Felton and remember I have just been to these 4 games and watched a road game on TV. I will be there for most all of them moving forward. Just from what i have seen he lacks discipline and care for the ball that is essential at the PG slot. It seems he may have some trade value and I think DJ will continue to develop. I think we should try to move Felton to fill in some other larger gaps the team has.

The other things i did not understand from last night:

1) Wallace was on fire in the first half and then warmed the bench for a bulk of the 2nd - He is somewhat reckless and careless also but he definitely brings the team needed energy. I also wish when he had the open look he would take it vsthinking about taking it for 2 seconds and then taking the shot anyway after over thinking it, i see that a lot. Overall he is a necessity for this team though IMO

2) Boris Diaw - I saw him be the glue of the team vs the bucks over the weekend then just sit on the three point line last night, why??? He must have been told to be out there per the offensive scheme but I could not figure it out

3) Free throws won that game for us, it was nice to see that consistency from the line. DJ especially seems to be as clutch as it gets from the line

Awesome game

[JamieMcNeill]

To say that Felts is of no use to the team is simply ridiculous. The only reason he is in trade talks is because DJ is the pg of the future and if we dont trade him we will either have to sign a backup point to starting point money or let all of his talent walk for nothing.
I along with a couple other people on this board (beagle) have admitted how we feel about DJ but i still think his energy of the bench (as long as he still gets minutes) is something that we cannot replace right now.

[TattoodCats4life]

After watching tonight's game and seeing Felton make a few mistakes and bad shots in the 4th I see where everyone is that wants to trade him...but he also lead in scoring. I'm wondering if its not best to make him a 2 (oh no like the Ham Biscuit did).... I also think maybe we could develop him into a great PG, and have 2 great PGs who can do whatever is needed (i.e. pass or shoot depending on the situation). We'll need to defer to Larry on that one... If we are looking to make a trade, which I feel based on the lack of rumors out there that we are deep in talks with someone, Ray showcased well as did Adam...but we'll have to wait.

[MilZo]

2) Boris Diaw - I saw him be the glue of the team vs the bucks over the weekend then just sit on the three point line last night, why??? He must have been told to be out there per the offensive scheme but I could not figure it out


Obviously he was staying within the offensive sheme for this matchup.
Do you want him to:
1) go one on one against on of the better defenders in the game
2) stay close to the basket so that Garnett can provide shotblocking on weakside help
3) use his shooting capability to draw Garnett outside of the lane?

Why do you focus on such and such individual performance on one game when it's pretty obvious that when facing the Celts you should focus on attacking their perimeter defense while limiting the help they get from their big men. Let's focus on playing good basketball, not on individual stats please.

[Felton for Prez]

Random musings from lasts night game while attempting to stay out of the omnipresent Raymond debate:

- why is it when we win any game does ESPN always refer to us as "lowly"? I know we don't win much but can't they find a thesaurus?
- Morrison shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless he's moving. He's not a spot up shooter. Even the 3's he does seem to hit he tends to fade away a little. Can someone combine Matt and Adam so we can have Robo-Shooter?
- Props to Mek for not fouling out last night. In such a physical game and with a lot of Boston favoritism, I didn't expect him to make it thru the 4th/OT.
- I really wish Ray hit DJ in the waning seconds of the 4th so he could've hit the foul shots. Ray isn't bad at the line, but DJ is automatic
- I have been wondering when teams would start to figure out our drive and dish mentality. Ray got busted on that a few times and I think we really need to watch that trend going fwd.
- I think Ray's T helped us win that game (despite what most have posted about him losing his cool). I guess I agree with Bonnell. That hurts me.
- I wonder what the rotation would've looked like had Bell played. DJ was abused by Rondo but we needed DJ to help w/ ball movement since they had the press on late.

and finally....
- I can't believe it took me this long and while I don't seem to have the basketball pedigree as some here (I played HS ball) but I finally figured out Ray's problem and I believe its a function of coaching and being on a bad team. That bad idea of an alley opp in the 4th spelled it out. A PG doesn't need to make the highlight play. In fact, as a former PG myself, I was always told to make the easy play and keep the ball moving. Ray has been expected to win games for us and that shouldn't be the case. A PG is kinda like a QB and in a system his job is to manage the game yet make a few plays to give the team a shot. I view Ray a lot like I view Jake Delhomme but without the Steve Smith bailout. Both make odd decisions that can make or break a game. I'd like Ray to become a Chad Pennington/Eli Manning and less Jake/Brett Favre.

[docend24]

You know Raymond is just being Raymond. You have times when you would trade him for barely anything just to get rid of his questionable decision making in clutch time which results in lost games, Then he will have a good or great game including some key plays resulting in a win. Followed by couple of solid games. But as soon as you are going to think "ok, he is actually valuable, has his flaws sometimes but as long as ...(insert: not taking so much shots, won't drive into the whole opponent team like crazy, etc.) he really is the asset", he will have a really awful game shooting something like 3-16 and making turnovers with realiable consistence. Then you would kill him and trade him for barely anything...

[Robertpel9]

Obviously he was staying within the offensive sheme for this matchup.
Do you want him to:
1) go one on one against on of the better defenders in the game
2) stay close to the basket so that Garnett can provide shotblocking on weakside help
3) use his shooting capability to draw Garnett outside of the lane?

Why do you focus on such and such individual performance on one game when it's pretty obvious that when facing the Celts you should focus on attacking their perimeter defense while limiting the help they get from their big men. Let's focus on playing good basketball, not on individual stats please.



I agree with some of that but watching it live i could see how the floor was spread and we gave up a lot of 2nd chance points to the Celt's as we had no low post presence. I am no Larry Brown so I trust his judgment but it was frustrating to see Diaw just a monument out on the 3 point line where i agree he is a decent shooter for a big man but certainly not as a regular weapon. Guess i will learn more about the team and how it flows as the games go by. A sin over a good team at home is all that matter right now

[MilZo]

I agree with some of that but watching it live i could see how the floor was spread and we gave up a lot of 2nd chance points to the Celt's as we had no low post presence. I am no Larry Brown so I trust his judgment but it was frustrating to see Diaw just a monument out on the 3 point line where i agree he is a decent shooter for a big man but certainly not as a regular weapon. Guess i will learn more about the team and how it flows as the games go by. A sin over a good team at home is all that matter right now

And I will agree that the rebounding was making me cringe at times, that was definitely a problem. Luckily Emeka was his usual beast on the glass.

[docend24]

I would actually like to see one game without Felton just to see how the rest of the backcourt would fare without him. Espeacially what Lil Sean would od with a part of Felton's minutes. Not telling Sean is better or anything I would just want to see him more to get a better picture how much ready to contribute he is. (not wishing anyone any injury or anything bad that's for sure)

[Slam]

Random musings from lasts night game while attempting to stay out of the omnipresent Raymond debate:

- why is it when we win any game does ESPN always refer to us as "lowly"? I know we don't win much but can't they find a thesaurus?
- Morrison shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless he's moving. He's not a spot up shooter. Even the 3's he does seem to hit he tends to fade away a little. Can someone combine Matt and Adam so we can have Robo-Shooter?
- Props to Mek for not fouling out last night. In such a physical game and with a lot of Boston favoritism, I didn't expect him to make it thru the 4th/OT.
- I really wish Ray hit DJ in the waning seconds of the 4th so he could've hit the foul shots. Ray isn't bad at the line, but DJ is automatic
- I have been wondering when teams would start to figure out our drive and dish mentality. Ray got busted on that a few times and I think we really need to watch that trend going fwd.
- I think Ray's T helped us win that game (despite what most have posted about him losing his cool). I guess I agree with Bonnell. That hurts me.
- I wonder what the rotation would've looked like had Bell played. DJ was abused by Rondo but we needed DJ to help w/ ball movement since they had the press on late.

and finally....
- I can't believe it took me this long and while I don't seem to have the basketball pedigree as some here (I played HS ball) but I finally figured out Ray's problem and I believe its a function of coaching and being on a bad team. That bad idea of an alley opp in the 4th spelled it out. A PG doesn't need to make the highlight play. In fact, as a former PG myself, I was always told to make the easy play and keep the ball moving. Ray has been expected to win games for us and that shouldn't be the case. A PG is kinda like a QB and in a system his job is to manage the game yet make a few plays to give the team a shot. I view Ray a lot like I view Jake Delhomme but without the Steve Smith bailout. Both make odd decisions that can make or break a game. I'd like Ray to become a Chad Pennington/Eli Manning and less Jake/Brett Favre.
- That's freaking hilarious!! I'm thinking they could use "common place" or "submissive" or even better, "mundane"!!
- No kidding! It's weird that I feel more confident when he shoots off one leg falling backwards with a defender in his grill than I do when his feet are set, he's square and there isn't a defender within 20 feet of him!
- I was amazed to see after the game that he had 17 boards! Was also good to see him go up strong a couple of times
- I held my breath when he didn't get the bal to DJ at the half court. When he missed the 1st ft, I let out a "FUCK" loud enough to wake the dead
- This is a new dimension that Felts has added over the last few games, and I really like it. If Hammer continues to knock down his shots, it's going to allow for some good spacing. I like the drive and kick, he just needs to know when to kick and when a guy is covered so not to kick
- I said at RGM, it's SUPER unusual to see Felts react that way. He's usually Mr Cool out there. I thought it was a dangerous time to do it, but I applaud him for doing it, Crash for pushing off on KG when he dunked on him and KG shoved him when he came down and DJ for not backing down from Pierce.
- Did Rondo really abuse DJ? DJ had only two turn overs for the entire 35mins he was on the court, and they were back to back and almost duplicated each other at the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th. Rondo turned the ball 9 times. He only made 5 shots and was -18 as opposed to DJ's +18. The refs called some BS fouls on DJ when he was guarding Rondo.
- Couldn't agree more. Been saying it for years. From the way he yo'yo's the ball for no reason at times, to losing the handle because he's trying to do something flashy, to the circus shots. If he just kept it simple and slowed it down a little, he (meaning we) would be much better off for it.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

i've been reading some criticism about diaw hanging around the perimeter...what's wrong with that?? he's shotting 50% on 3-pts right now, and i feel good to see him shoot them. he is also very selective, he may take 2 a night...maybe 3 at the most. a lot of the times he is open to take the shots

my ony criticism about yesterday is seeing GW hanging around perimeter corners. he should drive the ball in or pass, but i saw him settle for jump shots or 3-pts. i really like GW but i can't stand seeing him take a shot from the outside

[Slam]

I think MilZo nailed it and I thought the same thing watching the game last night.

Maybe Diaw was out of the paint under instruction so that he would pull KG away from the paint to open things up in there for us.

I actually thought Diaw played one of his best, if not the best, Bobcats games he has played for us. His D was solid, he played under control, initiated the break and shot the ball really effecienlty.

[Robertpel9]

I think MilZo nailed it and I thought the same thing watching the game last night.

Maybe Diaw was out of the paint under instruction so that he would pull KG away from the paint to open things up in there for us.

I actually thought Diaw played one of his best, if not the best, Bobcats games he has played for us. His D was solid, he played under control, initiated the break and shot the ball really effecienlty.


Hmmmmm, i thought Diaw's game vs the Bucks last Saturday was a top tier performance, i was not as impressed last night but it could have been a product of the offensive scheme LB made up. Personally i think whatever we gained moving Diaw out we lost in second chance points having no one to rebound. But a win is a win so i'll take it. Diaw to be is not a perimeter player, he does wekk working toe corners of the key moving the ball and making plays inside. I think whn Bell gets back from injury we will see more of that

Man, what a game, i was there so got home late and am running on less than 5 hours of sleep but it was a rush

[Mustachio]

Diaw did play excellent defense last night... stayed in front of his man at all times.

he also was a major force behind us not getting out of control and too caught up in the chippie play. When things were getting heated, he kept his head. I saw several instances where someone would hack hard with no foul and he would just bite his lip and move on. Stepping in to calm situations down almost everytime. He just played like a smart veteran should tonight.

Also. how awesome was the enforcer Juwan Howards clothesline on Big Baby. I think Juwan was the one who set the tempo and attitude for that game. The very first time he stepped in, he got some roughing from Kendrick Perkins. And he let it be known that that shit wasn't gonna fly. And i think from then on, the whole Bobcats team decided that the bully wasn't gonna come in and push them around.

[Slam]

Also. how awesome was the enforcer Juwan Howards clothesline on Big Baby.
I thought it was disgusting and totally uncalled for (said so at the time on RGM).

If an opposing player had done that to Crash we would have screamed bloody murder.

[Mustachio]

I thought it was disgusting and totally uncalled for (said so at the time on RGM).

If an opposing player had done that to Crash we would have screamed bloody murder.


yes we would have. and have done so before actually. But i think its something we have been missing on our team. Some nastiness. that nastiness lead us to victory against a superior opponent tonight i think.

[Slam]

Playing with a swagger and playing dirty are two very different things in my book.

[amour217]

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[Ghost Kat]

I knew the Felton Debate would fire up again after this game. Once again you see the pro's and con's of Felton all in one game. I've read here a couple times if it wasn't for the shots or the rebounds or the passes of Felton we wouldn't have won the game..True... But if we traded him got other players you sayin they couldn't do that too?
Felton had a great game last night, but you still saw for every clutch shot he hit, He missed three or four that were just as clutch. I don't know why when he drives to the basket he's always more worried bout the contact then making the shot ,especially in late game situations. But the thing about Felton is He was "great" last night, He'll probably shot 2-12 tonight.. and thats Felton

[110oldeast]

What Felton has to do is learn how to communicate to the coaches when he is fatigued, to get a Timeout, a breather or something. He has often made late mistakes like going for a quick offensive play when fatigued, such as some of his forced passes or quick pullup jumpers. As someone who has watched him play, I have seen this pattern and it frustrates me like others. Part of the issue is the fact that he can play so many minutes and through so much that coaches don't really pick up on his fatigue and he doesn't say anything. But you can always tell, b/c that is exactly when he will come down and try to get a quick score or pass when it just doesn't fit.

In this game, he played 44 minutes, running around on defense against Ray Allen, switching to Rondo during the point of the game where he picked up a couple of quick fouls on DJ, picked his pocket, and began to aggressively penetrate (late 3rd and early 4th quarter when Boston was taking over), while alternating b/w playmaker and shotmaker. As a previous poster mentioned, this is his 3rd coach in 4 years and first real system or coaching as an NBA pg. Unfortunately, he is not just learning the right things the first time as DJ is, he is unlearning previous things as well. It's funny to me how Bobcats fans can talk about other players having to go through multiple coaches while blowing off the fact that the position--pg--most dependent on coaching continuity has had NONE. Never mind the fact that he has played with ZERO PFs until now with Diaw getting here.

Finally, I would not even say last night was the most clutch he has been, although he had some big moments. He's had plenty of moments (and ability to get to the line and make--which was at the top of the team ft wise before DJ) which is why the coaches have gone back to him considering we don't have a Kobe, Wade, etc. Do folks really think he has just independently tried to do things w/o the coaches behind it and continually be allowed to? In his Bobcats time, I have seen plenty of better examples at home and on the road (as well as his share of failures), but I don't feel as though there was the local media push to embrace him as Bonnell did with DJ. Rick was then protecting Brevin Knight while constantly looking for someone other than Felton, which he finally got this year. It has helped make it easier to frame views of them. But you don't get the 2nd most rookie of the months to CP3 in that class by being a bum. Unfortunately, he has not had the coaching, or organizational stability to develop properly these last 3 years. Even more unfortunately, once the organization seems to have gotten its head out of its butts (i.e. realizing Sean May was not the PF of the future), he seems to be on his way out.

I understand the idea of trading Felton to get something for him. I would argue as the person who has begged for a PF the last couple of years, that unless we are getting ride of Diaw this is not to time to trade him for another PF such as Randolph, Lee, Wright, etc. as this team needs a 2g shotmaker who can help close out games.

[110oldeast]

I think Howard's play was dirty, BUT it was also a veteran move understanding the type of game it was and to signal the team wouldn't be intimidated.

My request of the guys, especially the big guys, is can we start to YELL OUT screens. Felton got popped on one of those and I've seen Gerald get hit multiple times. It's odd to me for us to be defensive minded but to routinely see our guys get squashed on picks. We have to clean that up.

[110oldeast]

Maybe we can get that. You likely won't get the ballhandling, pg depth, and defense as well. That said, I would agree that if we are going to get another player, it would make sense to be a 2g who can be a closeout guy, meaning you would need to dump some other contract in there.


I knew the Felton Debate would fire up again after this game. Once again you see the pro's and con's of Felton all in one game. I've read here a couple times if it wasn't for the shots or the rebounds or the passes of Felton we wouldn't have won the game..True... But if we traded him got other players you sayin they couldn't do that too?
Felton had a great game last night, but you still saw for every clutch shot he hit, He missed three or four that were just as clutch. I don't know why when he drives to the basket he's always more worried bout the contact then making the shot ,especially in late game situations. But the thing about Felton is He was "great" last night, He'll probably shot 2-12 tonight.. and thats Felton

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I think Howard's play was dirty, BUT it was also a veteran move understanding the type of game it was and to signal the team wouldn't be intimidated.

My request of the guys, especially the big guys, is can we start to YELL OUT screens. Felton got popped on one of those and I've seen Gerald get hit multiple times. It's odd to me for us to be defensive minded but to routinely see our guys get squashed on picks. We have to clean that up.

it was dirty, but the celtics were playing dirty the whole game, i mean you have KG throwing elbows at ammo...then in OT you have pierce shoving DJ..

sure , it was a little too much...but if you are going to foul someone (specially an average FT shooter like baby face) you foul and make sure they can't get off their shot. i see too many times ammo and carrol not fouling hard enough to prevent the shot and the team getting "and one"

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Like I said, Juwan knew what he was doing. I am glad he did it for us AND that Big Baby wasn't hurt. I think there was a lot of talking that was going on out there as well, because when I watched the replay of the DJ/Pierce thing, it seemed that it was as much a matter of having listened to them yap all game than actual physicality.

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I knew the Felton Debate would fire up again after this game. Once again you see the pro's and con's of Felton all in one game. I've read here a couple times if it wasn't for the shots or the rebounds or the passes of Felton we wouldn't have won the game..True... But if we traded him got other players you sayin they couldn't do that too?
Felton had a great game last night, but you still saw for every clutch shot he hit, He missed three or four that were just as clutch. I don't know why when he drives to the basket he's always more worried bout the contact then making the shot ,especially in late game situations. But the thing about Felton is He was "great" last night, He'll probably shot 2-12 tonight.. and thats Felton

if you look at our team by individual player there is a lot of inconsistency. specially since we don't have a "star" player who will put double figures 95% of the time

if anything diaw is the most consistent player we have right now.

again, if felton doesnt show up again, somebody else should be picking up after him

i won't go any further on this felton thing because it gets old after a while. he is the starter, the plays are drawn for him, LB has selected him. if you trust LB no reason to keep questioning why felton is the better PG.

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when I watched the replay of the DJ/Pierce thing, it seemed that it was as much a matter of having listened to them yap all game than actual physicality.
The funny thing about that was that on replay it looked like DJ initiated the push and shove, not the other way around.

DJ was walking past Pierce and slapped his hand down.

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Exactly. That's why I figured it was about talking more than anything. The KG/Morrison/Carroll and Big Baby/Felton things were physical. I felt like DJ/PP thing was a culmination of the talking that had gone on. That's just what I got from watching on TV.


The funny thing about that was that on replay it looked like DJ initiated the push and shove, not the other way around.

DJ was walking past Pierce and slapped his hand down.

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I thought KG was going to have a freak out when Hammer beat him on the floor for that loose rebound and was going to come up swinging!!

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I missed that (bad luck with links), is it somewhere?