How awesome would it be if?

[G-Force for MVP]

the bobcats beat the cavs in their home town. The cavs still are undefeated at home and if the cats win maybe people will start talking about them and showing some respect and not keep saying how they suck.

[Mustachio]

the bobcats beat the cavs in their home town. The cavs still are undefeated at home and if the cats win maybe people will start talking about them and showing some respect and not keep saying how they suck.


I think that if we do beat the Cavs on a back to back at their place... we will definitely get some buzz. and deservedly so, those are arguably the two best teams in the East if not the league.

We need to take some momentum and the attitude we got from last nights game through the season. We have been pushovers far too long. We have talent and coaching, now we just got to get that winners attitude.

[TattoodCats4life]

It would be totally awesome, but it would push the Cavs down to #2 seed (as we just did the celtics) and bump the celts back to the #1 seed... The news would say something about us being on fire, "those tired bobcats that just beat boston in OT, now beat the Cavs in 2/OT" :) woot!

[Slam]

After beating the Lakers and the Celtics last season anything is possible!

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i will say that if we can beat them tonight back to back, we might be on to something.

every game we win..i get my hopes up , here's where our 10 game winning streak starts.

but...i end up getting dissapointed, specially when we lose to a bad team

im going to be cautious tonight...

[Ghost Kat]

Once again, Sadly Felton will be the X factor. Wallace on Lebron sounds like a good match up, But i swear the NBA ref's hate the Bobcats. I've noticed in the last couple games that somethings have been off with the foul calling. It's like we have to beat the other team, the ref's, and the haters round the league everynight !!!

[DanielWheeler]

Better than sex!

Ok not THAT good, but it would be good!

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Once again, Sadly Felton will be the X factor. Wallace on Lebron sounds like a good match up, But i swear the NBA ref's hate the Bobcats. I've noticed in the last couple games that somethings have been off with the foul calling. It's like we have to beat the other team, the ref's, and the haters round the league everynight !!!

i dont understand this felton thing.

i feel that if he is that bad, the why is he the "X" factor, shouldn't DJ step in for him?

since when is felton responsible for our offensive output?

and since when is one player the key to winning or losing that game? maybe if felton was the superstar and we rely on him for everything.. like lebron and the cavs two years ago...but we are much more balanced than that,

i getting really tired of reading the same non sense about felton, people are just confused about what his responsabilities are

if you want to make the same "x factor" argument, then i think ammo or carrol are the x factor.. if they score 12 pts we win

bottom line is we do not lose or win games due to felton, this is a team sport and he is not supposed to be our clutch player or offensive star

[110oldeast]

I think it will be a matter of energy. I hope the guys can do it though. And like Kat said, I think Felton (and his and LB's ability to pace him) will be one X-factor. So will DJ for that matter. The ability to defend Gibson, Williams, and West and still be solid on the offensive end will be a key. Without Raja, these guys are tough covers for Carroll and Ammo, but will often be on the floor together (at least 2 of them).

[110oldeast]

He's not that bad. And you're right about folks knowing what his responsibilities are. I agreed that he is ONE X-factor, but that is b/c of the DEFENSIVE end as much as the offensive end. He can play bigger defensively than DJ or Singletary and is quicker than Ammo and Carroll. Offensively, he and DJ do a good job of giving the team multiple penetrating and playmaking options.

That said, you are correct that it is a TEAM sport (meaning many of our players will have up and down moments) and we are more balanced. However, he is the most polarizing figure on the team, which is why you continue to read the same stuff.

I hope that we are able to somewhat neutralize Big Z. Getting him in foul trouble would go a long way to helping us, as coming close to even on the boards will be a big part of beating the Cavs. They kill you on the offensive glass and often control the game here.


i dont understand this felton thing.

i feel that if he is that bad, the why is he the "X" factor, shouldn't DJ step in for him?

since when is felton responsible for our offensive output?

and since when is one player the key to winning or losing that game? maybe if felton was the superstar, like lebron two years ago...but we are much more balanced

i getting really tired of reading the same non sense about felton, people are just confused about what his responsabilities are

we do not lose or win games due to felton, this is a team sport

[ammofan]

The cavs are definatley beatable

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The cavs are definatley beatable

any team is beatable in the NBA...but given the circumstance, playing an OT game the night before against the Celtics (#1 or #2 best team in the eastern conference) is physically/mentally exhausting

no doubt this is a huge challenge for us..and any other team if they were facing the same situation..this will be opportunity for growth for all our players

[dav7z]

Once again, Sadly Felton will be the X factor. Wallace on Lebron sounds like a good match up, But i swear the NBA ref's hate the Bobcats. I've noticed in the last couple games that somethings have been off with the foul calling. It's like we have to beat the other team, the ref's, and the haters round the league everynight !!!

Kat i agree with you about Felton being the x factor tonight. You started me thinking about his games . Im not a stat junkie but would love to know this stat .
How a rested Felton plays ,shooting percentage, ppg , boards , assist, V/S Felton playing on the second half of a back to back . I know for sure he has many more bail out shots on back to backs. I think because of lack of ball movement.
I counted four missed bail out shots last night . This is where Wallace , Daiw and Mek need to step up . Taking shoots with the clock on thair back instead of kicking it to RAY with just two or three seconds left on the clock. Ray for sure is not a go to guy .
ALL so i've noticed Ray don't seen to have the legs on the sceond half of a back to back . I would really be interested to see those numbers if any one could get them . Step you stat junkies.

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Kat i agree with you about Felton being the x factor tonight. You started me thinking about his games . Im not a stat junkie but would love to know this stat .
How a rested Felton plays ,shooting percentage, ppg , boards , assist, V/S Felton playing on the second half of a back to back . I know for sure he has many more bail out shots on back to backs. I think because of lack of ball movement.
I counted four missed bail out shots last night . This is where Wallace , Daiw and Mek need to step up . Taking shoots with the clock on thair back instead of kicking it to RAY with just two or three seconds left on the clock. Ray for sure is not a go to guy .
ALL so i've noticed Ray don't seen to have the legs on the sceond half of a back to back . I would really be interested to see those numbers if any one could get them . Step you stat junkies.

davz, if wallace/diaw/mek can't get the open shot and they kick it to RF, is it his fault that he has to take a shot with 3 secs left in the shot clock?

a lot of RF missed shots and "bail out shots" he takes are handed to him either by the play breaking down or someone passing the ball to him with the shot clock winding down

his passing might be questionnable sometimes, trying to force a play, but i don't think he wants to take all these shots that people keep criticize him for. i don't think he sees himself as the clutch player of the team.

[dav7z]

davz, if wallace/diaw/mek can't get the open shot and they kick it to RF, is it his fault that he has to take a shot with 3 secs left in the shot clock?

a lot of RF missed shots and "bail out shots" he takes are handed to him either by the play breaking down or someone passing the ball to him with the shot clock winding down

his passing might be questionnable sometimes, trying to force a play, but i don't think he wants to take all these shots that people keep criticize him for. i don't think he sees himself as the clutch player of the team.

Compleatly agree with you . I was trying to say just that. ;[ Bail outs have to be considered when talking about his shooting percentage ]
But i would love to know what his shooting percentage is on the first and then 2nd half of back to backs.

[Slam]

Im not a stat junkie but would love to know this stat .
How a rested Felton plays ,shooting percentage, ppg , boards , assist, V/S Felton playing on the second half of a back to back .
Here you go Dav.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3931/splits;_ylt=AhT0U1jnDeevTCWk5Da33XccPaB4


On Felts - I'll NEVER forget the game that he made the entire Cavs team, and especially LBJ, his bitch and took over in the 2nd half.

He was un-frigging-stoppable.

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Here you go Dav.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3931/splits;_ylt=AhT0U1jnDeevTCWk5Da33XccPaB4


On Felts - I'll NEVER forget the game that he made the entire Cavs team, and especially LBJ, his bitch and took over in the 2nd half.

He was un-frigging-stoppable.

interesting that there really isn't much difference between 0 or 1 or 2 days rest..

only weird thing is him taking more shots on average when he has 0 days rest.. his FT percentage drops a lot too, wonder why

[dav7z]

Thanks Slam you the man . He shoots seven percent better with a day off at 42 percent v/s 35 percent on the second day of a back to back. He most have truble getting his legs with no days off. He all so shoots six percent better at home than on the road . Wonder if that stat is average,
If thease numbers hold true Felton is going to suck tonight though i really hope he don't . Thanks Slam great find.

[Felton for Prez]

I am going to temper my expectations and just ask that we keep it close. No Z tonight so I'd like to see the team force feed Mek all night.

[110oldeast]

If you look at his minutes played on back to backs at nearly 42 minutes a game, that should tell you part of it. That's also a part of why his attempts and TOs likely go up as well, in part b/c of more minutes, but in part b/c of what I have mentioned before about when he is fatigued. That is why I was saying about how his minutes were monitored tonight being relevant.

People are so used to him doing superhuman physical things that they don't think about the impact. 2 of his strengths, durability and stamina, are a double edged sword as he often plays times when he should be resting (whether due to injury or fatigue). Furthermore, people ignoring him often switching to or defending whoever the tougher covers are for the opposition. When doing this on back to backs, it is going to wear on you. The difference is he is not just being put out there as a defensive stopper. He is having to do this and be an integral part of the offense as orchestrator or co-orchestrator.

Many pgs, including DJ for us now, are able to defend either the pg or the cover requiring less energy. This makes sense as it is mentally and physically taxing to do what the team has Felton do. Running around with Ray Allen all night, then switching on Rondo once he gets started, then going back to Allen while playing 44 or 47 minutes takes a lot out of a player, especially a guy who will play through anything for the team.

It's really not that complicated. Look at the back to back against NJ. The first game he locked down Devin Harris (4-15) and had 22 on 6-11 himself in us winning. The next game he struggled playing 43 minutes and went 5-17 as DJ was hurt/out of sync keeping him on the floor more.

Finally, I think Larry doesn't preserve him in back to back situations at all and often plays him heavy minutes (perhaps to trying to preserve DJ). A fatigued Felton makes more mistakes and shoots worse. I will agree w/you about shots with clock winding down having effected his percentage and being too often equated with him trying to a hero when it is understanding that you don't just take a 24 second violation. It's good to hear Big Z is out. We will see how tonight goes.


Thanks Slam you the man . He shoots seven percent better with a day off at 42 percent v/s 35 percent on the second day of a back to back. He most have truble getting his legs with no days off. He all so shoots six percent better at home than on the road . Wonder if that stat is average,
If thease numbers hold true Felton is going to suck tonight though i really hope he don't . Thanks Slam great find.

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while we are on the topic, just watched the post game interview with LB..

this goes with what davz and myself posted above

LB words: raymond made some huge plays and DJ down the stretch the 3 i was begging him to shoot...it looked like we were just going to raymond putting so much pressure on him


frankly i like felton but he is not a consistent clutch player, it is not fair to expect him to make these clutch shots because that is not his true role.

[TattoodCats4life]

frankly i like felton but he is not a consistent clutch player, it is not fair to expect him to make these clutch shots because that is not his true role.


100% agreed, Felton doesn't play bad ball...He's been messed around so much (3 coaches in 3 years, and not knowing which spot or if he'd even start for the damn ham biscuit) so its going to take him some time to get adjusted and figure out a role... My only issue is in the 4th quarter he tries to shoulder the team if Wallace isn't and he doesn't do that very well... All this said I'd love for him to stay, but I don't know what kind of salary we'd be able to offer to keep him, He's not going to want Emeka money, but I'd be he wont take Matt Carroll money..He's probably going to want 5,5.5,6,6.5,7,PO7, like 6 yr 38-40 mil, and I'm not sure we're going to pay that... we'd probably do 4milx6 he'd say no and that'd be it...So that is the main reason I've been on the "trade felton" wagon of late. We should get something back for him, and it should be something fairly good (as felton is).

2 cents for ya

[ALuhrs704]

well it wouldve been awsome but it seems like the boston game took a toll on our energy level for the game as we were demolished, but im still riding high on this win for boston lets hope we can rest and replinish with a win on our next won cuz tonight (vs cle) we didnt have it

[Ghost Kat]

i dont understand this felton thing.

i feel that if he is that bad, the why is he the "X" factor, shouldn't DJ step in for him?

since when is felton responsible for our offensive output?

and since when is one player the key to winning or losing that game? maybe if felton was the superstar and we rely on him for everything.. like lebron and the cavs two years ago...but we are much more balanced than that,

i getting really tired of reading the same non sense about felton, people are just confused about what his responsabilities are

if you want to make the same "x factor" argument, then i think ammo or carrol are the x factor.. if they score 12 pts we win

bottom line is we do not lose or win games due to felton, this is a team sport and he is not supposed to be our clutch player or offensive star


The reason I called Felton the X factor for that game was he was coming off probably his best game of the year, How would he respond? He usually goes 3-13 after good games, but he had a ok game Vs. the Cav's. It's a guessing game every night as to which Raymond will show up. Thats why i called him the X factor for this game.
U ask since when was Felton responsible for our offensive output. I'm guessing i know what you meant by that statement. But you do realize Felton is a PG and there job to produce offense right? They start plays, get people into postions , make passes, So yes i would say that would make him responsible for the teams offensive output... just not solely Responsible.
If Felton isn't suppose to be our Cluth player or Offensive star please tell me why he fell he needs to always take the big shots?? Every game we come back sayin Felton tried to take over in the 4th when the game was close. Most posters agree he takes to many Hero type shots when he should have passed or driven to the lane. The late shot of the game before OT with Boston. Felton took the game winner. Why? I know he was somewhat hot that game but I'm sure there was a better idea.
You also stated PEOPLE are confused about Feltons responsiblities. The people are only confused becuase Felton doesn't seem to know himself.
I honestly think he plays way to many minutes. He's tired, Has to be. I'll all for seeing Lil Sean gets more minutes. He comes in with some energy, plays tight defense and can make a jumper. We play pretty good with the Mini's in the backcourt.

[dav7z]

Stats proved he shoots much better with rest . Shooting 42 percent rested. All so Wallace , Mek seem to very content to NOT take a bailout shoot. No one wanted the bailout shoot even Swish . They all passed it to Felton with three seconds left on the clock . This only shows the true need for a go to player . One who wants the big shot.
I agree Felts needs his mins cut, but til now a Felton shooting 35 percent was better than the other guys on the beanch produced . Lil Shan has a nice defencive presence and can hit the open shot in addition he has a nice handle with the ball. That all so prevents DJ from having all the responabiliy, having a second ball handler. I have no problem playing Lil Shan more to have a more consistant Felton .

[dav7z]

Stats proved he shoots much better with rest . Shooting 42 percent rested. All so Wallace , Mek seem to very content to NOT take a bailout shoot. No one wanted the bailout shoot even Swish . They all passed it to Felton with three seconds left on the clock . This only shows the true need for a go to player . One who wants the big shot.
I agree Felts needs his mins cut but til now a Felton shooting 35 percent was better than what the other guys on the beanch produced thair for heavy mins. Lil Shan has a nice defencive presence and can hit the open shot in addition he has a nice handle with the ball. That all so prevents DJ from having all the responabiliy, having a second ball handler. I have no problem playing Lil Shan more to have a more consistant Felton .