The Official Demar DeRozan Thread

[Slam]

Post all things relating to this player here

[JamieMcNeill]

All those who havent seen much of him should watch him tonight against UCLA. I am after the UNC game :D and will provide whatever scouting i get from the game
if i can find it somewhere.
Ok its gonna be on FSN South so im good

[ohara831]

15 pts 5 reb 5 TO in a loss to UCLA. An OK outing, but nothing spectacular. He has failed to impress the Scouts so far this season. Not living up to the hype at all. He'd really do better to stay in school another yr, but you know someone is going to draft him late lottery or in the 1st round somewhere, so I'm afraid he's coming out. Could really end up stunting the growth potential of the young man.

[JamieMcNeill]

15 pts 5 reb 5 TO in a loss to UCLA. An OK outing, but nothing spectacular. He has failed to impress the Scouts so far this season. Not living up to the hype at all. He'd really do better to stay in school another yr, but you know someone is going to draft him late lottery or in the 1st round somewhere, so I'm afraid he's coming out. Could really end up stunting the growth potential of the young man.

Ok i definitely noticed something about him last night. Taj Gibson got into foul trouble only 5 minutes into the game and i saw Derozan do something i hadnt seen before. He asserted himself on offense. I saw an excellent midrange game and pretty good dribbling ability. He scored nearly all those points while Taj was out. For some reason Derozan is letting his more experienced teammates do all the work. Im not sure why he is letting his talent go to waste. Despite an "OK outing" i think Derozan showed me a couple things. Most of his bad play occurred with Taj in the lineup. This further shows that Derozan is an excellent talent with serious skills who lacks a consistent killer instinct.

[amour217]

DeI DeHaven't DeGotten DeThe DeChance DeTo DeSee Demar DeRozan DeYet.

[JamieMcNeill]

DeI DeHaven't DeGotten DeThe DeChance DeTo DeSee Demar DeRozan DeYet.

haha he plays harden on thursday

[SWedd523]

For some reason Derozan is letting his more experienced teammates do all the work.
I can't remember where I saw it, but he said he was trying to be the anti-Mayo by coming in and being part of the team instead of taking over every game. He said he was going to defer to his older teammates so they could have a better team.


I kind of like that in a guy, especially one who's supposed to be a superstar.

[JamieMcNeill]

I can't remember where I saw it, but he said he was trying to be the anti-Mayo by coming in and being part of the team instead of taking over every game. He said he was going to defer to his older teammates so they could have a better team.


I kind of like that in a guy, especially one who's supposed to be a superstar.
Yea i know exactly what your talking about. It was an ESPN article. But i believe hes taken it too far. I mean with Taj out he scored 11-13 points in the first half and then was a complete non-factor after.

A happy medium?

[coordinator0]

Well, I wouldn't be too upset if we took him late lottery. Top 10 would be kinda iffy, but if he can be more consistent over the season I can see a player with his physical tools cracking the top 10. The main thing I want from a 2 at this point is the ability to create for others, and I don't think he has shown this ability yet.

[JamieMcNeill]

Well, I wouldn't be too upset if we took him late lottery. Top 10 would be kinda iffy, but if he can be more consistent over the season I can see a player with his physical tools cracking the top 10. The main thing I want from a 2 at this point is the ability to create for others, and I don't think he has shown this ability yet.

I almost hope he continues to underachieve so that he will be available later in the draft because when this kid takes over a game. he takes it over. i saw that against ucla.

[Slam]

I've seen DeRozan about 5 times and not once have I been impressed. I've read that he is an athletic freak, but I haven't seen him put that on display once. His handles seem very limited which makes him pretty much a catch and shoot sort of guy. He has nice form on his J, but he doesn't really execute quick enough to get his shot off at a high rate.

He often looks a little lost on the defensive end - especially when it comes to help D. He often loses his guy on back cuts which leaves the lane wide open for easy layups for the opposing teams.

I just don't see what all the hype is about. It's not like there is any one thing that makes me think "wow, this kid has an amazing trait, if he builds on it and adds to it he will be special".

I'm really surprised to read some of you guys saying that you like it that he deferring to his team mates. That's the last thing I want in a player!! I want a guy who wants to take over and is a killer. Someone who believes and shows he belongs. Not some who is passive - ESPECIALLY one who is supposedly a super star in the making!!

He seems to me to be a less athletic Gerald Green.

BTW - USC play ASU tomorrow night (Jan 15th). Can't WAIT to see Harden and DeRozan go at it.

[Slam]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jo-derozan011509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[ohara831]

We are now sitting with the #9 pick. Playing Chad Ford's Draft Lottery on ESPN, we keep coming up with DeRozan at #9, and sometimes Curry. Only Curry if he's not taken before #9, but usually he is taken before us. Still, with all his potential, if DeRozan falls to us at #9 or later, probably worth taking.

[ohara831]

Boy did he shine last night. 22 vs ASU and Harden only had 4. Ouch.

[Slam]

I didn't see the game, but it sounds like DeRozan did all his damage in the 2nd half when he scored 19 of his 22 points after only scoring 3 in the 1st half!

I'd like to know how he scored his points.

[Slam]

We are now sitting with the #9 pick. Playing Chad Ford's Draft Lottery on ESPN, we keep coming up with DeRozan at #9, and sometimes Curry. Only Curry if he's not taken before #9, but usually he is taken before us. Still, with all his potential, if DeRozan falls to us at #9 or later, probably worth taking.
Me too. The only time it's been different for me was once when we landed the #3 pick and we took Thabeet, even though Harden was still on the board.

:g:

[coordinator0]

Me too. The only time it's been different for me was once when we landed the #3 pick and we took Thabeet, even though Harden was still on the board.

:g:

I've gotten Griffin with the #1 pick a couple of times :). As for DeRozan, I'm still not sold on him...

[Slam]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-090123



2. DeMar DeRozan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19262), Fr., USC
DeRozan is the reverse of Harden. On paper, he looks like an elite prospect: He possess incredible athleticism, a chiseled NBA-ready body and a court demeanor that suggests he's always in control. However, his production on the court has been a disappointment.

DeRozan seems to lack the aggressiveness or offensive weapons to really take over a game. His play has improved lately, but he's still not dominating the way scouts thought he would. On potential, he's one of the top five prospects in the draft. But NBA execs are choosing production over potential these days, which means DeRozan might be better served returning to USC for his sophomore year.

[JamieMcNeill]

depending on where our pick is (or if we can trade some of our bs players for picks) and also depending on if he comes out. Maybe we can get DeRozan late. We have tried getting scorer who need to improve their athleticism and that didnt work so maybe an athlete who needs to improve his scoring some? Im just saying a guy with that kind of potential would be a steal from 12-15ish.

[westbrook08]

I really am on the fence about this kid.On one hand I think if the cats are going to ever get a star 2 guard we need to take a kid with potential in the draft and develop him,because,let's face it none of the elite ones already in the league are going to sign here.On the other hand,I just keep thinking gerald green,over and over.

[SWedd523]

25/3/4/1 in USC's final win against Arizona State

[coordinator0]

Not much talk of this guy lately but he has had 3 solid outings the last 3 games.

2008-2009 Game Log Rebounds

DATE OPP RESULT MIN FG FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA PTS OFF DEF TOT AST TO STL BLK PF

3/12 @California (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/clubhouse?teamId=25) W 79-75 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=290710025) 35 6 12 4 4 1 2 17 1 10 11 1 1 0 3 4
3/13 @UCLA (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/clubhouse?teamId=26) W 65-55 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=290720026) 33 7 12 6 8 1 1 21 5 8 13 2 5 2 0 3
3/14 @Arizona St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/clubhouse?teamId=9) W 66-63 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=290730009) ? 10 16 4 7 1 3 25 2 1 3 4 0 1 0 1

Sorry for the format, I didn't feel like typing it all out lol.

[ohara831]

I have to say his play in the Pac-10 Tourney and the 2 games in the NCAA Tourney did show what he is capable of being on the Court. Helped his stock immensely. Right now with #13, the ESPN Draft has him coming to the Cats. I could live with that at #13.

[coordinator0]

I watched the entire game of U.S.C. and Michigan State the other day, and I must say that he really impressed. His mid-range jumper and driving ability looked pretty good, and you can tell that he's a great athlete. However, his ball-handling still leaves a little to be desired. I'm not sure about his 3pt shooting either, as it seemed that he didn't take many. Maybe I just didn't notice him taking any, Hackett took a lot though lol. Right now I wouldn't mind taking him, but I still like Evan Turner more.

[Slam]

He's still terrible on D and gets abused with baseline cuts. His handles are still shaky at best. He might be super athletic but he doesn't really explode to the rim and use it in traffic.

In saying that, he is MUCH improved from the start of the season. I've seen him use a nice little spin move a couple of times lately that I don't think he had at the start of the season. It's super quick and super effective.

There are still 2 or 3 other guys I'd take at #13 before I would take him.

[Slam]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TourneyWatch-090323


DeRozan struggled for much of the season, but he really started coming on in March at a critical time for USC. Averaging 19 ppg in March, he looked like a legit lottery pick during the Pac-10 tournament and the first two rounds of the NCAA tournament.
DeRozan had 18 points and nine rebounds versus Boston College on Friday and 18 points and five boards versus Michigan State on Sunday. He has become much more aggressive on the offensive end and is starting to regain confidence in his jump shot.
He still needs to work on his jumper, but when you factor in his elite athleticism, NBA body and unselfishness, he projects as a lottery pick, even after a subpar season. Another year at USC would be ideal but, if he declares, don't be shocked if he lands in the top 10 in June.

[SWedd523]

I still think DeRozan has been hesitant to be the man like Mayo was before him. My honest belief is that once Pac-10 and Championship Tourney time came around, he realized he had to play up to his potential to get the win.

I will say though that in High School, he was amazing because he was super athletic. He didn't have to develop an outside shot or amazing handles so he probably wasn't fully ready for the college level. Now he's starting to figure out what he needs to do. The next step is the NBA.


He has the potential and skill in him, he just hasn't asserted himself. If he commits himself and works on those skills, he'll pick it up and be a very solid NBA player because we can all see that the potential is there

[Slam]

I think he hasn't been the man at USC because he doesn't have the ability to be the man. He can't create for himself so it's not like you can just get him the ball, sit back and watch him make it happen.

That's not to say he wont be able to one day, but I think he is a massive risk. In saying that, he also has the potential of massive reward. There is just too much of gap between to the two for my liking considering where we are and what we need.

[SWedd523]

I think he hasn't been the man at USC because he doesn't have the ability to be the man. He can't create for himself so it's not like you can just get him the ball, sit back and watch him make it happen.

That's not to say he wont be able to one day, but I think he is a massive risk. In saying that, he also has the potential of massive reward. There is just too much of gap between to the two for my liking considering where we are and what we need.
The same could be said about Rudy Gay in 2006. If you pick safe, your best case is "okay" (unless its a lock for greatness, Griffin) and worst case is "bad" (Morrison). If you pick risky, your best bet is "great" (Gay) and your worst bet is "bad" (Ty Thomas).

It's one of those risks you have to weigh. If we take him we can possibly have a great player, but you don't want to risk it. If we pass him we can get a solid player but possibly miss out on the greatness.

[Slam]

The same could be said about Rudy Gay in 2006. If you pick safe, your best case is "okay" (unless its a lock for greatness, Griffin) and worst case is "bad" (Morrison). If you pick risky, your best bet is "great" (Gay) and your worst bet is "bad" (Ty Thomas).

It's one of those risks you have to weigh. If we take him we can possibly have a great player, but you don't want to risk it. If we pass him we can get a solid player but possibly miss out on the greatness.
Funny you should mention Gay because that's who I have as DeRozan's absolute ceiling. The current version of Gay - which is good but not great.

Back in '06 at least Gay could take a couple of dribbles and pull up for the J. He also had/hashas a wicked fade away jumper. He also would explode to the rim and throw down. Not only that, but he is a very good defender.

I don't see any of those things in DeRozan. With all this talk of him being an amazing athlete, I don't think I have EVER seen him throw down in traffic or take his guy off the dribble and throw down.

What's the use of being an amazing athlete unless you use it?

[ohara831]

And Tyrus Thomas is no longer "bad". He has up'd his game considerably this year.

[SWedd523]

Funny you should mention Gay because that's who I have as DeRozan's absolute ceiling. The current version of Gay - which is good but not great.

Back in '06 at least Gay could take a couple of dribbles and pull up for the J. He also had/hashas a wicked fade away jumper. He also would explode to the rim and throw down. Not only that, but he is a very good defender.

I don't see any of those things in DeRozan. With all this talk of him being an amazing athlete, I don't think I have EVER seen him throw down in traffic or take his guy off the dribble and throw down.

What's the use of being an amazing athlete unless you use it?
That's the risk! I'm not saying I want him. I'm saying if he figures out how to adjust to the level of play and use his natural skills to develop into his potential, he'll be a solid player.

[SWedd523]

And Tyrus Thomas is no longer "bad". He has up'd his game considerably this year.
I'm going off the fact that when he was drafted he was supposed to be special. While he has improved each year and isn't that bad now, 10 and 6 is hardly at the level he was expected to play at by this point in his career.

[Slam]

Derozan came into USC as one of the most high profile prospects in the nation, but after starting the year off unimpressively, he has come on like a house on fire in the final month. Beginning with his late season conference play and then helping USC to win the Pac-Ten tourney.

In what will probably be his final two collegiate (tourney) games, he scored 18 points in each showing a sweet jump shot to accompany developing skills. He also proved to be a handful for the #2 seed Spartans who knocked down shots but struggled to contain the standout freshman.

Though USC fell short against Michigan State, Derozan flashed his world class athleticism on multiple occasions getting out on the break for take off (dunk) and using his speed and athleticism to his advantage on the boards and in loose ball situations.

His one year at USC ultimately paid off considerably, showing a great example of why the one year draft rule is actually a good thing.

He still lacks a three point shot and relies too heavily on his athleticism, but he's apparently found his mid range shot, and it has completely transformed his game. He's starting to "get it". In the month of March (over his final 7 games) DeRozan averaged 19 ppg on 58% fg.

Derozan's solid showing in the tournament has his stock on the rise and scouts now feel that he is likely to be a top 10 pick in the draft this year. Despite being seen as an upside pick, Derozan is currently projected to be taken 6th overall.
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[spectre]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/

9Raptors (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Raptors-5/)Jrue Holiday (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jrue-Holiday-1108/) PG/SG
18 years old; 6'3"; 185 lbs.
UCLA (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/UCLA-319/), Freshman

10Bucks (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Bucks-10/)Jonny Flynn (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jonny-Flynn-1245/) PG
20 years old; 6'0"; 172 lbs.
Syracuse (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Syracuse-293/), Sophomore

11Nets (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Nets-2/)DeJuan Blair (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeJuan-Blair-5049/) PF/C
20 years old; 6'7"; 265 lbs.
Pittsburgh (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Pittsburgh-241/), Sophomore

12Bobcats (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Bobcats-12/)Demar DeRozan (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Demar-DeRozan-1319/)
19 years old; 6'7"; 207 lbs.
USC (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/USC-322/), Freshman SG/SF

13Pacers (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Pacers-9/)Terrence Williams (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Williams-507/) SG/SF
21 years old; 6'6"; 220 lbs.
Louisville (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Louisville-171/), Senior

14Suns (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Suns-29/)James Johnson (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-Johnson-5053/) PF
22 years old; 6'8"; 235 lbs.
Wake Forest (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Wake-Forest-336/), Sophomore

15Pistons (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Pistons-8/)Austin Daye (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Austin-Daye-1316/) SF/PF
20 years old; 6'10"; 190 lbs.
Gonzaga (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Gonzaga-129/), Sophomore

16Bulls (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Bulls-6/)Gerald Henderson (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gerald-Henderson-1042/) SG
21 years old; 6'5"; 215 lbs.
Duke (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Duke-100/), Junior

1776ers (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/76-ers-4/)Ty Lawson (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ty-Lawson-485/) PG
21 years old; 6'0"; 195 lbs.
North Carolina (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/North-Carolina-220/), Junior

18Timberwolves (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Timberwolves-22/)
From
Heat (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Heat-13/)B.J. Mullens (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/B.J.-Mullens-1107/) C
20 years old; 7'0"; 260 lbs.
Ohio State (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Ohio-State-231/), Freshman

19Hawks (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Hawks-11/)Earl Clark (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Earl-Clark-488/) SF/PF
21 years old; 6'9"; 220 lbs.
Louisville (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Louisville-171/), Junior

20Jazz (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Jazz-25/)Tyler Hansbrough (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyler-Hansbrough-288/) PF
23 years old; 6'9"; 230 lbs.
North Carolina (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/North-Carolina-220/), Senior

Henderson falling out of the lottery...Earl to 19.

[Slam]

I'm not a huge fan of DeRozan. I think he is pretty limited. In saying that he is only young. Speaking of Young, that is who he reminds me of - a Thad Young/Travis Outlaw/Rudy Gay type.

I don't see any of the "Vince Carter" that some compare him to.

I guess he would be nice as some SF depth, but I'd rather more a pure SG at this stage and one that can help from day #1. To me, that aint DeRozan.

[SWedd523]

I don't really think DeRozan would be that successful in Charlotte. He doesn't seem like a very intelligent person to me and LB wouldn't like it either. He also seems too one-demensional to be that appealing. T Will has just as much size and athleticism but with added defense and all around skills.

[jazzer89]

I like this guy a hellva lot and it sounds as if he is really the only guy dropping. SO if he does drop to 12 and we have not traded the pick i would love to see this guy on the bobcats. Dont know if he wants to be here but DJ didnt either, he will just have to deal with LB like DJ did.

[spectre]

• We had DeMar DeRozan going to Toronto with the ninth pick in our latest mock draft.

Don't expect him to slip past there. League sources say the Raptors have let DeRozan know that if he's there at nine they're taking him.


Chad Ford, ESPN

[teej]

Chad Ford, ESPN

Good.

I don't like low intelligence players (see Shannon Brown, or the Denver Nuggets). They only get you so far before things go bad. I'd rather have Henderson who isn't as good maybe but will have a better career because he's smarter.