Ammo coming around...

[DanielWheeler]

13 pts vs the Celtics! In your face haters!

[drunkbum]

WOW..... I think its cool how you can just forget about his other games so fast....

[DanielWheeler]

I think it is cool to give the man some praise over here considering all the hatred for him. We're supposed to cheer our own right?

[krazyrumpshaker]

it was very nice to see him play so well. was it just his night or could he be doing that on a consistent basis? from the way he played tonight, he should at least get some more PT in the next few games. Only question taht remains is, is he getting some PT to showcase his abilities for trade purposes?

[DanielWheeler]

This was nice for his confidence. I think he can be a nice asset to the bench with more patience.

[MattD]

I KNEW there was going to be a post like this... I was actually going to make my own "before we get to excited"

I was very happy with the scoring punch ammo offered, it really energized the team and it kept us in the game. well done. BUT lets not forget the second quarter (or might have been third i really cannot remember) when he was in there and he looked like he was trying to chase around the celtics player. his d is still god awful, and he just is terribly unathletic... in short bursts of scoring though, he can be an impact player.

now we need consistency

[TattoodCats4life]

Honestly I believe that tonight was designed to showcase Adam, just as the Kings had a showcase player last night. I think we've got something brewing in the VERY near term (like before we're back from this road trip) with either Kings, Warriors, Blazers or Toronto...I have NO inside knowledge nor do I claim such, so no beating me up if nothing happens :)

[DanielWheeler]

I felt it was nice to see a pro Morrison thread.

[docend24]

I'm happy for him.

[teej]

I'm happy for him.

We all should be

The kid needs a good game after all the crap hes been through

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

big time night for him considering his minutes

i really like the kid, but honestly tonight i truly realized that he will always struggle on defense. when you match him up against all stars you realize that he is a slow moving sideways to cover up someone going for the basket. he was sick tonight, draining shots that i have no idea how he made, reminds me of the time he played for gonzaga. ultimately, though, unless he can be a top notch offensive player, his defensive skills will kill his playing time. at least with the bobcats, i hope he sticks around backing up GW and giving us 10-12 pts a night

[dnbman]

Yeah, I don't ever see him being a big minute player. However, if he could make hot runs like he did tonight, what a luxury to have on the bench. He was making some extremely impressive shots. He could definitely provide scoring sparks for us when our main unit is solidified and his role is more clear.

[bobcats_express]

WOW..... I think its cool how you can just forget about his other games so fast....

LOL. true that

but it was his best game of the season
he actually scored- and in little minutes as well!hopefully he can be consistent.

oh, everybody knew a threat like this was coming lol

[Mustachio]

I still don't think Adams defense and athleticsm are as bad as the haters would have you believe.

We know his limitations. he will never ever be a dunk champion or a defender of the year. get over it though. he doesn't have to be that for us. plenty of guys over the years have been chasing and letting past Ray Allen and Paul Peirce. I hardly think its fair to base his defensive skills against All star athletes who get every call.

When the team plays good "team defense" and Adam isn't asked to guard an offensive monster... he is quite a good defender. He does play turnstile defense too often and has limitations, but no one is asking the guy to be Michael Jordan on both sides of the court (or at least they shouldnt be).

[dnbman]

I still don't think Adams defense and athleticsm are as bad as the haters would have you believe.

We know his limitations. he will never ever be a dunk champion or a defender of the year. get over it though. he doesn't have to be that for us. plenty of guys over the years have been chasing and letting past Ray Allen and Paul Peirce. I hardly think its fair to base his defensive skills against All star athletes who get every call.

When the team plays good "team defense" and Adam isn't asked to guard an offensive monster... he is quite a good defender. He does play turnstile defense too often and has limitations, but no one is asking the guy to be Michael Jordan on both sides of the court (or at least they shouldnt be).

Defense aside, I'm just not sure his game is suited for big minutes in the NBA. I don't think he's that great running up and down the court for big minutes. (Perhaps this could improve?) He's still looking to shoot most of the time he's on the offensive end. (And probably some on the defensive end.) I think he would generally clog things up a bit too much if he was playing 35 minutes a night. However, you put the guy in for several minutes at a time and see if he's lighting it up. If he is, you ride that 'till it breaks. Then you take him out and put back in your starters.

While obviously not near the athlete that Bobby Jackson was, I think Ammo could that kind of offensive spark plug off the bench. A guy who can get you 20 points some nights in only 15 minutes of play.

[Muttley]

I love that he played well in this one game. I really hope he keeps up the improvement.

[cbvh]

what was impressive for me was not the points, but how he did it. a few posting up, a runner, coming off a screen, and a step back. for the first time all year he looked like a scoring threat, not just someone who was a non factor and jacked up 3's. i wonder what happened?

just to support him on the defensive end a little...he did have to guard allen, and they were gunning for him defensively on every single play. everytime i saw him on D, they gave the ball to allen and gave him a screen to work with

and he looked like he was really competing out there tonight. which we havent seen too much all year

[ALuhrs704]

I'm not going to lie, i have been on the anti-morrison bandwagon since he was drafted. (Mainly because I am a HUGE UCONN fan and i wahnted to see Rudy and Mek together). But honestly, if he plays like he did tonight i would not even care about that. He was angry out their, and confident. He was jawing with celtic players, and actually playing some defense. I still dont know how long he will stay in charlotte, but maybe he will get some more pt after this performance. LB is wierd with that though, hollins morrison carrol nazi and shannon have all recieved wierd rotation of minutes this season, oh and lexi who i wouldnt mind seeing more.

[JamieMcNeill]

I'm not going to lie, i have been on the anti-morrison bandwagon since he was drafted. (Mainly because I am a HUGE UCONN fan and i wahnted to see Rudy and Mek together). But honestly, if he plays like he did tonight i would not even care about that. He was angry out their, and confident. He was jawing with celtic players, and actually playing some defense. I still dont know how long he will stay in charlotte, but maybe he will get some more pt after this performance. LB is wierd with that though, hollins morrison carrol nazi and shannon have all recieved wierd rotation of minutes this season, oh and lexi who i wouldnt mind seeing more.

When did we sign any socialists?
No wonder we dont get any tv coverage.

[Slam]

I still don't think Adams defense and athleticsm are as bad as the haters would have you believe.

We know his limitations. he will never ever be a dunk champion or a defender of the year. get over it though. he doesn't have to be that for us. plenty of guys over the years have been chasing and letting past Ray Allen and Paul Peirce. I hardly think its fair to base his defensive skills against All star athletes who get every call.

When the team plays good "team defense" and Adam isn't asked to guard an offensive monster... he is quite a good defender. He does play turnstile defense too often and has limitations, but no one is asking the guy to be Michael Jordan on both sides of the court (or at least they shouldnt be).

Why all the smoke blowing and fabrication? Why not just say "he had a good 11 or 12 mins last night" and leave it at that? It's the best he has played in over a year. You make it sound like he's been playing this well all the time and has been getting the rough end of the pineapple all along.

All the smoke you are blowing up is butt takes some of the shine of what he was able to do last night away IMO.

[Mustachio]

Why all the smoke blowing and fabrication? Why not just say "he had a good 11 or 12 mins last night" and leave it at that? It's the best he has played in over a year. You make it sound like he's been playing this well all the time and has been getting the rough end of the pineapple all along.

All the smoke you are blowing up is butt takes some of the shine of what he was able to do last night away IMO.

What are you even talking about?

how is saying that a player is very limited, then stating that he can never ever guard all stars blowing smoke up his butt??? I didn't say one good thing about him really... just that he isn't as bad as you and others like to make out.

Bottom line is ... Morrison isn't as bad as you want him to be and he isn't as good as Ammofan wants him to be. He's somewhere in the middle and thats where I am on it.

[Slam]

What are you even talking about?
What am I even taking about?


I still don't think Adams defense and athleticsm are as bad as the haters would have you believe.
Which part of his defense do you think is so great? And his athleticsm? He's a sloth with a 25" standing vert - 30" max vert.


We know his limitations. he will never ever be a dunk champion or a defender of the year. get over it though. he doesn't have to be that for us.
No, he has to be reliable and consistent - two things he is not.


plenty of guys over the years have been chasing and letting past Ray Allen and Paul Peirce. I hardly think its fair to base his defensive skills against All star athletes who get every call.
What in the hell is this? You are saying that he is a good defensive player - it's just the refs that are holding him back because they favor players??


When the team plays good "team defense" and Adam isn't asked to guard an offensive monster...
My 86 year old Grandma would be an offensive monster if Ammo was "guarding" her.


he is quite a good defender.
No, he is not. Even to his own admission (remember the "if it wasn't for offense I'd play defense" t-shirt?)

Statistically he is one of, if not THE, worse players in the NBA. That is a fact. Him being "quite a good defender" is about as far away from fact as there is.

If all of this love for him after 15 mins of good ball was fact, there would have been a hell of a lot more threads like this one before last nights game saying all these things.

He played 15 good mins out of 448 mins so the Ammo Juice is flowing.

Why not just enjoy it for what it was - a good 15 min stretch - rather than making it out to be something it was not, like him being "quite a good defender"?

Statements like that tarnish what he was able to do last night IMO.

[DanielWheeler]

When Morrison does something good I will be here posting praise. Here's to the first of hopefully many good games in Morrison's future!

[Slam]

When Morrison does something good I will be here posting praise. Here's to the first of hopefully many good games in Morrison's future!
That qtr (I think it was the 3rd?) against Minni two years ago was still his best moment in the NBA IMO.

That was freaking magic.

[Mustachio]

What am I even taking about?


Which part of his defense do you think is so great? And his athleticsm? He's a sloth with a 25" standing vert - 30" max vert.


No, he has to be reliable and consistent - two things he is not.


What in the hell is this? You are saying that he is a good defensive player - it's just the refs that are holding him back because they favor players??


My 86 year old Grandma would be an offensive monster if Ammo was "guarding" her.


No, he is not. Even to his own admission (remember the "if it wasn't for offense I'd play defense" t-shirt?)

Statistically he is one of, if not THE, worse players in the NBA. That is a fact. Him being "quite a good defender" is about as far away from fact as there is.

If all of this love for him after 15 mins of good ball was fact, there would have been a hell of a lot more threads like this one before last nights game saying all these things.

He played 15 good mins out of 448 mins so the Ammo Juice is flowing.

Why not just enjoy it for what it was - a good 15 min stretch - rather than making it out to be something it was not, like him being "quite a good defender"?

Statements like that tarnish what he was able to do last night IMO.


When the fuck did i say his defense and athletiscm was great? I said it was better than you want to say it is. You wanna make out like Adam runs slower than Sean May in a pool of syrup. Quit taking little things i say and turning them into major statements.

What Mustachio says - "Adam Morrison isn't as bad of an athlete as people say"

What BigSlam wants to hear - "Adam Morrison is a dunk machine and will out jump any one in the NBA"

From the very first day, you saw my screen name and roped me into some Adam Morrison homer grouping that I am not a part of. I like Adam Morrison more than you do, that much is clear. But I never ever said anything that makes Morrison a superstar... its just what you want to take from things i say.

You hate Ammo. thats ok, I dont. no big deal. Just dont rope me in as some retarded fan boy because i say such bold statements as "Adam has his limitations but isn't as bad as people say". Man that statement really really puts a damper on his 15 minutes of good play last night, doesn't it.

If anyone can't stand to enjoy Adam's 15 minutes of good play, its people like you who feel the need to remind everyone about how truly awful a player he is everytime he does something that stands out.

[DanielWheeler]

When they drafted him, I felt he was a needed piece rather than a franchise player. His rookie year sucked with few bright spots like that Minny game. Had a horrible injury (especially for a basketball player) and then most expected him to overcome it in a short amount of time while learning a whole new system. I think patience is needed and, with time, he can become a valuable bench player on a contending team.

[Mustachio]

When they drafted him, I felt he was a needed piece rather than a franchise player. His rookie year sucked with few bright spots like that Minny game. Had a horrible injury (especially for a basketball player) and then most expected him to overcome it in a short amount of time while learning a whole new system. I think patience is needed and, with time, he can become a valuable bench player on a contending team.


So what you really must be saying is that Adam Morrison is a 5 time Finals MVP right? cause thats what some people are gonna hear.

[DanielWheeler]

That's too small.

At least 9 time Finals MVP

[Slam]

When the fuck did i say his defense and athletiscm was great?
Always nice when a mod leads by example and swears in a post!!



he is quite a good defender.


"Adam Morrison isn't as bad of an athlete as people say"

It's not what people say - it's what his standing and max vert says.

And for the record - I've never noticed your screen name and would never associated it with being an Ammo fan. I couldn't care less if you are or not.

And while we are at it, I don't hate Ammo. Never have. In fact, I wrote highly of him at Gonzaga.


If anyone can't stand to enjoy Adam's 15 minutes of good play, its people like you who feel the need to remind everyone about how truly awful a player he is everytime he does something that stands out.
As opposed to you, who makes crazy posts like the one you made saying how he is quite a good defender only slowed by the refs and that he is a good athlete.

I prefer to dabble in reality.

But hey, I bet the water is warm where you are swimming.

[Mustachio]

That's too small.

At least 9 time Finals MVP


yeah remember when he jumped over yao ming on his way to a summersault dunk. I think that was finals MVP #7.

[DanielWheeler]

LOL!

I literally spat my soda out when I read/thought about that happening.

[DanielWheeler]

I remember the night when he shut down Kobe so bad that he finished up with -4 pts. Finals MVP #3 there.

[Ghost Kat]

I personally was very happy to see Morrison play so well. I respect him for atleast being in shape and able to play, unlike Sean May. Even if we trade Morrison which i hope we don't, I think he'll have a good NBA career. He's a good spark off the bench. I think next year with some more rehab time some more practice and getting out of LB's dog house will help him. I'm not sure if he'll ever be a big minute player. But he's a smart player, U can tell he tries and wants to win. He is slow but so are and have been alot of good NBA player...Mark Jackson, Probably the slowest PG in NBA histroy Stil had a good career.

[Mustachio]

Even if we trade Morrison which i hope we don't, I think he'll have a good NBA career. .


it really means nothing at all but...

during the game when people would come out, Jordan would talk to three players. Ray, Crash and Adam. those seem to be the three guys we hear in trade talks most often. It just didn't look to me like Jordan was considering trading any of them. It looked to me like he genuinely felt he could teach them something to make them better, like little projects.

Again that of course doesnt mean they wont get traded... but if you had players you are trying to move, it doesn't seem logical to constantly motivate and teach from the end of the bench ya know? I would think that if you thought these 3 players were nothing more than trade bait for better players, you wouldn't worry about making sure to provide your little nuggets of incredible basketball knowledge with them before they go.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

to your point mustachio, i don't think jordan is ready to give up on Ammo yet.

jordan is a highly competitive person and ammo failing is almost like jordan failing. after "annointing" kwame brown and being a complete bust, i feel that he has some of his own pride invested in ammo. makes sense that he would reach out to him and "coach" etc

again, i think ammo is thought highly upon by jordan and even LB. whether LB thinks he is a good fit or not, i've never heard LB criticize ammo

[ammofan]

Adam is a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[docend24]

That qtr (I think it was the 3rd?) against Minni two years ago was still his best moment in the NBA IMO.

That was freaking magic.
25 points, right?

[110oldeast]

I was happy for the guy. I know as a shooter, it's hard to not know when your shots are coming and then be expected to just turn it on randomly. I'm happy he was able to have some success last night.

[Slam]

25 points, right?
Ya - and in a blink of an eye, from every where on the court, in all sorts of ways!

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

when he was hot yesterday his shots were all net...it was like seeing pistol pete in front of your eyes, ridiculous shots no idea how they went in

i think that's why he hasn't been as in the nba...specially right now when were aren't running fast breaks and the game isn't as free flowing.. i think ammo just gets hots and feels it and shoots and it goes in, i bet he would have done well at a system under d'antoni

[MattD]

talk about a pissy fit from mustachio... either way, ammo is a horrendous athlete, and I dont know where your getting anything different. He is 6'8 and barely can dunk. He was getting shook by Paul Pierce, a notoriously unatheltic player for his level of skill.

and lets not forget, HE GOT CROSSED BY 6'8 LUKE WALTON AND TORE HIS ACL

that should rest the case. I am 100% behind Bigslam on this one

[timang]

*sigh* i wish adam morrison would dunk his every shot attempt to be able to play NBA ball.



NOT :p skillset varies from player to player. don't ask peaches to become a great banana split. :D

[Cyprus Sinner]

Yet again after looking like he could be a solid contributor on any team in the NBA, he goes out and looks totally worthless the very next night.

It's likely he'll slump for 5-10 more games before having another good one too.

[Mustachio]

Yet again after looking like he could be a solid contributor on any team in the NBA, he goes out and looks totally worthless the very next night.

It's likely he'll slump for 5-10 more games before having another good one too.


that unfortunately has been the trend.

[bing!]

With Bell coming back into picture on Friday (presumably), I figure he'll probably sit through a couple of the following games. Rhythm is a rare commodity in Adam-land these days it would seem.

[TattoodCats4life]

Adam will warm up and give us 10 ppg in 15 mpg with 2-3 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 TO. Lord as least I hope so...

[Ghost Kat]

I remembered a moment in the Cav's game were i gained a little more respect for Morrison. Don't remember what Qtr. it was. But Adam took the ball inside and JJ Hickson had a highlight film We must Protect this House type of block on Adam. They went down the court somehow the ball got back to Morrison on the fast break and you could see He was intent on scoring that time. He drove the ball right back at Hickson. Put his shoudler into him and tossed up a little floater. He missed the shot though. Okafor tipped it back in. But it was still a good play by Morrison. Showed He's not scared to play. I think he's had a very hard start to NBAlife. Something he clearly wasn't ready for. I think he should get some more playing time. He'll be back anyway next year,unless traded, so let the man get some NBA minutes.

[EvetsMorrison15]

talk about a pissy fit from mustachio... either way, ammo is a horrendous athlete, and I dont know where your getting anything different. He is 6'8 and barely can dunk. He was getting shook by Paul Pierce, a notoriously unatheltic player for his level of skill.

and lets not forget, HE GOT CROSSED BY 6'8 LUKE WALTON AND TORE HIS ACL

that should rest the case. I am 100% behind Bigslam on this one

He wasn't crossed over jit. He ran at him and tried to stop. I know it was a little hard to see with the Laker Girls court side, but look at it again.


I remembered a moment in the Cav's game were i gained a little more respect for Morrison. Don't remember what Qtr. it was. But Adam took the ball inside and JJ Hickson had a highlight film We must Protect this House type of block on Adam. They went down the court somehow the ball got back to Morrison on the fast break and you could see He was intent on scoring that time. He drove the ball right back at Hickson. Put his shoudler into him and tossed up a little floater. He missed the shot though. Okafor tipped it back in. But it was still a good play by Morrison. Showed He's not scared to play. I think he's had a very hard start to NBAlife. Something he clearly wasn't ready for. I think he should get some more playing time. He'll be back anyway next year,unless traded, so let the man get some NBA minutes.

WORD!!! brother!!! I saw that too.

But to talk about his play lately. Since in the NBA he has never gotten angry with his play. In college is was the shit cause he was "In your face". Shots anytime he wanted.

He's too laid back in the NBA. He may have shown signs of anger and I missed it but I think he's lacked in that department in the League.

get ANGRY MAN!

[bing!]

ANGRY Cue the Waterworks™... just kidding.

[TattoodCats4life]

In 2 of the last 3 games he has been played (BOS and WASH, out of those 2 and Cleveland) Adam has put up double digit scoring. Actually to properly average his scoring he is averaging 5 ppg, but the tired game in cleveland should be forgotten for ALL of the cats, let alone Ammo.

How many others think that if we hold on to him, he may turn into a 10+ ppg guy coming off the bench for 20-25 min and may become a starter considering Wallace's recent lackluster play?

[countryboi]

ammo looks like he went to the army...they tore down his game...and it looks like they are slowly building it back up

[SWedd523]

In 2 of the last 3 games he has been played (BOS and WASH, out of those 2 and Cleveland) Adam has put up double digit scoring. Actually to properly average his scoring he is averaging 5 ppg, but the tired game in cleveland should be forgotten for ALL of the cats, let alone Ammo.

How many others think that if we hold on to him, he may turn into a 10+ ppg guy coming off the bench for 20-25 min and may become a starter considering Wallace's recent lackluster play?

No?

Ammo will never be a guy who will provide consistent scoring. Haven't we had enough time to realize that he's nothing more than a deep bench player and never a starter? I think he's doing well but let's be serious here guys, he's going to return to his 1-2ppg average

[Slam]

In 2 of the last 3 games he has been played (BOS and WASH, out of those 2 and Cleveland) Adam has put up double digit scoring. Actually to properly average his scoring he is averaging 5 ppg, but the tired game in cleveland should be forgotten for ALL of the cats, let alone Ammo.

How many others think that if we hold on to him, he may turn into a 10+ ppg guy coming off the bench for 20-25 min and may become a starter considering Wallace's recent lackluster play?
must..........................hold................ .....tongue.

[ohara831]

No. He just wont be that player for us. Occasionally he'll have that outburst for 9-11 pts in 20 minutes, but that wont be too often. He's that man off the bench in the #7 - #9 range at best. He's not even a 6th man. Face it, we chose poorly.

[Slam]

Ammo 100% has a role in this league. Can't we just leave it at that?

(please, please, please, please, please, please just leave it at that and don't mention things like him replacing Crash!)

[bobcats_express]

its great to see morrison take his shot and actually hit some. it might take a while for him to become consistent, but well done to him!

[teej]

i think not having a caoch has hurt him...until now

same with ok50, hollins, felton, and carroll

theyll improve

[bing!]

This thread ought to be merged with this one (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8389).

There's only room for improvement with Adam because, I think, he can't get any worse than shooting in 35-ish % range from the field, but deeming him starting material, as much as I would like for him to get more minutes, just isn't sane coaching.

[tamburello]

This thread ought to be merged with this one.

Two Adam Morrison threads are merged, thanks for reminding it bing!

[Undonersg]

I hope he continues this trend... i love the man