Diop, Earl Watson to Charlotte in 3 team trade?

[ALong13]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/01/11/nelson_thinks_you_should_believe_in_magic/?page=2

With the trading deadline a little more than a month away, talks between teams seem to be heating up. An NBA source said a three-team trade is in the works that would include Oklahoma City sending guard Earl Watson to Charlotte, Dallas sending center DeSagana Diop to Charlotte, and Charlotte guard Raymond Felton going to Dallas. The source added that Milwaukee might be on the verge of a deal, too, as several teams have shown interest in ex-Connecticut star forward Charlie Villanueva and guard Ramon Sessions

Even for Felton this would be a horrible trade IMO, Diop has 4 more years left on his contract that takes the whole MLE, Watson is another 6 million dollar guy, if we trade Nazr and Carroll, then it make it a bit better, but overall this is a horrible trade IMO...

[sugarfree311]

This would be an awesome trade as long as none of Emeka, Boris or Gerald is involved. We get rid of the guy who's holding us back and get back a legitimate back-up point and an energy big man who is not going to score much but can provide quality minutes as a back-up. Their contracts kind of scare me, but if we can get rid of a bad one of our own I'm all for it.

[dnbman]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/01/11/nelson_thinks_you_should_believe_in_magic/?page=2

With the trading deadline a little more than a month away, talks between teams seem to be heating up. An NBA source said a three-team trade is in the works that would include Oklahoma City sending guard Earl Watson to Charlotte, Dallas sending center DeSagana Diop to Charlotte, and Charlotte guard Raymond Felton going to Dallas. The source added that Milwaukee might be on the verge of a deal, too, as several teams have shown interest in ex-Connecticut star forward Charlie Villanueva and guard Ramon Sessions

Even for Felton this would be a horrible trade IMO, Diop has 4 more years left on his contract that takes the whole MLE, Watson is another 6 million dollar guy, if we trade Nazr and Carroll, then it make it a bit better, but overall this is a horrible trade IMO...

The MLE doesn't work like that. If we traded for those guys, it would be contract for contract. Next year, we'd be able to sign a new player for the MLE. As Spectre said in the other thread, I don't think it can work unless we have other outgoing contracts, like Nazr's.

[TattoodCats4life]

As i put in the main trading thread, http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2761~802~1027~1731~2211~27 53~2776&teams=30~30~25~30~6~25~6~25&te=&cash= that would be good for us...

This works as well http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2761~802~1027~1731~2753~27 76~3016&teams=30~30~25~30~6~6~25~25&te=&cash=

And both of those work with or without us getting Green from Dallas. (I put him in there because my ideal trade would net us a veteran 1 and a good 2 to back up Bell).

[TattoodCats4life]

While we're talking a 3 way with OKC and DAL, lets all dream a little dream with the trade machine...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2761~609~802~3202~3209~102 7~1731~2211~2753~2776~3016~2399~1026&teams=30~30~30~25~30~30~30~6~6~6~25~25~6~25&te=&cash=

[mrtarheel]

I think something like this could be hammered out

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2761~2006~518~1027~1731~29 92~2753~2776~568~3016&teams=30~30~30~6~30~6~25~6~25~25~25&te=&cash=

But since the LB and G Force saga he might have mixed feelings about it now

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2761~2006~802~1027~1731~25 06~2992~2753~568~1026&teams=30~30~30~25~30~6~6~25~6~25~6&te=&cash=

[TattoodCats4life]

I'm still reading more on this trade, and the latest has it being a "round robin" trade, Felton to Dallas, Diop to OKC, Watson to the Cats... This doesn't work per the trade machine we'll be over 900k on the inbound side, as Watson makes 6 mil and felton is around 4.

The best I could do that makes any actual sense for the teams involved was this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~992~2761~1027&teams=6~6~25~30~30&te=&cash=

Adding May gives us 6 mil out and 6 mil in, but I've taken the liberty of bringing in Green from Dallas (they probably won't miss him) so that we can have a better backup for Bell.

[spectre]

There's no incentive for us to do a swap like that. Look at Watson's PER vs. Felton's. Look at their EFF. On top of that, we'd be taking on another year of salary!


We get rid of the guy who's holding us back

Interesting. So since Larry Brown plays Felton 38 mpg he's intentionally holding the team back?

[JamieMcNeill]

I'm still reading more on this trade, and the latest has it being a "round robin" trade, Felton to Dallas, Diop to OKC, Watson to the Cats... This doesn't work per the trade machine we'll be over 900k on the inbound side, as Watson makes 6 mil and felton is around 4.

The best I could do that makes any actual sense for the teams involved was this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~992~2761~1027&teams=6~6~25~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E2776%7E992%7E2761%7E102 7&teams=6%7E6%7E25%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

Adding May gives us 6 mil out and 6 mil in, but I've taken the liberty of bringing in Green from Dallas (they probably won't miss him) so that we can have a better backup for Bell.

thats just terrible

[spectre]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2006~802~788~1027~1731~275 3~3016~1026&teams=25~25~30~6~30~30~6~25~6&te=&cash=

Maybe if OKC threw us either their 1st round pick (unlikely) or the two other 1sts they have?

I really haven't found or seen anything that gives what I'd consider a good deal.

[ohara831]

I dont like this trade at all. Felton can bring us more than Watson and Diop. Watson is a servicable back up PG,for sure, but I am no fan of Diop. And our weakness right now is at SG. I like Bell coming off the bench for us and for his defense, but we need a more explosive SG. If LB does this trade, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as he's certainly earned it. But it would shock the pants off me if we did this and we somehow did benefit by it.

[ohara831]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2006~802~788~1027~1731~275 3~3016~1026&teams=25~25~30~6~30~30~6~25~6&te=&cash=

Maybe if OKC threw us either their 1st round pick (unlikely) or the two other 1sts they have?

I really haven't found or seen anything that gives what I'd consider a good deal.

Now that deal sounds better to me. Especially if we get the other 2 1st rounders OKC has. We know they wont give us theirs, that would be too much to expect.

[TattoodCats4life]

All I can say is one way or another lets hope this turns out good like the last trade...We certainly need to move some pieces around, but I do agree this doesn't taste like its one that will make a positive impact. This tastes like the Hermann for Nazr mistake... Would really like to get a good first round pick though, especially if we could get the thunder's own... (Imagine picking first and second).

[Mustachio]

will watson get carted off on a stretcher in a neck brace, then wiggle his way out of the restraints punch 3 security guards and an EMT just to get back on the court?

then no i dont want to do this trade.

[TattoodCats4life]

will watson get carted off on a stretcher in a neck brace, then wiggle his way out of the restraints punch 3 security guards and an EMT just to get back on the court?

then no i dont want to do this trade.


Good way to put it!

[dnbman]

There's no incentive for us to do a swap like that. Look at Watson's PER vs. Felton's. Look at their EFF. On top of that, we'd be taking on another year of salary!



Interesting. So since Larry Brown plays Felton 38 mpg he's intentionally holding the team back?

Spectre,

What about this one? I think it's o.k. for us.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2745~609~3202~2211~2753~2776~5 68~3016&teams=30~30~30~6~6~6~6~25&te=&cash=

[ohara831]

I agree that you proceed with caution on any trade. But we must guard against being greedy. If a good deal is proposed, dont let the time elapse and lose out on the deal. Like a stock, buy low and sell high. We bought high with Ray, so we only sell if we can sell for what will be a higher price than his cost, or at least something close. I would just not want to pass on a trade, and then a couple months later kick ourselves in our collective butts regretting it. Like when we passed on the trade in the draft which could have landed us CP3. Please dont get me wrong here. I do not advocate trading Ray for nothing. But if the offer is good, it must at least be considered.

[TattoodCats4life]

Spectre,

What about this one? I think it's o.k. for us.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2745~609~3202~2211~2753~2776~5 68~3016&teams=30~30~30~6~6~6~6~25&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2745%7E609%7E3202%7E2211%7E275 3%7E2776%7E568%7E3016&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E6%7E6%7E6%7E6%7E25&te=&cash=)

That's just about as good as my "Trade machine dreamin' " post above :) I like it, but shoot me in the head if I'm wrong, but I just don't see OKC giving up Durant :)

[dnbman]

That's just about as good as my "Trade machine dreamin' " post above :) I like it, but shoot me in the head if I'm wrong, but I just don't see OKC giving up Durant :)

Yeah, that trade wasn't posted to be seriously considered.

[spectre]

will watson get carted off on a stretcher in a neck brace, then wiggle his way out of the restraints punch 3 security guards and an EMT just to get back on the court?

then no i dont want to do this trade.

Hah...sooooo +1 worthy!

DNB...now that I'll sink my teeth into!

Ohara, I think that's a really good deal for the other two teams for sure. For us it'd save a lot of money as it basically eliminates Crash's contract, but unless we want to pay Wilcox (thus negating the savings) I think we'd lose a lot of talent.

There'd have to be picks coming our way.

Anyone know what other 2 OKC has?

[Slam]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2006~1027~2753~568~1026&teams=30~30~30~6~25~6&te=&cash=

[spectre]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2006~1027~2753~568~1026&teams=30~30~30~6~25~6&te=&cash=

Hahaha dude...let's not forget who's running the show here.

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/image.php?u=702&dateline=1229029488

[Slam]

Hahaha dude...let's not forget who's running the show here.

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/image.php?u=702&dateline=1229029488
That was a part of the thought process.

Hasn't he always been high on Howard?

[JamieMcNeill]

Hah...sooooo +1 worthy!

DNB...now that I'll sink my teeth into!

Ohara, I think that's a really good deal for the other two teams for sure. For us it'd save a lot of money as it basically eliminates Crash's contract, but unless we want to pay Wilcox (thus negating the savings) I think we'd lose a lot of talent.

There'd have to be picks coming our way.

Anyone know what other 2 OKC has?

Did some research have found that the other two OKC have are very misleading. They have the Spurs only if the spurs are top 15 this year or top 10 next year and then the lotto protected one they just got from the Nugs

[spectre]

Oh yeah, no doubt he'd do this trade....I just don't see him negotiating one as good.

Edit:

^ Those two picks just aren't enticing to me at all.

[TattoodCats4life]

Did some research have found that the other two OKC have are very misleading. They have the Spurs only if the spurs are top 15 this year or top 10 next year and then the lotto protected one they just got from the Nugs

Well I'd guess those would be fairly good late 1st round picks to take... I figure spurs come up top 10, so a #20 or so pick, and nuggets top 6 so 24th...

Let us all not forget (I think) we have OKC's own 2nd round pick for Weaver, so shouldn't that be 31st overall (like getting a 1st rounder in the 2nd), albeit on a very dry draft from what I understand...Maybe we can pick up this kid Jonny Flynn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmgIPGy0zOE with that 2nd rounder.

[ohara831]

nbadraft.net has the Spurs pick just being Lottery protected. No way does San Antonio not make the Playoffs. So that and the Nuggets pick would along with the OKC 2nd which will be almost like another 1st, and of course our own 1st if we dont make the Playoffs. That would be a good deal of picks for LB to work with in the next draft. I realize this may not be the best of drafts, but I really do think LB is an excellent critic of NBA talent and I do trust him to recognize what will be a solid player.

[JamieMcNeill]

Well I'd guess those would be fairly good late 1st round picks to take... I figure spurs come up top 10, so a #20 or so pick, and nuggets top 6 so 24th...

Let us all not forget (I think) we have OKC's own 2nd round pick for Weaver, so shouldn't that be 31st overall (like getting a 1st rounder in the 2nd), albeit on a very dry draft from what I understand...Maybe we can pick up this kid Jonny Flynn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmgIPGy0zOE with that 2nd rounder.

idk flynn seems to be everyones top 25

[JamieMcNeill]

nbadraft.net has the Spurs pick just being Lottery protected. No way does San Antonio not make the Playoffs. So that and the Nuggets pick would along with the OKC 2nd which will be almost like another 1st, and of course our own 1st if we dont make the Playoffs. That would be a good deal of picks for LB to work with in the next draft. I realize this may not be the best of drafts, but I really do think LB is an excellent critic of NBA talent and I do trust him to recognize what will be a solid player.

yea i was just getting ready to edit that.

[JamieMcNeill]

they also have the suns 1st next

[SWedd523]

This would be an awesome trade as long as none of Emeka, Boris or Gerald is involved. We get rid of the guy who's holding us back and get back a legitimate back-up point and an energy big man who is not going to score much but can provide quality minutes as a back-up. Their contracts kind of scare me, but if we can get rid of a bad one of our own I'm all for it.

That sounds familiar................... OH WAIT! That's exactly what we did with Nazr!

Energy off the bench? Check:rolleyes:
Not going to score much? Check:rolleyes:
Quality Minutes? Check:rolleyes:
Contracts Scare you? Check:rolleyes:


Sorry guys, but we all saw how Nazr turned out. I know history has a way of repeating itself, but let's try and not let this bit of history be repeated

[SWedd523]

That was a part of the thought process.

Hasn't he always been high on Howard?
LOL

High and Josh Howard are two things I never thought would be mentioned in the same sentence;)

[TattoodCats4life]

I wish there was more rumors to work with on these rumors...They never seem to give enough. They should say "This is what is desired <mention all players and destinations> but a team involved isn't completely satisfied, so another team needs to make this better" but that'd be less rumor and more or less an announcement.

I hate the anticipation, good trade or bad, I hate waiting for the trigger...

[BRNC]

I've read three "media stories" about this and they seem to all agree on the three teams and the main players...and one gives strong indication that to move Watson the Thunder would throw one of their 1st with him...but it still begs the question(s)...why do we want Diops contract if we cant move Nazr and why move Ray at all if we can't move one of our own "bad" contracts...it will be interesting to see if anything happens but all indications around the league are the Mavs are really motivated to make a trade and the Thunder really wants to move Watson...so it may happen...:rim:

[Stu_Discus]

LOL

High and Josh Howard are two things I never thought would be mentioned in the same sentence;)

If we rolled him up and smoked him we would all be high on Howard...LOL:hypo:

[JamieMcNeill]

why not his where we get a first or two?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~568~3016~788~1027~99 2~802&teams=6~25~6~25~6~30~30~25&te=2745:30-3201&cash=

[dnbman]

I'm having a really hard time getting excited about Earl Watson and Diop.

Somebody tell me something good.

[coordinator0]

I'm having a really hard time getting excited about Earl Watson and Diop.

Somebody tell me something good.

Well, I think that they are just rumors at this point so I would classify that as "good." With that being said, there is NO WAY IN HELL that I would like this deal even with LB's approval. Diops got a bad contract, almost as bad as Nazr's and longer, and Watson is another undersized guard with a scorers mentality. At least with the PHX trade we were getting back players that have proven that they can be good...

[TattoodCats4life]

My question with Diop is WTF was Dallas smoking when they signed a 1.5 ppg player who only grabs 3 rebs and commits 1 TO for 1 block per game, what was they smoking signing him up for $6+ mil for that length of time, DAMN, i dont even think the Biscuit could have done that one friends...

Watson, I'll give the benefit of the doubt, he is a vet on a garbage team, he has had 3 seasons around 10/7 per game, so with larry maybe he can pull a Diaw and get back to those type of numbers...

We REALLY need to steal something from this trade if we take Diop's contract, be it a good pick (not lotto protected, to add to ours) or maybe a good SG from somewheres...

Not please with this, as much love as I have for Larry this seems like someone is getting too antsy to see where the chips fall closer to the deadline...

[RELAXTV]

well, one thing I found out about rumors is this: that's all it is, rumors. How many times has these rumors that show up on the media actually gone down? Besides from off-season rumors, most of them ends up being pure BS anyways. It's entertaining and all, but it's speculations, and a very vague one too

[superb1]

hey check this trade proposal out. plus we could get a first rounder too
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2761~2006~1027~3469~3434~2 753~2776~568~1026&teams=30~30~30~30~6~30~6~25~25~6&te=&cash=6:25

[JamieMcNeill]

hey check this trade proposal out. plus we could get a first rounder too
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992~2761~2006~1027~3469~3434~2 753~2776~568~1026&teams=30~30~30~30~6~30~6~25~25~6&te=&cash=6:25 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=992%7E2761%7E2006%7E1027%7E346 9%7E3434%7E2753%7E2776%7E568%7E1026&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E6%7E30%7E6%7E25%7E25%7E6&te=&cash=6:25)

I had the exact same trade earlier but i didnt post it because i just dont know why OKC would do it.
and mine didnt send G-force

[Slam]

We are going to get stitched up (again) if a trade does go down.

Mark my words.

[Slam]

My question with Diop is WTF was Dallas smoking when they signed a 1.5 ppg player who only grabs 3 rebs and commits 1 TO for 1 block per game, what was they smoking signing him up for $6+ mil for that length of time, DAMN, i dont even think the Biscuit could have done that one friends....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3826213


The Bobcats, furthermore, have been to trying to add Diop to their front line as a defensive specialist since he was a free agent last summer. As ESPN.com reported in July, Charlotte offered Diop the same five-year deal worth more than $32 million that the 7-foot center wound up signing with the Mavericks.

[coordinator0]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3826213

That's pretty interesting, and I don't doubt that we offered him that contract too. Right now i really don't want him on the team with Nazr, to me they are pretty much the same type of player. Diop is better at this point but I'd like us to move in a different direction if we traded Felton...

[Slam]

How the crap do we go from talk of trading Felts for a potential young stud like Anthony Randolph to discussing trading him for junk like Watson and Diop?

[coordinator0]

How the crap do we go from talk of trading Felts for a potential young stud like Anthony Randolph to discussing trading him for junk like Watson and Diop?

That's a VERY good question, and I think the answer has something to do with not much demand for Felton.

[BIGCatBobcat]

Bonnell is reporting this too. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/466600.html
I didn't read this whole thread hope i'm not duplicating anything. I don't get it...Diop vs. Nazr...Felton out...I just don't get it.
He says 2 "NBA sources" confirmed it to him, does that mean that it's gotten to the league office level? how is the Boston Globe scooping all 3 of these team's local media?

[Keetch]

Bonnell will regurgitate anything he sees out there, just like his stuff gets burped back at him. I think thats called sports journalism.

I think I'm learning not to believe any NBA rumors I read anymore; especially the ones where we trade a starter for (in Slams apt words) .. junk ....

I see no reason why we "must" trade Felton. If I was them Cats I'd consider just letting him play the season out and see what his value is next summer. I'd then consider matching. I like having all these point guards.

Hell Felton might not even get an offer until next October.

[GOBOBCATS24]

well why dont we just throw away all of our good players for crap, cus thats all that this trade will do. I think that what will happen is what happened with the J-Rich trade, no one will see it coming. hopefully we don't trade Gerald Wallace, Hes mah boy. I'm all for trading Raymond if we get someone that can make us a contender for a playoff spot in return. screw everything else

[Proudiddy]

I'm convinced we want Diop because we offered a contract to him in the offseason... As far as anything else coming back to us in the trade... who knows. I really hope we do A LOT better than Watson or I will be seriously disappointed.

My take: Could be this is getting leaked out in order to make the Warriors, Knicks, or Blazers step their game up and bring their best offer to the table before any deal with the Mavs would be done.

[amour217]

With all this trade speculation, I'm surprised no one has brought up our old buddy ballfreakskank21banho or whatever his name was. So in his absence I'll take his place:

Yo yo yo, I knoes sum ppl who tol me about this tradez, but i need 452.23 ppl logged onto this site at 4:42am Tanzania time, cuz that be havin some importance, naa'mean? Then you be bowin down to me whiles i cruise in my fiat with my old-skool green-and-black screen mac playin oregon trail. Rep me up, 'yotches, cuz you be gettin Randolph from the Warriors and the dude that look like Bobby Flay from the Celtics, but you neez ta meet my stipulatationses before I tellz you da rest!

[TattoodCats4life]

With all this trade speculation, I'm surprised no one has brought up our old buddy ballfreakskank21banho or whatever his name was. So in his absence I'll take his place:

Yo yo yo, I knoes sum ppl who tol me about this tradez, but i need 452.23 ppl logged onto this site at 4:42am Tanzania time, cuz that be havin some importance, naa'mean? Then you be bowin down to me whiles i cruise in my fiat with my old-skool green-and-black screen mac playin oregon trail. Rep me up, 'yotches, cuz you be gettin Randolph from the Warriors and the dude that look like Bobby Flay from the Celtics, but you neez ta meet my stipulatationses before I tellz you da rest!

Damn you, now i have to change my pants and wipe up the floor... +1 w/o a doubt!

[TattoodCats4life]

I'm convinced we want Diop because we offered a contract to him in the offseason... As far as anything else coming back to us in the trade... who knows. I really hope we do A LOT better than Watson or I will be seriously disappointed.

My take: Could be this is getting leaked out in order to make the Warriors, Knicks, or Blazers step their game up and bring their best offer to the table before any deal with the Mavs would be done.

I remember us wanting Diop, but I don't think we were willing to offer anywhere near 6milx5years...His stats show he's worse than Nazr, I watched the Mavs game last night and didn't see that he even got played.

I do like the idea of lighting a fire under the butts of Blazers (my fave trade prospect) or the Warriors/Kings... I say we try to land Mr. Dreads from the Kings (Mikki Moore i think) and Rudy Fernandez from the blazers :) oh and if we dump felton we need a vet PG...and I dont think we want someone who's been sitting around waiting all season for a call up :)

[TattoodCats4life]

Hate to post back to back to back, but I found this and I think anyone trying to follow this trade would be interested

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3826213

Talks have gone cool as DJ will be out 10 days minimum.

[Proudiddy]

Tattod, interesting that the link you provided included us shipping out May. If that's the case, get it REVIVED. I wish we went after Bass instead though.

[Proudiddy]

Check out this blurb though from The Dallas Morning News via RealGM:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56540/20090112/timing_of_diops_dnp_for_dallas_mavericks_peculiar/

[TattoodCats4life]

I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around paying someone 6 mil/year for 5 years (4-1/2 for us post trade) for 1.7 points and 3 rebounds... Does this guy defend like Shaq and on the other end just never get a basket?

The thing that makes this rumor feel like less of a rumor is that its getting bigger legs...Bonnell's story is now on NBA.com at the bottom where they show the latest NBA news, and there have been no denial stories from Mavs or OKC management (or ours). I just pray this is a well orchestrated ploy to get the blazers to make a move more quickly :)

[spectre]

By all accounts, any deal with Charlotte was on life-support Sunday night, if not completely dead, although it could always be rekindled.

Hope it stays dead.

[TattoodCats4life]

Hope it stays dead.

I think we can all hope so, I did watch some Diop video, and he is a beast on the D, but we need O, big big O. I'm still hoping this was a push to get the Blazers or Warriors or Kings or <insert almost any other team here> to make the move they have been contemplating. One of the news pieces I was reading did say that a First round pick would probably accompany Watson out the door...but I doubt OKC would give up their OWN 1st, just one they happen to own.

[spectre]

If this is what LB wants then I'll get behind it...but the Lollipop had better get DEN's pick included at LEAST.

[TattoodCats4life]

If this is what LB wants then I'll get behind it...but the Lollipop had better get DEN's pick included at LEAST.

I want OKC's pick....figure that and ours would give about a 50/50 chance with the balls :)

[JamieMcNeill]

I want OKC's pick....figure that and ours would give about a 50/50 chance with the balls :)

not gonna happen

thats essentially giving up watson and blake griffin and getting back what? stackhouse and some other scrub?

[countryboi]

not gonna happen

thats essentially giving up watson and blake griffin and getting back what? stackhouse and some other scrub?

if we was getting back a pick they can keep watson...matter fact they can keep him anyway...he is a bum and worse than felton

[winthropbobcat]

First let me say, it's great to have a site about the bobcats. I hate reading all the negativity on Charlotte.com. The bobcats have improved 10 fold since unloading Richardson.

I would also like to chime in on this trade talk....

Felton is an average point guard at best, who looks to score, before he passes. This is not a Larry Brown PG. DJ on the other hand, is a pass first PG, which in today's league is rare, which is why we drafted him. Watson is a tremendous back up PG who can get 25 min a game and most likely average 6 or 7 assists in the time and his three pointers. This is what we need. DJ will be top 5 in the NBA in assists next year if he starts. Write that down.

Diop would be a great upgrade from Nazi. He has a great upside, and can start at Center, this way Okafor can move to PF. I really like Diop.

I do think we would need a 2nd round pick, or another young player to at least make up for Feltons loss. Felton is a great guy and a decent PG, but he will never be a 20 ppg and 10 assists per game player. Personally I would love to get Gerald Green, or Bass in this deal to go along with them.

I really think this would be a good trade for us. I really really do. GO CATS!

[TattoodCats4life]

if we was getting back a pick they can keep watson...matter fact they can keep him anyway...he is a bum and worse than felton

Seriously, when I said get us a vet pg who can play 10-20 min/game I wasn't thinking someone like that...I meant someone who was an allstar in like 1997-1999ish and is done playing but wouldnt mind being a veteran influence. Also, we should make sure we do a lopsided trade so we can sign Jordan to a 10 day contract too :)

[ohara831]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56542/20090112/sources_injury_clouds_3_team_deal/#

I for one an happy with DJ's abdominal strain now! Stopped this deal from going down and I was not happy with this deal!

[TattoodCats4life]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56542/20090112/sources_injury_clouds_3_team_deal/#

I for one an happy with DJ's abdominal strain now! Stopped this deal from going down and I was not happy with this deal!

Yup yup yup...Maybe after DJ is back the Blazers will have decided they want felton, or maybe Dallas alone, without OKC giving their junk too (and picking up a pick to boot).

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bringing diop is not a terrible idea for us..Nazr is painfully slow and old. Diop is fairly young and brings experience with him. he's not an offensive threat but would be a nice backup to Mek.

my biggest concern with the trade would be giving up felton (not getting enough value for him) and acquiring diops contract. His contract is worse than Nazr ($6MM for two more years vs $6M for four more years)

i think the trade needed more incentive that just getting watson. another draft pick or taking on carroll's contract

[Proudiddy]

You know the more I think about this one though, I just don't get it because we don't need another defender down low. Oak is a defender and not much of a offensive threat although he has his nights. Hollins is like a sparkplug defender with no offense outside of layups or dunks. Juwan is more offensive minded but is pretty old and not able to do what he used to do.

We need a legit scoring threat down low who is serviceable defensively... A Camby or Kaman. We should really push for one of those, although they may not deal with us after all the leaks...

That being said, just upon opening realgm today and seeing all the news feeds I see possible trades involving - Eddy Curry, Shawn Marion, Mike Conley, Ramon Sessions, Joe Alexander, and SAMUEL DALEMBERT.

That last name was in all caps for a reason. He's defensively nice and has developed his offensive game over the last couple of years to respectable. I don't think I would find any argument that he is 10x the player that Diop is.

So, I really can't figure out what we're trying to do. Honestly, I would do the Curry, Lee deal at this point before the Dallas deal. Although Curry looked like he was 900 lbs the other night, he can still score. It seems as though we're more concerned with dumping Nazr on someone then we are actually getting comparable talent back for Felton. Problem is, we'd be taking on a horrible contract in return... Makes no sense.

[TattoodCats4life]

So, I really can't figure out what we're trying to do. Honestly, I would do the Curry, Lee deal at this point before the Dallas deal. Although Curry looked like he was 900 lbs the other night, he can still score. It seems as though we're more concerned with dumping Nazr on someone then we are actually getting comparable talent back for Felton. Problem is, we'd be taking on a horrible contract in return... Makes no sense.

Not to mention the fact that Nazr may not be a great player, he has played better this year than last and while old dogs don't learn new tricks, I see him progressing to 4 ppg in 10 mpg to let emeka catch his breath here and there (which is a luxury to the cats starters who I wouldn't doubt are near the top fo the NBA in min/game).

[docend24]

I just want to make it clear that we don't have an OKC second for Weaver it's NJN one. Get used to check that stickied salry situation thread by tamburello. Lots of info. *back to reading the rest of this thread*

[docend24]

I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around paying someone 6 mil/year for 5 years (4-1/2 for us post trade) for 1.7 points and 3 rebounds... Does this guy defend like Shaq and on the other end just never get a basket?Guys, you all underestimating one thing. It doesn't matter what those players are averaging now. Only thing that matters is what LB can make them produce. I'm not saying Diop would flourish for sure, I just think that every young pure big man Larry actually wants have a solid chance to reshape things and become very good player. Or not. He could fail and even Larry can make a mistake. How many of you wanted Juwan btw?

[docend24]

I think we can all hope so, I did watch some Diop video, and he is a beast on the D, but we need O, big big O. I'm still hoping this was a push to get the Blazers or Warriors or Kings or <insert almost any other team here> to make the move they have been contemplating. One of the news pieces I was reading did say that a First round pick would probably accompany Watson out the door...but I doubt OKC would give up their OWN 1st, just one they happen to own.Uhm, nto sure about that. My preferences aside, we could actually want some inside defense - Larry likes defensive players and recentyl we let opponents score many points in the paint. Such opponents as Sixers or Wizards. Just a thought.

[docend24]

In such an offensive flow we can play occasionally every semi-competent big man who can dunk can become offensive thread on given night - just look what Emeka became since the trade. Automatic finisher in some games. I wouldn't bother about that much. The thing is that we can steal a big man for a pg, because the big man rarely plays. I don't know Diop enough to say anything but ILBIT. Just got a lot of incetives back to be sure it is really a good trade for us if we are already thinking we are getting the players we want.

[Dunk]

We're 21st in blocks and 29th in rebounds. From a thought process perspective, adding a defensive "beast" for a guy on his way out the door could be helpful. It would allow us, in some situations, to move Diaw to the 3 and Crash to the 2 creating some serious mismatches.

[TattoodCats4life]

We're 21st in blocks and 29th in rebounds. From a thought process perspective, adding a defensive "beast" for a guy on his way out the door could be helpful. It would allow us, in some situations, to move Diaw to the 3 and Crash to the 2 creating some serious mismatches.

The more I've been thinking about it the more I've gotta think that there must be something huge in this guy if we were offering him $6mx5yr this summer and now we're willing to do whatever we do to get him. Larry knows talent probably better than anyone in the league and this guy may come in and give 10 min, or he may develop into a killer 5 letting us start like this: DJ,Bell/Crash,Diaw/Crash,Mek/diaw, and Diop/Mek on the 5... the ability to move most players on our roster 1 position towards the back court gives us a versatility that many other teams cant even dream of. I will fall back from the soapbox with one final thing... ILBIT...ILBIT...ILBIT...ILBIT...ILBIT...ILBIT... we should start a chant like that in the stadium some day :)

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Guys, you all underestimating one thing. It doesn't matter what those players are averaging now. Only thing that matters is what LB can make them produce. I'm not saying Diop would flourish for sure, I just think that every young pure big man Larry actually wants have a solid chance to reshape things and become very good player. Or not. He could fail and even Larry can make a mistake. How many of you wanted Juwan btw?

Great point...what matters is what Diop can produce in Charlotte...

Just to expand your point...when we acquired Diaw, the biggest criticism is who would score all the points. We were giving up our biggest scorer for Diaw who had never averaged more than 16 PPG in his whole career.

Suddenly, Diaw becomes one of our biggest offensive threat and his other skills (ball handling, 3pt shooting, passing) just make him look like an all star for our team.

It's hard to see Diop becoming an offensive monster...but it's all about players being good fits for teams. So surely, the FO/LB see him as a good fit for us..

[docend24]

We're 21st in blocks and 29th in rebounds. From a thought process perspective, adding a defensive "beast" for a guy on his way out the door could be helpful. It would allow us, in some situations, to move Diaw to the 3 and Crash to the 2 creating some serious mismatches.Per possesion? I doubt that.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

We're 21st in blocks and 29th in rebounds. From a thought process perspective, adding a defensive "beast" for a guy on his way out the door could be helpful. It would allow us, in some situations, to move Diaw to the 3 and Crash to the 2 creating some serious mismatches.

crash at 2 ???? that might be worse than having him play the 4

crash is not a reliable shooter and certainly not a good ball handler

[jstar5]

I seriously have a hard time believing a deal would be dead based off of a 10 day injury. I'm hoping that this is us being shrewd and posturing for a better deal. Showing the teams involved that perhaps we aren't as desparate as they are and that we don't HAVE to do this deal.

Who knows, maybe DJ and Diop can master the lob pass plays that give players like Bynum half their pts.

[amour217]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/amour217/Tradez.jpg

[TattoodCats4life]

I seriously have a hard time believing a deal would be dead based off of a 10 day injury. I'm hoping that this is us being shrewd and posturing for a better deal. Showing the teams involved that perhaps we aren't as desparate as they are and that we don't HAVE to do this deal.

Who knows, maybe DJ and Diop can master the lob pass plays that give players like Bynum half their pts.

You mean how DJ and Hollins play together? Its almost like an alley-oop, but hollins lands after the catch before taking 1 more step THEN dunking it hard... Beauty in motion...

[TattoodCats4life]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/amour217/Tradez.jpg


Here's to you for making me piss my pants YET AGAIN!

:cheers1::funkybanana::cheers1:

[JamieMcNeill]

Ok so LB may be able to do wonders for Diop and we may be able to unload may and nazr but unless we are getting a pick from OKC i say fuck them and lets bring in a team with something we really want so we can get value for felts.

imma hit the trade checker and see what i can do

[DanielWheeler]

Sean may "I can haz cheezeburger?"

[jstar5]

You mean how DJ and Hollins play together? Its almost like an alley-oop, but hollins lands after the catch before taking 1 more step THEN dunking it hard... Beauty in motion...

That's a good example but I was thinking more along the lines of the Paul-Chandler and Farmar/Fisher/Kobe-Bynum connections, where its a super high lob pass off of pick and rolls or just hard drives to the hoop thrown down hard by long athletic 7-footers.

And if the trade goes down then I'll just tell myself the reasons he hasn't already turned in to that type of player is lack of opportunity and because Kidd has lost a step.

[Brad]

I can confirm Sean May haz all cheezburger. kthxbai.

[amour217]

I can confirm Sean May haz all cheezburger. kthxbai.

LOL good one +1

[DanielWheeler]

No love for the person who set him up?

[amour217]

No love for the person who set him up?

Yes, absolutely...+1 for the setup.

It's like saying "Sean May is SO fat..." (lol there should be a thread like that)

[Brad]

Sean May is in talks to revive McDonalds' Grimace character. No truth to the rumor that Bernie Bickerstaff will be the Hamburgler, (rubble-rubble), which meand JB Bickerstaff will not be cast in the role of "son of the Hamburgler".

[TattoodCats4life]

"Sean May so fat..." When he stepped on the court it cracked the ice underneath... AWWWWW SNAP!

[TattoodCats4life]

That's a good example but I was thinking more along the lines of the Paul-Chandler and Farmar/Fisher/Kobe-Bynum connections, where its a super high lob pass off of pick and rolls or just hard drives to the hoop thrown down hard by long athletic 7-footers.

And if the trade goes down then I'll just tell myself the reasons he hasn't already turned in to that type of player is lack of opportunity and because Kidd has lost a step.

I get ya, I was just trying to take the chance at showing how well those two play together... I think Hollins is the only one on the team who hasn't missed/dropped a super hot DJ pass, the best was the first time DJ hit Mek with one and Mek looked at him like "What planet you from boy?"

[DanielWheeler]

Sean May is so fat that when he sat down his ass killed all the three thousand people at time warner arena.

[TattoodCats4life]

Sean May is so fat that when he sat down his ass killed all the three thousand people at time warner arena.

Not bad... reminds of a game I went to last year where someone in 201 row A or B was Heckling him so bad He stood up and pointed right at the guy... all the guy was yelling was "Send May a BigMac"

[davcbow]

Not bad... reminds of a game I went to last year where someone in 201 row A or B was Heckling him so bad He stood up and pointed right at the guy... all the guy was yelling was "Send May a BigMac"

I bet that was the first time he stood up all last year and he was expecting to recieve a BigMac....:cool:

[SWedd523]

Diop was always known for his defense. He's a younger guy that can defend the other team's big man without too much trouble. I remember seeing him back when Dallas was could and I'd see him do pretty well. I wouldn't mind having him around if we get rid of May and Nazr. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~568~992~802~1027&teams=6~6~6~30~25~30&te=&cash= The proposed trade works btw

Watson is a serviceable PG who would do just fine backing DJ up. Diop can play tough D and get some rebounds. Diop is in a terrible contract, but it's about a mil less annually than Nazr's even though it's a year longer.

[uncballer1288]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055~992~802~1027~3466~1731~22 11~2753~2776~568~3016&teams=25~30~30~30~6~30~25~6~25~6~25&te=&cash=

How about this trade? We trade felton, nazr, morrison, carroll, and may; and then end up with watson, diop, stackhouse, and wilcox. I don't know if the thunder would want matt carroll's contract though; even though they need a SG badly.

Here's the lineup if this trade would go through:

PG - DJ, Watson, Singletary
SG - Bell, Stackhouse, Brown
SF - Wallace
PF - Diaw, Wilcox, Juwan, Ajinca
C - Okafor, Diop, Hollins

Then sign a SF to take up the last roster spot. Maybe Mickael Gelabale? (to keep the French connection going)

[TattoodCats4life]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055~992~802~1027~3466~1731~22 11~2753~2776~568~3016&teams=25~30~30~30~6~30~25~6~25~6~25&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055%7E992%7E802%7E1027%7E3466 %7E1731%7E2211%7E2753%7E2776%7E568%7E3016&teams=25%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E6%7E30%7E25%7E6%7E25%7E6 %7E25&te=&cash=)

How about this trade? We trade felton, nazr, morrison, carroll, and may; and then end up with watson, diop, stackhouse, and wilcox. I don't know if the thunder would want matt carroll's contract though; even though they need a SG badly.

Here's the lineup if this trade would go through:

PG - DJ, Watson, Singletary
SG - Bell, Stackhouse, Brown
SF - Wallace
PF - Diaw, Wilcox, Juwan, Ajinca
C - Okafor, Diop, Hollins

Then sign a SF to take up the last roster spot. Maybe Mickael Gelabale? (to keep the French connection going)

That looks fun, but how about this one:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055~992~802~3209~1027~3466~34 69~2211~2753~2776~568~3016&teams=25~30~30~30~30~6~30~25~6~25~6~25&te=&cash=

[JamieMcNeill]

i dont like involving OKC unless its a good pick so how about this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~3032~3055~2745~992~2761~22 11~2753~2776~568~3016&teams=30~30~4~30~30~30~6~6~4~4~4&te=&cash=

[BIGCatBobcat]

I don't get it. Now the thing with May from the Dallas paper and dude is ripping Ray, I think. Severly undervaluing him as a possible combo and splitting back up time with BA Barackus? May, Nazr and Ray do not = Diop and Watson. No sir, I don't like it.

[Slam]

Typical. I'm watching the Thunder Vs Nets (because of recent reports) and Watson is looking like a stud.

Of course I have seen him 6 other times this season and he has sucked arse the other 5 times so this strikes me at the exception rather than the rule!!

[BIGCatBobcat]

I don't know anything about the site or the writer but I like what I'm seeing here:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11203

[Proudiddy]

I don't know anything about the site or the writer but I like what I'm seeing here:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11203


I don't see anything but re-hashed news... and besides that, we have a new player named "Rarmond Felton."

[kickazzz2000]

I don't know anything about the site or the writer but I like what I'm seeing here:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11203

Doesn't really say what we would get outa that tho...

[BIGCatBobcat]

I only read the first 3 paragraphs.
A source in Charlotte's front office today said that, while teams are calling trying to "raid" their roster, there is no truth to the Raymond Felton rumors. They're getting offers constantly, but as of today there is nothing imminent.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

I don't know anything about the site or the writer but I like what I'm seeing here:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11203

interesting..i don't think of hoopsworld as being a reliable source, or most of the other sites for that matter (realgm, fannation). but good perspective

i'm surprised by this statement:
A source in Charlotte's front office today said that, while teams are calling trying to "raid" their roster, there is no truth to the Raymond Felton rumors. They're getting offers constantly, but as of today there is nothing imminent.

i thought bonnel's blog stated that the bobcats FO didn't deny the report or confirm it.im guessing their position has changed now with DJs injury

[polarcat]

if we really are getting offered diop and watson for felton right now, i would think we could get a much better return in a few weeks leading up to the deadline in february. i really hope it's just posturing on behalf of the 'cats that this supposed trade has this much pub.

[BRNC]

I think they will sit it out and wait for a reasonable deal at this point...there are enough teams that want Ray thet make it possible for the FO to get a good trade before the deadline...so why not wait...

[TattoodCats4life]

I think they will sit it out and wait for a reasonable deal at this point...there are enough teams that want Ray thet make it possible for the FO to get a good trade before the deadline...so why not wait...

I agree, the fact is there are not many point guards available, and Ray might possibly be towards the top of the list of who is available.

[LB4President]

Anyone think we can pry both Wilcox and Watson from OKC with Felton, May, and Morrison. I really don't know what they want. They already have so much young talent and expiring deals. I am confused as to what Sam Presti wants in return for his players, but this is a package of young players and expiring contracts. Felton and Morrison can help provide help at the guard spots.

[TattoodCats4life]

All I know is I hope we get some value for Ray as he is going to be a great player for someone else...

[docend24]

Anyone think we can pry both Wilcox and Watson from OKC with Felton, May, and Morrison. I really don't know what they want. They already have so much young talent and expiring deals. I am confused as to what Sam Presti wants in return for his players, but this is a package of young players and expiring contracts. Felton and Morrison can help provide help at the guard spots.I do think they don't want Raymond when they have Westbrook, who is a really solid peace at PF for future.

[ALuhrs704]

Villanueva would be a good aquisition for a team as well, and i would love him in charlotte. His is big, versitile, can shoot, and play D. We could start him at 3 or 4 and crash at 2, and diaw at either 3 or 4. But, i like diop and watson as our back up. We need DJ to get back from injury asap tho.

[LB4President]

Even though Higgins came out and denied that he was close to pulling the trigger on that trade, I kinda like it. Watson is a Larry Brown type player and I remember being extremely disruptive against the Spurs in the playoffs year after year. But I still think the Bobcats are waiting for someone to get desperate at the deadline. I think their mindset is somebody has to take him from us rather than us pawning him off for just some player. We will see what happens.

[TattoodCats4life]

Even though Higgins came out and denied that he was close to pulling the trigger on that trade, I kinda like it. Watson is a Larry Brown type player and I remember being extremely disruptive against the Spurs in the playoffs year after year. But I still think the Bobcats are waiting for someone to get desperate at the deadline. I think their mindset is somebody has to take him from us rather than us pawning him off for just some player. We will see what happens.

I like the mindset that makes it "other teams want" Felton instead of "we want to get rid of" felton. I wouldn't honestly mind us signing him but I dont think he'd take what I think he's worth (and that I think the cats could afford), think along the lines of matt's contract...I'd say to offer him less but the first thing he'd say is "HEY matt makes X and I'm better than that" Matt should be getting 2-3 mil x 5 yr, not 5 x 5 ;) Felton should get 3-4 x 5 at most from us...

[spectre]

Villanueva is big, versitile, can shoot, and play D.

He might can...but he doesn't. That and his laid back attitude is why he's been on the block for most of his NBA career.



Matt should be getting 2-3 mil x 5 yr, not 5 x 5 ;) Felton should get 3-4 x 5 at most from us...

You don't seriously think that do you?

Felton at the full MLE (6 million per, give or take) would be a fair salary for him and for whichever team that gives him that.

[countryboi]

Even though Higgins came out and denied that he was close to pulling the trigger on that trade, I kinda like it. Watson is a Larry Brown type player and I remember being extremely disruptive against the Spurs in the playoffs year after year. But I still think the Bobcats are waiting for someone to get desperate at the deadline. I think their mindset is somebody has to take him from us rather than us pawning him off for just some player. We will see what happens.

I like that word "desperate" maybe that means we can get over on someone in this trade...and now the other way around.....maybe we can raid the blazers not that they we go for that...but i know they really really want a back up point

[Slam]

Felton should get 3-4 x 5 at most from us...
Bibby gets $14 million this year.
Hinrich is at $9 million a year.
Alston is at $5 million a year.
TJ Ford is at $8.5 million a year.
Jaric is at $7 million a year.
Ridnour is at $6.5 million a year.
Duhon $6 million per.
Watson $6.5 million a year.
Nelson is making $7.6 mill.

Hell, Tinsley is at $7 million a year, Speedy Claxton gets $5.5 million a year and a guy like Marcus Banks gets paid $4.5 million per.

And you think that Felts is only worth $3-$4million per year..........max?!?!

[TattoodCats4life]

Okay you guys got a point... a decent point guard is MLE minimum maybe more, I just didn't realize all those guys made what they do...
---stepping down from the cross---
I just feel if we keep Felton he isn't our starter next year and he shouldn't get starter money...maybe 6 mil is bench money, but its surely the high end of bench money i'd think.

[spectre]

Okay you guys got a point... a decent point guard is MLE minimum maybe more, I just didn't realize all those guys made what they do...
---stepping down from the cross---
I just feel if we keep Felton he isn't our starter next year and he shouldn't get starter money...maybe 6 mil is bench money, but its surely the high end of bench money i'd think.

Some seem to be willing to pay Watson over 6 per to be a backup and he can only play/defend the 1. Felton is more versatile (what type of players does Larry Brown like again?), thus somewhat more valuable.

[Slam]

Okay you guys got a point... a decent point guard is MLE minimum maybe more, I just didn't realize all those guys made what they do...
---stepping down from the cross---
I just feel if we keep Felton he isn't our starter next year and he shouldn't get starter money...maybe 6 mil is bench money, but its surely the high end of bench money i'd think.
Hey man, don't get me wrong. If we can sign Felts for $3-$4 mill a year I'd jump for joy, but in reality, that is never going to happen.

[krazyrumpshaker]

The Matt Carrol contract would definitely be a measuring stick for signing Felton. If MC is making 5M a year, then Felton deserves alot more. MC contract is yet another mistake by the FO and FHB. If he did not make 5M, Felton may would be happy with 6-6.5M a year. Who knows, maybe he still would be. But in terms of who is more valuable and important to the team, Felton should def. be making significantly more money then Carrol.

[TattoodCats4life]

Hey man, don't get me wrong. If we can sign Felts for $3-$4 mill a year I'd jump for joy, but in reality, that is never going to happen.
:-\ I think I mentioned above how he wouldnt actually take it... especially when all he has to do is say "they pay matt more than that" I have my misgivings with felton, but I will say if he is willing to be 6th man, backup starter on the 1 if DJ cant play and back up start on the 2 if our 2 can't play, I'm willing to give him 6-7 mil on an escalating contract... But let us not forget who we are, I'm no agent, GM or anything like that...My biggest thing with Ray is they shouldnt play him in the last 12 minutes because he has a hero complex and tries to do something he cant....he is perfectly reasonable for 36 other minutes...

[uncballer1288]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055~992~802~406~2792~1027~346 6~1731~2211~2753~2776~568~3016&teams=25~30~30~25~30~30~6~15~25~6~6~6~25&te=&cash=

Here's a 4-team deal where we end up with watson, diop, stackhouse, and charlie V. That would give us a backup at each position capable of starting (minus SF).

[TattoodCats4life]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055~992~802~406~2792~1027~346 6~1731~2211~2753~2776~568~3016&teams=25~30~30~25~30~30~6~15~25~6~6~6~25&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055%7E992%7E802%7E406%7E2792% 7E1027%7E3466%7E1731%7E2211%7E2753%7E2776%7E568%7E 3016&teams=25%7E30%7E30%7E25%7E30%7E30%7E6%7E15%7E25%7E 6%7E6%7E6%7E25&te=&cash=)

Here's a 4-team deal where we end up with watson, diop, stackhouse, and charlie V. That would give us a backup at each position capable of starting (minus SF).

That's a lot coming back for so little, I like it, and it gives us an open roster spot so we can try some guys out on 10 day contracts.

[docend24]

Carroll is not paid 5M per year. This is the last year he is paid 5M or more. Frontloaded contract.

[TattoodCats4life]

Carroll is not paid 5M per year. This is the last year he is paid 5M or more. Frontloaded contract.

Yeah I think we'll be able to move him in the next year or two, or maybe he'll develop and we'll change our minds :)

[docend24]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055~992~802~406~2792~1027~346 6~1731~2211~2753~2776~568~3016&teams=25~30~30~25~30~30~6~15~25~6~6~6~25&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3055%7E992%7E802%7E406%7E2792% 7E1027%7E3466%7E1731%7E2211%7E2753%7E2776%7E568%7E 3016&teams=25%7E30%7E30%7E25%7E30%7E30%7E6%7E15%7E25%7E 6%7E6%7E6%7E25&te=&cash=)

Here's a 4-team deal where we end up with watson, diop, stackhouse, and charlie V. That would give us a backup at each position capable of starting (minus SF).
Whose picks go to Oklahoma City?

[spectre]

Ok...say we do Felton/Nazr for Diop/Watson/Denver's 1st (21st)

What if we then trade Crash/Ammo/Brown for Rip/Maxiell?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=294~2775~3016~1026&teams=30~30~8~8&te=&cash=

DJ/Watson/Singletary
Rip/Raja/Hammer
Boris/Maxiell
Mek/Howard/Ajinca/2 million expiring
Diop/Twiggy

We also gain an open roster spot. Of course we can play Mek at the 5 with Boris and Maxiell (I think they might work well together with Boris' outside range) and we get a great midrange offensive game with Rip.

Just a wild thought.

[JamieMcNeill]

Ok...say we do Felton/Nazr for Diop/Watson/Denver's 1st (21st)

What if we then trade Crash/Ammo/Brown for Rip/Maxiell?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=294~2775~3016~1026&teams=30~30~8~8&te=&cash (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=294%7E2775%7E3016%7E1026&teams=30%7E30%7E8%7E8&te=&cash)=

DJ/Watson/Singletary
Rip/Raja/Hammer
Boris/Maxiell
Mek/Howard/Ajinca/2 million expiring
Diop/Twiggy

We also gain an open roster spot. Of course we can play Mek at the 5 with Boris and Maxiell (I think they might work well together with Boris' outside range) and we get a great midrange offensive game with Rip.

Just a wild thought.

First of all the-roster-spot-formerly-known-as-sean-may is hilarious :D

second i like this except we would have to be looking for a SF sooner rather than later because i just dont think boris is the long term answer there. ive really liked how hes played there

[TattoodCats4life]

Ok...say we do Felton/Nazr for Diop/Watson/Denver's 1st (21st)

What if we then trade Crash/Ammo/Brown for Rip/Maxiell?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=294~2775~3016~1026&teams=30~30~8~8&te=&cash (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=294%7E2775%7E3016%7E1026&teams=30%7E30%7E8%7E8&te=&cash)=

DJ/Watson/Singletary
Rip/Raja/Hammer
Boris/Maxiell
Mek/Howard/Ajinca/2 million expiring
Diop/Twiggy

We also gain an open roster spot. Of course we can play Mek at the 5 with Boris and Maxiell (I think they might work well together with Boris' outside range) and we get a great midrange offensive game with Rip.

Just a wild thought.

I don't see the Pistons giving up Rip honestly...but they are in a position like we are with him and AI both needing starter money and taking the same spot on the roster...so maybe...but I'd just hate to see Wallace go...he has been such a great teammate as all the other players have come and gone...

[TattoodCats4life]

First of all the-roster-spot-formerly-known-as-sean-may is hilarious :D

second i like this except we would have to be looking for a SF sooner rather than later because i just dont think boris is the long term answer there. ive really liked how hes played there

Your right on...but honestly we need to get ourselves in the market for a 2 and a 3 because Wallace and Bell can't play without reliable backup sitting on the bench beyond this year.