First post here....

[winthropbobcat]

First let me say, it's great to have a site about the bobcats. I hate reading all the negativity on Charlotte.com. The bobcats have improved 10 fold since unloading Richardson.

I would also like to chime in on this trade talk....

Felton is an average point guard at best, who looks to score, before he passes. This is not a Larry Brown PG. DJ on the other hand, is a pass first PG, which in today's league is rare, which is why we drafted him. Watson is a tremendous back up PG who can get 25 min a game and most likely average 6 or 7 assists in the time and his three pointers. This is what we need. DJ will be top 5 in the NBA in assists next year if he starts. Write that down.

Diop would be a great upgrade from Nazi. He has a great upside, and can start at Center, this way Okafor can move to PF. I really like Diop.

I do think we would need a 2nd round pick, or another young player to at least make up for Feltons loss. Felton is a great guy and a decent PG, but he will never be a 20 ppg and 10 assists per game player. Personally I would love to get Gerald Green, or Bass in this deal to go along with them.

I really think this would be a good trade for us. I really really do. GO CATS!

[Slam]

Felton is a great guy and a decent PG, but he will never be a 20 ppg and 10 assists per game player.
Q: How many PG's in the NBA do you think average 20/10?

A: One.


How about we set realistic expectations?

[TattoodCats4life]

First let me say, it's great to have a site about the bobcats. I hate reading all the negativity on Charlotte.com. The bobcats have improved 10 fold since unloading Richardson.

I would also like to chime in on this trade talk....

Felton is an average point guard at best, who looks to score, before he passes. This is not a Larry Brown PG. DJ on the other hand, is a pass first PG, which in today's league is rare, which is why we drafted him. Watson is a tremendous back up PG who can get 25 min a game and most likely average 6 or 7 assists in the time and his three pointers. This is what we need. DJ will be top 5 in the NBA in assists next year if he starts. Write that down.

Diop would be a great upgrade from Nazi. He has a great upside, and can start at Center, this way Okafor can move to PF. I really like Diop.

I do think we would need a 2nd round pick, or another young player to at least make up for Feltons loss. Felton is a great guy and a decent PG, but he will never be a 20 ppg and 10 assists per game player. Personally I would love to get Gerald Green, or Bass in this deal to go along with them.

I really think this would be a good trade for us. I really really do. GO CATS!

Welcome to the board...

That aside please, a "pass first" PG is never ever going to get 20 ppg, I'd much rather a 10/15 pg though than a 15/10 pg... (felton is at 13/6 so above average)....

I will agree with you on one point, we need a bit more if we are going to take Diop's contract (which is a HUGE RISK). I think green would be great, I'd rather the Green on OKC than the one on Dallas, but I think thats less an option ;)

[BIGCatBobcat]

Welcome Winthrop. Y'all have been on a run down there in the SoCon, or Big South, which is it? Is Gardner-Webb in there now?
Anyway, I agree Raymond is an average PG, but he brings leadership and heart, with his drawbacks, yeah I would consider it almost a wash but he brings upside. Diop is younger and better than Nazr "don't call me that evil german name" Mohammed but he's a risk and we would not be receiving value for ray.

Welcome to the board!

[ohara831]

Winthrop : Let me state like the others that we welcome you to the Boards! Looking forward to reading your posts and discussing the Cats with you.

Although I have been a vocal one about Ray's limitations, he is an important part of this team. My preference would be to have him come off the bench as an explosive 6th amn who can play both the PG and SG for us at times. He would still log major minutes, and in my eyes would have a strong shot at 6th man of the year award each year. But if we are to trade him, I just think we can do better than the trade being dicsussed with Dallas. But that said, I was not so high on the last trade, and LB proved me wrong. The trade has been good for us, so if LB deems this trade would also be good for us, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[Ampsportsduo]

Welcome to the boards, sorry for the belated reply.

Some ground rules, established by me, and endorsed by no one:

1) Emeka is a 5
2) The same people that criticize Raymond nightly, give Wallace a free pass.
3) All the cool kids wear a BCP T-shirt.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Welcome to the boards, sorry for the belated reply.

2) The same people that criticize Raymond nightly, give Wallace a free pass.


why do you say that??

[Ampsportsduo]

why do you say that??

Because Ray is criticized daily on these boards, while Wallace (who hasn't dealt nearly as well with trade rumors) has had his effort questioned by even his own coach, and yet he remains largely immune to criticism amongst most on these boards.

[Slam]

Because Ray is criticized daily on these boards, while Wallace (who hasn't dealt nearly as well with trade rumors) has had his effort questioned by even his own coach, and yet he remains largely immune to criticism amongst most on these boards.
Or maybe dealing with the death of two family members in close sucsession played a part in ONE off night?

[Ampsportsduo]

Or maybe dealing with the death of two family members in close sucsession played a part in ONE off night?

See. (you'll also learn about the message limit)

[Felton for Prez]

2) The same people that criticize Raymond nightly, give Wallace a free pass.


Exactly.

DJ can also can do no wrong. And you're not allowed to talk about his inability to play defense or rebound. "He's a rookie" so that apparently excuses him of stuff like that.

[Slam]

See. (you'll also learn about the message limit)
It astounds me that any Bobcat fan would compare Felton's statistical output and influence on the game to Wallace's statistical output and influence on the game to and feel that Felton is hard done by.

[Ampsportsduo]

I can show you ten threads criticizing Raymond for everyone 1 criticizing Crash and the difference in the output isn't 10 to 1.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

I agree with Ampsport

think that GW and RF share many of the same qualities (hard work, drive to suceed, intensity, etc). And I think that sometimes we justify a poor game by GW because he has these qualities..meanwhile for Felton, we don't ever make excuses for him.

[Slam]

I can show you ten threads criticizing Raymond for everyone 1 criticizing Crash and the difference in the output isn't 10 to 1.
Who has the greater positive influence on the outcome of our games more often and who has the greater negative influence on the outcome of our games more often?

[winthropbobcat]

Noted. My point was Felton is a serviceable PG, but should be a 2 guard on most teams. His value is at the highest it has been, so maybe we should try and get something for him....

[Felton for Prez]

Noted. My point was Felton is a serviceable PG, but should be a 2 guard on most teams. His value is at the highest it has been, so maybe we should try and get something for him....

No one is really debating your point. You just got caught up in the always hot button topic of Raymond Felton. It happens a lot (I am just as guilty or more so than most).

Welcome.

[110oldeast]

I don't know. But when I showed the stats last year to be the inverse of what you're implying (and not just slightly), it was shot down by many.

As I said then, Gerald is the heart and soul of the FANBASE and the Charlotte media. Bonnell has always had a mancrush on him and has covered him as such. Conversely with Felton, he has picked and prodded at him from day 1 when he was concerned about him unseating his other favorite Brevin Knight. Conversely, when they finally brought someone to unseat Felton as he clamored for every year in Augustin, he has gone out of his way to positively speak to every facet of his game. He would begrudgingly compliment Felton and often do it in a backhanded fashion. And as he now compliments him as much as he does, there is a part of me that thinks it is in hopes of doing his role to play up his trade value. It's not like he's showing any new positive traits that he hasn't in his past if Rick or anyone else was looking. So for all the effusive praise from Rick to just now start coming out....

For Ray's 3 years before this one, he has consistently had the highest clutch rating on 82games.com in terms of effects on wins and losses in games with a 5 pt differential in the 4th quarter or OT with 5 minutes left. And yet, the only thing you ever hear on this board is how he has had a history of "losing" games for us. Never mind that the few 4 or 5 game win streaks the franchise has had has been when he was playing predominantly or exclusively at the pg. It doesn't add up.

It almost seems like an unspoken code that if you wanna come in, fit in, and display a decent basketball IQ, speaking to Raymond Felton's shortcomings and negative impact on the team is the safe way in among the board. Furthermore, watching games and waiting for an opportunity to criticize him in a game thread is an instant point scorer. Nevermind what else happens.

As to comment about him never being top 5 in assists, well not in LB's system b/c of pace. That said, last year he was #7 in assists and after the All-Star Break and Jeff McInnis being let go, he was #5 overall and #1 in the East. He was only behind Paul, Nash, Williams, and Kidd. And unlike those guys, he had no PF to speak of, let alone an elite one like they did. All the non-pass first mess is a load. Read his pre-draft scouting report. He was more pass first than DJ, but when you are playing 2g, you are going to shoot more. The way that Bonnell and others have manipulated his stats (ignoring him splitting time at the 2) to make him look like a gunning pg is a joke.


Who has the greater positive influence on the outcome of our games more often and who has the greater negative influence on the outcome of our games more often?