The Official Terrance Williams Thread

[coordinator0]

I haven't heard much talk about him and i was wondering what you guy's perspective on him was. Personally, I like him a lot. He could be that do-it-all SG that we need, and he has decent size as well. He wouldn't be a lottery pick but if we trade back or trade into the late first he would be a great pick IMO.

Thoughts?

[BETCATS]

i just youtubed him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-dPw2y7_DQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLJpGx0FnR0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYii1HtFzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rR6e7nBahI&feature=related

This guy can jump.

If we could get him in the 2nd round...niceness!

[SWedd523]

I haven't been too impressed with what I've seen of him this year. Him and Clark have both underperformed thus far. He won't be in the lottery discussion but wouldn't be a bad 2nd rounder.

I like to think of him as a SG version of Crash, but not as good

[Slam]

His stats are off the charts attractive. I have only seen the one Louisville game this year and I was watching for Earl to see what he was all about!

I'll try to keep a closer eye on Williams. Seems like there will be a lot of potentially interesting swing men available late in the 1st/early in the 2nd.

[BETCATS]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/collegesports/2008641850_hoop18.html

He dropped 20 in the win over Pitt.

I like this guy.
Steal of the draft?

[Slam]

Another big game last night.

23pts (9-14, 1-2, 4-6). 11 boards, 1 assist, 4 steals, 1 block.

6 turn overs though.

Looks like there are going to be a lot of good options at the 2 spot if we are picking mid-late 1st round!

[Slam]

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Kyle-Nelson/#The-Week-Ahead-What-to-Watch-in-College-Basketball-124-130--3089


Terrence Williams (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Williams-507/), a 6’6 combo-guard who has is averaging 22.3 ppg, 11.3 rpg, and 4.3 apg in his past three games

Terrence Williams (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Williams-507/) is gaining serious steam with his play as of late

[Slam]

He did it again last night - and on a big stage against UConn. He was the ONLY thing the Cards had going for them last night. The rest of the team sucked arse but Williams looked fantastic. His 3pt shot was on, he played tough D and he drove well.

He ended up with:

26pts (11/16, 3/3, 1/1)
5 boards
1 assist
1 steal
3 blocks
2 turn overs

He also picked up a couple of early fouls that slowed him down a little.

I was thinking that I saw a poor mans Vince Carter last night, but then I read a poster on another board this morning compare him to Andre Iguodala - which is a GREAT comparison IMO.

If only he could improve on his FT shooting and consistency.

[BETCATS]

He did it again last night - and on a big stage against UConn. He was the ONLY thing the Cards had going for them last night. The rest of the team sucked arse but Williams looked fantastic. His 3pt shot was on, he played tough D and he drove well.

He ended up with:

26pts (11/16, 3/3, 1/1)
5 boards
1 assist
1 steal
3 blocks
2 turn overs

He also picked up a couple of early fouls that slowed him down a little.

I was thinking that I saw a poor mans Vince Carter last night, but then I read a poster on another board this morning compare him to Andre Iguodala - which is a GREAT comparison IMO.

If only he could improve on his FT shooting and consistency. I totally agree, but if we could get him, Larry Brown would turn him into what everybody wished Vince Carter was. Also, i love the three blocks in that stat line. A athletic defender is a Larry Brown player.

[Slam]

. Also, i love the three blocks in that stat line
They were all legit blocks too - not soft, finger tip type ones. Two in particular were him in the key, defender driving at him and him going up and challenging the shot. The other was a weak side block.

I agree - I could see him being an LB type of player. I could see LB having the same positive effect on him that he has had on Crash and getting him to drive more.

[swetooth9]

yea, this guy is vicious. one of my favorite players in college

[Slam]

I can't get over how wildley inconsistent he is. At times he looks like Mickael Pietrus and other times he looks like Iggy.

In the THREE COMBINED games before last night he did his Pietrus thing and went for:

8pts (on 2-16 shooting), 13 boards, 16 assists, 1 steal and 4 blocks.

The last night in a single game, he breaks out of his slump with and Iggy type game of:

17pts (7-11, 2-4, 1-2), 6 boards, 8 assists, 2 steals.

If he could ever get some consistancy he'd be a top 5 pick.

[coordinator0]

Wasn't he hurt for a few games? Maybe it was another Louisville player...

[Slam]

Wasn't he hurt for a few games? Maybe it was another Louisville player...
I think he dinged his hand or wrist there for a while.

[Slam]

Heck of a game again today for Williams against Cincinnati.

20pts (8-14, 3-5, 1-3), 8 boards, 5 assists, 3 steals.

He looked AWESOME doing it too. Scored in a variety of ways, was confident with the ball, played awesome D, stayed out of foul trouble.

Seriously, if this game was his MO, he'd be a top 5 pick.

[Slam]

Williams can't shoot for shit (or at least is wildley inconsistent) but man, he brings a lot of other things to the table.

He almost had a triple double last night with 10pts, 12 boards, 7 assists, 2 steals and 1 block aginst Georgetown.

He went 3-9 from the floor, 0-2 from down town and 4-9 from the line.

Great role player.

[BETCATS]

this is who i want us to get. Not sure with what pick but him/a PF = a good draft

[Slam]

4 years of college with career averages of 40% from the floor and 59% from the line (that's right, 59%!!) scare me a little.

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that he can improve from the line (Crash has), but he is a senior so you would expect that by now, he would have worked those things out.

He is a good "Swiss Army Knife" type player though.

[Slam]

Every time I get some serious Terrence Williams man love flowing through my body, he has a game like today's against Providence.

6 points on 1/7, 0/2, 4/4
6 boards
4 boards
4 steals
1 block
2 turn overs

While the added extra's (boards, steals etc) are great (as is the 4/4 from the line!!), the 1/7 reminds me of his suspect shooting and that there has been 12 games this season that he has only scored in single figures.

Still, I wouldn't hesitate looking at him mid-late in the 1st round if he was there.

[SWedd523]

5/11/6/3 in Louisville's semifinal win against Villanova

[Slam]

Title game against Syracuse and Williams displays his all round game once again.

11pts (4/10, 2/7, 1/2)
7 boards
6 assists
7 steal
0 block
3 turn overs

That's right SEVEN steals!!

Pitino said after the game (while glowing about Terrence) that he was a poor to average shooter, now he is an average to good shooter and once he gets to the next level he'll become a good to excellent shooter - and at that stage everyone better watch out for Terrence Williams.

I don't doubt him.

[coordinator0]

I've always loved me some T-Will and I'm not stopping now. If we make the playoffs and get a later pick; he'd be my #1 option assuming Harden, Henderson, Evans, Warren, and possibly DeRozan are gone.

[Slam]

I've always loved me some T-Will and I'm not stopping now. If we make the playoffs and get a later pick; he'd be my #1 option assuming Harden, Henderson, Evans, Warren, and possibly DeRozan are gone.
I'll post my positional big board once we know who's in and who's out of the draft, but at this stage I'd have T-Will easily above Warren and DeRozan.

But that's just my feelings.

He has a little swagger to him that I really like too. Not cocky, just confident. We could do with that. I could see him and Raja rocking the 2 spot for us really, really well.

[teej]

I haven't seen Louisville play yet, but when I watch them in the NCAA's I will focus on T-Will. Anyone who gets 7 steals has to have LB salivating, especially when they get 7 boards and 6 assists too. His stats don't show much improvement over the couse of his career though...

[Slam]

His stats don't show much improvement over the couse of his career though...
Valid concern - especially considering he is a senior - but - he is a young senior (will only be 21 on draft day) his ppg, rpg and apg have gone up slightly each year, but more importantly, his fg% has gone up and he is shooting the 3 ball better than ever before.

Plus he has an AWESOME body/build.

I have heard that he had a little bit of an ego problem, but since playing under Pinito has totally turned it around and been the perfect team mate.

He never knew his father and looks at his coach as the male role model in his life. I could see the exact same dimension with LB with Raja playing big brother.

[teej]

Valid concern - especially considering he is a senior - but - he is a young senior (will only be 21 on draft day) his ppg, rpg and apg have gone up slightly each year, but more importantly, his fg% has gone up and he is shooting the 3 ball better than ever before.

Plus he has an AWESOME body/build.

I have heard that he had a little bit of an ego problem, but since playing under Pinito has totally turned it around and been the perfect team mate.

He never knew his father and looks at his coach as the male role model in his life. I could see the exact same dimension with LB with Raja playing big brother.

PPG went down his junior year. RPG went up only .2 his junior year, so thats pretty much stagnant considering he had three more MPG. APG improvement is fine, I was more worried about his turnovers, really. Also, his free throw percentage went down. But his FG% and 3pFG went up so thats good. And yea, his build looks good.

Raja would be an AWESOME role model.

[Slam]

Another typical T.Will type game today against Siena.

24pts (9/14, 4/6, 2/3)
15 boards
4 assists
2 steal
0 block
3 turn overs

Total stud today. He showed great grit and hustle and had the team ticking wonderfully.

He's a young senior and I'm liking him more and more every time I see him. There are some things he needs to add and work on, but I think he could be great.

[coordinator0]

There's so many SG's that I like this year, i can't keep my rankings in order... I would be happy with any one out of five to seven guys.

[Slam]

Good read:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recap?gid=200903220314&prov=ap

[Slam]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TourneyWatch-090323


Williams has been one of the biggest enigmas in college hoops. He has all the physical tools to be a lottery pick, but his game has rarely matched his talent. Poor shooting percentages, high turnover rates and some off-putting on-the-court behavior have given many scouts pause. But his play in the tournament so far has been hard to ignore.
He was solid in the opening round versus Morehead State, putting up 13 points, nine boards and three assists. And he was spectacular versus Siena, tallying 24 points, 13 boards and four assists.
His athleticism, rebounding and passing ability make him a very attractive draft prospect. But he'll have to continue to dominate in the tournament to change the feeling that many NBA executives have about his seriousness to the game.

[Slam]

Williams game has made huge strides this season. His numbers on the year show the impressive versatility he possesses: 12.7 ppg, 8.7 rpg, and 5 apg. He's also averaging close to 40% from 3, an aspect of his game that before this season was a major weakness: outside shooting, has vastly improved.

The Louisville Siena match up turned into the "Terrence Williams show" as he single handedly took the game over. With 8 minutes left in their second round match up with Siena, down by 4 (63-59) it was Williams' heroics which helped Louisville retake control of the game.

Williams scored in close to the basket and then after a few scoreless possessions for both teams hit a three pointer to recapture the lead. Louisville would never trail again as their defense held tight and they quickly built a 5 point lead and cruised to victory.

TWill's game high 24 pts (9/14 fg) and 15 rebounds speaks to his added maturity and shows that he's able to step up in big games. He is making a strong push to be one of, if not, the top senior selected in this year's draft, and if he's able to lead Louisville to the title, it would enhance his draft stock further.
asdasdadasdas

[Slam]

Granted Williams has been on the rise for weeks and benefits from an excellent senior season, and also came through with a clutch performance against Siena. But his collapse against Michigan State is sure to keep his stock from climbing where it might have had Louisville won it all, or reached the Final Four.

Williams disappeared when Louisville needed him most going 1-7 for 5 points in Louisville's biggest game of the season. His disappointing final game reinforced the sentiment that he's inconsistent and despite all of his athletic gifts, struggles to maximize his ability.asdasdasdass

[Slam]

Watching the Sixers Vs the Magic and the way that Iggy can impact a game with his passing and vision and the way he gets others involved and easy baskets makes me think more and more that realistically with where we will be drafting, Terrence Williams would be the perfect fit for us.

Also, both Felts and DJ would really beneift by having a SG like Williams playing next to them who could share some of the play making with them. It would also allow Boris to play deeper in the post on offense and not so much from the high post.

At the moment, and I don't see this changing, I have TWill as the #2 SG on my big board behind Harden with Evans at the #3 spot.

[Dead_Real]

I'd go Harden, Evans & than T-Will on my SG Big board those two are head of him based on upside & yoyo handles. With that said if the lottery balls don't fall into our favor I'd be happy with T-Will. Great NBA SG size, he does a little bit of everything he just needs to fine tune 1 or two other negatives & has freakish athleticism. It's hilarious seeing overhyped SG prospects like Steph Curry rated & going higher than him.

[Slam]

Ideally we land a SG who can create his own shot, but with Felts, DJ and Boris all on the court, that might not be the biggest need - especially if the SG we do land is like an Iggy/T.Will who can create so quickly and easliy for others.

The biggest problem I have with him (and any other professional basketball player who's crap at it) is his FT shooting. If he can get that in check and like Swish did and Crash did, take it up to the mid 70's/low 80's, I'd be stoked.

The one that makes me laugh is DeRozan. I could easily justify Curry ahead of him, but not DeRozan.

[Dead_Real]

He seems like a really hardworker just going on how his numbers improved from year to year & his jumper. I could see him tightening up his FT shooting & becoming a decent ball handler enough to get to the rim at will ala Crash. Good point about the great passers in DJ, Ray & Diaw to hide him not being able to create for himself.


DeRozan could be a top 5 prospect in this draft if he had heart/will to WANT to be great I haven't seen it yet but the talent is there. As far as Curry he will always have a job because he's a pure shooter but as an overall talent I'm not that high on him SG in PG body. He'd be ideal if you took his B Ball IQ & inserted that into Jeff Teague.

[ALuhrs704]

Terrance williams IS the pick the bobcats need. IDK where he is projected, but if we could steal him it would be amazing. I watched him all year in the Big East and he is definitely a solid player, and i think will even be better in the pro's his game fits the pro game perfectly.

[Ghost Kat]

OK, before i looked here I was starting to get on the G. Henderson bandwagon but the love for this guy has made me jump off. I don't know much about T. Williams. But i like his all around stat line.

[Dead_Real]

Not only is he a beast on the court he gives a great interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezh96LpwjrA&feature=related

[SWedd523]

http://www.hooplife.ca/raptorshq/viewHQArticle.php?id=701


As for Williams, he was in top form.

He’s in great shape having worked out with Gary Payton since the end of the college season, his shot mechanics look better and better, and he’s still as dominant as ever athletically.

The Raptors ran the prospects through an interesting drill where one player would have to defend each of the other five individuals in turn. Only when the defensive player got a stop or rebounded a missed shot, did the next player take their turn attacking. If the defender committed a foul or failed to gain the possession, the two would go at it again until a stop was made, or the offensive player scored. Each of the six individuals yesterday took their turn defending the other five and of the group, Williams dominated every player he was matched up with from an offensive standpoint, from Green to the taller Ingles. He settled for a jump shot once but otherwise simply attacked off the bounce using his superior quickness and athleticism. (Sidebar – it was interesting to hear the Raptors’ brass continuously yelling for players “not to settle” in this drill. Think BC is looking for someone who’s going to attack the basket?) Williams is also extremely strong as even if the defender managed to get Terrence to pick up his dribble, Williams would simply put his shoulder into his man and power through to the hoop or out-jump his man in order to drop-in a baby-hook.

[Dead_Real]

Props swedd I pray we bring him in for a workout imagine his defensive potential after learning from the glove & possibly Raja/Coach Brown if we draft him.

[Ghost Kat]

I have to do a little more digging but I'm quickly starting to think He might be the best pick up at #12. We need a good tough defender at SG. Someone that can create their own shot but help get shots for others. Good size at 6'6, good bounce and finisher. As of right now he's at the top of my leader board.

[Dead_Real]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iI83Xu7go&feature=related

[Ghost Kat]

I still like this guy for were we will be drafting. His team mate Earl Clark would be a nice pick up, maybe get SG like Danny Green in the 2nd rd. But if we don't go big, I'd choose Williams over Henderson right now. I think Henderson may have a pretty good NBA career ahead of him, But Williams seems to offer more all around game that could help allow other Bobcats to score easily.

[Slam]

I'm starting to think that after a good 2 day workout with the Raps a couple of weeks ago that they might snap T-Will up at #9.

[dav7z]

I'm starting to think that after a good 2 day workout with the Raps a couple of weeks ago that they might snap T-Will up at #9.


If we even thinking of taking Williams . We need to trade down and get the 18 and 28th picks. Williams won't go be for 18 it's just to many guards in frunt of him . Though i think he's a bargin at eighteen.

[Slam]

If we even thinking of taking Williams . We need to trade down and get the 18 and 28th picks. Williams won't go be for 18 it's just to many guards in frunt of him . Though i think he's a bargin at eighteen.
He's in Golden State today working out and Nellie is said to be high on him (#7).

He had a two day work out with the Raps and BC met with him personally (something he doesn't usually do) and was said to be high on him (#9)

He worked out and met with Joe D in Detriot and they are said to be high on him (#15).

He measured out very well at the combine.

I'm not so sure he'll be there at #18.

[dav7z]

He's in Golden State today working out and Nellie is said to be high on him (#7).

He had a two day work out with the Raps and BC met with him personally (something he doesn't usually do) and was said to be high on him (#9)

He worked out and met with Joe D in Detriot and they are said to be high on him (#15).

He measured out very well at the combine.

I'm not so sure he'll be there at #18.

Hard to belive G/S drafts him with all those 2s but you never know about Nellie .
I kinda doubt the Pistons draft him with Rip being thair best player to rebuild with , I look for them to draft a Point or a p/f to replace Wallace [Blair if around but hes climbing up boards all so]
The Raps might really be instrested in him at nine though. I COULD SEE HIM GOING THAIR...

[Dead_Real]

Found his workout footage with GSW nice little interview I think Coach Brown will love his game because of what he prides himself on doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYbW6OgtmN4

[Legend]

I really want to know more about this guy because it seems a lot of people here have high hopes for him. He really is athletic, when he dunks (you guys are going get at me at this lol) he reminds me like LeBron going strong to the hoop.

[Slam]

I really want to know more about this guy because it seems a lot of people here have high hopes for him. He really is athletic, when he dunks (you guys are going get at me at this lol) he reminds me like LeBron going strong to the hoop.
I'm not going to get at you. I 100% agree. I've felt for a long time that T-Will is a (very) poor mans LeBron. With the strong bodies and excellent court vision as well as the question mark over their jump shots, I totally see the comparison.

I'm not for a second suggesting that T-Will be any where near as good as the King (obviously) but I think their playing styles are very much the same.

[teej]

I really want to know more about this guy because it seems a lot of people here have high hopes for him. He really is athletic, when he dunks (you guys are going get at me at this lol) he reminds me like LeBron going strong to the hoop.

I definately wouldn't mind that, as long as we could match him up with LeBron, because King James has killed us

BTW Legend, welcome and I noticed you're from McLeansville, I used to live that way, in Whitsett, on Lake McIntosh. How long you lived there?

[Dead_Real]

I'm not going to get at you. I 100% agree. I've felt for a long time that T-Will is a (very) poor mans LeBron. With the strong bodies and excellent court vision as well as the question mark over their jump shots, I totally see the comparison.

I'm not for a second suggesting that T-Will be any where near as good as the King (obviously) but I think their playing styles are very much the same.
He's a walking triple double ala King James

+1 for Legend I never even thought of that but it's true minus the handles

[Legend]

I definately wouldn't mind that, as long as we could match him up with LeBron, because King James has killed us

BTW Legend, welcome and I noticed you're from McLeansville, I used to live that way, in Whitsett, on Lake McIntosh. How long you lived there?
Yeah, I've been living here for 6 years now, I use to live in Greensboro. But yeah as I said I'm trying to get more from that guy and all I ever seen him do is dunk. How well does he shoot?

[Dead_Real]

^He has good form when he shoots but his shooting percentages/free throws could stand to be higher but got better as a senior especially from 3. He's never going to be a Jesus Shuttlesworth type shooter but he's a work horse though & always seems to improve year to year.

[Ghost Kat]

He's never going to be a Jesus Shuttlesworth type shooter

And where is Jesus now?

I really think T. Will would be great for this team. He's not a Raja 2.0, to me he's more like Raja 3.5. Williams offers athletic skill, attitude and under LB he could improve the way Wallace has this year. Wallace FT went up 20% this year. Even Diop looked better at the end of the year. They have Dell Curry there to help on his jumper, Not that it was helped Felton any.

I hope he shows something when the Cat bring him in ( Next week? ). I don't now if he'll be a walking triple double in the NBA but it shows how well he can fill the stat box. It shows basketball is about alot more then shooting a basketball and scoring points.

[Dead_Real]

And where is Jesus now ?
At home w/ his championship ring I assume...

[Ghost Kat]

At home w/ his championship ring I assume...

I hate Ray Allen so much I banned that movie from my house

[Dead_Real]

I hate Ray Allen so much I banned that movie from my house
Damn I liked Allen & KG somewhat before they went to Boston never liked that squad one of my most hated sports teams along with the Patriots/Cowboys.

[teej]

Damn I liked Allen & KG somewhat before they went to Boston never liked that squad one of my most hated sports teams along with the Patriots/Cowboys.

I liked them even more post-trade...:rolleyes:

[teej]

According to Bonnell, LB has a 420-page playbook from JUST in-game plays last season.

Guess someone with a low basketball IQ like T-Will isn't gonna get much love in the FO.

[BRNC]

It would seem to cut down the number of players (considerably) that we will actually look at drafting in the first round...

[Slam]

According to Bonnell, LB has a 420-page playbook from JUST in-game plays last season.

Guess someone with a low basketball IQ like T-Will isn't gonna get much love in the FO.
What are you talking about? Terrennce Williams often played point for the Cards and was the floor general.

Why on Earth would you think that he has a low BBIQ?

[teej]

What are you talking about? Terrennce Williams often played point for the Cards and was the floor general.

Why on Earth would you think that he has a low BBIQ?

Draftexpress, which never uses the word "low" (at least that I've seen), just has Basketball IQ with a question mark listed under weaknesses for T-Will, along with settling for bad shots (indicative of a low BBIQ, and something that kills LB), and being out of control at times (same, a la Shannon Brown), as well as questionable intangibles, which LB loves. And players with high BBIQ's usually have good intangibles, the notable exception being Sean May, who only has tangibles, and plenty of them

[Dead_Real]

Dudley was the definition of high IQ & was shopped by Larry Brown...

I watched a lot of Louisville games & he never came across as a 'dumb' player to me besides settling for his J to much instead of attacking the rim at will. I see know reason LB wouldn't love his game very good passer (you saw how Brown talked about Curry's passing more than his shooting), tough, defensive minded, athletic & versatile.

[dav7z]

What are you talking about? Terrennce Williams often played point for the Cards and was the floor general.

Why on Earth would you think that he has a low BBIQ?



If you read all his weakness of his college years . It's things thet stand out for sure. One the guy is a athletic freak. It says hes a triple dubble waiting to happen. Next he takes to many bad shots from the three point line.
He has a much worse jumper in college than Felton had % wize. It all so says he don't have a good handle with his off hand. In his early college he's had attitude problems. Even last year he drifted in and out of games.

Have you ever noticed Browns fist answer about players he works out? Most of the time he says somthing about how smart the kid is.
His work outs consist mostly teaching . Hes watching and seeing how quickly the player learns. Hes all ready knows thair basketball ability from waching game types.BBIQs are very important to him .
From this i don't think the kid listens well. But if he does listen to Brown the kid could be special.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/terrence-williams
Strenths and Weakness Read both and then decide if hes coachable. AI ,kinda had a lot of the same type problems . But Brown helped make him a star??????

[SWedd523]

I can definitely understand why there are some concerns about his intelligence, but I don't think there would be any issue if LB signed off on him.

[Ghost Kat]

Good points made against T. Will but I think He has the mindset to be modeled by LB. Hopefully when he works out next week LB will see a Crash 2.0 in him. His shooting % should go up since he won't be looked at as a Go-To scorer coming off the bench. He can get his points the same way Wallace does, plus he can probably pass better then Wallace. That might open things up for other players.

[SWedd523]

Good points made against T. Will but I think He has the mindset to be modeled by LB. Hopefully when he works out next week LB will see a Crash 2.0 in him. His shooting % should go up since he won't be looked at as a Go-To scorer coming off the bench. He can get his points the same way Wallace does, plus he can probably pass better then Wallace. That might open things up for other players.

And if anything, we could look at this in the same was as Crash and LB's relationship. Crash isn't a guy you would think is overly intelligent, but LB doesn't care because he sees immense potential in him. Williams plays like Crash--a little less wild and explosive, but a little more technical and floor generalish. We all know how much LB likes Wallace, so I'm sure he'll like Williams unless he's a complete and total idiot.

[teej]

And if anything, we could look at this in the same was as Crash and LB's relationship. Crash isn't a guy you would think is overly intelligent, but LB doesn't care because he sees immense potential in him. Williams plays like Crash--a little less wild and explosive, but a little more technical and floor generalish. We all know how much LB likes Wallace, so I'm sure he'll like Williams unless he's a complete and total idiot.

Except T-Will doesn't have as long to impress LB...it took Gerald a half-season.

[SWedd523]

Except T-Will doesn't have as long to impress LB...it took Gerald a half-season.

Unless Crash impressed LB so much that he opened his eyes to what a player with his skillset can do. We all know how much he loves Crash. If he sees Williams as a younger version of Crash that he can work with and groom from a young age then he can't help but take him.

[Slam]

I think some people are seriously confused at what a low BBIQ is. A low BBIQ is generally someone who doesn't/can't follow direction, misses on defensive assignments, doesn't know when to switch, can't not work within a teams scheme, has a problem retaining information, doesn't understand angles etc.

Low BBIQ isn't someone who shoots 3's rather than drives (especially when the person isn't a volume shooter and actually facilitates the flow of the teams offense).

I see T-Will in the same mold as guys like Josh Howard, Kevin Martin and Cortney Lee. All seniors drafted towards the end of the 1st round that people say now, should have been top 10 picks.

[dav7z]

I think some people are seriously confused at what a low BBIQ is. A low BBIQ is generally someone who doesn't/can't follow direction, misses on defensive assignments, doesn't know when to switch, can't not work within a teams scheme, has a problem retaining information, doesn't understand angles etc.

Low BBIQ isn't someone who shoots 3's rather than drives (especially when the person isn't a volume shooter and actually facilitates the flow of the teams offense).

I see T-Will in the same mold as guys like Josh Howard, Kevin Martin and Cortney Lee. All seniors drafted towards the end of the 1st round that people say now, should have been top 10 picks.

I don't think he has the shoot as a Howard, Martin , or Lee . But if he listens to Brown this kid could be better than any of those three.
He reminds me of Bell on the defencive side of the ball . But is more athletic on the offencive side with not quite as good of shot.
If he could get his handle with his off hand better and become more consistant with his jumper . His offencive game would remind me of Wade.
If he could play defence like Bell and offence like Wade WOW. They say he's a triple dubble waiting to happen. With a little work the kid could be special.


Drafting do you want to be safe of hit the grand slam . Thats kinda what this reminds me of, Budlinger, Henderson, Ellington , Curry and others are more safe but T Williams has much more up side,

Slam has a great eye for talent and has proven that over the years . And if this is Slams guy im ok with that. Even if the mocks have him far below twelve. I trust Slams openion more than most mocks.
I would still like to pick him up a little later and back our self into another pick some kind of way . The bad thing is the kid could be gone quicker than we think.
Some one said this pick is just a back up s/g slot. I feel this this pick is our next starting s/g after next year. And Bell will either go to another team or be come our back up because of his age.

[spectre]

Some one said this pick is just a back up s/g slot. I feel this this pick is our next starting s/g after next year. And Bell will either go to another team or be come our back up because of his age.

Odds aren't very good in finding a starter at 12th. I linked to an article the other day that said pretty much everyone after 5 is a real crap shoot.

We'll probably be lucky just to find a strong role player.

[BRNC]

I think the talent (6-20) is there for strong role players "if" that pick goes to the team that actually needs the talent...with that said I think there are a couple of players we can get with our pick that will help...as to the "if we pick them" that's up to a FO that has shown me little to nothing...so I'm not holding my breath...

[Slam]

Odds aren't very good in finding a starter at 12th. I linked to an article the other day that said pretty much everyone after 5 is a real crap shoot.

We'll probably be lucky just to find a strong role player.
Totally agree. That's why I'd rather draft a kid like T-Will at #12 who I know can come in and help from day #1 while focusing on making Crash or Boris our "star" than take a risk on a guy like DeRozan at #12 who might take 3 or 4 years to pan out - if ever.

I think that T-Will would be a perfect complimentry type player to our current roster and a lock as a starter eventually.

Edit: I feel the same way about Henderson, but think he would be a better partner to DJ than Felts.

[spectre]

FWIW I think LB's on the same page as you.

Downside...there probably won't be any "Eaaaaaaaarrrrrrlllllllllllllllllllllllll" chants being made at the Cable Box this next season.

[dav7z]

Totally agree. That's why I'd rather draft a kid like T-Will at #12 who I know can come in and help from day #1 while focusing on making Crash or Boris our "star" than take a risk on a guy like DeRozan at #12 who might take 3 or 4 years to pan out - if ever.

I think that T-Will would be a perfect complimentry type player to our current roster and a lock as a starter eventually.

Edit: I feel the same way about Henderson, but think he would be a better partner to DJ than Felts.

Im sure Brown is looking for a s/g who will be able to start in a year or two .
In Williams or Henderson . It's players in this draft after the fifth pick who could turn into starters down the road . People make this class sound like the worst ever but it's loaded with some nice points and s/g s . The thing thet makes people think the class is so weak is it's lack of bigs. I think some teams will take bigs way to early for thair abilitys. Leting some nice points and S/Gs fall into the 20tys.

[Dead_Real]

^Yea there are quite a few diamond in the rough players who are being undervalued. They might not be stars but draft guys like Williams, Hendo, Maynor, Teague or a Lawson for example your getting a very good player who could start depending on what situations they go into.

[polarcat]

though twill is slotted to go mid-late teens right now, i feel like after some more workouts he will be closer to the 9-13 range. he looks like exactly what we need which is depth, young, explosive, defensive juggernaut and can potentially be our future 2. i love his attitude and really hope terrance will be a cat on draft night.

[Slam]

He's climbing dav!!


I’d say, all outside issues being equal, Holiday and Memphis’ Tyreke Evans and Louisville’s Terrence Williams are the most likely options for the Warriors at 7, given their needs and Don Nelson’s interests.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/06/10/will-jrue-holiday-work-out-for-the-warriors-something-to-monitor/

[teej]

He's climbing dav!!



http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/06/10/will-jrue-holiday-work-out-for-the-warriors-something-to-monitor/

For the record, I like T-Will, and I wouldn't mind having him, but after hearning that The Don is interested, well, my stomach's turning. Then again, even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

And Slam, as far as your Low BBIQ thing, part of the knock on T-Will is taking bad shots, and that's what your definition is. So I don't see how you can dispute that, unless the scouts are all wrong?

[Ghost Kat]

I've play'd basketball with Eric Maynor and his family. Their from Raeford, My home town. He'll be a steal for whoever picks him up.

As far as T-Will how can you be a walking triple double but have a low BBIQ? It's takes alot of skill and smarts to get a NBA triple double. If the scouts can say he's a triple double magnet then why turn around in the next line and say he's not a smart basketball player. Okafor isn't the smartest NBA player but he's in the Top 10-15 every year for centers

[teej]

I've play'd basketball with Eric Maynor and his family. Their from Raeford, My home town. He'll be a steal for whoever picks him up.

As far as T-Will how can you be a walking triple double but have a low BBIQ? It's takes alot of skill and smarts to get a NBA triple double. If the scouts can say he's a triple double magnet then why turn around in the next line and say he's not a smart basketball player. Okafor isn't the smartest NBA player but he's in the Top 10-15 every year for centers

Okafor's actually very smart, he's too smart in that he conserves himself to be consistent over the long haul and doesn't do anything special.

I think he was on the Dean's List his whole time at Uconn, which is a pretty darn good school. He graduated with Honors and a 3.8 GPA.

[SWedd523]

Okafor's actually very smart, he's too smart in that he conserves himself to be consistent over the long haul and doesn't do anything special.

I think he was on the Dean's List his whole time at Uconn, which is a pretty darn good school. He graduated with Honors and a 3.8 GPA.

yeah Okafor's problem is being TOO smart. As for UCONN's scores, I think they have one of the lowest scores in the country for D1 schools.

[teej]

yeah Okafor's problem is being TOO smart. As for UCONN's scores, I think they have one of the lowest scores in the country for D1 schools.

I was referring to the school, not the team

and it's rated among the top 25 public universities in the US every year, and the best such in New England

[SWedd523]

I was referring to the school, not the team

and it's rated among the top 25 public universities in the US every year, and the best such in New England

I'm talking about student athletes, since that's what Mek was...

[teej]

I'm talking about student athletes, since that's what Mek was...

Then that just makes him even rarer...

[Slam]

And Slam, as far as your Low BBIQ thing, part of the knock on T-Will is taking bad shots, and that's what your definition is. So I don't see how you can dispute that, unless the scouts are all wrong?
10.6 shots a game connecting on 43.1% of them from the floor.
4.0 three point attempts per game connecting on 38.5% of them.

What there tells you they are bad?

My point (like is always has been) is that it's not like he is a volume shooter or only relies on his scoring to be productive or kills the offensive flow of his team.

If he was taking 18 shots a game and connecting on only 40% of them from the floor and 5 threes a game connecting on only 30% of them when there was still 20 seconds left on the shot clock you might have a point. Other than that................it's just you jacking your post count up more.

[Slam]

P.S. Ohara might need to elaborate (I don't have insider) but I think that Ford is now saying that:

"TWill's stock being all over the place from 7-22. Apparently GS is giving him a good look at 7 and NJ might take him at 11. The farthest he is going to fall is 22 to Dallas according to his info."

(thanks to ccbballin at RGM)

[ohara831]

You know Slam, every time I get to the point of thinking "no, I dont want T-Will with our #12 pick", you post something that brings me back to the fold and saying "I can live with him in a Bobcat uniform." Are you his agent or something? LOL. If so, you're gonna make some big bucks soon!

[ohara831]

P.S. Ohara might need to elaborate (I don't have insider) but I think that Ford is now saying that:

"TWill's stock being all over the place from 7-22. Apparently GS is giving him a good look at 7 and NJ might take him at 11. The farthest he is going to fall is 22 to Dallas according to his info."

(thanks to ccbballin at RGM)

Yep, that's what he is saying. He cannot get a real good grip on where T-Will is going to be drafted. But interesting that he didn't mention #12.

[Slam]

You know Slam, every time I get to the point of thinking "no, I dont want T-Will with our #12 pick", you post something that brings me back to the fold and saying "I can live with him in a Bobcat uniform." Are you his agent or something? LOL. If so, you're gonna make some big bucks soon!
Nahhhh man, I'm just like you. I want the best for the team - and I especially want to maximize on the investments that we have already made (Crash, Boris, EO50 and soon to be Felts).

End of the day, I'm pretty confident we'll have our choice at #12 between T-Will and Hendo - and I am very ok with that (at #12).

I mean, I would pee myself if we some how landed Harden and really wanted Evan Turner, but end of the day, I don't think we will go wrong with one guy who reminds me of a homeless mans Flash and another guy who reminds me of a homeless mans LeBron (setting my sights wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too high BTW!!).

T-Will would be a great pick for us though.

[Slam]

Yep, that's what he is saying. He cannot get a real good grip on where T-Will is going to be drafted. But interesting that he didn't mention #12.
The biggest surprise there for me is that Ford wrote that considering the absolute hate he has had for T-Will all year.

Looks like he finally has no choice but to start showing him some love.

BTW - I don't like T-Will for the GSW's. Not with Jax already there and locked up. (one cancels out the other IMO)

[ziggy]

Slam,

Are you concerned with T-Will's FG% last season (around 43%). Most of the time in a player's rookie year that FG% drops a few points down from their final college season.
In my opinion if you pair him with DJ its not too bad, BUT if you pair him with Ray... that could potentially be some painful shooting from the perimeter. :g:

[teej]

Slam,

Are you concerned with T-Will's FG% last season (around 43%). Most of the time in a player's rookie year that FG% drops a few points down from their final college season.
In my opinion if you pair him with DJ its not too bad, BUT if you pair him with Ray... that could potentially be some painful shooting from the perimeter. :g:

He'd be playing with DJ, so that's not a concern, as long as he's not hogging the ball. Which i don't see him doing.

What I did notice on Draftexpress was his eFG%, or effective Field Goal percentage. He had .5, the only player we're looking at who was worse was Hendo, at .49. (There were a lot of post players around .66, .65, but Ty Lawson was .61). In True Shooting percentage, a similar stat, he was .52, and no one in our range was worse, Hendo was .54, and many were above .6

Also, I'm not quite sure how to read them, but his effiency stats aren't great and he took a higher percentage of his team's shots than he made points, and he wasn't great at getting to the FT line.

[Slam]

Slam,

Are you concerned with T-Will's FG% last season (around 43%). Most of the time in a player's rookie year that FG% drops a few points down from their final college season.
In my opinion if you pair him with DJ its not too bad, BUT if you pair him with Ray... that could potentially be some painful shooting from the perimeter. :g:
Not so much Zig. His fg% has improved every year. For me, Pitino said it best at the end of last season when he said something like:

"When I started with T, he was an average shooter. A year later he was a good shooter. Now, after 4 years, he's a great shooter. Wait until he hits the NBA and he becomes an awesome shooter. When that happens, the NBA better watch out."

He has a really nice release point, a compact shot, great lift and good consistency. I think his shot will get better and better. I'd be MUCH more worried about Tyreke Evans busted arse shot (and I like Evans!!).

T-Wills FT shooting though, that's another matter................but Crash and Swish have given me faith there!!

[SWedd523]

Then that just makes him even rarer...

That's why I'm agreeing with you?

[Slam]

That's why I'm agreeing with you?
If the choice was yours (Mr GM) and you had T and Evans to select from, who do you draft (for the Bobcats)?

[BRNC]

I'd take T-Will for his "D"...and I think his shot can (and probably will) get better with good coaching...my 2 cents...

[SWedd523]

If the choice was yours (Mr GM) and you had T and Evans to select from, who do you draft (for the Bobcats)?

TWill.

Evans has to have the ball in his hands to be successful. Williams doesn't.
Evans has one of the goofiest, ugliest jumpers I've ever seen. Williams doesn't.

I want the guy who can succeed while still playing a team first system. Especially with the team we currently have.

(also a reason why I like Harden and Henderson, except those two have a higher offensive potential)

[Dead_Real]

T-Will & Evans aren't that far off it's just a matter of what you want from your SG D or scoring. When you look at their games both have legit NBA SG size, suspect jumpers, both good passers able to run the point, slashers but Evans has the advantage due to having a fantastic handle.

I understand the teamball argument but you can't pass on a guy like Evans like I've said before we have T-Will type players we don't/never had a Evans type who could turn into a star with his scoring/Kobe "puts team on my back" attitude.

[ohara831]

I'd take Evans over T-Will. I have not seen one single mock with T-Will ahead of Tyreke Evans. Maybe many people could be wrong, but I cant believe everyone would be wrong. Even if Tyreke is more PG than SG, you take the talent. I trust LB to do what is right and either get the right players on the court at the same time, or utilize the talent for a trade to get us something we lack. But you have to take Evens over T-Will if they are both on the board.

[SWedd523]

I never said Williams was better. The question was for our team, right now. Williams was one of the best players in what was billed as the toughest conference in College Basketball history while Evans was in the severely lackluster C-USA. I would venture a guess that Williams would be more ready for NBA level competition.

Our team revolves around just that, TEAM. Evans cannot play team ball because all he knows is scoring. He's going to be in for a rude awakening when people sag on him and make him shoot that ugly ass shot. (If you think Williams' is bad then you haven't seen Evans')

Something that turned me completely OFF on Evans, and Slam can attest to this, is that for every good play he made, he'd turn around d and throw the ball away or make some other bonehead move.

For our team, right now, if it came down to these two.. I'd take Williams. (and so would LB)

[teej]

That's why I'm agreeing with you?

My b, I misread what you said.

As for who I'd take, I'm going Williams. For all of my questions on T-Will, Evans is worse in those categories. I don't see how he helps us any more than T-Will, and our goal is to win now. But we'd be the laughingstock once again...

[Dead_Real]

I just think Ty Evans could finally be that number 1 option that could get us over the hump.

[ohara831]

I just think Ty Evans could finally be that number 1 option that could get us over the hump.

Evans stands a better chance of being that guy than T-Will. T-Will will certainly be a solid pro I believe, but Evans is the one who has the potential to be a "star" in the NBA. And Charlotte could use a "star". But I openly admit that the potential for the bust factor would be higher for Evans, if for nothing more than he is projected that much higher than T-Will.

[spectre]

I never said Williams was better. The question was for our team, right now. Williams was one of the best players in what was billed as the toughest conference in College Basketball history while Evans was in the severely lackluster C-USA. I would venture a guess that Williams would be more ready for NBA level competition.

Our team revolves around just that, TEAM. Evans cannot play team ball because all he knows is scoring. He's going to be in for a rude awakening when people sag on him and make him shoot that ugly ass shot. (If you think Williams' is bad then you haven't seen Evans')

Something that turned me completely OFF on Evans, and Slam can attest to this, is that for every good play he made, he'd turn around d and throw the ball away or make some other bonehead move.

For our team, right now, if it came down to these two.. I'd take Williams. (and so would LB)

Swedd gets it...that's how LB thinks and I think it's the right way to think for us.

+1.

[teej]

Swedd gets it...that's how LB thinks and I think it's the right way to think for us.

+1.

But LB won't pick either if he has the choice.

[SWedd523]

number 1 option
Oh, no doubt.

But at the price of what? Losing the team mentality we've built, just so he can score 20-25pts a game? LB would not like that at all.



But LB won't pick either if he has the choice.

Humor me.

[teej]

Humor me.

His whole Steph Curry and Gerald Henderson manlove? Did you watch the draft workout vids?

[SWedd523]

His whole Steph Curry and Gerald Henderson manlove? Did you watch the draft workout vids?
His job is to rave about everyone he works out. I have yet to see a coach work a player out and say he WASN'T skilled.

[teej]

His job is to rave about everyone he works out. I have yet to see a coach work a player out and say he WASN'T skilled.

Yes, but that with the rumors about us trading up to get Steph and his talking about Gerald early on, I just think he'd go their way well before T-Will or Tyreke

[Slam]

Something that turned me completely OFF on Evans, and Slam can attest to this, is that for every good play he made, he'd turn around d and throw the ball away or make some other bonehead move.

Who ever drafts Evans is going to have to endure some VERY frustrating moments with his game play. There is no doubt about that at all.

[spectre]

His whole Steph Curry and Gerald Henderson manlove? Did you watch the draft workout vids?

Remember all that "looking for a C so Mek can play his 'true position'"? How many times did Mek play PF last year?

LB says good things about everyone. The worst thing I can think of was saying Daye was going to take some time. What he says during/after these workouts can't be taking too seriously IMO (unlike Bernie...dude was an open book).

That being said, I think Chad Ford had us nailed on draft night with our thought process. I think JG over at DX had it too (maybe from the same source?) Dunno how they knew, but it played out just like it was said.

[teej]

That being said, I think Chad Ford had us nailed on draft night with our thought process. I think JG over at DX had it too (maybe from the same source?) Dunno how they knew, but it played out just like it was said.

And they both have us taking Henderson at twelve...

DX was the 2nd most accurate last year, behind only SI. I'm trusting them for now. Ford's not bad either.

[spectre]

From what I've read about the guy Henderson seems like a LB type. Curry not so much.

[Slam]

From what I've read about the guy Henderson seems like a LB type. Curry not so much.
I think that LB would love Hendo, dislike Evans and would be hot can and cold with T-Will.

[spectre]

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/06/nj_nets_the_boki_question.html



By the way, if you were to poll everyone around the Nets and asked them who their dream drop would be, it's almost unanimous: Jordan Hill.
But he's not getting to 11.
The guys rising fastest in their eyes? Tyler Hansbrough and Terrence Williams.

[SWedd523]

I think that LB would love Hendo, dislike Evans and would be hot can and cold with T-Will.
He definitely couldn't go wrong with either one. I honestly see him taking Henderson, and I wouldn't have much issue with it.

[Slam]

He definitely couldn't go wrong with either one. I honestly see him taking Henderson, and I wouldn't have much issue with it.
I feel the same way on all three counts.

Heck, I liken Hendo to a homeless mans Flash and T-Will to a homeless mans LBJ. I'd have some sort of nerve to kick up a fuss with either guy becoming a Bobcat come June 25th!

[SWedd523]

I feel the same way on all three counts.

Heck, I liken Hendo to a homeless mans Flash and T-Will to a homeless mans LBJ. I'd have some sort of nerve to kick up a fuss with either guy becoming a Bobcat come June 25th!
I think it basically depends on what sort of player he's looking for. Seeing the "rumors" about LB's infatuation with Curry, I could see him likely taking Hendo for his offensive proficiencies.

Hell, how amazing would it be if Williams fell and we picked him up after trading back into the first. Then use one of our seconds to go after Heytvelt, Adrien, or Taj Gibson with a second

a DJ + Henderson + Williams + Heytvelt + Diop 2nd unit sounds pretty damn good to me

[Dead_Real]

I'm watching the finals an something came to me do you all think Williams or Henderson could be Ariza (TWill) & Courtney Lee (Hendo) types for us off the bench?

[SWedd523]

I'm watching the finals an something came to me do you all think Williams or Henderson could be Ariza (TWill) & Courtney Lee (Hendo) types for us off the bench?
In a perfect world they would be that good... as rookies.

[Dead_Real]

In a perfect world they would be that good... as rookies.
Were talking solid role players though it would be perfect if they panned out like a Bron/Wade.

[SWedd523]

Were talking solid role players though it would be perfect if they panned out like a Bron/Wade.
If they both fulfill their potential, they'll be better than Ariza/Lee, but obviously not as good as LeBron/Wade

[teej]

After watching a lot of T-Will vids today since I wasn't nearly able to compete with you guys, and I'm still not...I think he's got a lot of Kobe in him as well as Bron or whomever. His 3 ball looks better than Bron when it goes in (like Kobe's) and his driblling to the baket is more Kobe-esque than LeBron-esque to me. Now I haven't watched nearly as much tape as you 2 (Swedd and Slam), but that's my view.

But I don't know if he's quite LB material. He takes too many risks...

[Ghost Kat]

Maybe I'm missunderstanding but I doubt anyone in this draft is Labron/Kobe/Wade related. These are all good players, But really Super mega stars? :( To me doubtful. The real question is who fits in better with the core players this team already has. Henderson and Williams both fit, But Williams to me is like having Gerald Wallace start and come off the bench. Henderson seems more a role player in the NBA. A Micheal Finley kinda guy. T. Williams has more big play crowd pleasing days ahead of him then Henderson. We need those big plays for marketing and fan recruitment. This team isn't broke but we still need money.

[BRNC]

I think the first year or two Hendo will do better...but after that T-Will will be the better player...caveat...depends on where they both go and how they are used but that is my best guess now...

[teej]

Maybe I'm missunderstanding but I doubt anyone in this draft is Labron/Kobe/Wade related. These are all good players, But really Super mega stars? :( To me doubtful. The real question is who fits in better with the core players this team already has. Henderson and Williams both fit, But Williams to me is like having Gerald Wallace start and come off the bench. Henderson seems more a role player in the NBA. A Micheal Finley kinda guy. T. Williams has more big play crowd pleasing days ahead of him then Henderson. We need those big plays for marketing and fan recruitment. This team isn't broke but we still need money.

No, we're not saying they'll be like them, I'm just comparing style of game. Slam called him a homeless man's LeBron, and I said his game was more like Kobe than LeBron to me.

As far as fans, a 12th overall pick won't influence them enough to make that the reason to draft T-Will. I want a player because he's the best basketball choice, because winners bring the fans with them, not the other way around.

[Ghost Kat]

because winners bring the fans with them, not the other way around.

I don't know if I agree with that 100% when it comes to the draft. Fans.. Not us.. but lets say the coaching staff would be the fans that bring in whoever this "winner" might be. Big plays are for more then just marketing though. The other teams morale is affected by those types of plays and playmakers. When you have big play makingtypes of players the other team has to prepapre for that person. Wallace right now is the the main "big play" maker if not the only one. I've watched Henderson for a while. He's got game, but i don't see alot of NBA type "big plays' in him.

[spectre]

Today's the big day, right?

June 15th - Alade Aminu PF
June 15th - Chase Budinger SF
June 15th - Damion James SF
June 15th - Chris Johnson C
June 15th - B.J. Mullens C
June 15th - Terrence Williams SG

[Slam]

Today's the big day, right?

June 15th - Alade Aminu PF
June 15th - Chase Budinger SF
June 15th - Damion James SF
June 15th - Chris Johnson C
June 15th - B.J. Mullens C

June 15th - Terrence Williams SGYa. T-Will had dinner with LB last night (I assume the others did too?).James has pulled out of the draft so I doubt he will be there and if Mullens does have a promise I'm surprised he's not just shutting it down (to avoid the risk of injury?)

[polarcat]

i'm excited and nervous about the twill workout today. excited to see and hear what he does with our coaches and hear lb's take on him b/c i want him in charotte. i'm nervous though b/c if he has a great workout and shows he's got the "it" factor, then some team picking before us could swoop in and snag him.

longest
two
weeks
eveerrrrrr

[ELEVATION]

I think that T-WilL would be a good pick also..he is working out with Gary Payton..this can only be a plus, especially on the defensive side GP was a great defender.

[dav7z]

Slam it's time for our guy to do his thing . It will be real instresting to see what Brown thinks.

[spectre]

The day's vid is up, and I have to say I liked EVERYTHING he said.

Everything.


(On how he would fit in with the Bobcats)
I think I would fit in well. He wants defense to dictate offense, and that is the type of program I come from with (Louisville Head Coach Rick Pitino), so I think I would fit in well with that.

"defense dictates offense".

[Keetch]

That vid is nice. Can you picture TWill running the break with Wallace?! Look out below!!!!!!!!!

That's a mean middle. Add Okafor, DJ, Felton and Bell and it feels like a good mix. We just need a big PF with game to truly raise the bar. This team won't be a serious contender until we find that one.

My opines are finally coming together on the draft - that is, who I think has an NBA game and who's a pretender. TWill over Henderson in a minute.

[Dead_Real]

Damn he already has the Payton defensive mentality installed into him

[BRNC]

If the FO decides not to move up for Harden (which I think is a mistake not to) then T-Will should be the pick...be interesting to see if we ever get a draft right though...

[Slam]

I was really hoping Bonnell would have something for us on today's workout, but so far - nada.

Maybe he wasn't there? I'm going to have to ask him.

[polarcat]

that video clip on bobcats.com of twill made me even happier about him coming here if we decide on him. it sounds like a great match between he and larry brown as well as the mindset of this team with defensive stalwarts like raja and gforce. i really am nervous about the front office with this draft. it's such an odd draft, combined with the impending sale of the team, close proximity to the playoffs in '08, and personnel decisions with where the bobcats go from here.

[Ghost Kat]

Way more impressive then Henderson...... T. Williams is projected to be in our range, I hope they pull the trigger on this one.

[spectre]

Williams on his Twitter account 13 hours ago and approx. 3 hours after he arrived in New Jersey for their workout after ours.


With my @sdotlambo night night twitter world

Ps
I think I know who I'm gonna play for also
Yessir about 13 hours agohttp://m.twitter.com/TheRealTWill

:rock:

[Slam]

Williams on his Twitter account 13 hours ago and approx. 3 hours after he arrived in New Jersey for their workout after ours.

http://m.twitter.com/TheRealTWill

:rock:

I can't check Twitter at work. What else has he been saying? When I saw he posted he thought he knew where he was playing, I asked him if LB had given him a promise and I haven't been able to see if he has responded.

[spectre]

I can't check Twitter at work. What else has he been saying? When I saw he posted he thought he knew where he was playing, I asked him if LB had given him a promise and I haven't been able to see if he has responded.

I know nothing of twitter, but on that page there's no other entry after the one I put up except for this one about 5 hrs ago:


My Daily Twittascope - http://bit.ly/srNCK about 5 hours agoShould your question be showing up?

It'd have to be us wouldn't it?

[Ghost Kat]

I'm going to take that Twitter comment as great news. I really think he fit's this team better then Henderson. His interview yesterday really impressed me. It was good to see him he say he wants to be a lock down SG.

[Slam]

Good read:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2009/06/most_underrated_player_in_the.html

[BRNC]

Very good read...and I agree...he is the Thompson of this years draft I just hope we're smart enough to draft him!

[ohara831]

Please explain to me as I am missing something. Why cant he be talking about NJ? I mean, they pick at #11, and in Ford's last Mock, he has them taking Hansbrough, but says that it is really down to hansbrough and T-Will. So if this was 3 hours after he landed in NJ, my first thought is he is going to NJ. What am I missing? Because I am really growing attached to him as a potential Bobcat, especially if no one pegged as a Top 7-8 were to somehow drop to us. That would be my only question. But I have decided in my mind that he is better for us than Henderson.

edit: Quote from the 5.0 Mock of Ford on #11 pick for NJ - Tyler Hansbrough

"I know a lot of people were shocked when we put Hansbrough here this week, but sources continue to insist that he and Louisville's Terrence Williams are the front runners now in NJ."

He went on to mention that some others like Blair had issues with knees in some peoples eyes, and the issues with T-Will also. So he had NJ taking Hansbrough as there were no issues health wise or any other way.

[Ghost Kat]

Louisville's Terrence Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19220) is another player who is a potential lottery crasher. The Warriors have been high on Williams all year and will seriously consider him at No. 7. And Williams also seems to have seriously moved into the mix with the Nets at No. 11 and the Bobcats at No. 12. In fact, sources say that Williams has been invited back to Charlotte for a second time. One league source says that he's leapfrogged Duke's Gerald Henderson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19028) on Larry Brown's board.
The final guy to watch is Henderson, who is getting a serious look in New York, Toronto and Charlotte. In each case I think there are players ahead of him on each team's draft boards, but under certain scenarios I think he could go 8 to 12. However, if DeMar DeRozan is on the board at No. 9, I think he's going ahead of Henderson in Toronto. And, if the source on Williams is to be believed, it's possible that Henderson could slide out of the lottery.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/news/story?page=09DraftBuzz

BTW...I'm a little nervous about NJ picking T.Will. But i'm guessing a big name will name and that could be the bait.

[spectre]

Please explain to me as I am missing something. Why cant he be talking about NJ? I mean, they pick at #11, and in Ford's last Mock, he has them taking Hansbrough, but says that it is really down to hansbrough and T-Will. So if this was 3 hours after he landed in NJ, my first thought is he is going to NJ. What am I missing? Because I am really growing attached to him as a potential Bobcat, especially if no one pegged as a Top 7-8 were to somehow drop to us. That would be my only question. But I have decided in my mind that he is better for us than Henderson.

edit: Quote from the 5.0 Mock of Ford on #11 pick for NJ - Tyler Hansbrough

"I know a lot of people were shocked when we put Hansbrough here this week, but sources continue to insist that he and Louisville's Terrence Williams are the front runners now in NJ."

He went on to mention that some others like Blair had issues with knees in some peoples eyes, and the issues with T-Will also. So he had NJ taking Hansbrough as there were no issues health wise or any other way.

Because he'd just arrived and hadn't met with NJ...yet he knew where he was going.

[dnbman]

Because he'd just arrived and hadn't met with NJ...yet he knew where he was going.

I would interpret it that way also.

I'm preparing myself for anything and trying to be positive as well.

[Slam]

Because he'd just arrived and hadn't met with NJ...yet he knew where he was going.
I don't know if LB would have given him a promise on the spot. For all we know the GSW's called his agent telling him they were going to take him at #7, his agent left a message on T-Will's cell while he was working out for us, T-Wills checks his messages after his Charlotte workout and hears that the GSW's are going to take him #7.

Point is, there is way too much ambiguity to assume that we were the ones that indicated we would draft him IMO.

[BRNC]

I'll say this...if he did get a guarantee it might not be a bad thing because...to some degree GSW have indicated their interest elsewhere...He had not worked out for NJ (just arrived)...and AA must have had a guarantee from LB (to show up at the draft last year)...so it would point to a guarantee coming from us...at least that's my read...

[spectre]

Possible, but you also have Chad Ford saying that he's "jumped" Henderson in regards to who we favor.

I'm also basing it in part on what he said in that interview...read just like a script penned by Larry Brown himself.

But of course I don't know and it could very well be GSW.

[BRNC]

spectre I agree...from the stuff I posted yesterday (rep, Thorpe, and even Ford) if I were forced to guess I'd say Henderson...but I keep hearing GSW are going a different direction...I honestly think they've targeted Hill...but at this point (I admit) I''m a little confused...but have serious doubts that GSW have given T-Will a guarantee...just "does not compute"...LOL

addition: Realistically GS is one of the three teams in the top ten I expect to make a trade draft night...everyone left standing there is on the hot seat to produce next year...I would not be surprised at all to see them trade down for an asset...

[spectre]

I read somewhere this morning (up way too early) that GSW's new guy...Riley?...said that they talked to Monta about drafting a PG and he was perfectly fine with it...appeared to be direct quotes. I've also read that GSW has told Hill that if he gets to their pick he won't fall any farther.

Who the hell knows? A lot of crap is getting thrown out there. The timing on TWill's "tweet", what he said after our workout and what LB said make me think we'll take him unless something wild happens. But that's just me and I could be totally wrong.

[BRNC]

...from his tweet (the timing) I'd lean more toward him getting a guarantee from LB than anywhere else, but like you , who really knows at this point?

[BRNC]

spectre...don't know if you saw this story...but says T-Will passed Henderson on our list (and been invited back for a second workout)...but it also indicates GS and NJ are looking at T-Will

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59894/20090618/warriors_considering_williams_at_no_7/

[Dead_Real]

Louisville's Terrence Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19220) is another player who is a potential lottery crasher. The Warriors have been high on Williams all year and will seriously consider him at No. 7. And Williams also seems to have seriously moved into the mix with the Nets at No. 11 and the Bobcats at No. 12. In fact, sources say that Williams has been invited back to Charlotte for a second time. One league source says that he's leapfrogged Duke's Gerald Henderson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19028) on Larry Brown's board.
The final guy to watch is Henderson, who is getting a serious look in New York, Toronto and Charlotte. In each case I think there are players ahead of him on each team's draft boards, but under certain scenarios I think he could go 8 to 12. However, if DeMar DeRozan is on the board at No. 9, I think he's going ahead of Henderson in Toronto. And, if the source on Williams is to be believed, it's possible that Henderson could slide out of the lottery.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/news/story?page=09DraftBuzz

BTW...I'm a little nervous about NJ picking T.Will. But i'm guessing a big name will name and that could be the bait.
I hope we give him a promise if he's there when we are on the clock.

[BRNC]

GS is in such a state of confusion I doubt anyone in their organization has a clue which direction they will go...NJ certainly has a better chance to get a player falling down the boards than we do...I have doubts about either of those teams taking T-Will but who knows...and frankly our FO and LB may have decided on Henderson and this is all a smoke screen...

IMO unless teams start trading (with picks switching teams) everyone (including the "experts") are really just guessing after Griffin...too many teams at the top appear to be undecided and it is going to be one of those "if this happens" draft scenarios...not a clear domino falling draft...

[spectre]

The Knicks Blog (http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/06/19/big-east-coach-williams-is-the-steal-of-the-draft)



Just had a conversation with a Big East assistant coach and we went over all the prospects in the draft and he saidwithout question, Louisville’s Terence Williams is the sleeper prospect of the conference.

“Williams is a handful,” the coach said.” I hear people say he can’t shoot, but he can score and guard multiple positions and he’s a really underrated passer.”
And what followed was a great point and one that teams picking in the mid first round, should take notice of.

“He’s kind of like (Trevor) Ariza in a lot of ways as in he can slash and do a lot of things. He’s not as tall but he’s pretty long at the guard position. He’s got great energy. He’s a steal.”

Also, I think Slam's been holding out...



@TheRealTWill (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill) damn t-will it seems like everybody wants you on their squad..... hopefully the info you know is coming from charlotte.about 8 hours ago (http://twitter.com/Luhrsmania/status/2247834103) from web in reply to TheRealTWill (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill/status/2247109547)

@Luhrsmania (http://twitter.com/Luhrsmania) hahahhahahhahahah good guessabout 7 hours ago (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill/status/2248073124) from Tweetie (http://www.atebits.com/) in reply to Luhrsmania (http://twitter.com/Luhrsmania/status/2247834103)

@TheRealTWill (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill) THE INFO IS COMING FROM CHARLOTTE?!?!?! OMG - THAT'S FREAKING AWESOME!!about 7 hours ago (http://twitter.com/Slambobcat/status/2248185291) from web in reply to TheRealTWill (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill/status/2248073124)

@Slambobcat (http://twitter.com/Slambobcat) Why you say thatabout 7 hours ago (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill/status/2248213618) from Tweetie (http://www.atebits.com/) in reply to Slambobcat (http://twitter.com/Slambobcat/status/2248185291)

@TheRealTWill (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill) Luhrsmania said "hopefully the info u know is coming from charlotte" and u said "good guess". I hope that mens CHA is the one?about 7 hours ago (http://twitter.com/Slambobcat/status/2248239655) from web in reply to TheRealTWill (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill/status/2248213618)

@Slambobcat (http://twitter.com/Slambobcat) hahahhahahhahahhahahahhahaha shhhhhhhhhhhabout 7 hours ago (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill/status/2248257484) from Tweetie (http://www.atebits.com/) in reply to Slambobcat (http://twitter.com/Slambobcat/status/2248247504)

[BRNC]

The timing (of the guarantee) would coincide with it coming from us...I just hope he is there when we pick...

[Slam]

Also, I think Slam's been holding out...
Lets just hope the world of Twitter tells no lies!

[spectre]

Yup. We need the depth badly and pairing him with DJ in the 2nd unit sounds like a good fit. Williams - facilitator, strong defender, passive scorer / DJ - more cautious facilitator, average defender, strong scorer.

Now we need to turn May/Vlad into a better 3/4...sort of like Earrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrllllllll!!...and we'll be in business.

[Slam]

Having the ability to create from three different spots on the floor (point - Feltustin, SG - TWill and PF - Boris) would be sensational. It would encourage an exciting style of play with lots and lots of ball movement - which is more exciting than run and gun IMO.

Nothing better than seeing a team make a really clever extra pass to the open man or swing the ball from one corner to the other in the blink of an eye then find the open man cutting weak side through the paint and hitting him with the pin point pass for the easy basket.

For what T-Will might lack in creating his own offense he more than makes up in creating others - and we all saw what a difference that made when Boris arrived.

[BRNC]

T-Will looked great in his NJ work out...so I guess we have to worry some at this point...

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/archives/2009/06/a_magic_style.html

But they are also seriously considering Hansbrough also...at this point smoke screens and "best guess" abound...

[spectre]

T-Will looked great in his NJ work out...so I guess we have to worry some at this point...

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/archives/2009/06/a_magic_style.html

But they are also seriously considering Hansbrough also...at this point smoke screens and "best guess" abound...

IF they want Williams then they won't trade their pick. From everything coming out it's pretty obvious Charlotte's interested.

[Slam]

IF they want Williams then they won't trade their pick. From everything coming out it's pretty obvious Charlotte's interested.
If that was the case and the Nets did take T-Will at #11, I would hope we would make the obvious phone call to the Bulls and take the Nets place offering them #12 (Johnson or Blair?) for their two picks.

[BRNC]

Slam I agree..'cause then we have the #26 and both seconds to trade back up to go with #16...Pistons would probably jump on that giving us #15 and #16...I would do it!

[BigE102390]

I really hope we get this guy, I see a little Dwayne Wade in him. If he doesn't fall to #12 I think we should trade back and draft Wayne Ellington.

[Slam]

Slam I agree..'cause then we have the #26 and both seonds to trade back up to go with #16...Pistons would probably jump on that giving us #15 and #16...I would do it!
That was totally my train of thought too. Combine the 2nd's and the #26 to see if we could get back in the middle of the 1st.

Then, even better IMO, combine the #15 and #16 and dangle them in front of Sac to get Harden (there will be plenty of PG's at #15 and #16 for them to choose from) and their #23.

Walk away from the draft with Harden and Gibson (for eg).

That would be a heck of a nights work.

[BRNC]

If we somehow get Harden I'm turning off the tube...having a drink...going to bed a happy man...

[Dead_Real]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06202009/sports/nets/nets_may_take_williams_at_11_175172.htm

News about TWill going to the Nets if they don't trade down


Team president Rod Thorn said yesterday "either scenario could happen," referring to staying at 11 or going the 2-for-1 route. But if the Nets stay at 11, Williams is a strong possibility.

[Fred Williamson]

This hurts :(

[SWedd523]

Well it'd definitely be our luck to have him taken right before us :rolleyes:


If Henderson and Williams are gone by 12, who do we take? Eaaaaarrrrrllllllllllllllllll?

[BRNC]

Swedd...if they're both gone someone (expected to go higher) has to drop...who drops?

[SWedd523]

Swedd...if they're both gone someone (expected to go higher) has to drop...who drops?
As per my personal mock, if Henderson and Williams are off the board when we pick, then either Flynn, Jennings, or Holiday

[dnbman]

As per my personal mock, if Henderson and Williams are off the board when we pick, then either Flynn, Jennings, or Holiday

The good news is, if one of those guys drops, I'll bet there will be increased interest by some teams to move up to get one of them.

[SWedd523]

The good news is, if one of those guys drops, I'll bet there will be increased interest by some teams to move up to get one of them.
I'd trade away Flynn or Jennings, but I'd have to keep Holiday....

[BRNC]

I'd add DeRozan to those three Swedd...(Flynn, Jennings, Holiday and DeRozan)...I think if Hendo and T-Will are both off the board then our two drops come from this group...question...Would you take Holiday over Earl?

[SWedd523]

I'd add DeRozan to those three Swedd...(Flynn, Jennings, Holiday and DeRozan)...I think if Hendo and T-Will are both off the board then our two drops come from this group...question...Would you take Holiday over Earl?
I'd take Holiday before I'd take Williams

[BRNC]

I think the only way I do that (since IMO Earl is more NBA ready now and Holiday will not get the playing time) is if I know I'm trading DJ or Ray...

Swedd...I don't know if you read this on the PG T'Wolves work out but it wwas just another "thing" that gave me pause about Holiday...

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-41-116/Minnesota-s-Massive-Point-Guard-Workout.html

[SWedd523]

I don't care. I know he has enough talent and versatility to be a top 5 pick in this draft. No matter how good we say Williams is, he's not a top 5 pick.


Holiday is the perfect combo. In my mind, he'd be our backup SG and would play with DJ because they both can shoot and handle the ball and Holiday is big enough to guard most SG's.

Then, if we really need him, he could big that big PG Larry Brown has always been wanting. He has a very good handle and is quick enough to run the Point.


I also think bringing him in would may Ray expendable to possibly trade somewhere for a scoring 2 like Crawford, who has a good history with LB and can also handle the ball and score without having to be a dominant guard. GS is clearly looking for a PG and they've expressed interest in Ray before.


Augustin/Holiday/Crawford/Jefferson
Raja/Crawford/Holiday


Wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit

[Slam]

As per my personal mock, if Henderson and Williams are off the board when we pick, then either Flynn, Jennings, or Holiday
Gawd no!

If both TWill and Hendo are gone by #12 that means that either Tyreke or DeRozan are a virtual lock to be there when we pick.

That would be the way I would go - or I'd look to trade out.

[SWedd523]

Gawd no!

If both TWill and Hendo are gone by #12 that means that either Tyreke or DeRozan are a virtual lock to be there when we pick.

That would be the way I would go - or I'd look to trade out.
You'd seriously take DeRozan?

[BRNC]

I'd probably feel better about him if he could shoot better...I'm fine with his "D" and I can see he is a raw talent...but I'd be hard pressed putting him in the top five this year...again...if we plan to make a trade of Ray or DJ I'd probably be OK at #12...and I am the one with the biggest concerns about Earl and his work ethic/desire...:biggrin:

[Slam]

You'd seriously take DeRozan?
I'd take him at #12 if every other SG was already taken - and I would 100% take him over Holiday, who showed he struggled really, really badly playing off the ball at UCLA.

[SWedd523]

I'd take him at #12 if every other SG was already taken - and I would 100% take him over Holiday, who showed he struggled really, really badly playing off the ball at UCLA.
They both struggled. DeRozan struggled in his natural position and Holiday struggled after Collison decided to return to UCLA and moved Holiday over (which he wasn't ready for).

They both play solid D, both are good scorers, both struggled, but Holiday has a better handle and a much better shot.

[BRNC]

I'd really take a pass on DeRozan...he has convinced me less than Holiday...he is about as unproven an SG as you can get...I think he's coachable and a good kid but I'm really not sold on him...

[Slam]

I'd really take a pass on DeRozan...he has convinced me less than Holiday...he is about as unproven an SG as you can get...I think he's coachable and a good kid but I'm really not sold on him...
I don't see DeRozan as a SG. I see him as a SF.

In saying that, I only see Holiday as a PG - and I think we are solid at the point.

[TheBeagle]

I'd take Holiday before I'd take Williams
:cheers1: You and me both, Swedd! That said, since this is Williams' board, he'd be a great add, but if I'm given the option of Jrue vs. anbody besides Griffin in this draft...it's Jrue!

Crap, not I'm starting to get excited about the prospects of landing my boy now....

[SWedd523]

:cheers1: You and me both, Swedd! That said, since this is Williams' board, he'd be a great add, but if I'm given the option of Jrue vs. anbody besides Griffin in this draft...it's Jrue!

Crap, not I'm starting to get excited about the prospects of landing my boy now....
I wouldn't go THAT far....

Blake
Harden
Rubio
Thabeet (by default)
Hill
Evans/Holiday

[SWedd523]

I don't see DeRozan as a SG. I see him as a SF.

In saying that, I only see Holiday as a PG - and I think we are solid at the point.
SF? If that's the case then I'd definitely take Clark, even if DeRozan was available.


DeRozan made 6 (six!) three pointers all last year. Hansbrough made more than that as a PF/C and made less attempts. :hypo:

[BRNC]

Swedd...I forgot to tell you this afternoon on the NBA Predraft show (they went through each division/team) Ryan Blake and Mike Fratello doing the work...they thought (or at least Blake did) that Holiday would be our pick...still...it makes me wonder why he is falling down boards or did the "mockers" have him too high to begin with...?

[dnbman]

Swedd...I forgot to tell you this afternoon on the NBA Predraft show (they went through each division/team) Ryan Blake and Mike Fratello doing the work...they thought (or at least Blake did) that Holiday would be our pick...still...it makes me wonder why he is falling down boards or did the "mockers" have him too high to begin with...?

He's been all over the place on mocks. I've seen him as far down as the early 20s. A few people questioned such a low pick in the comments section, but the site writer defended it by saying we didn't really see much of him this year.

Think of this way: at the time of pre-draft workouts, DeAndre Jordan was a top ten pick. Two weeks later he's a second rounder. You never know what can happen.

Actually, the more I think about it, DeAndre Jordan seems like an almost identical story to Holiday's. And, of course, DeAndre looked pretty good last year.

[SWedd523]

Actually, the more I think about it, DeAndre Jordan seems like an almost identical story to Holiday's. And, of course, DeAndre looked pretty good last year.

Not in the least. DeAndre was Very skilled, yes. But his major knock was being extremely uncoachable after having troubles with his coach at A&M. He was billed as a super freakish athlete but had bust written all over him--so he fell to the Clippers.

All he did was get 8 rebounds and 6 blocks in his first start. He then put up 23 points on the NBA Champion Lakers. Then got 20 rebounds in his 4th game. All for the dysfunctional Clippers.


Holiday is billed as being a less athletic, more cerebral Russell Westbrook. I don't know about you, but I'd be okay with that. His problem is not producing that much in college and being "stuck" between two positons. But I think he struggled because Howland promised him the starting PG position but was given the SG spot when Collison came back.

So he had a bad workout... So? It happens. He's going to be fine if given the chance to play in the right system--Charlotte is one of those systems.

[BRNC]

Jordon is actually a good example of "if you're going to make a mistake...make it big"...with all things being reasonably equal... both Holiday and Earl can play two positions...they arguably are very good talents...I will take the big (especially in this case) because that is where the team has the greatest need...a guy that can play the 3-4....

DX has completed their in-depth look at the top 20 SGs fot the draft...it is an excellent read and reminded me of all the things T-Will would bring to our team...he would be a tremendous asset playing wwith DJ...but worth the time reading guys...

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Just-By-the-Numbers-This-Years-Shooting-Guard-Crop-3264/

[ohara831]

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/Lvilles_Williams_attracted_to_Nets.html

Well, I guess all that tweeting was about NJ and not Charlotte.

[SWedd523]

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/Lvilles_Williams_attracted_to_Nets.html

Well, I guess all that tweeting was about NJ and not Charlotte.
Well, Harris, Williams, Vince, Brook..... very solid team

[dnbman]

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/Lvilles_Williams_attracted_to_Nets.html

Well, I guess all that tweeting was about NJ and not Charlotte.

http://www.flickstongue.com/Movie/Pics/fudge.jpg

Fuuudddggeeeee.

[BRNC]

We can always hope they won't be able to resist trading down with the Bulls...

[Dead_Real]

SMH at T-Will not getting a Green Room Invite to the draft.

samething for Lawson, Earl Clark and DeJuan Blair.

[spectre]

Up ready for the gym Hopefully by the end of the day I'm a bobcat Well see what happens but I'm most def Readyabout 2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill/status/2277830931) from Tweetie (http://www.atebits.com/)

One thing about Williams...every team he's worked out with (at least us, GSW & NJN) he makes it seem like they're the only one.

Dude must get loads of tail.

[Dead_Real]

^Hoping for a promise being made

I heard on the news Dionte Christmas is also in Charlotte today.

[BRNC]

It would be nice if he is but I have not seen that on any of the work-out schedules...Hoopshype has us bringing back Hendo and T-Will but Christmas not scheduled...but they also don't show him scheduled anywhere else so he might have been a late call...

http://hoopshype.com/workouts.htm

[Dead_Real]

It would be nice if he is but I have not seen that on any of the work-out schedules...Hoopshype has us bringing back Hendo and T-Will but Christmas not scheduled...but they also don't show him scheduled anywhere else so he might have been a late call...

http://hoopshype.com/workouts.htm
F*ck News 14 :mad:

[LB4President]

Like everybody else I love this guy's athletic ability, size, and potential as a defensive stopper. But can he function in the halfcourt. So far I am leaning toward Henderson solely because he is a player who can create not only his own shot but shots for others. I think Henderson could develop into our late game guy after a couple of years. I have watched alot of Henderson and admit to never really seeing too much of Williams but everything I read about him and the fact that all his highlights are fastbreak dunks point to this. Doesn't that seem like a major flaw for a player to have especially when Larry Brown claims the ball "sticks" in our offense. I like Gerald Henderson for now.

[BRNC]

Well T-Will had more assist (5.7 if I remember) and the best ast/to ratio of the top 20 SGs (that included Hendo) in this years draft...so I'm not clear on how you can think he can't get shots for others?

[ohara831]

Ford's new mock this afternoon:
#12 - T-Will

[Dead_Real]

I can't wait to hear how this turned out


The Bobcats are trying to arrange a matchup between Henderson and Williams. Henderson has been the favorites there for weeks but it appears Williams has edged into the mix.
per Chad Ford

[ohara831]

NOt invited to the Green Room. Damn.

[ohara831]

Now he is invited to the Green Room. I wonder if MJ whispered something to David Stern?

[ohara831]

Listening to ESPN Radio. Doug Gottlieb talking with Andy Katz. Gottlieb said if Bobcats promise T-Will at #12, it was a huge mistake. MJ knows nothing and this was like another Kwame Brown. Damn, think the guy has a hangup about MJ.

[Chef]

gottlieb is the definition of an annoying broadcaster with an enormous inferiority-complex who really does not know what he is talking about so he compensates by being hyper-critical, negative and overly loud in a vain attempt to seem important and gain attention.

[SWedd523]

gottlieb is the definition of an annoying broadcaster with an enormous inferiority-complex who really does not know what he is talking about so he compensates by being hyper-critical, negative and overly loud in a vain attempt to seem important and gain attention.
Wow +rep



(10char)

[BRNC]

I know Bilas has T-Will #10 or #11 on his board but this kinda crap does not help us get him...

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60006/20090623/bilas_take_williams_over_henderson/
(http://hoopshype.com/workouts.htm)

[Ghost Kat]

Draft T. Will

:chairshot:

[dnbman]

I know Bilas has T-Will #10 or #11 on his board but this kinda crap does not help us get him...

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60006/20090623/bilas_take_williams_over_henderson/
(http://hoopshype.com/workouts.htm)

If Williams and Henderson make it to us and we trade the pick to the Bulls, do you think Williams makes it to us at 16? (Indiana, Phoenix, and Detroit)

I can see us taking Henderson, seeing if Williams makes it to Chicago and then pulling a trade.

[BRNC]

Ind and Detroit I think we're safe...the Suns would scare me though...I know they need a back up PG but...

[BRNC]

DX just updated their mock...they have us taking T-Will...finally...

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/

[TheBeagle]

The TWill love has increased for me over the last two days, what with the "hopefully I'll be a Bobcat," after his workout Monday, and today's snubbing of the Nets 2nd workout offer.

Even though he has no control over the matter, it's just really cool for a guy to actually WANT to play for us to the point he cancels a workout with another team drafting in front of us! From the looks of things Hansbrough is going to do his best to help us out in our endeavour to get TWill here.

Like TWill, I just hope it comes to pass.

[BRNC]

Beagle...I agree...it is totally refreshing to have a good player say that they want to get drafted by us...play for us...and back it up with a snub to a higher drafting team...if we do get him there is no way I'm not renewing my tics...

[SirBobcat]

I just want this guy on the Bobcats, period.

I mean, it's the best of both worlds if we could pick Henderson, then Williams gets picked at 16 and we can swing a deal with Henderson for Williams and 26th, but if the risk is there for him not to be there for that, then just pick the dude and call it a great night.

[ohara831]

Ford now says NJ will take T-Will and we will take Henderson.

[Ghost Kat]

Beagle...I agree...it is totally refreshing to have a good player say that they want to get drafted by us...play for us...and back it up with a snub to a higher drafting team...if we do get him there is no way I'm not renewing my tics...

Thats only because we have Jordan as our mascot basically

[ohara831]

Ford now says NJ will take T-Will and we will take Henderson.


And this afternoon it is back to T-Will. Unbelievable. This thing changes by the hour.

[BRNC]

I think by the nano-second...it just convinces me more and more that it is going to come down to if team A takes player B etc...this is going to be a nail biter...

[ohara831]

And on Ford's chat today, thinks T-Will goes #11 to NJ, but says Bobcats did promise him at #12.

[Slam]

And on Ford's chat today, thinks T-Will goes #11 to NJ, but says Bobcats did promise him at #12.

Ford is a knob.

[jpf_v2.0]

Ford is a knob.

LOL

+1 for bluntness.

[BRNC]

He is guessing just like everyone else...and he is a knob...

[SWedd523]

Dick Vitale is on ESPN right now and is saying he's going to be majorly surprised if HANSBROUGH slips past New Jersey at #11 and says Wayne Ellington is one of the biggest sleepers in this draft. (Yes, I know he's an ACC homer)


Discuss:g:

[ohara831]

Listened to Mike Tirico on ESPN Radio with Ryan Russillo. They were slamming the Cats like Doug Gottlieb earlier for making T-Will a promise at #12 when no one else was thinking of taking him that high. But dont those idiots listen to their own Draft Guru in Chad Ford. He's talking about NJ taking T-Will at #11. Those 2 jackasses need to have their faces punched to knock some sense into them!

[BRNC]

Talk to one another...please...they're all too busy showing everyone how smart(asses) they are...

[jpf_v2.0]

Dick Vitale is on ESPN right now and is saying he's going to be majorly surprised if HANSBROUGH slips past New Jersey at #11 and says Wayne Ellington is one of the biggest sleepers in this draft. (Yes, I know he's an ACC homer)


Discuss:g:

Damn. I'm always a minute late getting here to post this stuff. :hypo:

[Slam]

Listened to Mike Tirico on ESPN Radio with Ryan Russillo. They were slamming the Cats like Doug Gottlieb earlier for making T-Will a promise at #12 when no one else was thinking of taking him that high. But dont those idiots listen to their own Draft Guru in Chad Ford. He's talking about NJ taking T-Will at #11. Those 2 jackasses need to have their faces punched to knock some sense into them!

The GSW's were said to be high on him.The Raps were said to be high on him.The Nets were said to be high on him.The Bobcats were said to be high on him.
Knobs.

[Dead_Real]

Listened to Mike Tirico on ESPN Radio with Ryan Russillo. They were slamming the Cats like Doug Gottlieb earlier for making T-Will a promise at #12 when no one else was thinking of taking him that high. But dont those idiots listen to their own Draft Guru in Chad Ford. He's talking about NJ taking T-Will at #11. Those 2 jackasses need to have their faces punched to knock some sense into them!

meh the same experts that will praise stupidity & look back to have to eat crow it happens every year.

[SWedd523]

Knobs.
http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://architective.co.uk/images/wood%2520door%2520knob.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHj6zBYS8TrQbrW-sUojGuq9y22nQ

[ohara831]

This evenings new mock: T-Will to NJ and Henderson to Bobcats. Ford says NJ has basically honed in on T-Will as their guy. Oh well.

[BRNC]

We can't do anything about NJ...but as far as what Ford has to say...no one knows how this draft will go and if a player drops that NJ wants they'll draft them...if we don't get T-Will...but read this link...

I'm really impressed with T-Will class...nice things to say and just made me feel that he really is the guy I want on our team...

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60042/20090624/appearance_by_mj_impressed_williams/

[Ghost Kat]

This evenings new mock: T-Will to NJ and Henderson to Bobcats. Ford says NJ has basically honed in on T-Will as their guy. Oh well.

I hate reading stuff like this... but we'll see tomorrow

[Slam]

If he is off the board before we draft, so be it. Can't control that.

We can only control taking him if he is there at #12.

I'd be more than fine with Hendo at #12 any ways. It's a win/win for me.

[BRNC]

Wwell...DX reworked their board a couple of hours ago and they have NJ taking James Johnson and we're still taking T-Will...so either DX is wrong or Ford is wrong...

[Slam]

Wwell...DX reworked their board a couple of hours ago and they have NJ taking James Johnson and we're still taking T-Will...so either DX is wrong or Ford is wrong...
IMO JJ to the Nets, TWill to us and Hendo to the Bulls are all better fits for the respective teams than what ever filth Ford is spewing.

[BRNC]

It certainly makes more sense...and frankly...I've always had more confidence in DX than I've ever had in Ford...I'd be worried if they had T-Will going to NJ...

[teej]

IMO JJ to the Nets, TWill to us and Hendo to the Bulls are all better fits for the respective teams than what ever filth Ford is spewing.

That's why Ford works for BSPN and why DX was the most accurate last year.

[Keetch]

...interesting that we had James Johnson and Derrick Brown back for 2nd workouts today (Wednesday).

This is what I think:

the Cats have soured on Gerald Henderson and will take Terrence Williams if NJ takes James Johnson. If NJ takes TWill; we take Johnson.

If we get TWill; then we package our 2 2nd rounders to move up and take Derrick Brown.

Just speculating.

It also seems that either the Knicks or Timberwolves will find a way to move up to the 2nd pick and grab Rubio. That drops Thabeet to OKC.

[BRNC]

The Brown idea might be possible...the Lakers have made clear they want out of the first...I'm pretty sure they'd take out 2s for it since they do not want a guaranteed contract from the draft...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4285133