ESPN: Carroll and Hollins for Diop [Archive]

winthropbobcat

01-16-2009, 06:00 PM

This would be a fantastic trade for us. Why the nooooo??? Caroll is over paid and the definition of a streaky shooter, Hollins is a spot player at best. Diop gives us another defender down low who can rebound and block shots. Perfect fit for us. I smell playoffs.

winthropbobcat

01-16-2009, 06:02 PM

Awesome trade for us!!

teej

01-16-2009, 06:03 PM

we have too many big men...id be ok with it if it was may and hollins but not caroll

BETCATS

01-16-2009, 06:04 PM

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo

Exactly!

Why?
Why?
WHY!!!

DanielWheeler

01-16-2009, 06:06 PM

YES!!!!!!!

Diop in LB system > Carroll in LB system

Morrison gets play time now!!!!

winthropbobcat

01-16-2009, 06:06 PM

You can never have too many big men. I am telling you, this is a great trade. This opens up alot of room for Morrison to shine now. I really love this trade. LB is doing a great job.

teej

01-16-2009, 06:08 PM

where is lexy gonna get time?

winthropbobcat

01-16-2009, 06:09 PM

He will be the spot player. He will also have another VET on the team to learn from.

teej

01-16-2009, 06:10 PM

ughh..i kno its prolly for the best i just dont like it

biz

01-16-2009, 06:12 PM

Here's what they are saying on the Mavs board:

"Anything for Diop is a good deal. Well anything that isn't fat, slow, underproductive, and arguably the most over-paid player in the league."

"getting rid of Diop's lazy ass is a start in the right direction"

(:o:o:o:o:o:o OHNO. SEAN MAY 2.0.)

"Getting out of that horrendous Diop contract is a fantastic deal, period."

They obviously dislike him, but its difficult to say how much of it is warranted. For example:

"I think this means that instead of unloading Diops contract and also picking up a potential all-star (Felton), the Mavs unloaded the Diop contract in exchange for some loose ends."

Anyone reading this board would think Felton was some scrub that can barely even be a starting PG. Yet this Mavs Fan considers Felton a "potential all-star." Interesting how different perspectives see things.

countryboi

01-16-2009, 06:15 PM

i think its a great trade for us...diop does not have to do shit for us but board and play defense..and we dump carroll's really bad contract..but this trade only makes sense if we are going to trade nazr sometime in the future

BETCATS

01-16-2009, 06:18 PM

well i was shocked that Ryan Hollins is gone.

I will miss him.

A piece of my heart is gone...

HOWEVER this trade will free up time for Morrison/Shannon Brown and even Sean Singeltary (Raymond can get some minutes at 2 guard and Sean can see limited action at Point).

Also Diop did great in the Mav's final run back in '06, and he can block shots. If we could fuse him and Nazr together, we would have a serviceable starter at the Center postion.

Matt Carrol will also be missed by me, i rather have seen Morrison go, but when it comes down to it, its all about his five year (which was needed to get rid of) V. Morrison's 2 year. We made the right choice.

davcbow

01-16-2009, 06:19 PM

I am glad we went this route in a trade because Trading Felton at this point in time would have had our core learning to play all over again...
Diop is experienced and a big, I agree you cant have too many bigs on a team. Matt Carroll wasn't really doing that much with us and Hollins wasn't even dressing out for the games, so I feel this is a big plus for the team at this point in time. I feel our Team's day is coming and it just may be this year...:cool:

dnbman

01-16-2009, 06:23 PM

We have a lot of different looks now to. We can go big with anybody in the league (C Diop/PF Okafor/ SF Diaw or Wallace) now. That should take some defensive pressure off of Okafor too.

I love Matt and think that he was a great ambassador for the team. However, I'd rather have Morrison, especially if gets healthier, than Carroll. So, to me, this was a great on-the-court decision and a mild loss off-the-court.

Hollins had his moments, but I just don't think he's every going to pan out as a regular rotation player, at least, not on a quality team.

This also makes Nazr highly expendable, as we now have Diop and Howard as legit big back-ups, with Ajinca waiting in the wings.

GoBobs

01-16-2009, 06:23 PM

Hollins is my second favorite player on the team. Carroll hasn't played well this year but I think he will raise his play making his contract a good deal before long. Diop could be good for us hopefully LB will demand and get a lot from him.

dnbman

01-16-2009, 06:24 PM

Also, this also means we still have Felton's talent and Nazr's trade value to make another deal work if need be.

I'd love to keep Felton, but I'm glad we could get Diop without sending Felton to Dallas.

TattoodCatswife

01-16-2009, 06:26 PM

WOW! Mixed feelings....I don't want to get rid of Hollins but then again Matt has not been doing too well and this might work out for us in the long run:biggrin:

countryboi

01-16-2009, 06:27 PM

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 06:32 PM

Diop for Carroll and Hollins I'm not happiest about, but at least long contract for long contract. Hollins has bird rights, which I'm not familiar with how that really works, but I think they have to get his permission to trade him.

This does open a roster spot which is awesome, because I think Felton+May = 2-3 good players, and/or we may bring in some D-League or veterans on 10 day contracts with the open spot. I honestly feel us making this move does nothing more than say we are still looking to make some moves...

dnbman

01-16-2009, 06:35 PM

I honestly feel us making this move does nothing more than say we are still looking to make some moves...

Does nothing more? We traded a redundant player (Carroll) for a piece we need (Diop). The trade is pretty solid on its own merit.

davcbow

01-16-2009, 06:35 PM

Yeah I also feel there is more to come....:cool:

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 06:39 PM

Does nothing more? We traded a redundant player (Carroll) for a piece we need (Diop). The trade is pretty solid on its own merit.

I think i miswrote it...we'll suffice it to say that this is doubtful to be our last move based on the move being made.

winthropbobcat

01-16-2009, 06:39 PM

Keep an eye out for Shawn Marion in a bobcats uniform.... :)

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 06:40 PM

Keep an eye out for Shawn Marion in a bobcats uniform.... :)
Well lets just say that'd be great...too bad this was the only way i could get it to work

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~3016~1026~510&teams=14~14~14~30&te=&cash=

WarioVsMooChicken

01-16-2009, 06:40 PM

I'm a huge fan of Hollins and Carrol but this is probably for the best.

Now, lets bring in some D-Leaguers and CBAers.

winthropbobcat

01-16-2009, 06:41 PM

Yes It Would! And your right, we would have to give up some pretty great pieces. But you never know...

bing!

01-16-2009, 06:41 PM

Matt is a solid player with a horrid contract, even though I'll kinda miss him, this trade is what the team needed.

Shrimpy_Jackson

01-16-2009, 06:42 PM

I like the trade a lot! Diop's from Senegal so he's another French speaker! This could also be a positive for us!

countryboi

01-16-2009, 06:44 PM

this deal leaves us open to trade felton or wallace plus nazr before the dealline

teej

01-16-2009, 06:44 PM

Keep an eye out for Shawn Marion in a bobcats uniform.... :)

dont like the idea

Shrimpy_Jackson

01-16-2009, 06:45 PM

this deal leaves us open to trade felton or wallace plus nazr before the dealline

For what? Or who? And Why?

Mustachio

01-16-2009, 06:48 PM

I think this sufficiently sums up how I feel about losing Ryan Hollins.

http://www.hotelchatter.com/files/admin/funny_pictures_sad_cat_blackandwhite.jpg

and now with Matt Carroll gone... who the hell am I gonna cast ridiculous unmerited blame on?

I was definitely feeling the Diaw trade as I really had no emotional connection with Jrich after one season. But damn I feel like I just lost my best friend... ya know, if I had never met my best friend or even been closer than 15 feet from..but you get the point.

I trust Larry and this is probably for the best but I really though Ryan was starting to stand out.

davcbow

01-16-2009, 06:51 PM

I like the trade a lot! Diop's from Senegal so he's another French speaker! This could also be a positive for us!

Viva La France....:cool:

countryboi

01-16-2009, 06:52 PM

For what? Or who? And Why?

i wish i knew....i am hoping portland will bite cause blake is out for 2 weeks and they didnt like there backup when he was backing up now that he is the starter....on the other hand now that bayless is playing well they may be ok with waiting to blake gets back

BIGCatBobcat

01-16-2009, 06:53 PM

coordinator0

01-16-2009, 06:53 PM

I was against the trade that was going to bring Watson and Diop in for Felton and Nazr, but I am all for this one! We actually have a big WITH SIZE now, not a few PF/C tweeners (which Hollins is).

Is this official yet?

SWedd523

01-16-2009, 07:02 PM

coordinator0

01-16-2009, 07:06 PM

Well the deal would've worked with Carroll for Diop straight up, so I guess Dallas had to have a minimum player to throw in. I don't really care what Dallas' fans say because the Phoenix fans said Diaw was out of shape and lazy and whatnot, look what he turned into.

Diop does have a bad contract, but it's really not too much worse than Carroll's as it is a year shorter.

With us opening a spot in this trade I really see us putting Raymo and Nazr in a package for something, I don't know what. This is definitely not our last move of the year. We'll see something big happen before the deadline.

ILBIT!

There were a lot of us saying that Diaw had a bad contract too, now look at it. With LB I think we really have to wait and see how a player turns out before we make a judgment on whether or not he deserves his money.

As Swedd said, ILBIT!

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:09 PM

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1244

What happened to the Felton thing? DJ Augustin’s injury slowed it. Felton’s fine play for Charlotte in the last few days ended it.

Interesting if it was that close to being done. Of course Hoopsworld quoted an unnamed Bobcats' source that used the word "raiding" when asked about that trade.

Management wanted Diop this summer and Hammer wasn't working out, so Dallas and the Bobcats swapped mistakes. They probably demanded Twiggy because now they're tight on Cs...and he wasn't getting PT either.

One thing that will be answered to me is how much LB plays Diop & Mek together (the great "is Mek a C or a PF debate") or do we continue to see Boris primarily at the 4. I obviously think LB is a great coach, so it'll be interesting to see how that develops.

Shrimpy_Jackson

01-16-2009, 07:09 PM

I like it. Obviously LB, Jordan and Rod had their eye on diop. I hated Felton for Diop and Watson, absolutely hated it. I don't like losing Hollins. Loved the kid's athleticism, attitude and energy but he wasn't going to be the player we want or need. Hopefully he does well in Dallas, i really hope the best for him. Carroll, I supported and got over the money thing but really he's off. Something's not right with his game. We went from thin at the 2 to really thin at the 2, went from thin at the 4 and 5 litterally with Hollins and Ajinca to big with Diop, Howard, Okafor and Diaw. I like how the roster is shaping up, but I hate to see some of these guys leave town, grew attached, but I know that we're better.

I totally agree with that entire post. I really dug Hollins as well, but he was a little bit of a spazz in a nice way. I think we've all just been hoping his crazy enthusiasm and athleticism will translate into something superior, but realistically it doesn't seem that feasible. Carroll on the other hand I'm really excited about now. I hope he finds himself in the rotation in Dallas and helps them out, needless to say I'll be trying to find some more Mavs games to watch just to see if he can hit his stride. It is hard seeing our hometown heroes go though. ILBIT

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:10 PM

With larry in charge some of the worst players in the NBA are better...

We pulled the trigger, its on the nba tv ticker...

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:11 PM

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/01/16/mavs.bobcats.trade.ap/index.html

Done...

coordinator0

01-16-2009, 07:13 PM

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1244

Interesting if it was that close to being done. Of course Hoopsworld quoted an unnamed Bobcats' source that used the word "raiding" when asked about that trade.

Management wanted Diop this summer and Hammer wasn't working out, so Dallas and the Bobcats swapped mistakes. They probably demanded Twiggy because now they're tight on Cs...and he wasn't getting PT either.

One thing that will be answered to me is how much LB plays Diop & Mek together (the great "is Mek a C or a PF debate") or do we continue to see Boris primarily at the 4. I obviously think LB is a great coach, so it'll be interesting to see how that develops.

Were you reading my mind? I was about to post a new topic discussing this very thing, as I too am VERY interested in seeing how much PT Diop and Okafor get together. Another question would be (assuming that Diop and Okafor do get decent PT together) would be who would play the 3, Wallace or Diaw?. I would think Diaw because of his offense, but who knows how that crazy mind of LB works...

ILBIT!!!

Scottley Crue

01-16-2009, 07:14 PM

Well the deal would've worked with Carroll for Diop straight up, so I guess Dallas had to have a minimum player to throw in. I don't really care what Dallas' fans say because the Phoenix fans said Diaw was out of shape and lazy and whatnot, look what he turned into.

Diop does have a bad contract, but it's really not too much worse than Carroll's as it is a year shorter.

With us opening a spot in this trade I really see us putting Raymo and Nazr in a package for something, I don't know what. This is definitely not our last move of the year. We'll see something big happen before the deadline.

ILBIT!
I agree, this is not our last move on this. Perhaps adding Ryan opened up a spot for what Ray/Nazr would bring in. Who knows? I do know this, I LOVE this trade. We've got a good backup for Okafor who can play along side him if matchups dictate it. It helps with the bench and rebounding, two things that were 1 and 1a on my list of needs for the 'Cats. Now, if Ray/Nazr can bring in impact bench players, we're really on to something.

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:18 PM

I agree, this is not our last move on this. Perhaps adding Ryan opened up a spot for what Ray/Nazr would bring in. Who knows? I do know this, I LOVE this trade. We've got a good backup for Okafor who can play along side him if matchups dictate it. It helps with the bench and rebounding, two things that were 1 and 1a on my list of needs for the 'Cats. Now, if Ray/Nazr can bring in impact bench players, we're really on to something.

Well put.. Who knows what Ray+Nazr gives, and who knows what May's expiring contract brings on 2/18 :)

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:22 PM

Were you reading my mind? I was about to post a new topic discussing this very thing, as I too am VERY interested in seeing how much PT Diop and Okafor get together. Another question would be (assuming that Diop and Okafor do get decent PT together) would be who would play the 3, Wallace or Diaw?. I would think Diaw because of his offense, but who knows how that crazy mind of LB works...

ILBIT!!!

Go for it. I started a whole paragraph about if LB might go more conventional (Diop/Mek/Boris), what that might mean to Crash...move him for a SG? Then I backed it up and thought that might be better by itself.

Mustachio

01-16-2009, 07:23 PM

Go for it. I started a whole paragraph about if LB might go more conventional (Diop/Mek/Boris), what that might mean to Crash...move him for a SG? Then I backed it up and thought that might be better by itself.

I really don't like Diaw as a SF... but if we could get a really quality SG for Crash this trade would make more sense to me.

Scottley Crue

01-16-2009, 07:23 PM

Were you reading my mind? I was about to post a new topic discussing this very thing, as I too am VERY interested in seeing how much PT Diop and Okafor get together. Another question would be (assuming that Diop and Okafor do get decent PT together) would be who would play the 3, Wallace or Diaw?. I would think Diaw because of his offense, but who knows how that crazy mind of LB works...

ILBIT!!!

You know, I've been thinking about the impact Gerald could have coming off the bench, much like Ginobli does for the Spurs. If Nazr's still around, he could backup Diop and have Gerald run roughshot on 2nd units around the league. Hmmmmmm....maybe that's part of where they're going with this?

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:24 PM

I agree, this is not our last move on this. Perhaps adding Ryan opened up a spot for what Ray/Nazr would bring in. Who knows? I do know this, I LOVE this trade. We've got a good backup for Okafor who can play along side him if matchups dictate it. It helps with the bench and rebounding, two things that were 1 and 1a on my list of needs for the 'Cats. Now, if Ray/Nazr can bring in impact bench players, we're really on to something.

See, I'm not so sure. Right now at SG we have Bell & S. Brown...and that's it. LB hasn't been giving SB any burn so you can't expect him to suddenly be getting big minutes. Unless we move for another SG I think he might be slotting Felton for that PT paired with DJ.

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:26 PM

I really don't like Diaw as a SF... but if we could get a really quality SG for Crash this trade would make more sense to me.

Crash for Rip. With LB it makes sense.

But I'm not all that hot about Boris at the 3 either. I think his strength is playing the 4.

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:27 PM

I kinda figure Wallace makes too much to come off the bench...I don't want to trade him tho, so whatever works... I'd expect a SUPERIOR not just great but SUPERIOR 2 for wallace...like the next best 2 from wade or Kobe...i don't follow many other team's 2's so I dunno who that'd be...

Other thing, with DJ being so small at 1, Maybe wallce could play 2 and be an oversized 2 to help out on the Defense.

Slam

01-16-2009, 07:29 PM

Diop does have a bad contract, but it's really not too much worse than Carroll's as it is a year shorter.
It's actually a lot worse when you take into consideration:

In the last year of Hammers deal he'll be making around $3.5 mill
In the last year of Diop's deal he'll be making around $7.5 mill!!

Be interesting to see how it plays out. Can't help but think there is more to come and Nazzy HAS to be on his way out.

Dead_Real

01-16-2009, 07:30 PM

More burn for Shannon & Ammo will make me very happy. It just sucks we finally move the player that should have been dumped over Davidson.

With Howard & now Diop Illmatic's time is up

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:31 PM

It's actually a lot worse when you take into consideration:

In the last year of Hammers deal he'll be making around $3.5 mill
In the last year of Diop's deal he'll be making around $7.5 mill!!

Be interesting to see how it plays out. Can't help but think there is more to come and Nazzy HAS to be on his way out.

Look at it this way...the Bobcats were willing to give him that as our MLE this summer. At least we shed a contract vs. having them both.

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:35 PM

Look at it this way...the Bobcats were willing to give him that as our MLE this summer. At least we shed a contract vs. having them both.

That is a very good point... and what some forget is there is no way I would believe for a moment that we are going to keep Nazr with Diop coming here. So we now must speculate who comes in for Felt+Nazr and what do we do with the blob formally known as May...

SWedd523

01-16-2009, 07:35 PM

It's actually a lot worse when you take into consideration:

In the last year of Hammers deal he'll be making around $3.5 mill
In the last year of Diop's deal he'll be making around $7.5 mill!!

Be interesting to see how it plays out. Can't help but think there is more to come and Nazzy HAS to be on his way out.
Is his really that backloaded? Wow Dallas was stupid... At least it's 7.5 that will come off the books eventually lol

Slam

01-16-2009, 07:35 PM

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:37 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=568~1026~510&teams=14~14~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=568%7E1026%7E510&teams=14%7E14%7E30&te=&cash=)

Any way to do it without losing GW?

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:38 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=510~2753~568~3016&teams=30~14~14~14&te=&cash= thats better.

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:40 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=568~1026~510&teams=14~14~30&te=&cash=

Would they really consider taking on that salary?

I've never cared for Marion and I love Crash...but man you'd have to consider that just because of the money we'd cut.

SWedd523

01-16-2009, 07:41 PM

We're not going to see much of Okafor+Diop guys. Neither one is that swell at creating offense for themselves so I'm looking at Diop being a backup for him considering all the minutes Oak is playing. Diaw will stay at the 4 and Crash at the 3. That makes the most sense to me..

If we play Diop and Okafor together, we need to trade Felts and/or Wallace for a high powered 2. Like Joe Johnson or something.

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:43 PM

This is the best trade i could see happening for Felt/Nazr...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~1994~3204~2015&teams=22~22~30~30~30&te=&cash=

Slam

01-16-2009, 07:43 PM

Would they really consider taking on that salary?

I've never cared for Marion and I love Crash...but man you'd have to consider that just because of the money we'd cut.
Maybe they view the contract of Crash as another "bad mistake"? Maybe they just want a salary dump? I can't see us getting rid of Nazzy's deal at all unless we are taking equal $$$$ back.

How about this? Might be better:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3196~510~568~1026&teams=30~30~14~14&te=&cash=

Gets us a SG to groom?

G-Force for MVP

01-16-2009, 07:43 PM

I do like that they are adding vets to this young squad

Slam

01-16-2009, 07:46 PM

Management wanted Diop this summer and Hammer wasn't working out, so Dallas and the Bobcats swapped mistakes. They probably demanded Twiggy because now they're tight on Cs...and he wasn't getting PT either.
I wish that we had have demanded Gerald Green to come back our way then considering we are hard up for potential quality at the 2 spot!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2211~3008~992~2761&teams=6~6~30~30&te=&cash=

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 07:48 PM

Adding Green would have made this trade a slam dunk for us...now we have to snag a 2 on another trade...

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:48 PM

Felton/DJ/Singletary
Raja/Felton/Brown
Crash/Boris/Ammo
Boris/Mek/Howard
Mek/Diop/Nazr

That's actually pretty balanced as is.

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:49 PM

I wish that we had have demanded Gerald Green to come back our way then considering we are hard up for potential quality at the 2 spot!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2211~3008~992~2761&teams=6~6~30~30&te=&cash=

So do I, but if he's "slow" then I can see LB not wanting him.

spectre

01-16-2009, 07:52 PM

Maybe they view the contract of Crash as another "bad mistake"? Maybe they just want a salary dump? I can't see us getting rid of Nazzy's deal at all unless we are taking equal $$$$ back.

How about this? Might be better:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3196~510~568~1026&teams=30~30~14~14&te=&cash=

Gets us a SG to groom?

Oh nah...I meant why would Miami take on all that salary? I think we'd jump all over it because like you said the FO probably thinks the length of Crash's deal was a mistake (why we constantly hear rumors).

Slam

01-16-2009, 07:56 PM

Oh nah...I meant why would Miami take on all that salary? I think we'd jump all over it because like you said the FO probably thinks the length of Crash's deal was a mistake (why we constantly hear rumors).
Gotcha.

I'm thinking that Crash on a championship contending team where he is the 3rd option is a really good deal - especially when you take into considertion what someone like Matrix (a comparative) is earning.

Chalmers - Wade - Wallace - Beasley - Haslem or Nazzy

is a pretty good line up IMO.

Besides, Flash and Crash.......................how fricken cool does that sound!!

uncballer1288

01-16-2009, 08:09 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2777~3209~3029~1027~2753~2776~ 568&teams=30~30~30~30~25~16~25&te=&cash=16:30 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2777%7E3209%7E3029%7E1027%7E27 53%7E2776%7E568&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E25%7E16%7E25&te=&cash=16:30)

How about this trade now? We would be 3 deep at every position. This would enable the Thunder to move Westbrook to SG like they did the other night, and he played really well. Jeff Green would be a GREAT 6th man, or even start Green and bring Crash off the bench.

Sene is not getting any PT, and is rumored to be let go at the end of the year, but maybe he could come here and learn from Diop (both from Senegal) and be a serviceable 3rd Center for us. We would probably need to add a couple of 2nd round picks though to make this work for both sides.

Here's the potential line-up

PG: DJ, Watson, Singletary
SG: Raja, McCants, Brown
SF: Crash, Jeff Green, Morrison
PF: Diaw, Howard, Ajinca
C: Okafor, Diop, Sene

SWedd523

01-16-2009, 08:12 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2777~3209~3029~1027~2753~2776~ 568&teams=30~30~30~30~25~16~25&te=&cash=16:30 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2777%7E3209%7E3029%7E1027%7E27 53%7E2776%7E568&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E25%7E16%7E25&te=&cash=16:30)

How about this trade now? We would be 3 deep at every position. This would enable the Thunder to move Westbrook to SG like they did the other night, and he played really well. Jeff Green would be a GREAT 6th man, or even start Green and bring Crash off the bench.

Sene is not getting any PT, and is rumored to be let go at the end of the year, but maybe he could come here and learn from Diop (both from Senegal) and be a serviceable 3rd Center for us. We would probably need to add a couple of 2nd round picks though to make this work for both sides.
They won't be trading Green. He's flourishing next to Westbrook and Durant. Those three will be there for awhile

ohara831

01-16-2009, 08:18 PM

I am all for getting rid of the Carroll contract mistake. And Hollins was so-so, but that's it. I will reserve my judgement on Diop until I see how he plays for us. I trust LB, so I am getting a good feeling from this move. Just have to see if there is more to come.

spectre

01-16-2009, 08:19 PM

Forget Green...did you see Sene's PER of 33.75? That's better than LBJ's 32!

Slam...oh hell yeah that'd be cool. I've been wanting that duo on the Bobcats since our 1st year. Suck to have that on a division rival.

spectre

01-16-2009, 08:33 PM

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nba&id=dal&tid=4159304&lid=15

This is kind of interesting. On the ESPN Maverick's board there's a post saying that OKC could possibly have had interest in Hammer.

ammofan

01-16-2009, 08:42 PM

Wow! I am very surprised by this one!

And Adam stays alive in Charlotte! WooHoo!

I bet that we have another trade coming. walace is gonna be gone

tamburello

01-16-2009, 08:43 PM

Diop has a very very bad contract, really worse than Carroll's and he's not a difference maker. But I don't hate this deal at all. Diop might play a role in LB's system. And I like the opened roster spot, we can fill that space or use it in a trade, anyway it gave us some kind of flexibility.

Not great, but definitely not a disastrous trade. A third French speaker also worths noting.

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 08:45 PM

I can see Diaw on 3, Lexy on 4 and Diop on the 5 all speaking french and confusing the hell out of the defense...Just gotta teach DJ and Bell some key words...

RELAXTV

01-16-2009, 09:06 PM

Though I think we really didn't need Diop, the result is way better than the floating around the web earlier. I mean, they were talking about Felton for Diop!!!

Though I hate to see Hammer go, I guess his contract sucked way too much.

Alex

01-16-2009, 09:09 PM

I love this trade for us.

SWedd523

01-16-2009, 09:10 PM

To me, this trade says a lot about us making a move with Nazr's contract. I really see us combining him with May, Felton, or Wallace for some scoring punch.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=568~1026~1007&teams=1~1~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=568%7E1026%7E1007&teams=1%7E1%7E30&te=&cash=)
would be a dream come true as far as I'm concerned.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=568~1026~2381~356&teams=4~4~30~30&te=3207:30-3201&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=568%7E1026%7E2381%7E356&teams=4%7E4%7E30%7E30&te=3207:30-3201&cash=)
also works especially with Chicago wanting to trade those two. Gordon is familiar with Oak and otherwise brings us expirings before 2010.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~568~497~3474~3455~30 39&teams=9~9~9~30~30~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E2776%7E568%7E497%7E3474 %7E3455%7E3039&teams=9%7E9%7E9%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)
would be another dream come true, they're trying to move some of their players and have interest in Raymo. (and Slam would love it;))

Keetch

01-16-2009, 09:13 PM

ohara831

01-16-2009, 09:19 PM

Wow I see Desagana Diop is a Bobcat now. That's a big contract for a guy with his limitations. With a little luck maybe we can unload it on someone.

The Mavs got the best player of the 3; Ryan Hollins. We would have been better off giving Ryan more PT.

But ... as the saying goes ... ILBIT

sigh

I totally agree with the ILBIT! However, all 3 players involved have major limitations on their game to date. But I believe Diop's defense makes him the most valuable of the 3, and he can learn a few post moves with LB's coaching. Keep your faith.

bobcats_express

01-16-2009, 09:19 PM

carrolls gone which is pretty good

and i like the looks of Diop- should be good

ohara831

01-16-2009, 09:20 PM

Swedd: I really do hope there is something in the works to grab us a SG with punch. But if LB thinks he has the players already, so be it. I'll just trust him to do what is best for the team and believe it will work to our benefit.

Keetch

01-16-2009, 09:27 PM

O'hara...yeah we'll see what he can do. I remember a year or two ago thinking that Diop was on the rise and finding a place with the Mavs. Then he dissappeared again. So I don't know. We didn't give up much; but it IS a big contract for the risk. We may come to really dislike that contract.

He's listed at 280 pounds. I hope he can run a little...we already got a guy that doesn't do that in Mohammed; and we gave up a guy who never stopped running (and jumping, and running, and jumping) in Hollins.

Proudiddy

01-16-2009, 09:28 PM

Man, I've been anxiously waiting to see what deal was in the works... And I have to tell you guys...

I LOVE THIS TRADE!!!

I look at it this way for you guys that aren't happy with it: We just got a MAJOR role player with size for a minor role playing guard at a position we were stacked at (jump shooting wing).

I'm a little disappointed that Hollins is going too, but unless he bulks up, at his best he would end up like a poor man's Tyson Chandler. A very poor man. But, I don't see him making a major impact in a game for longer than 10 minutes. I loved his potential but, this is a great deal. Two years ago every one was bragging how Dallas dug up such a gem off of the Cavs roster in Diop... Now they're calling him a waste???

I didn't trust LB's thought in the PHX trade, but I see him working now... This is a great deal. Additionally, Higgins mentioned how this gives us felxibility with a open roster spot too... Something else is coming. I don't know if anyone sees what I see, but I think this trade gives us a little more credibility as we got the better end of the deal in my opinion in size alone, plus the defensive presence. I see this as a prelude to a deal dumping Nazr's contract for soemthing an impact player. I don't know who else is going with him, but it's going to happen. I can't wait. Great deal today though.

Girbana

01-16-2009, 09:34 PM

I'm speechless. Speechless. I'm without speech.

HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN DIOP - with two baskets in a game he will overdo his average. Nice one, Charlotte, let's improve our terrible offense.

This would be a fantastic trade for us. Why the nooooo Caroll is over paid and the definition of a streaky shooter, Hollins is a spot player at best. Diop gives us another defender down low who can rebound and block shots. Perfect fit for us. I smell playoffs.
Ahahahahahhhaahaahahahahhahaha

I am all for getting rid of the Carroll contract mistake. And Hollins was so-so, but that's it. I will reserve my judgement on Diop until I see how he plays for us. I trust LB, so I am getting a good feeling from this move. Just have to see if there is more to come.
See, this is just as bad as the "Carroll contract mistake" move. What's the last good thing the Charlotte front office has done regarding player personnel?? They are shamelessly awful and truly mad.

SWedd523

01-16-2009, 09:39 PM

I'm speechless. Speechless. I'm without speech.

HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN DIOP - with two baskets in a game he will overdo his average. Nice one, Charlotte, let's improve our terrible offense.

Ahahahahahhhaahaahahahahhahaha

See, this is just as bad as the "Carroll contract mistake" move. What's the last good thing the Charlotte front office has done regarding player personnel?? They are shamelessly awful and truly mad.
Well... they just recently brought in Diaw, Bell, and Singletary. Since that point we've already won more games than we did before that point. I'd that that was a pretty good move;)

coordinator0

01-16-2009, 09:43 PM

I'm speechless. Speechless. I'm without speech.

HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN DIOP - with two baskets in a game he will overdo his average. Nice one, Charlotte, let's improve our terrible offense.

Ahahahahahhhaahaahahahahhahaha

See, this is just as bad as the "Carroll contract mistake" move. What's the last good thing the Charlotte front office has done regarding player personnel?? They are shamelessly awful and truly mad.

I smell a troll...

SWedd523

01-16-2009, 09:47 PM

I smell a troll...
oh that's what that smell is?

ohara831

01-16-2009, 09:48 PM

Troll. Vanish. But go in peace.

catsfan

01-16-2009, 09:52 PM

wow, good trade

but unless Diaw is moving to backup SF,we need some wing players bad 7 big men and 4 PG's? :g:

teej

01-16-2009, 09:55 PM

haha he was right about the offense with diop tho

hes gonna need to pass more than diaw

jstar5

01-16-2009, 10:21 PM

I'm late to the party!

First, I've gotta say, nobody should feel bad for Matt Carroll! Yes, it can suck to have to move your whole family and leave the place you have known for a few years, BUT he's going to a team that has all the amenities any player could EVER ask for!! I remember reading a story where Shaq was spotted on Miami Beach with a Mavs towel because "they're the softest towels money can buy." Even their towels are top notch, they fly top notch, and eat top notch.

Second, I love the trade for us. Diop gives us a true 7-Footer that can play some interior D. We do need some offense but we don't need him to score necessarily. He'll get more minutes here and his numbers will definitely go up in CHA.

I think the most intriguing part of this trade is actually what comes next??

mrtarheel

01-16-2009, 10:40 PM

I like the trade concidering Matt stayed on the bench and Hollins only got spot minutes. We have a big that has experience just like the last trade we made and he may be hungry to prove something. Biggs are hard to come by and if you can get one making 5 to 7 mill I think it is a steal. Look at what we were going to do Curry at about 9 has more scoring but you are looking at 2 more mil a yr. We are defenitely looking at another trade in the works but I think it will be along the lines of something like this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3188~2011~568&teams=30~30~26&te=&cash=

or maybe even something like this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2821~3190~3455~2992~2776~3016&teams=30~30~30~9~9~9&te=&cash=

The later one being the best because we get a fix at the 2 and also a backup at the 3 and we lose none of our core players still. Besides they have to make room for Ellis coming back their minutes are going to be cut and Nellie wants Randolph gone.

teej

01-16-2009, 10:56 PM

i like both, but i dont see why utah would take the first?

2nd is good but im not sure we could get bellinelli

TheBeagle

01-16-2009, 11:20 PM

where is lexy gonna get time? Lexy's a 3/4 hybrid, not a 5 at all, so Diop's acquisition means nothing in terms of his already meager (>:() playing time.

******

As for the trade, I'm sorry to see both guys go, and there is a huge uncertainty with Diop who I know absolutely nothing about other than the fact he was recruited by Matt Doherty (DOH!) at Carolina, but instead took part of the high school draft party of '01. I vaguely remember him doing things in Dallas like rebounding and blocking shots. The good thing is, despite my skepticism about Diop, there was nothing major given up despite an arena fan favorite and a BCP favorite.

I agree with others that something is going on with Nazr; Juwan is the vet big man leader, so Nazr isn't needed in that capacity; and Diop makes him redundant as Mek's back-up; plus all that money wrapped up in limited backup 5s? Larry's not stupid, so something is definitely coming again, but what?

In summary, it's a low risk/high reward trade, and while it's not as exciting as the Raja/Boris trade, lots of good things could come from this...

teej

01-16-2009, 11:25 PM

Lexy's a 3/4 hybrid, not a 5 at all, so Diop's acquisition means nothing in terms of his already meager (>:() playing time.

idk, if he beefs up he could be a dantoni 5

just not an lb 5

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 11:42 PM

Lexy's a 3/4 hybrid, not a 5 at all, so Diop's acquisition means nothing in terms of his already meager (>:() playing time.

So very true, He is more a 3 but too tall, kinda a 4 but too thin... He can hit 3s tho, which is the euro player in him, they play a much more outside game in euroleague.

That said I cant wait to see where this rabbit hole we call the Larry Brown Cats goes... I say next we send felton, nazr and May or a vet 1 and a killer 2...then we're set to run.

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?

01-16-2009, 11:54 PM

grantleew

01-16-2009, 11:54 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3450~1026&teams=30~29&te=&cash=
how about this one?

1-augustin
2-mayo
3-wallace
4-okafor
5-diop

TattoodCats4life

01-16-2009, 11:57 PM

i'm late to the party too..but first, huge relief that we were not stupid to give away felton for diop

secondly, although i wanted carroll traded, it was due to his contract. don't remember diops contract , but isn't it pretty much the same?

lastly, sucks about hollins, but it didn't seem like he was cracking the rotation much

i hope that diop brings some good defensive presence and he is not a another nazr style trade bust...

I see us getting him as a means to an end with moving Nazr... We couldn't have Meka and Hollins being the only centers on the team, so we brought in Diop, now, Meka and Diop are good enough (with lexy praying for playing time) to let us move Nazr....Felton + Nazr + May is 12 mil, we should be able to bring in a 9mil/year SG and some development project 3, and maybe sign a veteran PG to a min contract remainder of the year.

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?

01-17-2009, 12:03 AM

I see us getting him as a means to an end with moving Nazr... We couldn't have Meka and Hollins being the only centers on the team, so we brought in Diop, now, Meka and Diop are good enough (with lexy praying for playing time) to let us move Nazr....Felton + Nazr + May is 12 mil, we should be able to bring in a 9mil/year SG and some development project 3, and maybe sign a veteran PG to a min contract remainder of the year.

exactly, that was my next thought...perhaps this will free us and allow us to move out Nazr

still though..if we are playing big, LB expressed (in the observer) that he could play Diop at C...Meka at PF...i think there is still slight need for Nazr

I only feel comfortable about Nazr moving out if we get some other sort of backup center with a more favorable contract

TattoodCats4life

01-17-2009, 12:07 AM

exactly, that was my next thought...perhaps this will free us and allow us to move out Nazr

still though..if we are playing big, LB expressed (in the observer) that he could play Diop at C...Meka at PF...i think there is still slight need for Nazr

I only feel comfortable about Nazr moving out if we get some other sort of backup center with a more favorable contract

I agree, maybe a second round rook who isn't doing fantastic but who can stand in for 5-10 min/game...I'm not sure who we're going to trade with coming up, but I'd love to see us get some of the great young guns from Portland...and they wanted Felton earlier... I'd take Turiaf or whoever it is to get Rudy Fernandez on the 2 for us...He's kicking butt and taking names...

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?

01-17-2009, 12:16 AM

some links to the reactions from fan in dallas

being somewhat superstitious at times i'm worried that last trade most people in CLT hated it and PHO loved it..and it worked out well for us

now, CLT loves it...while DAL hates it...so i hope the opposite doesn't occur

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/espn-desagana-diop-will-be-a-charlotte-b.html

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/trade-is-done-matt-carroll-is-a-maverick.html

jstar5

01-17-2009, 12:34 AM

The important part to your analogy to remember is that PHX still wasn't/isn't disappointed w/ their end of the deal, we are just pleasantly surprised

ALong13

01-17-2009, 01:00 AM

I like this trade...Carroll couldn't shoot and didn't fit the system well at all, Hollins had his bright times, but I think Ajinca will be better....I think Diop could pull a Juwan Howard and be an effective player off the bench, plus it clears our frontcourt a little bit...Hopefully motivates Morrison too...

PG: Felton, DJ, Singletary
SG: Bell, Brown
SF: Crash, Morrison
PF: Diaw, Howard, Ajinca, May
C: Okafor, Diop, Nazr

Didn't have to get rid of Felton, got rid of two players who really didn't fit the Larry Brown system, and got a player that I think will fit the system....All of a sudden our team is a little older...

TheBeagle

01-17-2009, 01:24 AM

The important part to your analogy to remember is that PHX still wasn't/isn't disappointed w/ their end of the deal, we are just pleasantly surprised You're probably right, but JRich is still missing clutch shots and getting scored on (Re: Friday night's loss vs. Minnesota), so it makes you wonder how long it'll be before we're the clear-cut winner of the deal.

SWedd523

01-17-2009, 01:25 AM

Really makes you think, if it wasn't LB at the helm, Raymo probably would be gone right now. This wasn't a bad trade even if he doesn't perform too well. I'm glad LB was here to keep Felton around

docend24

01-17-2009, 03:44 AM

Well lets just say that'd be great...too bad this was the only way i could get it to work

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~3016~1026~510&teams=14~14~14~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E3016%7E1026%7E510&teams=14%7E14%7E14%7E30&te=&cash=)
Uh, if it is just to get it work - http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~568~3016~510&teams=14~14~14~14~30&te=&cash=

docend24

01-17-2009, 03:58 AM

Well the deal would've worked with Carroll for Diop straight up, so I guess Dallas had to have a minimum player to throw in. I don't really care what Dallas' fans say because the Phoenix fans said Diaw was out of shape and lazy and whatnot, look what he turned into.

Diop does have a bad contract, but it's really not too much worse than Carroll's as it is a year shorter.

With us opening a spot in this trade I really see us putting Raymo and Nazr in a package for something, I don't know what. This is definitely not our last move of the year. We'll see something big happen before the deadline.

ILBIT!It's not. It ends in 2013 with nearly 7.4M. That's the only thing I'm liking this trade already, only Diop's contract makes it a really risky move and we need him to pan out. Good point - he is another french speaker, maybe that could help him to adapt faster. It looks like he was well liked teammate in Dallas, another good thing. Now it's Larry's turn.

spectre

01-17-2009, 06:48 AM

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11248

It's believed that Dallas was trying to expand this deal to include a third team, but the Bobcats' insistence on not including Raymond Felton as part of a trade may have sabotaged that effort. A Bobcats source told HOOPSWORLD earlier this week that despite the prolific rumors to the contrary, Felton is not on the market.

Supposedly Dallas wanted Felton included and we refused...that's why the original rumored deal didn't go down.

ohara831

01-17-2009, 07:01 AM

Didn't have to get rid of Felton, got rid of two players who really didn't fit the Larry Brown system, and got a player that I think will fit the system....All of a sudden our team is a little older...

edit: Sorry ALong13. Messed up the quotes and it did not attribute the above to you. My bad. Just wanted to make sure I added it.

We actually got older, younger, and stayed the same. Diop is only 26. Carroll is older at 28, Hollins younger at 24, but the avg is 26.

Slam

01-17-2009, 07:52 AM

exactly, that was my next thought...perhaps this will free us and allow us to move out Nazr

still though..if we are playing big, LB expressed (in the observer) that he could play Diop at C...Meka at PF...i think there is still slight need for Nazr

I only feel comfortable about Nazr moving out if we get some other sort of backup center with a more favorable contract
LB has continually spoken very highly of Nazzy and his value to the team.

I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't any big moves at all this season and that this trade is the precursor to trading EO50 over the summer/next season.

I wonder if this trade was done to bring in a ready replacement on a much, much cheaper deal for EO50 at the 5.

For example, we trade EO50 for Vince Carter.

Felts - VC - Crash - Diaw - Diop

ohara831

01-17-2009, 08:07 AM

LB has continually spoken very highly of Nazzy and his value to the team.

I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't any big moves at all this season and that this trade is the precursor to trading EO50 over the summer/next season.

I wonder if this trade was done to bring in a ready replacement on a much, much cheaper deal for EO50 at the 5.

For example, we trade EO50 for Vince Carter.

Felts - VC - Crash - Diaw - Diop

Even considering the Defense of Diop and Okafor to be equal, there is a vast difference in offensive output. The money saved on the tradeoff of Okafor for Diop would not be sufficient for the scoring lost in that tradeoff. Even with VC's input. We could use other trades to get a SG with scoring punch.

Slam

01-17-2009, 08:10 AM

Even considering the Defense of Diop and Okafor to be equal, there is a vast difference in offensive output. The money saved on the tradeoff of Okafor for Diop would not be sufficient for the scoring lost in that tradeoff. Even with VC's input. We could use other trades to get a SG with scoring punch.
I think offensive output is the last thing that LB worries about. Just look at what he has done with this roster in a short amount of time and the 3 players he has brought in.

So long as Diop can catch the ball and finish inside, he could have the same offensive impact as Emeka IMO.

It's not like Emeka has some sort of refined Al Jefferson like offensive game. He scores on points that others get him.

Keetch

01-17-2009, 08:12 AM

Slam; I'm not even going to think about a trade of Okafor for Carter. It hurts too much.

According to Hollinger, Diop can't catch the ball and finish inside. We'll see soon enough.

spectre

01-17-2009, 08:15 AM

I think offensive output is the last thing that LB worries about. Just look at what he has done with this roster in a short amount of time and the 3 players he has brought in.

So long as Diop can catch the ball and finish inside, he could have the same offensive impact as Emeka IMO.

It's not like Emeka has some sort of refined Al Jefferson like offensive game. He scores on points that others get him.

It could at least give us the option of moving Mek if Diop works out, but I think LB wanted him for this season just as much to reinforce our strength inside. Mek is our only banger and LB wanted reinforcements.

Slam

01-17-2009, 08:26 AM

Slam; I'm not even going to think about a trade of Okafor for Carter. It hurts too much.
The Carter thing was just an example off the top off my head Keetch. I just can't help but think something bigger will happen in the future, and I can't see us being able to easily move Nazzy's contract.

According to Hollinger, Diop can't catch the ball and finish inside. We'll see soon enough.
That's worrisome!

Slam

01-17-2009, 08:28 AM

It could at least give us the option of moving Mek if Diop works out, but I think LB wanted him for this season just as much to reinforce our strength inside. Mek is our only banger and LB wanted reinforcements.
I will say this: I much prefer Diop over Reggie Evans!

spectre

01-17-2009, 08:33 AM

I will say this: I much prefer Diop over Reggie Evans!

:hysterical:

I meant to ask you about that!

I do too.

Slam

01-17-2009, 08:45 AM

ohara831

01-17-2009, 08:49 AM

I'm just looking at our C position going from 13.7 pts down to less than 2. I know if might go up a little with more PT, but not to 13.7 with Diop.

spectre

01-17-2009, 09:22 AM

Couple things on Hoopshype:

http://www.star-telegram.com/281/story/1148991.html

Nelson also said talks to acquire Felton are not dead.

Seems they're aggressively trying to get Felton.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11243

The Oklahoma City Thunder are likely not done dealing. Multiple NBA sources have confirmed to HOOPSWORLD that the Thunder are aggressively shopping Earl Waston and are willing to part with a first round pick in the process.

So it appears we could have gotten Denver's pick in that rumored 3 way...yet we still turned it down.

It's looking more and more to me that the FO places a lot higher value on Felton than it originally appeared.

TattoodCats4life

01-17-2009, 09:36 AM

I'm glad to see that the FO wants to get some REAL value from felton... We should combine Felts with May and get a 6 mil escalating contract for a large 2 guard and a min contract veteran PG (the type of PG where only part of their salary counts because the NBA itself covers some of it).

ALuhrs704

01-17-2009, 12:46 PM

I like this trade alot, more so because felton is still on the team and it seems like we are going to get good value for him if moved. I think Diop will be very solid, brown wanted him in the offseason but we couldnt get him, but all this okafor being moved is garbage that would really set the team back espicially for VC........

BobCatsFanInTx

01-17-2009, 02:01 PM

Couple things on Hoopshype:

http://www.star-telegram.com/281/story/1148991.html

Seems they're aggressively trying to get Felton.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11243

So it appears we could have gotten Denver's pick in that rumored 3 way...yet we still turned it down.

It's looking more and more to me that the FO places a lot higher value on Felton than it originally appeared.The Mavs must think our front office is real stupid. How in the hell can they justify a straight up trade involving Diop for Felton. I am glad we were not that stupid. If the Mavericks want Raymond now they better give us a fair deal.

jdub28

01-17-2009, 02:22 PM

I cant wait until we get some garbage time and McMay and Lasagna Diop are our 4 and 5. Pherhaps with Boris "Fench Fry" Diaw at 3.:biggrin:

The Mavs must think our front office is real stupid. How in the hell can they justify a straight up trade involving Diop for Felton. I am glad we were not that stupid. If the Mavericks want Raymond now they better give us a fair deal.

But what would be a fair deal? Josh Howard seems like the anti-LB player (but then again so was Iverson) and if we bring in Bass our PF slot will be the new SG (4-5 people at one spot).

I think we are finished dealing with the Mavs, they want Felton, the only good trade would probably involve a 3rd team, unless the mavs can find someone really interested in Josh Howard, or we can find a 3rd teamwilling to give us a good player for Wallace (Id like Danny Granger please) negotiations seem dead.

TattoodCats4life

01-17-2009, 02:50 PM

I agree with finding something good for Felton and that likely isnt going to involve the Mavs..they missed the boat, maybe they'll get him in free agency this summer who knows...We're moving on to see who wants to give us what for the next few weeks...Until then he can keep helping us...

Proudiddy

01-17-2009, 05:07 PM

I am happy with Felton being here, and he has made it clear he wants to be here. That being said, as long as he keeps up his great play, he's good for us, and we're good for him.

I want him here unless we get a fair deal in value. That being a player plus a VERY high 1st round pick from the Thunder.

My idea of fair for Felton (probably paired with May and Nazr):

/ = and/or
From DAL: Jason Terry/Gerald Green/Bass and a pick.

GSW: Randolph or Wright and Bellinelli, Ellis, or Morrow.

Portland: Pryzbilla and Batum or Fernandez.

Ampsportsduo

01-17-2009, 05:18 PM

Slam; I'm not even going to think about a trade of Okafor for Carter. It hurts too much.

According to Hollinger, Diop can't catch the ball and finish inside. We'll see soon enough.

Agreed.

I'm done with Hollinger, after all he was the one that suggested Steve Kerr was wearing a ski mask when making the J-Rich trade.

Diop's made exactly one basket this season from outside the lane. He's being brought in to strengthen a bench that's severely lacking in defensive intimdation. Diop being at the rim will hopefully prevent those leads from slipping away or deficits being increased because teams won't have a free pass to the basket when the starters aren't in.

SWedd523

01-17-2009, 05:41 PM

Proudiddy

01-17-2009, 06:10 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~2754~2015&teams=22~22~30~30&te=3204:30-3201&cash=
not that realistic but hey

I actually would take that even without Outlaw over the one I suggested b/c Frye could provide scoring from a big which we need now that the guys we have are all more defensive guys. Great deal.

TattoodCats4life

01-17-2009, 06:19 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~2754~2015&teams=22~22~30~30&te=3204:30-3201&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E568%7E2754%7E2015&teams=22%7E22%7E30%7E30&te=3204:30-3201&cash=)
not that realistic but hey

That would be the most awesome trade in the world...gives us so much... but i highly doubt the blazers would even consider that trade...they might give us outlaw but fernandez is tearing it up at the 2 so thats doubtful...

BETCATS

01-17-2009, 08:06 PM

Slam;

According to Hollinger, Diop can't catch the ball and finish inside. We'll see soon enough.

People listen to Hollinger?

I thought his stuff was for ESPN to win a creative fiction writing award, because this Hollinger guy is the same Hollinger that said Ron Artest make for a great Power Forward for Houston next to Yao. Ron has played all his games at the Small Forward postion this year.

Hollinger = 50% B.S reporting 50% truth bending reporting

docend24

01-18-2009, 03:57 PM

How can he tell anything about catching just from numbers?

spectre

01-19-2009, 08:21 AM

DeSagana Diop Arrives in Charlotte (http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video_diop_090118.html)

Mustachio

01-19-2009, 09:08 AM

DeSagana Diop Arrives in Charlotte (http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video_diop_090118.html)

haha he got a little awkward when asked about this past offseason didn't he? but seriously I dont blame him. Take the Mavs who were winning and have the nicest team facilities and luxuries or come help the Bobcats build on the cheap.

good link spectre.

TattoodCats4life

01-19-2009, 09:11 AM

haha he got a little awkward when asked about this past offseason didn't he? but seriously I dont blame him. Take the Mavs who were winning and have the nicest team facilities and luxuries or come help the Bobcats build on the cheap.

good link spectre.

He seemed happy enough to be here though..Looking forward to see him play..