This team sucks without Wallace

[Jeff41]

I know I'm stating the obvious here, but what boring, awful basketball these last two games have been. I knew Wallace was integral to this team, but it's not even enjoyable watching this team right now and I thought they were a blast to watch before. Oh well, hurry back Crash, we miss ya!

PS. In the dictionary, if you look up the word "suck", there's a picture of Adam Morrison. Way to step up guy. :rolleyes:

[TattoodCats4life]

We are adjusting to life without GW... Martin was a good pickup, and I think he'll pan out, looked fairly good tonight, just unsure of what Larry wanted (trying to impress on his audition). In the next game or two we should see him take on a bigger role as the team adjusts to him. but you got Ammo dead on, damn!... Luckily he expires for 2010, so he'll be valuable for us next year for sure!

[G-Force for MVP]

im considering morrison top 10 worst players in the nba hes just awful

play the guy from the d league

[110oldeast]

This is the tough part of Carroll being gone. I don't know that he would regain the same form, but last year when Wallace went out, Carroll stepped in nicely and we were a really efficient offensive team.

That said, when I heard Mello was back I wanted to curse him for picking tonight.

This is as much about the cumulative effect of losing Dudley and Carroll who while not being able to replace Gerald, could fill in ways vs. starting over again in trying to find chemistry amongst guys who have not played much together in relative positions. I do like what I saw out of Martin though. I would like to see more of him.

[JamieMcNeill]

Sign of the apocalypse
Cartier was listed as a 4 tonight meaning the only 3 on our active roster according to ESPN was
dun
dun
dun
Adam Morrison.
Cower Bobcats.
You have a reason.

[Jeff41]

im considering morrison top 10 worst players in the nba hes just awful

play the guy from the d league

Yea it's pretty bad when you're pulled from the lineup and the coach puts in someone they just signed from the D-League (and they outplay you by 1000%) because you suck so bad.

[Jeff41]

im considering morrison top 10 worst players in the nba hes just awful

play the guy from the d league

When he had that play wide open under the basket tonight and look completely lost with what to do, I just shook my head in disgust. Easily one of the worst players in the NBA.

[TheBeagle]

My only response to the current Bobcat malaise is an acronym.....you know which one ;)

[Robertpel9]

couldnt aree more on any of these counts

1) we are sucking bad without Wallace
2) Adam Morrison is easily the worst starter in the whole league right now and needs to go NOW (I have a whole other thread on this from earlier tonight)
3) Morrison makes Carrol look like Jordan in the clutch

[jdub28]

All the talk about Moving GW earlier this season seems like crazy talk. Crash is the engine that makes the Bobcats go.

On the bright side Raja seems to be one of the rare cases where a player is truly just rusty, but hes shining now. And Cartier seems like just what we needed, pure scoring ability. We went from a team at the beginning of the season with a PF trapped at center to a team with two PF's that can knock down the three.

Wallace getting hurt is really gonna slow the team down, but other than Ammo and He Who Should Not Be Feed, I love our roster.

[110oldeast]

I think one of the thoughts of moving as well as the inability to move Crash had to do with his injury history. It's the double edged sword of his namesake.

Again, they had success without him last year (8-4 in the 12 games he missed out of our last 25), but that also included having a productive Matt Carroll and Jared Dudley to fill in. I am not going to pile on Morrison, but notice that the guy who's being asked to replace him right now was not a part of the equation who successfully did it last year.

I like what I saw out of Martin. The tough part is simply that again, you are looking at a rotation who JUST started getting comfortable with each other having to adjust again.

I can only hope that they can work Martin in the lineup more consistently.

All the talk about Moving GW earlier this season seems like crazy talk. Crash is the engine that makes the Bobcats go.

On the bright side Raja seems to be one of the rare cases where a player is truly just rusty, but hes shining now. And Cartier seems like just what we needed, pure scoring ability. We went from a team at the beginning of the season with a PF trapped at center to a team with two PF's that can knock down the three.

Wallace getting hurt is really gonna slow the team down, but other than Ammo and He Who Should Not Be Feed, I love our roster.

[TattoodCats4life]

I honestly saw a huge flash of "woah" with Martin last night. Last play of the 1st Felton dribbled clock to nil, no look pass to Martin. He was ready even with the no look (didnt expect that from a D-league player) I completely expected butter fingers like when DJ used to pass to Nazr....but no, he grabbed, and with no hesitation whatsoever, took a great looking shot that was off by MAYBE 2 inches from going in...He also defended well at the end of the game. Honestly if Martin doesnt start next game i'd be VERY shocked... especially being they have 2 days of practice in Utah before the game. If he steps up in Utah and against Atlanta i don't doubt another 10 day and maybe, just maybe a "finish the season with us" deal...(and of course if he stays fired up we could certainly sign him to something nicer after that along with shannon).

[docend24]

When he had that play wide open under the basket tonight and look completely lost with what to do, I just shook my head in disgust. Easily one of the worst players in the NBA.
had a nice hook shot on other play - he is just not a dunker, that wasn't a pass to comfort zone of the player (I guess he was just caught moving off the ball, running under the basket and unexpected pass came, otherwise I don't know what he was doing there)

[docend24]

im considering morrison top 10 worst players in the nba hes just awful

play the guy from the d league
I'm pretty sure he is not eligible.

(not only 10 letters but also 30 seconds between posts? huh, what will be next?)

[Slam]

That's why Crash is still our MVP.

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8465

[Slam]

I honestly saw a huge flash of "woah" with Martin last night. Last play of the 1st Felton dribbled clock to nil, no look pass to Martin. He was ready even with the no look (didnt expect that from a D-league player) I completely expected butter fingers like when DJ used to pass to Nazr....but no, he grabbed, and with no hesitation whatsoever, took a great looking shot that was off by MAYBE 2 inches from going in...He also defended well at the end of the game. Honestly if Martin doesnt start next game i'd be VERY shocked... especially being they have 2 days of practice in Utah before the game. If he steps up in Utah and against Atlanta i don't doubt another 10 day and maybe, just maybe a "finish the season with us" deal...(and of course if he stays fired up we could certainly sign him to something nicer after that along with shannon).
So you've moved on from "Lil Sean" being our "woah" guy and have moved onto the new flavor of the month?

[110oldeast]

I don't know if this is true or not. By this logic, if Felton were hurt and Crash were healthy, Felton would be shown to be MVP as we would very likely look a lot different. People said Crash was the MVP last year, but w/ McInnis gone for 30% of the season (a significant portion), they had a better record without him (8-4) than with him (5-8). I am of the mind that LB is the MVP.

I will say that he Crash did become more indispensable once Carroll and Dudley left however.

I am saying LB b/c of the influence he had over the front office.



That's why Crash is still our MVP.

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8465

[Slam]

I don't know if this is true or not. By this logic, if Felton were hurt and Crash were healthy, Felton would be shown to be MVP as we would very likely look a lot different. People said Crash was the MVP last year, but w/ McInnis gone for 30% of the season (a significant portion), they had a better record without him (8-4) than with him (5-8). I am of the mind that LB is the MVP.

I will say that he Crash did become more indispensable once Carroll and Dudley left however.

I am saying LB b/c of the influence he had over the front office.
Except that MVP is widely excepted as an abbreviation of Most Valuable Player and LB doesn't actually play.

Like I said in that other post - Crash IMO is our MVP because he does things that no one else on the roster does and is the hardest to replace.

Case in point: Our last two games.

[TattoodCatswife]

I think we just have to figure out a way to gel without Wallace..somehow..

[110oldeast]

And like I was saying, if Crash was healthy in those games and Felton was out, with our team as currently assembled, we would have dropped them as well (especially Portland on the back end of a back to back road 2 OT win when we had beat them the last couple of times we had played). Would that make him our MVP?

Last year he did things that the combination of Carroll and Dudley didn't do, but they did things that he didn't and the team was able to deal with his loss. Losing both of them leaves the roster as currently assembled and healthy leaves him and Felton as most indispensable.

So I will concede on LB not being MVP. I'm just saying that with our team learning to play together as much as they are, it is hard to replace any of the mainstays (Boris, Raja, and Mek included) and not be adversely effected. But the 2 most indispensable guys are Wallace and Felton.

It will be interesting to see how Martin continues to fill in, as he may help us compensate for Crash's loss the way Dudley and Carroll did last year. If we just now pulled up a D-leaguer at pg, I would not be even thinking about the storm potentially being weathered.

I'm not being argumentative. I'm just saying that the loss of wings even as dynamic as Crash can usually be compensated for more easily than the pg, especially in LB's system with the lack of pg depth we have. It's simply a matter of having had to see the team in Crash's absence that makes it seem like a slam dunk, IMHO.


Except that MVP is widely excepted as an abbreviation of Most Valuable Player and LB doesn't actually play.

Like I said in that other post - Crash IMO is our MVP because he does things that no one else on the roster does and is the hardest to replace.

Case in point: Our last two games.

[BETCATS]

im considering morrison top 10 worst players in the nba hes just awful

play the guy from the d league

Dont dis the D-League like that!!

[TattoodCatswife]

Dont dis the D-League like that!!

HAHA yeah the D-League has better players

[BETCATS]

I know I'm stating the obvious here, but what boring, awful basketball these last two games have been. I knew Wallace was integral to this team, but it's not even enjoyable watching this team right now and I thought they were a blast to watch before. Oh well, hurry back Crash, we miss ya!

PS. In the dictionary, if you look up the word "suck", there's a picture of Adam Morrison. Way to step up guy. :rolleyes:


Captain Obvious sales the ship of Well Known Fact!!!

But seriously, you are correct good sir. I am disappointed that Morrison does not understand how to 'step up' but i should have expected it. Oh well.

I still think that if we do not re-sign this Cartier Martin guy and get a better Small Forward who is not necessarily in the D-League (say, my boy DERON WASHINGTON!) we can turn this around.

[TattoodCats4life]

So you've moved on from "Lil Sean" being our "woah" guy and have moved onto the new flavor of the month?

No, but im very impressed when someone comes in from a totally different system and shows NO hesitation...thats refreshing after seeing Ammo get up and just about refuse to play effeciently. New guy "feels" like a mix of what Carroll could do (hit from 3 pt range with ease) and based on what i've seen and read about his play he can rock the rim al la Wallace...

Lil Sean is still my favorite of the "underdeveloped" players on the team. He has more potential than anything he has done. Will he eclipse DJ oh HELL NO... I still think Larry's going to try shifting him to the 2, as he did play well next to DJ the few minutes he's been played that way. I think if he develops his upper body some more he could be a very hard to defend fast 2 guard...but of course he won't match up against the taller 2s. The way he played in college tells me he has "potential" to play as a killer 2 in the same way AI plays...but he needs LOTS more work...

Either way, they are both NBA Rookies and we can just hope for them to pan out...unlike players who have been slurping our payroll and eating roster space for YEARS without putting much on the box score to earn that check.

[TattoodCatswife]

Either way, they are both NBA Rookies and we can just hope for them to pan out...unlike players who have been slurping our payroll and eating roster space for YEARS without putting much on the box score to earn that check.

HAHA Sean May