The Waive Sean May Thread

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According to the Observer, now May has some swelling in his knee

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/507854.html


Sean May has experienced some new swelling on his surgically-repaired right knee. He had a magnetic resonance imaging exam that showed no new damage.There are only 35 games left in the season and I have my doubts that May will be able to simultaneously get under 260 pounds and have a healthy knee anytime soon.

What would be the harm in cutting him and auditioning big men from the D-League through 10 day contracts for the remainder of the season? Its not like we're going to give Sean another year and bring him back next season... At least I hope not.

Thoughts?

[110oldeast]

Seriously, they have treated him as the FRANCHISE PF for 3.25 years (pre-Boris Diaw). And for what? A few nice games including a big double double against Orlando. Just another (maybe the prime example) example of this franchise's obsession with hope and inability to appropriately evaluate reality. Injuries do matter. Again, this ain't a video game where you can take the injury settings off. One day we will get that.

[TattoodCats4life]

We shouldn't waive him until after the deadline, he is expiring and could bring us back someone with a less favorable contract who doesnt suck as bad...I cant think of anyone but im sure the knicks, nets or anyone else praying for 2010 (or some of the better 09ers) would like to give us someone who has a 3 mil ascending contract, or perhaps we trade him with felton and/or ammo to bring back someone with a little more money and time (like ammo+may for a 5-6 mil guy with 3-4 years left from a 2010 hopeful team.)

I am not opposed to waiving May on 2/20 and seeing about getting insurance to cover some of this year's salary to boot.

[Muttley]

I support waiving him on 2/20 if he's still with the team then.

[kickazzz2000]

I support waiving him on 2/20 if he's still with the team then.
bye byeeeee!

[SWedd523]

I have no problem waiving him the second the trade deadline is passed. Is there not some way we can recoup money from him for sucking so bad?

[dnbman]

According to the Observer, now May has some swelling in his knee

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/507854.html

There are only 35 games left in the season and I have my doubts that May will be able to simultaneously get under 260 pounds and have a healthy knee anytime soon.

What would be the harm in cutting him and auditioning big men from the D-League through 10 day contracts for the remainder of the season? Its not like we're going to give Sean another year and bring him back next season... At least I hope not.

Thoughts?

I completely agree. Not only would it be best for the Bobcats, but I think May needs to be cut for his own career. Right now he has the comfort of being on a team and being paid well. Though he'd keep his money, if he got cut that might be a wake up call that he's going to have to re-double his efforts to be an effective player again.

Of course, I love the idea of trying out other young bigs who are leaving their mark on the NBDL right now.

[dnbman]

We shouldn't waive him until after the deadline, he is expiring and could bring us back someone with a less favorable contract who doesnt suck as bad...I cant think of anyone but im sure the knicks, nets or anyone else praying for 2010 (or some of the better 09ers) would like to give us someone who has a 3 mil ascending contract, or perhaps we trade him with felton and/or ammo to bring back someone with a little more money and time (like ammo+may for a 5-6 mil guy with 3-4 years left from a 2010 hopeful team.)

I am not opposed to waiving May on 2/20 and seeing about getting insurance to cover some of this year's salary to boot.

But would that player be that good? Do we want to tie ourselves to mediocre talent for more years? I'd rather cut our losses, try some young, hungry talent, and then reassess the situation at the end of the year without the added salary.

[TheLegend]

Why not throw Adam Morrison in the mix as well, both of them are really useless for us.

[dnbman]

Why not throw Adam Morrison in the mix as well, both of them are really useless for us.

Strangely, I am much more optimistic about Morrison than May. Despite my recent post, I think Ammo can still contribute if he gets his mind right. He at least has the attitude, which May does not have.

If nothing else, I think Morrison has some possible trade value that May doesn't.

Oh, and the biggest difference: Morrison can actually play basketball right now and May can't.

[ALong13]

I'm thinking we trade Sean May I see it going like this

We trade Sean May to Krispy Kreme for 1 Medium Coke, a dozen donuts, and 1000 Krispy Kreme tickets...sound good?

Then since we love promotional night, we'll have Sean May appreciation night, first 1000 people to the arena get Krispy Kreme coupon?

[BETCATS]

I have no problem waiving him the second the trade deadline is passed. Is there not some way we can recoup money from him for sucking so bad?


I wish!

Too much Rod Benson anyone?
He would be the type of player we should replace Sean with. A D-League guy who works hard every night and has potential to be really really good.

[TattoodCatswife]

This whole May situation is so frustrating. He is a waste of valuable space on our bench and I am so pissed cuz now his knee is swelling and now he is more of a waste cuz lord knows when the hell he is going to get back on track now:mad:

[SWedd523]

I wish!

Too much Rod Benson anyone?
He would be the type of player we should replace Sean with. A D-League guy who works hard every night and has potential to be really really good.
At this point I would take ANY hard working player willing to go out and do his job. He doesn't even have to be that good as long as he's willing to work

[davcbow]

At this point any D leaguer would be better than what we have now in Sean May....:cool:

[TattoodCatswife]

At this point any D leaguer would be better than what we have now in Sean May....:cool:

Exactly, at least they would be happy and willing to play

[JamieMcNeill]

I agree with several other people here.
I want to see a timeline like this
12:00 trade deadline passes
12:01 Sean May is waived
12:02 Sign a viable option from the D-League. Rod Benson, Courtney sims or erik daniels? Or whoever LB likes because when its all over with. ILBIT is all that matters

[TattoodCats4life]

I agree with several other people here.
I want to see a timeline like this
12:00 trade deadline passes
12:01 Sean May is waived
12:02 Sign a viable option from the D-League. Rod Benson, Courtney sims or erik daniels? Or whoever LB likes because when its all over with. ILBIT is all that matters

This is the most likely scenario as we dont want another garbage contract....but who knows...

[Ghost Kat]

Poor Sean May, He just can't get right. I hope the FO finally grows some balls and cuts him loose. They are already bringing morrison back, I want to have faith in him but he's not giving me much reason to. May is a different story. I wish the players read these posts, I want him to know personly what he has done to Bobcat fans and his fans, I hope he is ashamed

[TattoodCats4life]

Poor Sean May, He just can't get right. I hope the FO finally grows some balls and cuts him loose. They are already bringing morrison back, I want to have faith in him but he's not giving me much reason to. May is a different story. I wish the players read these posts, I want him to know personly what he has done to Bobcat fans and his fans, I hope he is ashamed

FO is going to kick May to the curb or trade his expiring for something "eh" either way fine... Everyone seems to be unsure of why we resigned Ammo...but I think I've figured it out..Its called Leverage... a 5 million dollar expiring contract next season is going to be worth LOTS as teams try to clear room for the expected "summer of lebron" We know damn well we're not going to play in that game, we may try to land some ex-larry brown players who still love the guy, but we're not getting wade, bosh, lebron et al. What we will have is a bargining chip that will either land us some serious talent on long contracts that unfortunately lock a team out of the race for 2010 FAs or we may get a bevy of picks (Like i could seriously see the nets trading us someone "eh" and a 1st, or some one fairly good and a sprinkling of 2nds for that 5 million dollar hole we call Ammo).

[teej]

I think we should keep May until the deadline and beg teams for a second round pick for him, and maybe it could be another Leon Powe, Ryan Gomes, Kyle Korver, Michael Redd or Manu Ginobili - in the last 10 years, these guys have all been picked 43 or below...but if we can't then cut his injured lard ass and let him flip and swallow burgers at mcdonalds

[TheBeagle]

My silence up to this point about Sean May has nothing to do with my Tarheel roots (like the rest of us here, it's all about the Bobcats well-being with no other fanboyish biases allowed), and has everything about wondering why he was here in the first place. As excited as I was to see us draft Felton in '05, I was stymied by picking May later; there was a quick moment there where I was excited to have two Tarheel heroes coming aboard the Cats, but that was short lived because I knew that Sean May was damaged goods. I was wanting either Granger (who I remember watching play at New Mexico on ESPN's late night MWC games during that season going up against Bogut and others) or Gerald Green (the highschooler with "potential").

I knew that a healthy Sean would be a good fit for the Cats, but I knew that he already wasn't healthy after the championship run, and figured it was likely health, not necessarily conditioning, would plague him and shorten his career. Obviously, he disappointed the hell out of me with his playboy shenanigans as a local legend in the Chapel Hill and Charlotte nightclub scene, and generally giving the middle finger to conditioning. He should've known with a chronically bum knee, if he wanted to continue to earn a paycheck playing ball, he needed to take better care of himself and this he didn't do at all. So as far as Sean goes, my emotion is disappointment as opposed to anger which most of you, understandably and rightfully so, choose.

Ultimately I put the blame on Bernie though. How the hell did Sean pass predraft physicals? I saw him on campus one afternoon in April and he was limping for chrissakes. I don't know if he was taking cortizone shots or what, but the fact he had a bum knee wasn't discovered by the Cats staff at the time was an egregious error, and they, ultimately are the ones to blame....though nobody from that regime is still here are they?

Waive him. Don't waive him. Either way, the Sean May Experiment is winding down to a merciful close.

[RELAXTV]

You know what, if we stop talking about him, stop thinking about him, maybe he'll disappear faster than a speeding bullet.

If not, there's always the offseason, we'll cut our losses, and in a few years, we'll see him on the blimp screen camera weighing around 500 lbs.

[teej]

You know what, if we stop talking about him, stop thinking about him, maybe he'll disappear faster than a speeding bullet.

If not, there's always the offseason, we'll cut our losses, and in a few years, we'll see him on the blimp screen camera weighing around 500 lbs.

He'll be a contestant of the Biggest Loser

[TattoodCats4life]

He'll be a contestant of the Biggest Loser

He'll be like that kid from Raleigh this season who was home for 30 days and CLEARLY didnt lose a damn pound ;)

[teej]

He'll be like that kid from Raleigh this season who was home for 30 days and CLEARLY didnt lose a damn pound ;)

Well if Sean was home for 30 days I do believe he could be the Biggest Gainer...120 pounds!

[TattoodCats4life]

Well if Sean was home for 30 days I do believe he could be the Biggest Gainer...120 pounds!

But the economy would be better, those fast food ppl wouldnt need a stimulus package ;)

[docend24]

Why not throw Adam Morrison in the mix as well, both of them are really useless for us.
Even if you are completely done with Morrison, he is expiring next year. Needless to say he can be traded for other reason than that. Possibly. Multplayer deal probably than one for one.

So basically his trading value is bound to be higher than now (barring serious injury).

[docend24]

You know what, if we stop talking about him, stop thinking about him, maybe he'll disappear faster than a speeding bullet.

If not, there's always the offseason, we'll cut our losses, and in a few years, we'll see him on the blimp screen camera weighing around 500 lbs.How he could be that quick? Free fall?

[docend24]

But the economy would be better, those fast food ppl wouldnt need a stimulus package ;)
:biggrin: priceless

[TattoodCats4life]

I still say our best bet is to put our junk together for Tinsley and a low paid swingman... with the player's association about to file a grievance against the Pacers now may be the time to send them an offer they cant refuse ;) (NOT INCLUDING FELTON)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2832~3436~3457~1024~2776~568~3 016&teams=30~30~30~30~11~11~11&te=&cash=

That'd be too too sweet (Tinsley's contract matches up with Nazr's perfectly so we're really not taking on something bad, and he would probably play here.

[SWedd523]

I still say our best bet is to put our junk together for Tinsley and a low paid swingman... with the player's association about to file a grievance against the Pacers now may be the time to send them an offer they cant refuse ;) (NOT INCLUDING FELTON)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2832~3436~3457~1024~2776~568~3 016&teams=30~30~30~30~11~11~11&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2832%7E3436%7E3457%7E1024%7E27 76%7E568%7E3016&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E11%7E11%7E11&te=&cash=)

That'd be too too sweet (Tinsley's contract matches up with Nazr's perfectly so we're really not taking on something bad, and he would probably play here.
Dude you are ALL ABOUT some Jamaal Tinsley! He is terrible. Not only that, but he's a cancer to the team. His contract is no better than Nazr's. In fact, it's worse considering the fact that he doesn't contribute anything to his team other than bad feelings.

Check the trade machine, you don't see his 2008-09 stats. You see his 2007-08 stats. If he was any good, they wouldn't have traded for T.J. and also have Jack ahead of him. Curry would be better for our team than Tinsley. We can do much more than him.

[TattoodCats4life]

Dude you are ALL ABOUT some Jamaal Tinsley! He is terrible. Not only that, but he's a cancer to the team. His contract is no better than Nazr's. In fact, it's worse considering the fact that he doesn't contribute anything to his team other than bad feelings.

Check the trade machine, you don't see his 2008-09 stats. You see his 2007-08 stats. If he was any good, they wouldn't have traded for T.J. and also have Jack ahead of him. Curry would be better for our team than Tinsley. We can do much more than him.

We could, what you're missing though is the fact that Tinsley is a bargaining chip...ie "I'll take your super trash, BUT you've gotta give me XXXXX" Basically with my trade above I've got some good stuff coming our way for our bench and possibly start later, and Tinsley can do what he's been doing, or he can come off the bench depending on his attitude...I'm not sure what Tinsley can be, but some of his seasons he did well, so who knows, maybe larry can beat him into shape, maybe not...but dollar for dollar he is no worse than Nazr, and if taking him facilitates eliminating May and Ammo for some productive bench players I'm all for it... I understand that a Nazr bandwagon is forming but a 5/5 night is nothing to jump for joy about.. Just so its clear though, this trade isnt about getting Tinsley, its about the other 3 guys and tinsley is a facilitator :)

[SWedd523]

We could, what you're missing though is the fact that Tinsley is a bargaining chip...ie "I'll take your super trash, BUT you've gotta give me XXXXX" Basically with my trade above I've got some good stuff coming our way for our bench and possibly start later, and Tinsley can do what he's been doing, or he can come off the bench depending on his attitude...I'm not sure what Tinsley can be, but some of his seasons he did well, so who knows, maybe larry can beat him into shape, maybe not...but dollar for dollar he is no worse than Nazr, and if taking him facilitates eliminating May and Ammo for some productive bench players I'm all for it... I understand that a Nazr bandwagon is forming but a 5/5 night is nothing to jump for joy about.. Just so its clear though, this trade isnt about getting Tinsley, its about the other 3 guys and tinsley is a facilitator :)
I'll take 5/5/Good guy over 0/0/Cancer any day of the week. I'm not on any type of Nazr bandwagon whatsoever but I just don't see how you could compare the two.

They've been openly BEGGING people to take Tinsley. There's a reason nobody is biting that offer. I also don't look at Hibbert, Graham, and Rush as anywhere near valuable enough to warrant that trade, even if it means getting rid of Ammo and May.


The only way I would take their worst player, and one of the least wanted players in the League, would be if we got something of extreme value out of the deal--Daniels, Dunleavy, or Granger. Without those pieces, Indiana has nothing that I would take in return for Tinsley

[TattoodCats4life]

I'll take 5/5/Good guy over 0/0/Cancer any day of the week. I'm not on any type of Nazr bandwagon whatsoever but I just don't see how you could compare the two.

They've been openly BEGGING people to take Tinsley. There's a reason nobody is biting that offer. I also don't look at Hibbert, Graham, and Rush as anywhere near valuable enough to warrant that trade, even if it means getting rid of Ammo and May.


The only way I would take their worst player, and one of the least wanted players in the League, would be if we got something of extreme value out of the deal--Daniels, Dunleavy, or Granger. Without those pieces, Indiana has nothing that I would take in return for Tinsley

I certainly agree that Tinsley + Dunleavy or Granger would be killer, but we'd have to send them something we're paying good money for (i.e. someone good) to get that... I'll be honest, I've not paid enough attention to teams beyond the Cats, besides watching whatever comes on at 10:30 EST before bed... I found that Tinsley was in a bar fight or something, but what else did he do to get the Marbury treatment?

[SWedd523]

I certainly agree that Tinsley + Dunleavy or Granger would be killer, but we'd have to send them something we're paying good money for (i.e. someone good) to get that... I'll be honest, I've not paid enough attention to teams beyond the Cats, besides watching whatever comes on at 10:30 EST before bed... I found that Tinsley was in a bar fight or something, but what else did he do to get the Marbury treatment?
O'Brien and Pacers' President of Basketball Operations Larry Bird have asked Tinsley to stay away from the team by not attending team practices or games during the 2008-09 season. Tinsley has since requested a contract buyout through his agent, but Bird has insisted that Pacers' management will find a suitable trade for Tinsley.

[TattoodCats4life]

O'Brien and Pacers' President of Basketball Operations Larry Bird have asked Tinsley to stay away from the team by not attending team practices or games during the 2008-09 season. Tinsley has since requested a contract buyout through his agent, but Bird has insisted that Pacers' management will find a suitable trade for Tinsley.

This I've heard...and like I said found info about a bar fight he was in, but I just don't get why...His numbers from previous seasons were reasonable for a starting PG, did he have one of those "I'm the team" attitudes or "I'm not going to practice because I'm better than that" I just don't get why you'd not only bench but "get away from here" a 6-7 mil/year player with that much time left on the clock. Marbury I get, he's as much an asshole as May is fat... but Tinsley I can't dig up enough to grasp what the problem is...

[teej]

I would take tinsley if it brought something back, but only if they took ammo, may AND nazr...but theyd have to replace nazrs leadership

[SWedd523]

This I've heard...and like I said found info about a bar fight he was in, but I just don't get why...His numbers from previous seasons were reasonable for a starting PG, did he have one of those "I'm the team" attitudes or "I'm not going to practice because I'm better than that" I just don't get why you'd not only bench but "get away from here" a 6-7 mil/year player with that much time left on the clock. Marbury I get, he's as much an asshole as May is fat... but Tinsley I can't dig up enough to grasp what the problem is...
He's one of those asshole type players who thinks he's above being told what to do. I don't have any respect for people who don't know how to take criticism and work to get better. He's a waste of talent much the same as May and Morrison

[TattoodCats4life]

He's one of those asshole type players who thinks he's above being told what to do. I don't have any respect for people who don't know how to take criticism and work to get better. He's a waste of talent much the same as May and Morrison

Ah, so a player who gets into bar fights who doesn't listen to coaches... yeah they can keep him... LeBron + Tinsley = Nazr + may + ammo :) otherwise negative... that aside I honestly don't care for LeBron, he plays by a different set of rule due to his stardom (kinda like Kobe)...I don't care for that kind of player, we're a better team than that, we can play the right way, fairly (or unfairly based on which officials are betting on which games any given night). That's what's great about the Cats, we don't have an all star, but we still kick much ass ;)