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ohara831
02-05-2009, 09:58 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AnZAQOnk3CwAp9XgAdSkwjq8vLYF?slug=aw-stoudemiresuns020509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I know there are those here who despise the man after his comments about Charlotte. But I know this much - he could help this team. I dont know how much we'd have to include in a trade, but I'd package Crash without hesitating. Can you see a front line of Okafor and Amare, and playing Boris at the 3? That would be quite solid. But it would all hinge for me on Amare agreeing to an extension with Charlotte and not becoming a FA after next season.

If you can look past the seething hatred for his mouth running 100 mph in the past, I think most would agree he can be a great asset. You just have to let go of the anger. Now, if you can do that and still dont think he can help this team, so be it. Please tell me why. You might convince me, but it would be hard. The man can be quite a stud at the PF position.

WR19
02-05-2009, 10:08 PM
Amare does not play the best defense, especially help defense. I followed the Suns discussion threads when Lil Sean was still on the team, and the fans were disgusted by Amare's team defensive skills. They were also disappointed by his lack of rebounds for minutes played. He can be awesome on offense, but his defensive effort and lack of boards may not fit on a Larry Brown team.

G-Force for MVP
02-05-2009, 10:11 PM
i would take amare in a second but he will never come to charlotte

davcbow
02-05-2009, 10:23 PM
My question is why would he come here? He has never had anything good to say about this team, the management or anything else to do with this team....:cool:

SWedd523
02-05-2009, 10:25 PM
I'd take him in a heartbeat

JamieMcNeill
02-05-2009, 10:27 PM
I'd take him in a heartbeat
Agreed my man

TattoodCatswife
02-06-2009, 12:02 AM
I totally wouldn't mind him coming here

ohara831
02-06-2009, 05:50 AM
When he made those comments, the Suns were one of the best teams in the West, and we barely had the framework of a team which could be competitive. Now we do. To me, it all depends on what we would have to give up to get him. If too much, it would not be worth it. But with Okafor able to concentrate mostly on defense with Amare our scoring threat on the front line, Okafor would still get good looks inside and still avg a double double.

tamburello
02-06-2009, 06:48 AM
If that would be last season, I'd want him (I clearly remember the excitement here when we were landing Amare for nothing in 2007 draft night).

But now, we are headed to a completely different direction. This team cannot be a "one man's team" anymore. Amare would want to be "the man" here, but I don't see this possible. Why Amare creates problems in Phoenix is just because of that: After Shaq's arrival he was no longer the only choice at low post. Nash is almost done, I predict Amare will be a headache wherever he'll go from now on. He has high egoes

I have to go out now: to be continued...

ohara831
02-06-2009, 09:28 AM
I completely understand the criticism of Amare and his desire to be "the man". He cannot on that Phoenix team. But for the Cats, haven't we all be discussing how we do not have a "the man" on this team? We dont have one, and we need one. So I believe he will get more than sufficient touches on the Cats to make him happy. And they will be quality touches as there will be Okafor down low to make sure Amare isn't always double teamed.

amour217
02-06-2009, 09:28 AM
He's a great offensive force, but as has been reported ad nauseum, he can opt out of his contract prior to the 2010 season. Now I don't know Amare personally or anything like that, but nowadays it seems like 2 things speak most to a lot of athletes: money and winning. We've been looking really good at some points this season, but honestly I'm not sure we can be considered a "winning" team just yet. Amare will probably be unhappy coming here, he'll opt out and chase the big money, which means we'd pay a hefty ransom for him and then he'll just be a rental.

jstar5
02-06-2009, 09:38 AM
Well, the good thing about NBA athletes chasing the money is that the team that holds their rights has the ability to offer substantially more money and an extra year. So, even if Amar'e wanted to bolt we could probably flip him for something good in a S&T. I don't know that we would get back what we paid for him, and it's not a videogame so I doubt that much shuffling would be beneficial to the team.

My concern would be what we would have to give up, and if Boris would sink back in to his shell. I do love Amar'es game though and think he would be perfect next to Oak.

Chef
02-06-2009, 09:57 AM
do you really think he would get along with larry. amare has never had to play defense before and mike d'antoni is certainly known as a laisse faire coach. i'm not so sure it would be wise to pair him with larry for the sake of overall team chemistry.

dav7z
02-06-2009, 10:40 AM
Amare is a big time prick. He thinks hes too damn good to even visit Charlotte much less play for us. He made a statement about two years ago , he would rather play over seas than play for the sorry Bobcats. So i say screw that prick i don't want him in Charlotte at all hes nothing but trubble and will cause problems. Diaw is just as good if not better than the great Amare . Hell i wouldn't trade Morrison and May to get the lazy ass.

ohara831
02-06-2009, 10:58 AM
Amour: I know that he has that opt out. That is why I would not do the deal unless we know from he and his agent that we have an agreement on an extension which will also then do away with the opt out concern. I would not do this deal if we were only going to have him for this season and next.

Dav7z: I'd seriously consider a trade of May and Morison for a bag of chips. At least it can contribute something, like tasting good with a sandwich!

tamburello
02-06-2009, 11:15 AM
The main point I wanted to stress is that how Diaw and Amare will gel. You might remember that Diaw won MIP in the season that Amare missed because of microfracture surgery. After Amare came back, his production decreased steadily. If we put them together again, Boris will not have the chance to hold the ball, because of Amare's presence. Considering how well Boris plays in Charlotte, I don't want to spoil it. Adding that Amare doesn't play any defense helps me in making my mind up about him.

I say a clear "no" to Amare. Go and corrupt somewhere else's chemistry.

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
02-06-2009, 11:17 AM
i don't think boris would fare well as a 3 , he is not quick enough.

amare just doesnt seem as a good fit for us, the biggest points already made are : defensive intensity/rebounding, personality/ego

we don't need an allstar to get better..we just need some depth in our bench, specifically a reliable backup PF & SF.

Slam
02-06-2009, 11:36 AM
Chris Bosh >>>> FIGJAM

Weezy21
02-06-2009, 12:20 PM
id rather be a 3rd team in a deal involving amare...an get sumthin like this...

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

Trade ID #4976976 (http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4976976)


Bobcats- Salmons, Bobby Brown, Matt Barnes

Suns- Brad Miller, Felton, Bobcats draft pick

Kings- Amare, Shannon Brown, Morrison

amour217
02-06-2009, 12:34 PM
id rather be a 3rd team in a deal involving amare...an get sumthin like this...

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

Trade ID #4976976 (http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4976976)


Bobcats- Salmons, Bobby Brown, Matt Barnes

Suns- Brad Miller, Felton, Bobcats draft pick

Kings- Amare, Shannon Brown, Morrison

If he would come WITH the Gumby haircut, I'd do this deal in a heartbeat

ohara831
02-06-2009, 01:42 PM
Chris Bosh >>>> FIGJAM

I love Bosh. But all that talk of him wanting out, I'm not so sure. I dont see Toronto dealing him either. I was just thinking of Amare only because of the story out tht Phoenix is open to trading him now. But I would rather have Bosh, absolutely.

ALuhrs704
02-06-2009, 02:23 PM
Bosh is going with Lebron in '10. Amare, wants the cash so realistically if we got amare he would probably want to stay if we gave him that superstar fat deal. (or sean may fat deal since he has alot of fat). As said, i like what we have right now but we are 1 legit scorer away from seriously contending. But idk what it would take to get amare, and i feel like it may be too much. Plus we already dealt with phx once so im guessing it'd be a three team situation.

Ampsportsduo
02-06-2009, 09:56 PM
If the Cats picked up Amare, Boris would quickly become the moody bench player that Phoenix fans remember.

ohara831
02-06-2009, 10:29 PM
If the Cats picked up Amare, Boris would quickly become the moody bench player that Phoenix fans remember.

That might be, if Boris was on the bench. I want Boris to play the 3. He can handle it.

dnbman
02-07-2009, 08:03 AM
That might be, if Boris was on the bench. I want Boris to play the 3. He can handle it.

But does that mean we trade Wallace or move him to the bench? Despite suggestions early in his career, I don't think Wallace can play the 2.

You have to admit: the idea of Wallace and Amare attacking the rim with our pgs is pretty fun to imagine. We'd have to average 5 alley-oops a game.

spectre
02-07-2009, 08:13 AM
That might be, if Boris was on the bench. I want Boris to play the 3. He can handle it.

I don't think he can, at least no better than average. See QCH in the Utah recap.

That's the thing...if we were to trade for him or Bosh I think Diaw would have to be going out and Mek would have to be staying. Otherwise we'd be struggling just as badly as their former teams and we'd be assured of losing either in FA.

BobCatsFanInTx
02-07-2009, 01:06 PM
Most star quality players don't want to go to a small market team. I would believe this would be the case with Amare. In Phoenix he has been used to plenty of exposure and even a much deminished Phoenix is still a team capable of being a top six seed in the West. If he comes to Charlotte he would have to be assured that adding him to the Bobcats would significantly upgrade the team. That would in turn at some point give him the national exposure he seeks. Talent wise I would love to have him but my fear is that he would not be the type player who would fit in a Larry Brown scheme. On paper I can see no reason not to try and trade for him but how that would affect team chemistry I can't say.

The other setback to trading for Amare' is the fact that I don't think the Suns want to be called Bobcat Lite. Our Bobcats have already made a trade to bring in two Suns and it arguably made our team better while Phoenix really did not take a step forward. I doubt their is anything on our Bobcats team good enough to trade to Phoenix unless we somehow could trade both Felton and Crash. Since I don't think that works I am doubtful anything will happen. Also Phoenix would be sorely lacking for a replacement for Amare'. If they could get half as much back in compensation they may go for it. Still our bench is lacking any really decent big men to send in trade.

AmMo must at some point be a player our Bobcats send in trade. This guy is not overweight and has had his chances to play well but still is soft and does not contribute much of anything most nights. If Phoenix would take a chance on our garbage that would be a big plus.

Trading Crash would hurt us significantly at the three. I don't think that would be wise now that I think about it. You see how far our favorite team has fallen without Crash. I think a healthy Crash makes a trade unnecessary and not a wise decision.

This latest injury was not a Crash injury and was an injury that could have happened to any of our players taking it hard to the hoop. So injury prone in this instance does not count in my opinion. I feel the team is best to stand pat for the rest of this season. Chemistry is not a problem on our favorite team and I would hate to mess with that as of now. Unless of coarse we can get some depth by dumping garbage.

BRNC
02-07-2009, 02:25 PM
That might be, if Boris was on the bench. I want Boris to play the 3. He can handle it.

I don't think he's quick enough to handle most 3s...