shannon brown and morrison gone to the lakers

[ballwhore]

i love it and im back

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Damn, you're back, I bid serenity on this message board farewell.

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http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=3350

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/07/sports/s121756S24.DTL

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AoKvwvwVMaKgZod2RY8bXj68vLYF?slug=ap-lakers-bobcatstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

...buh bye Adam.

[dnbman]

Hmmm... Vlad is mediocre, but he fits with my criteria for players we acquire: that they can play basketball.

I like the options this will give us in the front court.


Next item for business: do we acquire another player in a trade or sign another d-leaguer?

[SirBobcat]

WHAT A STUPID TRADE! This does not make sense! I will be very surprised if this one works out for the Bobcats.

ESPN MVP texted me saying Radmonovic is off to Charlotte for Morrison and Brown.

[SirBobcat]

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/release_radmanovic_090207.html

[dnbman]

WHAT A STUPID TRADE! This does not make sense! I will be very surprised if this one works out for the Bobcats.

ESPN MVP texted me saying Radmonovic is off to Charlotte for Morrison and Brown.

Well... we get a forward who can contribute in the NBA for a guy who seems to have lost his spark and a career d-leaguer. Again, it's not great, but it's hardly bad.


Although, we did just more or less surrender in the '10 free agency war, barring more trades.

I like it. And if we're don't have Wallace for a bit, I think a combination of Diaw and Radmonovic could work for a brief time.

Again, this fits our M.O.: acquire basketball players that can actually contribute.

[tamburello]

God dammit. Maybe the worst trade ever of Bobcats history. Please somebody explain me what Radman can do here which he didn't do in LA? I'm sure all Lakers fans are partying now. Not only for the pieces they got, but also the trash they've unloaded at us.

Why are we supposed to collect all the disastrous MLE signings of recent NBA history? Firstly Nazr Mohammed from Pistons, then DeSagana Diop from Mavs and now Radmanovic. Who's next, Luke Walton or Jerome James? Who the hell employed us cleaning the sh.t other teams did?

I don't want the trashes of other teams anymore.

[SirBobcat]

I mean In LB We Trust, but man I don't see how this works out for the Bobcats. I guess they saw enough of Morrison and we'll probably see Martin signed to fill in Brown's hole, so I guess it's not so horrible. Rad is going to contribute more than Morrison (sadly)

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

WHAT A STUPID TRADE! This does not make sense! I will be very surprised if this one works out for the Bobcats.

ESPN MVP texted me saying Radmonovic is off to Charlotte for Morrison and Brown.

How's it a stupid deal? Morrison obviously wasn't going to work here, Brown was a little sparkplug that I liked but still we bring in another guy who can play and with more minutes and a lack of a Kobe type player he could possibly blossom like Diaw has. Seems like we got a pretty good deal in my opinion. Plus Vlad the Great can hit the three with some consistency stretching the defense a bit more which will add a new dimension here. I always defended Ammo but fuck me! If he can't score more than 4 points playing 20+ minutes and starting then he's a lost cause here. I like the trade and I'm still pulling for him and hope he does okay for himself. Good trade in my opinion.

[SirBobcat]

How's it a stupid deal? Morrison obviously wasn't going to work here, Brown was a little sparkplug that I liked but still we bring in another guy who can play and with more minutes and a lack of a Kobe type player he could possibly blossom like Diaw has. Seems like we got a pretty good deal in my opinion. Plus Vlad the Great can hit the three with some consistency stretching the defense a bit more which will add a new dimension here. I always defended Ammo but fuck me! If he can't score more than 4 points playing 20+ minutes and starting then he's a lost cause here. I like the trade and I'm still pulling for him and hope he does okay for himself. Good trade in my opinion.

Read above your post? I got time to calm down and think it through. I am a big Morrison fan, so yeah...

[SirBobcat]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3891214

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Read above your post? I got time to calm down and think it through. I am a big Morrison fan, so yeah...

Sorry man! I didn't see the other one. Yeah I really liked Morrison too and was ecstatic when we drafted him. Hopefully he'll go out west and regain his spark, I just wish it would have happened this past week. As for "Radmo" which I think he should be referred to as from now I like you said in your other post say ILBIT and I don't think he's lead us astray so far, Diop's starting to come into his own so I can't wait to see what Larry can do with Radmo.

RADMO!

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We gave up an Even and in turn got ourselves a 2 inch taller Steven. :)

Lakers fans are rejoicing at the fact that Adam's contract expires next offseason making it a bit easier for the Lakers to re-sign Trevor and Odom. In turn, Charlotte gets a poor defender (maybe even poorer than Adam) with a far more consistent outside shot.

[SWedd523]

Well... He's our SF for the time being until Crash returns? Vlad is a career 9/4/2 guy who can hit from the outside with more confidence than what Morrison had.

I just hate to lose Brown and think we could've gotten a better deal, but oh well. ILBIT

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

We gave up an Even and in turn got ourselves a 2 inch taller Steven. :)

Lakers fans are rejoicing at the fact that Adam's contract expires next offseason making it a bit easier for the Lakers to re-sign Trevor and Odom. Charlotte gets a poor defender (maybe even poorer than Adam) with a far more consistant outside shooting.

The defense I can live with as long as he's hitting those outside shots. Which if I'm correct was Brown's main gripe, if you can't play D at least fucking score haha. So hopefully he'll come in and give us that boost that we need scoring wise and once we get Raja back and Gerald we should be a pretty solid team, and another BIG IF but a slightly ridiculous hope is that May gets down to weight, comes in and plays like a man possessed, not only will he be in shape but he will have a half season's rest so he should be able to get stronger as the season goes on. Needless to say I'll have to sacrifice 18.6 goats to the guy from Temple of Doom for that to happen, so if anyone's got a spare goat send it my way.

[SirBobcat]

I think the lineup of: Okafor/Diaw/Bell/Augustin/Felton would be best with Radmo coming off the bench.

When Bell is fine that is.

[dnbman]

I just hate to lose Brown and think we could've gotten a better deal, but oh well. ILBIT

Yeah, but virtually all of the better deals dreamed up on this board involved the other team's management being completely blind to his NBA career, remembering only his glory days at Gonzaga.

The reality is, Adam doesn't look like much in the NBA. The Lakers are actually a great place for him because he can go play there with no pressure on him what so ever. He can build back confidence and perhaps become an NBA player.

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The Lakers are actually a great place for him because he can go play there
I don't think he'll see many minutes, what with Walton and Ariza filling up the SF spot.

[SWedd523]

Yeah, but virtually all of the better deals dreamed up on this board involved the other team's management being completely blind to his NBA career, remembering only his glory days at Gonzaga.

The reality is, Adam doesn't look like much in the NBA. The Lakers are actually a great place for him because he can go play there with no pressure on him what so ever. He can build back confidence and perhaps become an NBA player.
I don't care about Morrison. He could go to Boston or Cleveland for all I care. I'm more concerned with losing Brown's energy as we lost two guys, one being one of our better bench players (and a guy I thought MJ loved) for one guy.

[Ghost Kat]

Looks like Martin just earned a spot for the rest of the year. He's been more productive in two games then Morrison has been all year. Thats why he got traded.

Don't understand who the Back up SG is now since We traded Brown. Maybe another D-leaguer, probably can't afford any more free agents.

[MattD]

God dammit. Maybe the worst trade ever of Bobcats history. Please somebody explain me what Radman can do here which he didn't do in LA? I'm sure all Lakers fans are partying now. Not only for the pieces they got, but also the trash they've unloaded at us.

are you joking... the trash that they unloaded to us can at least play... Adam Morrison was wasting a roster spot and uselessly costing us 5mm per. wow what a great "piece"

shannon brown, well i loved him at times, is just not a good reserve yet, he isnt there. this is a good trade, it continues to help us play smarter basketball. radmonovic can shoot and can rebound, he can play 4 in a pickle. this is a good trade.

[SWedd523]

I don't think he'll see many minutes, what with Walton and Ariza filling up the SF spot.
Exactly. I think it's more of a salary dump on their behalf so they can try and resign Odom, and it seems like we bailed them out a little bit...

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Does anybody think Adam is going to shed a few tears for a city that fostered him over the past three years ?? :biggrin:

[MattD]

i hatte to say it, but shannon brown is a dime a dozen in the nba. decent shooter, incredibly athletic, no bball iq. gerald green, shannon brown, and many others who have big expectations they cannot meet. losing him is far from disastrous

[dnbman]

Exactly. I think it's more of a salary dump on their behalf so they can try and resign Odom, and it seems like we bailed them out a little bit...

That's true. But, I'm saying, he can play a few minutes here and there for the Lakers and nobody will really care. Where as, every time he stepped on the court here, the audience was waiting for him to show why he was the third pick.

Of course he's not going to play big minutes, but he won't be overly scrutinized in LA like he was here. Morrison can rebuild his confidence in the shadows of Bryant and perhaps become a baller a year or two from now.

[coordinator0]

This trade is alright if Vlad can play the three. I haven't watched many LAL games, but I got the impression that he played the 4 more than the 3. I wonder what D-Leaguer we will bring in... Coby Karl? I'm waiting for the reports that we are going to make a big trade since we have an open roster spot lol.

Another thing I would like to add... We traded for an international player, and he isn't French or doesn't speak French! I am stunned...

[SWedd523]

This trade is alright if Vlad can play the three. I haven't watched many LAL games, but I got the impression that he played the 4 more than the 3. I wonder what D-Leaguer we will bring in... Coby Karl? I'm waiting for the reports that we are going to make a big trade since we have an open roster spot lol.
ESPN says he's a SF

[TattoodCats4life]

All i can say is "ILBIT" and damn, i mean who would have thought we were going to trade with the lakers, the suns and the mavs all in one year...

Now...what to do with newly opened roster spot 15?

[bobcats_express]

i suppose Ammo was disappointing so its ok to see him go
i think we will probably sign a d-league player or something for the last spot

[SWedd523]

I was personally expecting/hoping something more along the lines of: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~568~3016~3002~617&teams=13~13~13~30~30&te=&cash=

[RixFan16]

1. This trade doesn't work on the ESPN Trade Machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2992~3016~2421&teams=13~13~30&te=&cash==
2. Couldn't we at least have gotten Sun Yue out of the deal?
3. I am ok with this trade. Vlad > AMMO & Cartier > Brown. But only time will tell...

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I have no doubt that Adam, the great shooter he is, will flourish in the triangle offense. That is out of the question. He's gonna have looks that he has never seen before playing alongside the likes of Pau, Bynum, LO and Kobe.

If Jaxx can make Cook and Smush serviceable, he can make a former star in college back to what he usually was.
The majority of Lakers fans over at RealGM are optimistic about Adam.


Coby Karl?
He's playing in Spain (Joventut), saw the DKV v Unicaja game earlier today, he actually seems like a decent forward, wonder why the managment didn't think of him sooner, oh well...

[TattoodCatswife]

I'm ok with this trade. I am happy to see Adam go as he wasn't doing anything here and at least maybe Rad can get us some points now that we were lacking from Adam. I'm sad to part with Shannon though but LB has gotta do what he has gotta do to make our team a better team.

[TattoodCats4life]

i suppose Ammo was disappointing so its ok to see him go
i think we will probably sign a d-league player or something for the last spot

Cartier Martin was in the 15th spot, this trade was 2 for 1 so we now have a NEW open spot for either another trade or for another d-league player of our choosing.

[TattoodCats4life]

I think we should have grabbed Sun in this trade though, LA doesn't play him anyway :)

[davcbow]

I like the trade myself, like others have already said he has an outside shot and can rebound. Adam wasnt doing jack here and after Shannons 2 bad plays in a row in the last minute of the game, goodbye.... Adam hope all goes well for you and Shannon in LA LA Land...:cool:

[TattoodCatswife]

I like the trade myself, like others have already said he has an outside shot and can rebound. Adam wasnt doing jack here and after Shannons 2 bad plays in a row in the last minute of the game, goodbye.... Adam hope all goes well for you and Shannon in LA LA Land...:cool:

Yeah I feel for bad Shannon though..he had those two bad plays and he gets traded literally the next day lol

[amour217]

While I think unloading Morrison was long-overdue, I think it might've been nice to deal an expiring for an expiring to give us more offseason flexibility. I will say this, while Radmanovic isn't a superstar, he can actually contribute and knock some shots down, which - sadly - Ammo was no longer good at. I think in light of the injuries to Bell and Crash and the uncertainty of Felton's situation, it's interesting to see how we're trying to keep the season afloat by cobbling together a team on the fly...I think we can all admit that Cartier Martin has been a pleasant surprise so far, so we'll see what we can get with Vlady

[dav7z]

We can,t lose trading Ammo at this point . Ammo wasn't producing at all on either side of the ball. But with Bell down we have nothing at all at the two position.
I expect May with his expiring to be traded in the next few days . He might actually get us a nice s/g who can be a nice back up or start when needed. He has much more value than Ammo, by his contract expiring. Mays gone for a s/g by trade deadline.

[dnbman]

Let's do this: we'll give Vlad three games to prove he can contribute more than Shannon and Ammo. If he doesn't, we'll cut his legs off.

[amour217]

Let's do this: we'll give Vlad three games to prove he can contribute more than Shannon and Ammo. If he doesn't, we'll cut his legs off.

in Soviet Russia, legs cut you off

[dnbman]

in Soviet Russia, legs cut you off

Amour, you should seriously consider joining a PhD program in cultural studies, focusing on internet phenomena and viral media. You'd own.

I'd take your class.

[amour217]

Amour, you should seriously consider joining a PhD program in cultural studies, focusing on internet phenomena and viral media. You'd own.

I'd take your class.

Modern American LOLing 101. First assignment: do the Peanut Butter Jelly Time song and dance in front of Sean May and try not to be eaten.

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do the Peanut Butter Jelly Time song and dance in front of Sean May and try not to be eaten.
... a suicide mission.

[amour217]

... a suicide mission.

pwn-ing is sure to ensue...

Assignment 2: Rick Roll bobcats fans via the giant screen at the arena

Assignment 3: Discuss the merits of the de-motivational in a post-cheezburger world

[Ghost Kat]

Ok, This is the 3rd trade this year, I'll ask the same question ...Is this a good trade? We just lost a starting SG for two games we really need to win. Just traded his back -up and Wallace's back up who is also hurt. Just signed a somewhat promising rookie to a 2nd 10 day. Just got DJ back after missing ten games. Then we bring in another Big, who can play, but.. I'll have to see how he works in the system...ILBIT:hypo:

[tamburello]

Guys, why don't you understand? I had no expectations from Morrison and I'm not even sad about Brown's departure. What drives me mad is the arrival of Radmanovic. He's a total waste, believe me he is not an upgrade over Morrison or something like that. He was one of the most unnecessary players who somehow signed MLE.

Are you all people gone mad? This season is done. Forget the playoffs. Why LB tries to save the day with such a trade? Why does he try to fill the absence of GW who will come back only after ASG? Why doesn't he just let both players' contracts expire?

This trade is a carboncopy of the Nazr Mohammed trade 2 years ago. Nazr was decent for a few weeks, then he became expendable and completely f.cked our cap. So will Radmanovic.

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

in Soviet Russia, legs cut you off

Hahahaha you're fucking gold man! If I ever strike it rich I'm giving you enough to support yourself so you can become a stand up comedian or something.

[Ampsportsduo]

This quote from the AP report explains it all, "The move is the third trade the Bobcats have made this season in a roster shakeup under Brown, who is trying to get the fifth-year Bobcats to the playoffs for the first time."

Getting to the playoffs is the goal.

[amour217]

Hahahaha you're fucking gold man! If I ever strike it rich I'm giving you enough to support yourself so you can become a stand up comedian or something.

lol thanks...I've actually thought of trying my hand at stand-up...maybe one day...

[spectre]

Ok, This is the 3rd trade this year, I'll ask the same question ...Is this a good trade? We just lost a starting SG for two games we really need to win. Just traded his back -up and Wallace's back up who is also hurt. Just signed a somewhat promising rookie to a 2nd 10 day. Just got DJ back after missing ten games. Then we bring in another Big, who can play, but.. I'll have to see how he works in the system...ILBIT:hypo:

They obviously had this deal done before Raja went down. On the plus side expect DJ to get a lot of PT.

I'm just glad Morrison is gone. He was always going to be an issue because Bernie took him with the 3rd pick, and he'd NEVER come close to living up to it. Rad will at least come in and help vs. hurt us like Morrison did.

Besides, it appears Rad can actually hit some shots.

[ziggy]

Guys, why don't you understand? I had no expectations from Morrison and I'm not even sad about Brown's departure. What drives me mad is the arrival of Radmanovic. He's a total waste, believe me he is not an upgrade over Morrison or something like that. He was one of the most unnecessary players who somehow signed MLE.

Are you all people gone mad? This season is done. Forget the playoffs. Why LB tries to save the day with such a trade? Why does he try to fill the absence of GW who will come back only after ASG? Why doesn't he just let both players' contracts expire?

This trade is a carboncopy of the Nazr Mohammed trade 2 years ago. Nazr was decent for a few weeks, then he became expendable and completely f.cked our cap. So will Radmanovic.

Tamburello, I have to admit that I haven't paid much attention to Radmanovic, but in your honest opinion you feel that he is worse than Morrison?? Adam has been horrible.

[amour217]

Tamburello, I have to admit that I haven't paid much attention to Radmanovic, but in your honest opinion you feel that he is worse than Morrison?? Adam has been horrible.

Seriously, the only way we would've gotten worse than Morrison was trading him for a one-legged midget with no hands...

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Assignment 2: Rick Roll bobcats fans via the giant screen at the arena

"Esteemed Bobcats fans, please divert your gaze off your blackberries to the sky screen and enjoy the lady-cats' dressing room peep show...

...

..

.

We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what I'm thinking of...

ahem, excuse me...

[tamburello]

Tamburello, I have to admit that I haven't paid much attention to Radmanovic, but in your honest opinion you feel that he is worse than Morrison?? Adam has been horrible.

Adam might be the worst of the three players involved. It's not a discussion subject for me. What I object is, desperation trades never give positive outcomes in the long term. We won't make playoffs and I'm sure LB is fully aware about that considering the schedule and injuries. If you will not make it, why are you willing to pay Vlade a huge amount of money in coming years?

As I said in my previous post, this trade has no difference at all from Nazz trade and just like now we all are bitter about it, we will be about Vlade trade. This is not a situation of "better than doing nothing". We could have done nothing.

I hope time proves me wrong.

[tamburello]

Lastly, put the name of Nazr instead of Vlade, put the name of Primoz instead of Adam, and put the name of Fabio instead of Shannon Brown and please convince me that these are not actually the same.

Gosh, all the Lakers fans I see are laughing at us. They regard this trade as light-"Gasol trade".

[BRNC]

This quote from the AP report explains it all, "The move is the third trade the Bobcats have made this season in a roster shakeup under Brown, who is trying to get the fifth-year Bobcats to the playoffs for the first time."

Getting to the playoffs is the goal.

It is a funny move for a coach that lives by defense (since the Rad has little to none) but it will give a scorer off the bench and we need one...I just don't see him starting...but I could be wrong!:g:

[G-Force for MVP]

thank god morrison is gone

[b-nukle]

Glad we got someone who can knockdown 3's. Now time to get rid of Mohammed. Hope Adam can turn his career around in LA. This sucks for Vlade. He goes from a top 2 team to a team that is struggling for its first playoffs appearance. Hope this makes our bench better.

[ammofan]

wow........I am shocked. I was outside shooting hoops and my mom came out and told me he was traded. WOW...this is bittersweet news......

I gotta get a Lakers jersey now.... :(

[ammofan]

thank god morrison is gone

same thing the Lakers fans are sayin' bout Vlad. Don't be too happy

[ArcandiaS]

I'm so disappointed to see Shannon leave Bobcats now. Even if he made two huge errors in last game, I think he brings a lot of energy from the bench. He's a good player... very disappointing...

For Radmanovic, wait & see, but I guess you were not all happy when you heard that Diaw arrives in Charlotte but now he has a good influence on this team.
Maybe Rad' will be a good complement.

[G-Force for MVP]

much rather have vlad then morrison

[SirBobcat]

We should call him VladRad

[amour217]

We should call him VladRad

Or Vladzilla/Radzilla

[Slam]

Kobe is going to eat Ammo alive.

If Ammo had a confidence problem before, he's sure as shit in trouble playing with a perfectionist who has no problem in chewing his team mates out openly on court during play while the network cameras are on him.

I wish him well though. I was a big fan of his at Gonzaga and I hope he can find himself in LA.

I'm just glad we can start to put that blown draft pick behind us and start to move forward.

[GoBobs]

Well vlads contract has this year and next year right? so.... it's really the same number of years as morrison since we picked up his option. vlad has less upside but morrison was killing us. I hope the guy can get a fresh start but I am also glad this era is over in charlotte. The only thing I don't like is we chose to trade him when his stock was down for another guy who sucks. It would be damn nice if we could package nazr and rad to a team who thought they were valuable for the money.

[spectre]

No, we picked up an extra year of salary as Rad has a player option in 10/11 where Ammo only had a qualifying offer which doesn't have to be picked up.

Agreed with Slam...glad it's past us.

[GOBOBCATS24]

Vlad is shooting great from 3 this year and he gives us a guy that can actually make shots. Adam Morrison was great when he first came into the NBA, but the injury absolutely killed his skills and this is a great trade on our part. This just gives us a guy that can easily score 15 off the bench and if he has some renewed confidence, he may be what we need to play at that next level. Morrison has sucked all year. As far as Shannon Brown goes, I think he was just a piece of the puzzle. I am a huge Lakers fan, hence the 24 in my name, but I am also a pretty big Bobcats fan since I live in NC. I go to Bobcats games and am becoming more and more fond of them every day. I think this is a great move and us Bobcats fans need to applaud our front office for getting us another knockdown 3 p shooter who can help spread the floor and thus make our inside game better while at the same time can drain threes like theres no tomorrow. I hope Larry gets a hold of his mind and makes him realize that whatever he does effects our team in a major way. GO BOBCATS

[ohara831]

I for one am very happy with this trade. I like Vlad and think he will be a very solid contributor off the bench for us. I've watched several Laker games last year and this year. And I recall many a time when he was draining 3's. He will contribute in ways we only hoped Adam could do for us. And S. Brown, well, he was only a part timer for us so it is fine with me. I am excited about what Vlad will do for us and believe that after we see him nail some 3's in games and we start to win again, everyone will be praising this trade. I TRUST!

[SirBobcat]

Vlad the Impaler?

[TattoodCatswife]

I'm so disappointed to see Shannon leave Bobcats now. Even if he made two huge errors in last game, I think he brings a lot of energy from the bench. He's a good player... very disappointing...

For Radmanovic, wait & see, but I guess you were not all happy when you heard that Diaw arrives in Charlotte but now he has a good influence on this team.
Maybe Rad' will be a good complement.

Yeah, his energy is totally going to be missed. I got very happy whenever Larry brought him in off the bench cuz I knew we were going to be seeing some dunks :)

[davcbow]

ILBIT ------------ I trust Larry....:cool:

[BETCATS]

I love this.

[JamieMcNeill]

Because i trust Larry and dont particularly like either morrison or brown too much to be overly upset about this, i like it.

I see the word spark used over and over for shannon. and while he was good for that and the occasional points explosion i dont believe he and captain worthless "scorer" add up to a solid contributor who can bring scoring off the bench once crash is back.

Plus this sets us up to sign Cartier.

Only regret: Morrison would be worth so much more if we waited till next year when hes expiring

[coordinator0]

Maybe Vlad can turn into a Turkoglu-ish type of player. Their styles and build are pretty similar. If that's the case, this would be the second trade this year we've done good on. Possibly the third if Diop starts producing...

[docend24]

:banghead: No Sun Yue :banghead: No extra bunches of streaming link :banghead:

[docend24]

[quote=GOBOBCATS24;115061... I am a huge Lakers fan, hence the 24 in my name...[/quote]

For the record: the number 24 in my nickname has nothing to do with Lakers. Nothing. At all.

[docend24]

Just heard Phil Jackson saying Ammo is a spot up shooter - I'm feeling bad for Adam if Phil really consider him to be a spot up shooter.

I'm undecide on the trade, we didn't lose anything major, on the other hand Radmanović's contract is not the nicest one but I have to trust it could be another good trade for us. I smell some call up from D-league soon. I really thik we could got a better dealm, at least I hope so - May is still on our roster and we din't get Sun Yue. I would much rather like Ammo+May for Vlad+Sun, Shannon as a throw in if they really wanted him. (didn't checked it in trade machine but it should work)

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I would have loved Sun Yu. All of a sudden, we have another player that could become an allstar =p

[ziggy]

Kobe is going to eat Ammo alive.

If Ammo had a confidence problem before, he's sure as shit in trouble playing with a perfectionist who has no problem in chewing his team mates out openly on court during play while the network cameras are on him.


Slam,
Those were my thoughts EXACTLY. After a week or so of seeing Adam shoot 36% from the field, Kobe is going to rip him a new one.

[davcbow]

Slam,
Those were my thoughts EXACTLY. After a week or so of seeing Adam shoot 36% from the field, Kobe is going to rip him a new one.

Maybe thats exactly what he needs....:cool:

[teej]

Maybe thats exactly what he needs....:cool:
Don't you think thats what larry's been doing?

As for me, I love it, we trade a kid (Shannon) who, while he has energy, lacks more than a little grey matter, and AmMo wasnt doing jack shit for us at all, and Vlad the Impaler gives us a bigger version of Carroll off the bench

ILBIT, but I would do it anyways

And to Docend (I think it was you, idk), I dont think Sun would have worked $$ wise, but I'm not sure

[TattoodCats4life]

in Soviet Russia, legs cut you off

In Soviet Russia the ball rebounds you!

[Slam]

Slam,
Those were my thoughts EXACTLY. After a week or so of seeing Adam shoot 36% from the field, Kobe is going to rip him a new one.
The 1st time it happens, and it will happen, it's going to be like when you were about 12 years old and you go over to your buddies place after school to play and his mum and dad get into a fight and start yelling at each other. Your buddy is upset and all you can do is look at the ground and think "awkward and embarrassing - and I feel sorry for my buddy".

While Ammo is a pretty smart dude (so I don't think he'll have any trouble working out the triangle), I think being on a team with a guy as demanding as Kobe might be the worst possible place for him.

[TattoodCats4life]

:banghead: No Sun Yue :banghead: No extra bunches of streaming link :banghead:

When I read about the trade I was hoping the find out he was a "toss in" like we tossed in a second round pick, really was thinking of you!

[teej]

Well my B I went through and I woulda worked, I guess LB didnt want him...

[SirBobcat]

QUOTE OF THE DAY

“In my opinion, it was a goal-tend,” Shannon Brown said. “I know the coaches and players have confidence in me.”

[Slam]

QUOTE OF THE DAY

“In my opinion, it was a goal-tend,” Shannon Brown said. “I know the coaches and players have confidence in me.”

In my opinion you should have kicked the ball out to the right where Bling (who was hot all night) was wide open for the game tying three ball.

[SirBobcat]

They had so much confidence in him that they shipped his ass out the next day.

[SirBobcat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcNJOo4Z4k0

[ALong13]

I like this trade, Shannon Brown is an idiot IMO, I don't believe he has any basketball IQ and I think Larry Brown got tired of his formal "pet project"...Morrison was just sucking it up...at least Radman can score when giving his time..plus I think Martin stays for the season now....

what a makeover though...

Felton (Augustin, Singletary)
Bell (?? Martin)
Wallace (Radman)
Diaw (Howard, May)
Okafor (Diop, Nazr, Ajinca)

[teej]

Kinda camera shy but pretty good...

[SirBobcat]

Kinda camera shy but pretty good...

What? You don't have a nice warm fleece blanket!? :D

[teej]

What? You don't have a nice warm fleece blanket!? :D

More like "Wh-What....you don't have a nice...warmfleeceblanket?

[SirBobcat]

More like "Wh-What....you don't have a nice...warmfleeceblanket?

LOL! +1 rep

[teej]

Morrison, who cut his trademark hair short before this season, will get a chance to crack the Lakers' rotation and become an outside scoring threat.

He can't cut it in our rotation but he has a great shot in theirs....right

[Slam]

He can't cut it in our rotation but he has a great shot in theirs....right
There is a very good chance that surrounded by guys like Kobe, Gasol and Odom that Ammo might get more open looks....................it's just that wide open looks aren't his thing. Scoring from the post and being allowed the time to execute is his thing.........two things he'll have less chance to do for them than he did for us.

Honestly, like W_Hamilton said at RGM weeks ago: Ammo needs to be on a team desperate for scorers - like the Thunder - or even as the SF on the Raps.

[BobcatsAllDay]

I can't see it either. Jared Dudley, Ryan Hollins, and Matt Caroll have logged a lot of DNP's since their respective trades. Can't see that trend changing for Adam. I will say playing alongside the best player in the league things could change....my guess is he will be sitting beside Josh Powell most nights.

[BobcatsAllDay]

Shannon made one mistake too many versus the Hawks or the Lakers loved what they saw from him a couple of weeks ago.

[ALuhrs704]

Finally the day comes we dont have ammo, i know everyone likes him cuz of his uniqueness and wat he did in college, but he sucked this year. He had 2 good games and was incredibly inconsistent and he played no d. He was horrible on switching and normally fouled every guy when they were one on one. Im going to miss shannon because he was an energy guy who could make a 3 or steal or dunk to keep us in the game. But proved he wasnt clutch by bad decisions last night. Vlad hopefully can play better D being 6 10 and i know he can shoot the 3. I mean he started in seattle, and has playoff experience. But i woulda never thought we would trade both carrol and morrison. Now all we need to dump is nazri, and if we can get a 2 (back up) that can score. Glad we get a little more deeper when our squad is fully healthy. I read he is flying to miami so hopefully we can watch him tomorow night. But it takes time to adjust

[teej]

Finally the day comes we dont have ammo, i know everyone likes him cuz of his uniqueness and wat he did in college,

ha....haa....ha no


Now all we need to dump is nazri, and if we can get a 2 (back up) that can score.

You want to keep May??

[Alex]

Good trade.

[teej]

Found this, pretty good summary

http://www.newjerseynetsnews.com/jfro/weblog/6473/radmanovic-trade-a-mistake-for-lakers.html

[tamburello]

I'm amazed with the optimism here about Vlade (even someone said he can become a Hedo!?!?!, who had the complete package when he was 21). Fine then.

About the article, Lakers did the trade only for financial savings, not about the outgoing or incoming players. This trade is done only for keeping Ariza and possibly Odom, nothing else. Everything they get out of Adam is bonus.

I wish Radmanovic can get the confidence which he had in LAC.

[Schultz_Bennett_Stern]

I used to be a Sonics fan so I watched Vlad alot. The problem with Vlad is he's really not a good 3 or 4. He's a good 6th or 7th man on a good basketball team. He is a great shooter when he is open. The problem is when he play's the 3 he's to slow to defend. He's a bad defender period. He won't creat shots for himself. He's to small and unagressive to play the 4, even in the East I would guess. Seems like a bad trade for both teams.

Aft

[teej]

I'm amazed with the optimism here about Vlade (even someone said he can become a Hedo!?!?!, who had the complete package when he was 21). Fine then.

About the article, Lakers did the trade only for financial savings, not about the outgoing or incoming players. This trade is done only for keeping Ariza and possibly Odom, nothing else. Everything they get out of Adam is bonus.

I wish Radmanovic can get the confidence which he had in LAC.

Well the one thing a Bobcats fan has to be is optimistic, otherwise there will be a rise in the suicide total :o. LB has a way with players, and unless he is wayyyyyyy off, Vlad should be a good addition, and its not like we were going to play in Free Agency anyway...

[RELAXTV]

I'm really late to the party...

My thoughts on this trade is...

We finally get some bench depth for the long run (next year)
We're going to have to fight it off without Bell or Crash for another 2 or 3 weeks, and I'm sure we're not gonna climb back this year.

Cool, we get a draft pick (hopefully top 3 so we can get that kid from 'Zona State) for more depth, and next year, we'd have a nice lineup of:

PG DJ or Felts/Lil Sean
SG Bell/ Draft pick
SF Crash/ Vlad
PF Diaw/ Howard (or a veteran for the minimum)/Ajinca
C Okafor/ Diop/Nazzy

Not bad. At all


The thing I bad about is, Ammo was supposed to bring what we're expecting Vlad to bring. So in essence, we wasted a no.3 pick. Then again, who else would we've taken? Gay might've been nice, but if that was the case, then we sure would have had to kiss Crash good-bye. As someone stated, Roy didn't want to be here. And no way in hell would I have been intrigued by Tyrus Thomas.

It is what it is: that draft was pretty bad 'cuz no high school seniors were coming in (IE Durant, Oden, etc.), so the draft depth itself was pretty bad. Still, I was thinking that Ammo would be a great 6th man (at the least)

Let's just hope that Vlad would seem cool about being a sharp shooter off the bench. I Wiki-ed him, and found out that he wore out his welcome in Seatle, cuz he wanted to start, and left a good situation in LAC, because again, he wanted to start. If he can realize that being a 6th man would increase his value, then good. If not... Shit...

[grantleew]

i like the part about moving morrison but then taking someone that has a longer higher paying salery that might come here and suck just as bad as he did might turn out to be a pretty stupid trade....i hope he proves me wrong....and i think the trade went down saturday so he probally wont play sunday will he?

[spectre]

Rad is 9th in the league in 3 pt FG% and 2nd amongst SFs. His adjusted FG% is 584, which is just above Mek's who is 4th in the league.

I think he'll help.

Bonnell on Morrison:


He tried playing it cool this season, saying he was happy being a bench player behind Gerald Wallace and Jason Richardson. That was the right thing to say, demonstrating he was a good teammate.
But it was also code, an admission that it was never going to work out here. He told the Bobcats as much through his representatives, quietly asking for a trade.


The strange thing (one of many) was, Morrison never addressed his weaknesses. He was often the first player off the court after practice, despite all of his liabilities. It was as if he'd accepted this fate, rather than fighting through it.

I am SO glad he's gone.

[TattoodCatswife]

i like the part about moving morrison but then taking someone that has a longer higher paying salery that might come here and suck just as bad as he did might turn out to be a pretty stupid trade....i hope he proves me wrong....and i think the trade went down saturday so he probally wont play sunday will he?

No he probably won't play as he has to pass the physical and all that

[TattoodCats4life]

On the lakers site there is the entire 12 minute conf call from their GM to the press about the trade...He mentions things like it takes more than a year to heal from the ACL injury, they have the best medical staff in the NBA etc... I dont see playing beside someone like Kobe as something that would rub off... But I'm very Anti-"top dog" players... I dont like Kobe, LeBron, CP3, DWade, Shaq, Kidd etc... There are some excellent players I do like, Like Nash and all but I'd rather have 2 guys who can put up 30 than one who can put up 60...and I dont see Kobe as a "team player" JUST MY OPINION.. I dont know him or anything, just don't care for a"im the best in the nba" type attitude on any player.

[Mustachio]

ILBIT. I guess.


I understand people being happy that Adam is gone. What I don't understand is how you can behappy with the trade. We got rid of some garbage...but just brought back some more long term, more expensive garbage in return. It wasn't a good trade, we should have gotten more than Vlad or at least not given up Shannon Brown. we just traded a spotty shooter who can't defend my grandmother for a spotty shooter who can't defend my grandmother but gets paid 2 million more dollars.

ILBIT but this one is weird for me. Larry seems to get the best out of people, (besides Adam) so im not totally condeming RadVlad. I just dont understand the money. Talent wise its a scratch, its just the money.

[G-Force for MVP]

morrison might be the 11th guy off the bench there

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I think Morrison will be solid there but that woulod have never happened here =(

[ziggy]

If nothing else, this should make the Lakers -vs- Bobcats home game in Charlotte even more fun.

I can't wait to see him trying to guard Gerald (If Adam even gets any minutes that is)

[ALong13]

I don't get why anyone could hate this trade...sure the contract ties us up a few years, but as Mr. Higgins said everyone is clearing for 2010 on what ifs...like players who might or might not opt out of their contract....What happens if Lebron, Wade, and some of the other big names sign extensions...Lebron and Wade have both deemed it possible, Amare could be trade and sign an extension that way, Nash could remain in Phoenix, Toronto, or NY...those are his only 3 choices I believe...We don't have a chance at these guys...

Morrison was a huge BUST...at least when healthy and given time May could score, Morrison given time and being healthy was still a BUST...thankfully they'll both be gone now...Shannon Brown, I didn't like at all...IMO he made way too many mistakes....

Radman is one of the league's best 3 pt shooters, he can be an effective 6th man off the bench...and that's what I seem him as...Sure his defense isn't that great, but Larry Brown teaches, preaches, and even craps defense...Radman will get better under Brown IMO...Plus he spreads the floor a good bit..Imagine, DJ, Martin, Radman, Howard, & Diop on the floor together as your second unit...3 deadly 3 point shooters...Howard who can prove he can move and shoot, and Diop our defensive stopper who can still somewhat score....This does nothing but makes us better IMO...

And if any of those reasons don't help....we got another Roster spot...Think of it this way...at the end of the season...Juwan Howard, Sean May, Sean Singletary, Cartier Martin, and the empty roster spot is all up for grabs...I'd like to retain Howard, will it happen, I'm not sure...I think it's possible...May, Singletary will definitely be gone IMO...Martin may or may not stay...and then an empty spot....That roster spot still allows us to sign someone else...we're not as locked up as we think!

[ziggy]

I don't get why anyone could hate this trade...sure the contract ties us up a few years, but as Mr. Higgins said everyone is clearing for 2010 on what ifs...like players who might or might not opt out of their contract....What happens if Lebron, Wade, and some of the other big names sign extensions...Lebron and Wade have both deemed it possible, Amare could be trade and sign an extension that way, Nash could remain in Phoenix, Toronto, or NY...those are his only 3 choices I believe...We don't have a chance at these guys...

Morrison was a huge BUST...at least when healthy and given time May could score, Morrison given time and being healthy was still a BUST...thankfully they'll both be gone now...Shannon Brown, I didn't like at all...IMO he made way too many mistakes....

Radman is one of the league's best 3 pt shooters, he can be an effective 6th man off the bench...and that's what I seem him as...Sure his defense isn't that great, but Larry Brown teaches, preaches, and even craps defense...Radman will get better under Brown IMO...Plus he spreads the floor a good bit..Imagine, DJ, Martin, Radman, Howard, & Diop on the floor together as your second unit...3 deadly 3 point shooters...Howard who can prove he can move and shoot, and Diop our defensive stopper who can still somewhat score....This does nothing but makes us better IMO...

And if any of those reasons don't help....we got another Roster spot...Think of it this way...at the end of the season...Juwan Howard, Sean May, Sean Singletary, Cartier Martin, and the empty roster spot is all up for grabs...I'd like to retain Howard, will it happen, I'm not sure...I think it's possible...May, Singletary will definitely be gone IMO...Martin may or may not stay...and then an empty spot....That roster spot still allows us to sign someone else...we're not as locked up as we think!

Thats awesome... It may even be my new sig.:biggrin:

[ALong13]

haha, glad to know I could grace your sig...

[Keetch]

I'm not unhappy with this trade. Losing Ammo and Brown is addition by subtraction; both were awful. Not thrilled about VladRad but ILBIT, lets see what LB can do. At least VR has a place on an NBA roster and can earn PT. That's not true for the 2 we gave up.

This morning I told my wife that the Bobcats made a trade......

"Who?"

"Adam Morrison"

"oooooo" (recognizes the name) "who'd they get?"

"vladimirradmanovic"

silence......then....wait for it....."that'll look grreeaaattt on a Jersey"

Made my day. My wife's pure gold.

[countryboi]

I'm not unhappy with this trade. Losing Ammo and Brown is addition by subtraction; both were awful. Not thrilled about VladRad but ILBIT, lets see what LB can do. At least VR has a place on an NBA roster and can earn PT. That's not true for the 2 we gave up.

This morning I told my wife that the Bobcats made a trade......

"Who?"

"Adam Morrison"

"oooooo" (recognizes the name) "who'd they get?"

"vladimirradmanovic"

silence......then....wait for it....."that'll look grreeaaattt on a Jersey"

Made my day. My wife's pure gold.

thats funny cause when i told my girl that they trade adam morrison
she was like

"wow they made alot of trades this year....who did they get?"

"vlad radmanovic"

"radmanobitch? wow he sucks"

"yea i know but at least he is better than morrison"

my girl is harsh but true...

[Scottley Crue]

ILBIT. I guess.


I understand people being happy that Adam is gone. What I don't understand is how you can behappy with the trade. We got rid of some garbage...but just brought back some more long term, more expensive garbage in return. It wasn't a good trade, we should have gotten more than Vlad or at least not given up Shannon Brown. we just traded a spotty shooter who can't defend my grandmother for a spotty shooter who can't defend my grandmother but gets paid 2 million more dollars.

ILBIT but this one is weird for me. Larry seems to get the best out of people, (besides Adam) so im not totally condeming RadVlad. I just dont understand the money. Talent wise its a scratch, its just the money.
I understand what you're saying about the money, but I am honestly stunned that we got a rotation player for Morrison. He's just been that bad after his first few months in the league. I was really expecting something along the lines of the Bogans-for-Baxter deal from years ago. For that alone, I'm happy with this deal.

I can take the contract if VladRad can spread the floor and hit the three (which the numbers say he can). And just because the money is tied up now doesn't mean it will always be. We're certainly not afraid to trade people, and you never know what a team that thinks it's on the brink of a title may want at the deadline. It could work out in our favor.

[Slam]

ILBIT. I guess.


I understand people being happy that Adam is gone. What I don't understand is how you can behappy with the trade. We got rid of some garbage...but just brought back some more long term, more expensive garbage in return. It wasn't a good trade, we should have gotten more than Vlad or at least not given up Shannon Brown. we just traded a spotty shooter who can't defend my grandmother for a spotty shooter who can't defend my grandmother but gets paid 2 million more dollars.

ILBIT but this one is weird for me. Larry seems to get the best out of people, (besides Adam) so im not totally condeming RadVlad. I just dont understand the money. Talent wise its a scratch, its just the money.
Might have been nice for the Lakers to add in their 1st round pick considering it will be around the 25-30th pick and this trade might help them retain some of their upcoming FA's and we could use it for some depth, but seriously, Ammo was like the worst player in the NBA, not one of the worst, THE worst. We were lucky to be able to move him at all.

Radman will be, at the very least, more productive than Ammo because at least Radman isn't afraid to shoot the rock!

[teej]

Radman will be, at the very least, more productive than Ammo because at least Radman isn't afraid to shoot the rock!
And he shoots 3s unlike Shannon :mad:

[Dunk]

Well, he probably won't give us any less than we got from Morrison so I'll take that. Maybe we'll catch a break and LB will turn him into a pretty good player for us. We shit all over Diaw and he's been pretty good. Maybe this will be X2.

[TattoodCats4life]

Well, he probably won't give us any less than we got from Morrison so I'll take that. Maybe we'll catch a break and LB will turn him into a pretty good player for us. We shit all over Diaw and he's been pretty good. Maybe this will be X2.

No forgetting, Larry, here and in other situations, has turned one team's trash into his team's treasure. Lets see PHX fans were like insane that we gave up J-Rich for "Eh Bell and bad player/bad contract Diaw" both are rocking here... Same deal Mavs fans thought "wow a great 3 point shooter for Diop, way to go Cuban" but in actuality we got a very powerful big who can swat the ball like flies and in our system has seen his PPG average climbing quickly. He knew Juwan would be great, why, because his good buddy Coach Carl said "Hey larry you should sign this guy" and aren't we glad.... Rad has done well in many situations, but I think under larry he'll blossom into an excellent player.

Just my 2 pennies...

[davcbow]

No forgetting, Larry, here and in other situations, has turned one team's trash into his team's treasure. Lets see PHX fans were like insane that we gave up J-Rich for "Eh Bell and bad player/bad contract Diaw" both are rocking here... Same deal Mavs fans thought "wow a great 3 point shooter for Diop, way to go Cuban" but in actuality we got a very powerful big who can swat the ball like flies and in our system has seen his PPG average climbing quickly. He knew Juwan would be great, why, because his good buddy Coach Carl said "Hey larry you should sign this guy" and aren't we glad.... Rad has done well in many situations, but I think under larry he'll blossom into an excellent player.

Just my 2 pennies...


Im with you tat... :biggrin:

[millst2]

Well I have to agree, I can't see this trade as being any worse than what we gave up. An occasional spark off the bench for a free roster slot and morrison who after his surgery seemed even more lost or scared than he was before the injury.

So say we sign cartier and now we get putin from the lakers, that means we are due to fill one more slot.

Say for arguments sake that Vlad Putin works out to atleast contribute, May drops the other 6 pounds and lights a fire under his ass since he knows he is about out if he can not show the NBA he can play for the remainder of the season, we get bell, diaw and wallace back healthy.. Our squad will be solid as hell. We had a winning streak before the plague hit us, and now I feel pretty damn good about it.

We need Diaw, Bell, May at his target weight and playing like we know he can, we got augustin back tonight against miami and it was like he did not miss a beat.

We still have a shot at the 8th slot in the east.. woot

[TattoodCats4life]

We need Diaw, Bell, May at his target weight and playing like we know he can, we got augustin back tonight against miami and it was like he did not miss a beat.

We still have a shot at the 8th slot in the east.. woot

There has to be a move or a Dleaguer coming look at the depth chart on its best day...

Ray/DJ/Good Sean
Bell/Cartier?/Ray?
Wallace/VRad/Cartier
Diaw/Juwan/VRad/Meka/May
Meka/Diop/Nazr

THe only spot we cant be sure of is the 2...so clearly this cruel universe has taken our wings and now we must get them back.

[teej]

With the guard play tonight, I feel fine about that position after we get Raja back, although I would like to see a guard signed, preferably someone with an ounce of NBA experience but another Carroll would be great too

[TheBeagle]

As always, I begin by admitting to knowing diddley poo about contract lengths and numbers, but just purely on a personnel basis, this is very similar to the Gana trade in that it is a very low risk with the possibility for high reward. Ammo speaks for himself and what Shannon had in athleticism, he lacked in IQ, which will never mesh with Larry, so like most others have said, we gave up next to nothing to acquire someone who, at worst, does a little more than nothing.

Everybody here in the Beagle's realm is happy with the trade. Like other's anecdotes, they had no clue who vladmiriradmanovic is/was/will be, but the getting rid of Ammo was music to their ears. It's not so cut and dry with me; I hated the draft pick when it was announced, but figured I'd give him a chance to show his worth, and to watch how he's fallen, it's pretty damn sad. I wished it could've worked here, but that's how it goes, so hopefully better things for him in the future...

[BobCatsFanInTx]

God dammit. Maybe the worst trade ever of Bobcats history. Please somebody explain me what Radman can do here which he didn't do in LA? I'm sure all Lakers fans are partying now. Not only for the pieces they got, but also the trash they've unloaded at us.

Why are we supposed to collect all the disastrous MLE signings of recent NBA history? Firstly Nazr Mohammed from Pistons, then DeSagana Diop from Mavs and now Radmanovic. Who's next, Luke Walton or Jerome James? Who the hell employed us cleaning the sh.t other teams did?

I don't want the trashes of other teams anymore.Radman as you call him is a quality outside shooter. Adam was inconsistent and was not delivering. I mean what the hell do you guys expect in return when we trade a player like AmMo who has been a huge disappointment? Radmanovic did not get a lot of playing time in LA because the Lakers have more depth than anybody in the NBA. The Spurs may be a close second. The few times I saw Radmanovic play he was at least somewhat involved in the teams play. Adam disappeared and Shannon Brown has potential but he was inconsistent and made some bone headed plays. Vlad is a three point threat and having him as an outside weapon along with Bell can not hurt our team. If Vladamir can score 8 to 10 a game that is a whole lot more than we got with AmMo. Also before everybody starts complaining about this trade just remember what we thought about our trade with Phoenix. That trade gave us new life. The success or failure of this team really depends on one players contribution at this point anyhow. That player is Crash.

Our Bobcats don't have the kind of depth that the Lakers have so what may have been thought of as trash for the Lakers would probably be a solid backup with most other teams in the NBA. If you ask me the Lakers have the luxury of a deep bench and did us a favor. They rolled the dice on AmMo and Shannon but gave us a guy who can and has contributed in the recent past.

With all that said, our Bobcats had to get rid of AmMo!! Nothing on our teams bench is going to get much of a return. You may think this trade was rubbish but I say it can't hurt us any worse. AmMo was already doing that. ;)

[tamburello]

Radman as you call him is a quality outside shooter. Adam was inconsistent and was not delivering. I mean what the hell do you guys expect in return when we trade a player like AmMo who has been a huge disappointment? Radmanovic did not get a lot of playing time in LA because the Lakers have more depth than anybody in the NBA. The Spurs may be a close second. The few times I saw Radmanovic play he was at least somewhat involved in the teams play. Adam disappeared and Shannon Brown has potential but he was inconsistent and made some bone headed plays. Vlad is a three point threat and having him as an outside weapon along with Bell can not hurt our team. If Vladamir can score 8 to 10 a game that is a whole lot more than we got with AmMo. Also before everybody starts complaining about this trade just remember what we thought about our trade with Phoenix. That trade gave us new life. The success or failure of this team really depends on one players contribution at this point anyhow. That player is Crash.

Our Bobcats don't have the kind of depth that the Lakers have so what may have been thought of as trash for the Lakers would probably be a solid backup with most other teams in the NBA. If you ask me the Lakers have the luxury of a deep bench and did us a favor. They rolled the dice on AmMo and Shannon but gave us a guy who can and has contributed in the recent past.

With all that said, our Bobcats had to get rid of AmMo!! Nothing on our teams bench is going to get much of a return. You may think this trade was rubbish but I say it can't hurt us any worse. AmMo was already doing that. ;)

I tried to explain how I feel about the trade in other posts. I would have let contracts expire, nothing else. I don't want to make further comments.

If you believe that getting rid of Ammo ASAP is key to our salvation, go ahead.

[supadiscofly]

It seems that all Bobcats trades over the past two years did nothing but help out the other teams involved with the exception of the Bobcats getting Jason Richardson. He contributed to the team in a big way and then got traded away. Mohammed? A huge waste of money sitting on the bench. At least Detroit fans were happy about that one. VladRad? Everyone is excited about $6 million for a guy who averages 5.9 points and 2.5 rebounds per game? Great. The Bobcats have become the team that picks up the players with ridiculous contracts that other teams need to get rid of. And the Bobcats, well, they stay the same or get worse.

And with this newest trade, the Lakers fans seem to be pretty excited and not too broken up about their loss.
http://my.lakers.com/blogs/2009/02/08/fleas-take-on-morrison/
http://my.nba.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5800020339

Adam brought me to the Bobcats as I followed him through his college career and was a big fan. I didn't know the Bobcats until he was drafted. I enjoyed getting to know them over the past three years and coming to games but became continually disillusioned as things kept getting worse with the team. Adam might not have developed into the player people thought he would have, but I don't think he ever deserved the hate and treatment he got from fans of his own team. Just as Adam brought me to the Bobcats, he's now taking me away. Go Lakers!

[spectre]

Shame you picked a guy who sucked to follow around.

Nice knowing ya.

[ohara831]

Hate you feel that way Supadiscofly. Thought you were a Bobcats fan, not just a Morrison fan. Enjoy his games in LA. We'll see you when we play the Lakers again. Best to you.

[Mustachio]

. I mean what the hell do you guys expect in return when we trade a player like AmMo who has been a huge disappointment? ;)


I expect not to get back an equally disappointing player with a bigger longer contract. I would also not expect to lose a player like Shannon Brown in the process.

Phoenix trade was good. said so on day 1. And I am not really trashing this trade either yet... its not like we lost superstars or anything. My only concern is this habit we are developing for stockpiling average players with bad contracts.

This trade wasn't bad talent wise as Adam and Shannon are totally replaceable. It was bad because it saddles us with a marginal player with a bigger contract. Should have just stayed with our first marginal cheaper player.

I mean Larry has been right on every move so far. I am definitely gonna give RadVlad a month or so of playing before judgment. I just don't love the money side of this one. HOWEVA!! ILBIMFT.

[Muttley]

Hate you feel that way Supadiscofly. Thought you were a Bobcats fan, not just a Morrison fan. Enjoy his games in LA. We'll see you when we play the Lakers again. Best to you.
Yeah, that's kind of a silly take on things. Oh well. I'll say this, even Ammofan didn't say he was completely jumping ship on the Bobcats, just buying a Laker's jersey.

Something I thought about:

The last time a Charlotte team traded a lottery pick to the Lakers for a guy named Vlade, that worked out really well for LA....

Don't quite see that happening this time, but you never know. Phil's big on meditation and that type of stuff, right? Maybe he'll get Adam's head on straight.

I'm cool with this trade. I don't think it affects the team much other than, as others have said, Vlad's not afraid of his own shot, and also Good Sean now has more opportunities for minutes.

[Mustachio]

I do agree with supadiscofly that Adam didn't deserve the hate he gets from his own fan base and i wish him luck in LA.

But no one is bigger than the team. And I'm on the train for the long haul. Surprisingly, I dont think im gonna miss Ammo that much. Everytime he came in the game i was just cheering for more positive plays than negative plays. Thats no way to live.

[Chef]

correction: mcmay is bigger than the team

[davcbow]

To me "jumping ship" over 1 player says a lot about someone's character in life....
I'm a Bobcats fan have been a fan since the day I first heard a new team was coming to Charlotte. My favorite player in the league is Baron Davis and I dont even like the team he plays for, my favorite player on our team is Gerald Wallace. So if Gerald was to ever get traded off the Bobcats I wouldnt like it but "Im still a Bobcats fan to the bone" and I would live with it.... :cool:

[amour217]

correction: mcmay is bigger than the team

He's bigger than the league...in fact he has his own: the 38D League

[Mustachio]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3893917

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Technicalities kept Vladimir Radmanovic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1016) on the bench a day after he was traded from the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) to the Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cha).
They didn't keep him from voicing his displeasure over his former team's game plans.
http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1016.jpg
Radmanovic
"Being a Laker was a great experience," Radmanovic told The Charlotte Observer before Sunday's 96-92 loss in Miami. "But it was also frustrating not knowing when and how I'd play."
The small forward said the trade that sent him to the Bobcats for forward Adam Morrison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3016) and reserve guard Shannon Brown (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2992) was a blessing in disguise.
"Phil's system, great as it is, doesn't give a role player much opportunity," Radmanovic said. "For Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=110), it's great. For Pau Gasol (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=996), it's great. But role players don't do much.''
In 2½ seasons with the Lakers, Radmanovic started 84 of the 166 games he appeared in, averaging 17.9 minutes, 22.8 and 16.8 in each season starting in 2006-07. Before the trade, the eight-year veteran was averaging 5.9 points per game this season.
The Serbian pointed to the value of his versatility Sunday. He told the Observer he's comfortable at power forward or small forward.
"I've been playing 3 and 4 my whole career,'' Radmanovic said. "Obviously I'm a little quicker than most 6-10 guys, so I can guard smaller players.''
Radmanovic was not eligible to play against the Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia) on Sunday. Radmanovic was in Miami and hoping to play, but the Lakers did not get physicals for Morrison and Brown done, so the deal couldn't be officially complete.
"I just hope it works out for everybody," Bobcats coach Larry Brown said before Sunday's game.
Radmanovic was being checked by team doctors in Charlotte's locker room two hours before tip-off, and the team even added him to the active list in case he was cleared to play.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.



might be some good news. Boris and Raja weren't happy with their roles in PHX either. Maybe Larry does know exactly what hes doin???!!

ILBIMFT.

[TattoodCatswife]

I'm sure he will be happy here like Raja and Diaw are :)

[Slam]

Vlad will give us some much needed bench production. He's a 3pt specialist. Look at the going rate for those types of players:

James Jones, around $5 mil a year for the next 5 years
James Posey, around $6 mil a year for the next 4 years
MoPete, around $5 mil a year for the next 3 years
Kyle Korver, around $5 mil a year for the next 2 years
Q Richardson, aroun d$8 mil a year for the next 2 years
Sasha Vujavic, around $5 mil a year for the next 3 years
Jason Kapono, around $6 mil a year for the next 3 years
Matt Carroll, around $4 mil a year for the next 5 years

Vlad comes in around $6 mil for the next 2 (after this season). Puts him right around market rate, but with not much time left on his contract. The fact that he is still young and will have a very attractive expiring contract makes him a tradable asset by the end of next season.

[teej]

Good showing tonight, and Slam he has an option that, if he plays well I wouldn't mind him excersising because it would give us more of that fair market value.

[tamburello]

Videos of Adam and Shannon's reactions to trade. At the moment they are at the top of the list.

http://www.latimes.com/video/?slug=la-lakersplayoffs-video