Felts, Nazzy and McMay to the Pacers?

[Slam]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3897431


The discussions between the teams have been ongoing for weeks, though the parameters and pieces have continually changed. If the deal comes to fruition, the sources said, it would likely include Tinsley, Jeff Foster (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=250) and a third player (Brandon Rush (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3457), Stephen Graham (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2832), Marquis Daniels (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2200)) going to the Bobcats for Felton, Nazr Mohammed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=568) and Sean May (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2776).

[tamburello]

If we can have Brandon Rush in addition to Tinsley and Foster, I'd do this deal immediately.

[Slam]

If we can have Brandon Rush in addition to Tinsley and Foster, I'd do this deal immediately.
Really?

Foster makes as much as Nazzy for the same length of time.

Felts would only be paid around what Tinsley is being paid now for the same amount of time - plus Tinsley is a cancer.

The last name "Rush" combined with "Charlotte" send back bad memories.

[amour217]

I love what Foster does on the boards, but Tinsley is definitely a cancer...does giving up Felton make this worth it? I'm not so sure...not for this group of players

[tamburello]

Actually Tinsley's contract will expire one year later than I had thought. However, I don't think Tinsley is a cancer and IMHO much better option at PG than Felts, since he's maybe offensively limited but a consistent player. I'm sure he wouldn't throw difficult shots that Felts always attempt. He'd allow DJ to concentrate more on offense. Tinsley is one of few "real" PG's in the NBA still.

Nazr and Foster has almost same contracts, I strongly believe that Foster is more productive than Nazr.

And Rush... Better not to discuss about it, since getting something back for May is a bigger success than getting something back for Ammo, IMHO :)

[ALong13]

I'd do it...I'd take Foster ANYDAY over Nazr..

Also according to rotoworld Foster is a free agent at the end of the season...

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&id=625

Tinsley is better than Felton IMO and I think DJ has learned everything he can learn from Felton...maybe time to learn something from another PG....Tinsley may take awhile to get into game shape though...that's my only concern...

I'd rather have Marques Daniels though...13 ppg...Can you imagine a bench of this

DJ, Daniels, Martin, Howard, Foster/Diop

So much better than what we got...I like it :)

[tamburello]

I'd do it...I'd take Foster ANYDAY over Nazr..

Also according to rotoworld Foster is a free agent at the end of the season...

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&id=625

Tinsley is better than Felton IMO and I think DJ has learned everything he can learn from Felton...maybe time to learn something from another PG....Tinsley may take awhile to get into game shape though...that's my only concern...

I'd rather have Marques Daniels though...13 ppg...Can you imagine a bench of this

DJ, Daniels, Martin, Howard, Foster/Diop

So much better than what we got...I like it :)

Jeff Foster had signed an extension in 2008 offseason to keep him under contract for 2 further seasons after 2009. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=3637152&section=nba

Also this trade doesn't work when Marquis Daniels is included. Only with Graham or Rush.

[GoBobs]

terrible trade, Hell No!

i doubt this is seriously being talked about we would have to be fools to do this deal

[Ampsportsduo]

NOOOOOOOOO! (Thanks minimum)

[ammofan]

This is weird. I think if we are gonna trade Felton we need to get a 2 guard in return(starter)!
Maybe John salmons at least???

[tamburello]

This is weird. I think if we are gonna trade Felton we need to get a 2 guard in return(starter)!
Maybe John salmons at least???

It shouldn't be easy to get the both of our wishes simultaneously, getting a starting 2 and dumping Nazr.

[ALong13]

In all honesty I don't think we need a starting SG...I think we got ours in Bell...he was very solid before getting injuried...our starting line-up...

Felton/Bell/Wallace/Diaw/Okafor is playoff caliber...we just needed to improve our bench and I think we've done that...We just need depth at SG...

[Keetch]

The only player that remotely interests me in this deal is Brandon Rush.

If we can afford to pay a creep like Tinsley, we can afford to keep Felton. ESPN never seems to have a clue what trades are happening until they're done; so I'll be hoping this one is bogus.

[coordinator0]

The only player that remotely interests me in this deal is Brandon Rush.

If we can afford to pay a creep like Tinsley, we can afford to keep Felton. ESPN never seems to have a clue what trades are happening until they're done; so I'll be hoping this one is bogus.

I completely agree with this. Rush is the only player on the Pacers that really interests me, save for the most likely untouchable Granger. Please, not to this trade. PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! !

[ALong13]

ILBIT...enough said...

[JamieMcNeill]

ILBIT...enough said...
Haha i hear that.
Im to the point where almost any trade LB allows to go through im happy with
Also despite the fact that Tinsley is supposedly a cancer. He seems to me to be a perfect LB point.
I dont really like it im just saying that Rush has so much upside and Tinsley would be great under LB.
And Foster >>>>>> Nazr or May

[SirBobcat]

YES! Foster would bring intensity and rebounding to the front court!

[GoBobs]

Trading for somebody that has not played this season should be a red flag. Why the hell should we take a guy who has off the court issues when we have purposely avoided that for three years. We could probably resign felton for the money Tinsley is getting. Foster is underrated but we don't really need him. Tinsley has not been the most durable player and Felton hardly misses any time.

[GoBobs]

I know this is crap anyway because May is included in the deal and I don't see LB getting rid of May.

[Ampsportsduo]

I felt like the last two moves showed that this team wanted to make the playoffs sooner rather than rebuild, but this seems to be contrary to those goals.

[LB4President]

If this goes down I say it is a solid trade. Tinsley is a more than solid point guard. And I think he can be kept under control in Charlotte. Foster is definitely an upgrade over Nazr, and any one of the throw in players are fine by me. I would love to get Daniels but the salaries are way off if we are just sending May, Felton and Nazr. But I say go for it. After this trade we would become scary next season. Deep and big

[spectre]

Tinsley is due 7.2 million next year and 7.65 the next. He shoots WORSE than Felton and he's been injury prone as hell throughout his career:

03/04 - 52 games played
04/05 - 40 games played
05/06 - 42 games played
06/07 - 72 games played
07/08 - 39 games played
current - no games played

not to mention it'd take him weeks to get into game shape. IMO he's a big negative in this deal, and trying to include him could very well kill what chance we might still have this season.

Foster is a magnet for boards, and he's a big upgrade to Nazr at about 1 million less per year. That's decent kicker.

As someone noted Daniels doesn't work, so it's Rush or Graham. Graham's a D League pickup, so obviously Rush would be much better value.

My gut reaction was "Hell no", but the sweetener for Tinsley is pretty darn good if it's Rush.

OT: Keetch, PM me.

[davcbow]

Tinsley sounds like trouble to me....

http://my.nba.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5700032654



"We are aware of the grievance filed today on behalf of Jamaal Tinsley. We made it clear to Jamaal and his agent, Raymond Brothers, that we would pursue a trade that we feel would be best for both parties and we continue to do so. In the meantime, we will do whatever necessary in preparing our case for arbitration should it come to that.”



39% from the field, 30% from 3 point land, 71% free throws, 3 rb's and 7 assists at 10 points a game dont sound too good to me...

[tamburello]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you spectre at one point. Throughout his career, Tinsley shot 39.5% from field, Felton shot 39.6%. Felton's 3pt % is slightly better, FT % is considerably better but to me the critical point is: Tinsley attempted 9.9 FG per game, Felton attempted 12.3

Their averages are similar but Tinsley always looked me as if he knows his role better and doesn't try to do things which he cannot, contrary to Felton. I'm really tired to see his performances with ups and downs. I definitely cannot say Felton is bad, but he's f.king inconsistent.

[spectre]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=879844&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Indiana's forum all seem to like it unless it includes Rush.

So it has to include Rush.

[SirBobcat]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~568~250~2832~3457~10 24&teams=11~11~11~30~30~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E2776%7E568%7E250%7E2832 %7E3457%7E1024&teams=11%7E11%7E11%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

This would be a great deal!

Lineup if this deal happened

C- Okafor/Diop/Ajinca
PF- Diaw/Foster/Howard
SF- Wallace/Graham/Radmanovic
SG- Bell/Rush/Martin
PG- DJ/Tinsley/Singeltary

[spectre]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you spectre at one point. Throughout his career, Tinsley shot 39.5% from field, Felton shot 39.6%. Felton's 3pt % is slightly better, FT % is considerably better but to me the critical point is: Tinsley attempted 9.9 FG per game, Felton attempted 12.3

Their averages are similar but Tinsley always looked me as if he knows his role better and doesn't try to do things which he cannot, contrary to Felton. I'm really tired to see his performances with ups and downs. I definitely cannot say Felton is bad, but he's f.king inconsistent.

I didn't really look at their averages, but pulled up his career stats...last year was .38 and the year before was .389.

The guy was always injury prone, which meant he never could develop a consistency with the team. I do remember him as being a decent defender and he was a good PG (I think Felton had trouble containing him in one of their meetings).

It's just a lot of money and commitment.

[spectre]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/02/jordan-qa-on-felton-trades-and-ownership.html

Jordan on Felton.

[bellringer21]

I thought the purpose of trading Felton was so DJ could start? Getting Tinsley back doesn't do that for us.....It would be interesting if they start Tinsley over DJ when it is all said and done or Tinsley starts with DJ? Not sure what LB is thinking but I do know DJ is good enough to start and probably should start next year.

[SirBobcat]

How I see it is: Yes, they are taking on Nazr's contract, but in the same token we're taking on Tinsley's so it's a wash there. Felton and May combined is a much better player (and better contracts) than Foster. So, the way I see it, is Indiana has to give us something to even out things. With one roster spot open...I think my deal I had above is even.

[SirBobcat]

I thought the purpose of trading Felton was so DJ could start? Getting Tinsley back doesn't do that for us.....It would be interesting if they start Tinsley over DJ when it is all said and done or Tinsley starts with DJ? Not sure what LB is thinking but I do know DJ is good enough to start and probably should start next year.

I am not sure LB was ever fond of starting a rookie.

[Slam]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you spectre at one point. Throughout his career, Tinsley shot 39.5% from field, Felton shot 39.6%. Felton's 3pt % is slightly better, FT % is considerably better but to me the critical point is: Tinsley attempted 9.9 FG per game, Felton attempted 12.3

Their averages are similar but Tinsley always looked me as if he knows his role better and doesn't try to do things which he cannot, contrary to Felton. I'm really tired to see his performances with ups and downs. I definitely cannot say Felton is bad, but he's f.king inconsistent.
??

Over the past 2 years Tinsley has averaged OVER 12fga per game.

Felton has averaged around the same.

I can't say that Felton is consistent, but I'l bet money he's never ORDERED to stay away from ANY team he is on.

[ohara831]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/02/jordan-qa-on-felton-trades-and-ownership.html

Jordan on Felton.


+1. That was a great find, especially considering the news coming out about this. I find it rather interesting that there would be this interview with Bonnell with Felton coming up the SAME day as this news is coming out. Very interesting, dont you agree?

As for me, if Rush in included, and the Pacer fans think it is too much, then I am happy with it. But I really want Rush in this somehow. I also dont think Tinsley would be so problematic as he will be minding his P's and Q's the entire time to help cure his public image. And I also dont see Tinsley starting over DJ. I think it will be some sharing just like with Raymond now, and they may even see the floor together at times also.

Bottom line for me: ILBIT. If he pulls the trigger, then I will back the move.

[coordinator0]

Jarret Jack works in the deal as well. I think he could be an excellent 2 for us, especially since he's has experience at the 1 with enough size to play the 2.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~568~250~2768~1024&teams=11~11~11~30~30~30&te=&cash=

It wouldn't be my favorite deal (I'd like Rush instead), but I could live with it. It also helps that Jack has one year remaining.

[Slam]

I'd take Tinsley off their hands for them for Felts..............at the cost of their unprotected 2009 1st round pick.

[coordinator0]

I'd take Tinsley off their hands for them for Felts..............at the cost of their unprotected 2009 1st round pick.

That's the best idea I've heard aside from getting Rush.

[LB4President]

First off Tinsley is not a player you can judge by numbers. He is a true point guard who has smarts and distributes the ball. Like Diaw not all of his accomplishments can be seen in the box score. And think of it this way: We are trading one player we actually use (Felton) and getting back potentially three who can crack the rotation. Even if we do wind up with Graham, we are so desparate for a wing he can compete with Cartier for minutes.

I'm starting to doubt that this goes through, but I'm just saying this is a good trade if it does.

[ALong13]

See I don't want to lose Felton...definitely for Tinsley, but I wouldn't mind Rush & Foster over Nazr and May...but whatever Larry Brown believes is right ILBIT

To be honest though...I think Felton will be in a Bobcats jersey for another 3 years after this...

[Slam]

First off Tinsley is not a player you can judge by numbers. .
True. I think it would be much easy to judge him by the fact his current team would rather pay him 6 million dollars a year to STAY AWAY from the team than to have him a piece of it.

[ohara831]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/

Well, now Bonnell seems to be throwing water on the whole Felton-Tinsley talk. This crap is going to drive me up a wall. I'm going to bed with my wife and not think about this stuff anymore tonight! (OK, I'll check back in an hour)

[Felton for Prez]

I admit I haven't followed him in Indiana but Rush was overrated at KU. He was going to come out last yr and wasn't going to be a high pick so he was going to return (blowing a knee made that decision even easier).

Has he been lighting the world on fire? His stats are medicore at best but as mentioned earlier that doesn't necessarily tell the tale.

[ALong13]

Well guess this trade won't happen...Glad not to be taken Tinsley's contract, though would have taken Foster over Nazr and May any day...another two for one :) but...I think Felton is re-signed...not a 6 year deal or anything, but I think 3 years at 7-8 million a year...

[Slam]

I admit I haven't followed him in Indiana but Rush was overrated at KU. He was going to come out last yr and wasn't going to be a high pick so he was going to return (blowing a knee made that decision even easier).

Has he been lighting the world on fire? His stats are medicore at best but as mentioned earlier that doesn't necessarily tell the tale.
THANK GOD!!

I said the same thing over at RGM. I don't get where all this Brandon Rush love is coming from??

Apart from the championship game, I thought he was pretty underwhelming at Kansas and it's not like he has been setting the NBA on fire.

I'd rather their unprotected 2009 1st round pick.

[TattoodCatswife]

ILIBT with whatever trades he wants to make at this point

[TattoodCats4life]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753~2776~568~250~2832~3457~10 24&teams=11~11~11~30~30~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2753%7E2776%7E568%7E250%7E2832 %7E3457%7E1024&teams=11%7E11%7E11%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)

This would be a great deal!

Lineup if this deal happened

C- Okafor/Diop/Ajinca
PF- Diaw/Foster/Howard
SF- Wallace/Graham/Radmanovic
SG- Bell/Rush/Martin
PG- DJ/Tinsley/Singeltary

I like, but hows about this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1708~1024~2753~2776~568&teams=30~30~11~11~11&te=&cash=

[TattoodCats4life]

Here's another good one worth taking tinsley for...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2200~3457~1024~2753~2776~568&teams=30~30~30~11~11~11&te=2832:30-3008&cash=

[catsfan]

:g:

they also have Jarret Jack,behind Ford so

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=250~2768~3457~1024~2753~568&teams=30~30~30~30~11~11&te=2776:11-615&cash=


that way if Tinsley don't work out with us,we still have Jarret Jack behind DJ

[docend24]

Adding Foster - if this rumour has any true backround then I think that possibility of Emeka playing a big part of his PT at four is re-open.

[TattoodCats4life]

Adding Foster - if this rumour has any true backround then I think that possibility of Emeka playing a big part of his PT at four is re-open.

They have been teaching Meka how to play the 4 better lately, he's now effective up to 10 feet from the rim, which is damn great considering before you'd never catch him more then 3-4 feet away... I dont think we need another big tho, Meka and Diop cover the 5 alright as long as they watch teh fouls, but i guess having 3 players on each spot is the idea behind the 15 man team ;)

[WWLD]

Long time reader first time poster. First off Once we signed LB it was a plus on the year for me no matter what happened. Anyways I agree a lot with the phrase ILBIT. I think that the addition of LB, one of the first things he has been trying to do is balance the roster and with most of the trade scenarios it does just that. It allows us a much deeper bench than what we had at the start of the year. I am hesitant with the fact that tinsley won't be in game shape but, hey we are giving them sean may so I think that is a push. They are receiving a guy who will never be game shape. So we actually, may end up on the better end of this deal.

[TattoodCats4life]

Long time reader first time poster. First off Once we signed LB it was a plus on the year for me no matter what happened. Anyways I agree a lot with the phrase ILBIT. I think that the addition of LB, one of the first things he has been trying to do is balance the roster and with most of the trade scenarios it does just that. It allows us a much deeper bench than what we had at the start of the year. I am hesitant with the fact that tinsley won't be in game shape but, hey we are giving them sean may so I think that is a push. They are receiving a guy who will never be game shape. So we actually, may end up on the better end of this deal.

Agreed... Sean May probably will not play useful minutes again without a year in euroleague or Dleague to show he can do it. I honestly doubt that Tinsley has let him self "go" No he hasnt practiced but I'm willing to bet he's played pickup PLENTY and has probably spent plenty of time in the gym...Dont forget its not like he had to go get a job pumping gas or something, so he's had time. I've never seen Tinsley play, but his stats for previous years were fairly good, so we'd probably be okay if larry and MJ can keep the leash on him.

That said, Tinsley is a small price to pay to get either great talent or a killer draft position next year, and hes not much more than Nazr, who we'd be sending out as part of the trade... Larry isnt going to let us get screwed.

[Slam]

Here's Bonnell's latest take:

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/02/feltonfortinsley-deal-no-given.html


if you'd heard what I heard tonight (see my story in tomorrow's Observer), you'd wonder why that ever ended up on espn's web site. I'm not saying the Pacers and Bobcats weren't in talks. I'm not saying there's zero chance of re-tinkering something or other if the Pacer become desperate. But that deal, as portrayed, was never going to happen.
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Feb 10, 2009 9:31:52 PM

[TattoodCats4life]

Here's Bonnell's latest take:

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/02/feltonfortinsley-deal-no-given.html

I was waiting for Bonnell to reply... One of three things is likely:
1. This deal was to happen, but didnt and wont.
2. This deal was to happen, didnt, and might resurface the way the Diop trade did.
3. This deal was never discussed, but in fact was created and perpetuated by the FO to show others that we're close to moving Felton and they need to make a move if they want him, else he'll be gone.

I'm honestly leaning toward 3, but 2 may be likely as well.

[teej]

I'm glad to see we aren't getting a cancer, but hopefully the FO keeps their heads on and stays smart...ILBIT 100% but I would love to keep Ray

[davcbow]

Politics politics politics

[TattoodCats4life]

I could deal with this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2200~3457~1024~2753~2776~568&teams=30~30~30~11~11~11&te=2832:30-3008&cash=

Massive influx of talent, and Nazr and Tinsley are on equal footing contract-wise, and I think the change of scenery might make Tinsley turn a new leaf, and if not Coach Thompson is certainly big enough to take him out back the arena and teach him some manners on Larry's behalf.

[Muttley]

In last night's press conference, Larry mentioned just how many phone calls he made in regards to Vlad before they pulled the trigger on a trade. He mentioned at least half a dozen people, including a coach for the Yugoslavian National Team.

My guess is he'll be well aware of whether or not he'll be able to control Tinsley before he okays a trade for him. My guess is this won't happen. Seems to me that there are always discussions going on, but that ours always get air time because of Larry.

Also, WWLD, love the name!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

This trade is fair if Tinsley isn't one of the pieces in the trade. I mean when only one other team besides us has shown any intrest in him that has got to be a bad thing. Talent wise I think Tinsley is fine but he obviously has burned most of his bridges much like Mr. Marbury has. These guys are arogant team destroyers and should be ran out of the league. I personally don't know much about Tinsley but it is obvious that the rest of the league does and this guy is bad news. As far as Larry working magic on the guy I don't see it. Larry could not get a decent team player out of Marbury in NY so I don't see this guy as being any different. I would love that to be the case but I just don't see it. Felton is really coming into his own and if the team is going to trade him they better get a better situation than this.

All the above is just my opinions unless I state otherwise. ;)

[LB4President]

I don't believe this trade will happen anymore, but in defense of Tinsley maybe he just needs a change of scenery. Rasheed Wallace wasn't too popular in Portland when he left. Once they shipped him to ATL he played one game before being traded to Detroit (where LB straightened him out and won a championship). Sprewell choked his coach in Golden State before becoming an integral part of the Knicks run to the championship in 2000. Areanas stuck a chair into a wall one game in San Antonio when he was playing for GS. And even Brent Barry threw a chair through his coach's office window early in his career.

Point is maybe he could just be getting a bad rep. That said I don't think it matters because we probably won't land him anyway.

[TattoodCats4life]

I don't believe this trade will happen anymore, but in defense of Tinsley maybe he just needs a change of scenery. Rasheed Wallace wasn't too popular in Portland when he left. Once they shipped him to ATL he played one game before being traded to Detroit (where LB straightened him out and won a championship). Sprewell choked his coach in Golden State before becoming an integral part of the Knicks run to the championship in 2000. Areanas stuck a chair into a wall one game in San Antonio when he was playing for GS. And even Brent Barry threw a chair through his coach's office window early in his career.

Point is maybe he could just be getting a bad rep. That said I don't think it matters because we probably won't land him anyway.

You make a very good point, Larry has a way with the players,and a level of respect, that most other coaches, including LA-Phil, could only dream of... I think Larry would have Tinsley in game shape and coming off the bench behind DJ before St. Patrick's Day...

Whatever happens, ILBIT, the man knows what he's doing, even Lexy - who has played well in the recent games. The thing everyone doesnt get, he's 7 feet 1-1/2 inches, and hes a *3* not a 4 and most definitely NOT a 5...crazy as it is, he can spot up and shoot like a 2 as well, just scary with his length.

[BRNC]

I do not doubt the trade was discussed at some point in time...but Foster is a Bird favorite, (and I like what he does also), they are trying to cut salary,(not take on ie. Nazr contract), and I think we wanted a pick also...I think our demands (this time) were reasonable given the fact the Pacers have their backs to the wall over the Tinsley situation.

The other problem is (and why I think Ray goes West not East if traded) why should we help a team we're in a fight with for the last playoff spot?

[Weezy21]

i dont think this was posted yet



"The Pacers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4551) have until Feb. 19 to trade Jamaal Tinsley (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4301) this season, and his name again is circulating in rumors. Miami and Charlotte are two teams that have expressed interest in Tinsley in the past. An Internet report Tuesday mentioned Pacers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4551) center Jeff Foster (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4233) and possibly Brandon Rush going to Charlotte with Tinsley. The two teams have talked in the past, but a deal is not imminent. The Pacers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4551), however, have no interest in trading Foster or Rush. Foster received a two-year contract extension in October through 2010-11 and the team traded for Rush on draft day. If the Pacers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4551) made a trade with the Heat (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4554), they likely would have to take point guard Marcus Banks (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4371), who has two more years on his contract, or center Mark Blount (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4185)."
Indianapolis Star (http://www.indystar.com/article/20090211/SPORTS04/902110369/1088/SPORTS04)


http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba

[TattoodCats4life]

We may or may not make this trade ,who the hell knows...but consider this:

Indiana is backed into a dank, dark corner by the NBA Players Association, which is basically just shy of being in a similar spot with the teamsters "representatives" and their baseball bats... What we should do here honestly is see how much we can rob them. No, they most certainly WILL NOT give up Granger, ford or Duleavy.

Contractually speaking, Tinsley is just about equal to Nazr (3 years 6-7 mil escalating), and frankly I think Tinsley would be better on our bench than Nazr for the money. We could argue about it, but LB will "Fix" Tinsley, plus charlotte's fan's are quite a bit different than Indiana, and he could probably make us happy.

Sean May is worthless to us in his current shape, and I'm frankly not willing to pay him even league minimum next year to see what he's capable of, so if we could get Rush and Graham for him we'd be coming out well. Rush has an extra year on his contract, but thats just crazy to worry about.

Felton is the part on our side that makes this trade happen...They want him and they want Tinsley gone...That said, we need to get something good back besides the role players above in the Sean May portion... Someone who can start, or be a 6th man. For this I have selected Marquis Daniels. He is a bigger salary but its expiring, so we can either offer him our MLE next season, or let him go and have some cap for other FAs if the youth above in teh Sean May section has proved their worth.

Overall, if this trade does go, this is how I pray for it to happen, as I don't think we need 3 centers.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2200~2832~3457~1024~2753~2776~ 568&teams=30~30~30~30~11~11~11&te=&cash=

ILBIT,

[davcbow]

Whats the story with Tinsley? Why isnt he allowed to play? What happened? :cool:

[amour217]

Whats the story with Tinsley? Why isnt he allowed to play? What happened? :cool:

He's always in trouble, and honestly the Pacers have been trying to trade him for like 3 seasons now...

[WAM9]

I really like Foster but he is the only thing about this trade I like.

I really don't know much about Rush. He is probably years away from seriously contributing anyway.

Tinsley? I just don't know. Is Indiana being unreasonable with him? I doubt it.

For Raymond Felton, we can definitely do better and improving Indiana, at this point, might single-handedly keep us out of the playoffs.

ILBIT ... no way this deal goes down.

[ALuhrs704]

This trade cant happen,i just dont see it working out. I could see though if we traded felton somewhere else, then indiana buys out tinsleys contract and we sign him to the vet min....... i really like salmons so if we could get a felton for salmons id like that a hell of a lot more then any other deal ive heard.

[docend24]

Here's Bonnell's latest take:

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/02/feltonfortinsley-deal-no-given.html
Oh, you know what that means. Do you remember what he said before we acquired Richardson?

Thank you Raymond for all you have done in Charlotte. Thank you Nazr, mainly for the last season. Sean, bye, just go now.

[docend24]

That being sad I just hope I'm wrong and Bonnell is actually right by accident.

[Slam]

Oh, you know what that means. Do you remember what he said before we acquired Richardson?

Thank you Raymond for all you have done in Charlotte. Thank you Nazr, mainly for the last season. Sean, bye, just go now.
LOL!! I thought the exact same thing doc. Bonnell saying it wont happen pretty much makes it a lock to happen!

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

so far this season, none of those rumors have happened..if anything is being leaked out, its probably because the deal is dead. i don't think it will happen.

[BRNC]

LOL!! I thought the exact same thing doc. Bonnell saying it wont happen pretty much makes it a lock to happen!

Well...the Pacers want to/have to almost do a deal Slam...and I've never been opposed to us robbing another team if possible...Foster would be a good addition but I see very little (from the mentioned players) coming from the Pacers that would help us...so again...why should we help a team we're in a playoff fight against unless we can rob them...

I'd rather deal (if we do trade Ray) with the Kings or Portland...I think we'd get a better value and frankly I'd rather let McMay expire since 2.6 will come in handy unless he has to be included to make the numbers work...the team is putting the proverbial back to the wall with some of these contracts and look at the problems the Pacers are having moving Tinsley now...if he comes here and even slightly screws up we'd have to eat his contract since I don't think any other team would touch him if he did!

Plus...I think Ray could be signed for close to Tinsley money or if we do make the playoffs has more value (for trade) before the draft...IMO

[SCBobcat]

My two cents on Tinsley. You young guys don't seem to remember or have had the chance to see him play. Lately, with the exception of '06-'07, he has played about half a season before he gets hurt. He is not a cancer, but has been imature at times. Basically, Tinsley is Felton-light. They shoot about the same percentage, both dish about the same. However, Tinsley lacks some of the leadership and toughness that Felton has. In fantasy basketball, the dream scenario would be to draft Tinsley in the middle rounds and then trade him at the end of January when his value outperfomed his draft slot and before he got hurt. After Indiana decided not to go with him and trade for TJ and Jack instead, they were kind of stuck and had to bench him or else risk pissing everyone off by trying to divide minutes between the three of them. They had already made the decision to go with TJ, so they benched Tinsley. Thus, they find themselves in this situation.

[TattoodCats4life]

Everyone don't forget that Bonnell also said the Diop trade was dead in the water, but it wasn't, we just figured a better way to get him by playing on the Mav's implied need for a good 3 shooter.

[Slam]

so far this season, none of those rumors have happened..if anything is being leaked out, its probably because the deal is dead. i don't think it will happen.
Earlier in the season the word was that it was the Bobcats front office that had very loose lips - which was pissing a lot of other teams off.

[BRNC]

Very true Slam...and I was getting pissed off about...unless you have a star (Amare) then (it seems) the less inclined you appear to be about trading a player...the more other teams have an interest...I like the team appearing to be less inclined (with Ray) and that's why I give it a 90% to a west team...

There are a lot of teams wanting to make a splash with Amare but only one will...I see one of the ones not splashing coming after Ray (to make some splash with their fans)...I just hope if it happens we make a solid trade...that's all I want...SOLID to help the team....

[TattoodCats4life]

There are a lot of teams wanting to make a splash with Amare but only one will...I see one of the ones not splashing coming after Ray (to make some splash with their fans)...I just hope if it happens we make a solid trade...that's all I want...SOLID to help the team....

I never thought about that, there is likelihood we may get a "rebound" trade... The thing I like is that we've basically all but said the 2010 thing is a farce and we're not going to hoard cap space... (inherently saying we'll take great players who are on too-long contracts from teams who want to play in 2010).

[BRNC]

I know Ray has his critics...and I see his flaws but the fact remains (and not just my opinion) he is a staring pg in the NBA...the best PGs (right now) are in the West and Ray is a capable defender...I'm expecting (as you call it) one of the jilted to come after him in a strong way before the dead line...and as I said before my best guess (and it is a guess) remains Dallas, GSW, Kings, and Portland in no particular order and for vastly different reasons.

[G-Force for MVP]

Don't want tinsley at all much rather have felton

[etothet]

It's a win situation for Ray in Dallas. I know he doesn't want to leave Charlotte, but being in Dallas may not be a bad deal. Kidd is getting older and Ray could end up being their point guard of the future. I have mixed emotions because I see Charlotte building something nice. It's good to see Ray directing on the court and fighting through trouble (poor shooting) and still contribute to the team. A lot guys if they can't score, they have nothing else to offer. That is the improvement I see most of in Raymond. If they move him for business reasons, so be it. I would not trade Raymond Felton right now because I think Larry Brown's coaching has had a positive effect on his game. I see him only getting better.

[BRNC]

I'd like to see Ray stay if we could sign him for7-8 but I think his agent is after more and I can't really blame him for that...I do give cudos to LB because Ray has to a great degree elevated his game...and it is really getting hard to play a season with one PG...Dallas (IMO) would be a good fit for Ray (as well as Portland and the Kings)...he's tough and can defend...I just hope if the FO feels he can't be signed for what fits the team money then we really need a solid (at least a good SG and backup PG)...I'd still rather keep him now and make a deal before the draft if needed...if we have any chance to go to the playoffs I think it is enhanced with Ray here...

[dnbman]

I'd like to see Ray stay if we could sign him for7-8 but I think his agent is after more and I can't really blame him for that...I do give cudos to LB because Ray has to a great degree elevated his game...and it is really getting hard to play a season with one PG...Dallas (IMO) would be a good fit for Ray (as well as Portland and the Kings)...he's tough and can defend...I just hope if the FO feels he can't be signed for what fits the team money then we really need a solid (at least a good SG and backup PG)...I'd still rather keep him now and make a deal before the draft if needed...if we have any chance to go to the playoffs I think it is enhanced with Ray here...

I think he's got too many question marks to for more than 8 a season. I can't imagine too many teams in this CBA era spending much more than that.

The question is, what's the line we won't cross, the line that we won't match. 5 is obviously more than reasonable. But what about 7? How much is team culture worth?

My hope is that he agrees to a deal in the 6-7 range with another team and that we match.

[BRNC]

Eight would be my max because I see that as a contract that could be traded if it needed to be...problem is I think his agent is talking 10 and I don't want to go there...I like Ray and he can put the minutes in and the 7-8 range (Tinsley range) would make the FO happy...

The down side is if he stays someone (media) is always going to try and put Ray against DJ but TS...I'd rather keep him if it is the 7-8 range max...

[Ghost Kat]

Felton has play'd pretty good the last couple of games. I'm not sure if He'll get traded this year after all. But if so he should be able to bring in better player then we keep getting offered.

[davcbow]

All the reports I hear on TV and read in colums says the Bobcats management plan on keeping Felton.... Remains to be seen but thats what I keep hearing....:cool:

[BRNC]

I think if we're going to make a playoff run we should keep Ray (even with his flaws) since we've brought in a lot of players already...I'd only make a deal if we rob someone...if we make the playoffs (or even come close) his value will not decrease before the draft...

[teej]

I hope we bring back Felton, its what larry wants, but if Ray wants too much, then we cant keep him.

[JamieMcNeill]

All the reports I hear on TV and read in colums says the Bobcats management plan on keeping Felton.... Remains to be seen but thats what I keep hearing....:cool:
It's all a conspiracy...
the truth will set us free.
and the truth is that Higgins is selling the rights to Felton to Virtus Bologna in exchange for Earl Boykin and trading DJ to Olympiacos in exchange for Josh Childress.
JK.
I hope.

[ohara831]

If we can sign him, great. But it will suck big time if we dont trade him, and then are not able to resign him either. Then we get double screwed. That is my fear.

[BRNC]

If we can sign him, great. But it will suck big time if we dont trade him, and then are not able to resign him either. Then we get double screwed. That is my fear.

I agree but the thing is if no real good trade is offered before the dead line I doubt his value will fall before the draft...it may even increase when teams with a need for a starting pg get a real good look at this draft...I'd really want a solid player back if we do trade him but my fear is if he's traded our chances for the playoffs become slim and none...

[teej]

I agree but the thing is if no real good trade is offered before the dead line I doubt his value will fall before the draft...it may even increase when teams with a need for a starting pg get a real good look at this draft...I'd really want a solid player back if we do trade him but my fear is if he's traded our chances for the playoffs become slim and none...

The only good PG's in the draft (that I've seen so far) are Jeff Teague and Ty Lawson, and neither are as good as Felton, though Lawson's close.

Felton, if we don't get a steal now, needs to be kept, there are wayyy too many options over the summer.

[BRNC]

100% agree teej...no reason to give Ray away...make another team buy him...

[TattoodCatswife]

After seeing tonight's game I see no reason as of right now to trade Felton. He actually dunked tonight, I was quite shocked.

[SWedd523]

I'm not even going to waste my time reading through the 10 pages on this thread. I'm going to say something that I seriously hate saying but I can't help it:

You guys that think Tinsley is anywhere NEAR as good as Felton are complete tards. Tinsley's attitude itself is enough to make him a worse player. He plays half as many games because when he's not talking shit to his coaches or getting in fights, he's injured. HE HASN'T EVEN PLAYED IN A SINGLE GAME THIS YEAR.

How is he better? If he was better, why would they be willing to trade him for trash and a lesser PG? Let's be real serious here guys. Sure Ray is inconsistent, but Jesus Christmas is he better than Tinsley. His bad performances aren't any worse than what Tinsley averages for his career.

Why not pay Ray the amount of money Tinsley is making and bring him off the bench. That is basically the role Tinsley's going to play right? Or would you guys rather him start over DJ?

We would lose all sense of respect for our franchise if we made any deal giving them our starting PG for a guy that the Pacers have been openly BEGGING people to take. They've been basically offering him as a giveaway and not a single team has bitten (for a reason). All the teams that could use a PG haven't taken him. So why the hell should we?


Tinsley is a big NO! for my team. If he comes here then I would find it very hard to remain a fan of this franchise.

[BRNC]

Swedd no one really wants Tinsley here...

[davcbow]

Tinsley is a big NO! for my team. If he comes here then I would find it very hard to remain a fan of this franchise.

Man I understand how you feel, but dropping the Bobcats over that? I guess you arent a true Bobcats fan, because a true fan might not like it but still would love the Bobcats and hope for better days..... "ILBIT" and I dont think LB wants Tinsley, i think the trade was really for someone else and to make the trade they wanted us to give them Felts for Tinsley. The article was trying to make the Bobcats look silly, to ESPN we are the laughing stock and they want to keep it that way.... Think of this, who looks bad if we become a winning team? ESPN thats who because of all the trash they talk.....:cool:

[TattoodCatswife]

Man I understand how you feel, but dropping the Bobcats over that? I guess you arent a true Bobcats fan, because a true fan might not like it but still would love the Bobcats and hope for better days......:cool:

Very well put!!!!!

[Slam]

The only good PG's in the draft (that I've seen so far) are Jeff Teague and Ty Lawson, and neither are as good as Felton, though Lawson's close.
Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Ty Lawson, Patrick Mills and Darren Collison all say "hi".

That's without even mentioning guys like Curry, Price, Rice, Walker, Warren and Johnny Flynn.

[TattoodCats4life]

I honestly see us keeping felton, signing him to a low contract (for his talent) at like 7 mil, and then shipping him out to upgrade our position in the draft. Just an option we'll have, and I think we might do something like that... it's a "larry style" move.

[davcbow]

I honestly see us keeping felton, signing him to a low contract (for his talent) at like 7 mil, and then shipping him out to upgrade our position in the draft. Just an option we'll have, and I think we might do something like that... it's a "larry style" move.

Thats makes a hell of a lot better sense than trading Felts for some guy like Tinsley....:cool:

[spectre]

I honestly see us keeping felton, signing him to a low contract (for his talent) at like 7 mil, and then shipping him out to upgrade our position in the draft. Just an option we'll have, and I think we might do something like that... it's a "larry style" move.

Not going to happen.

For one, MJ said if they re-signed Felton it'd be to keep him. Second would be BYC, which would make moving him VERY difficult.

[TattoodCats4life]

Not going to happen.

For one, MJ said if they re-signed Felton it'd be to keep him. Second would be BYC, which would make moving him VERY difficult.


Good point, forgot about BYC.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dg8rtn

I think that with them giving us an unprotected first or like a protected first and some seconds. We're "solving a problem" for them and frankly Tinsley could do more than Nazr on the bench, and Im not willing to give up felton to move Narz's contract... but if i can "buy" a 1st for the difference between his and Tinsleys contract I'll take it. Above and beyond the young guys added to the deal ;)

[BETCATS]

http://slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/02/so-much-for-that-felton-tinsley-trade/

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

figures..all this rumours are BS

[TattoodCats4life]

figures..all this rumours are BS

Yup, its the trades you hear nothing of that happen...
Richardson to PHX
Ammo to LAL

Diop we heard about, but not anything like what went down... which honestly I think is the most likely case of this, something totally NOT what they said might go down... I say Nazr and May for Tinsley, picks and one cheap swingman. Which isnt bad because Nazr and Tins are equal on a dollar for dollar basis and what we could only assume a skill for skill basis, but I think Tins would end up contributing more than Nazr. Getting some picks (or an unprotected first for next year) and one of their cheaper guys like Graham would also give us more depth and that'd be good.

We can argue all day on the merits of tinsley, but when it comes down to it, they have an insane need to move him, and we have the room and matching contract to do it...so we should see what we can snag out of such a deal...and frankly im sure we're wheeling and dealing with our handful of players that Larry would be willing to move.

[SWedd523]

Man I understand how you feel, but dropping the Bobcats over that? I guess you arent a true Bobcats fan, because a true fan might not like it but still would love the Bobcats and hope for better days..... "ILBIT" and I dont think LB wants Tinsley, i think the trade was really for someone else and to make the trade they wanted us to give them Felts for Tinsley. The article was trying to make the Bobcats look silly, to ESPN we are the laughing stock and they want to keep it that way.... Think of this, who looks bad if we become a winning team? ESPN thats who because of all the trash they talk.....:cool:
How much of a fan I am has nothing to do with it. You simply do not make deals like that. What type of example or precedence are you setting for your franchise's/fan's future by trading one of the league's biggest warriors for one of the league's biggest cancers. If you're, as a franchise, willing to do that then you obviously don't have the team's best interest in mind. Sorry if that makes me a little wary:rolleyes:

[davcbow]

I never did think we would ever do that trade any how.... But still you dont go dumping your favorite team over bone headed moves.....:cool:

[spectre]

ESPN's Daily Dime (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090213)


NBA front-office sources said that longtime Mavs target Raymond Felton -- whom Dallas nearly acquired last month in a three-way deal with Charlotte and Oklahoma City that ultimately collapsed -- is far more likely to stay with the Bobcats than go in the season's final seven days of trading.

[tidiespi]

If you want to trade felts nazzy and mcmay, might as well get guys that have played this year.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=apfeby

This trade I think is the best scenario. Bobcats get out of Nazzy's contract and get a big man in return. A small big man but at least its a guy that isn't redundant with diop. You can also get a long term PG to back up DJ for a relatively cheap price. Unloading McMay's contract to make the deal work is just icing on the cake.

Sactown should do this because Beno Udrih is in no way a starting PG. He is an able back up and a spot starter but nothing more. Kenny Thomas ain't doing nothing on the bench so they might as well throw him away. They get expiring contract for 2009 free agency as well. Not a bad deal if you ask me.