What is Felton REALLY worth...

[TattoodCats4life]

We've got a tiny bit of time before the deadline, but assuming we offer Ray a real long term deal this summer what's he worth?

I haven't done any comparison with other PGs, but basing his skill on that of our retained (not rookie scale) players, I'd say something like this:

Start him off at 7.25 mil, give him typical raises to 7.5, 8, 8.5, 9, 10 over 6 years. What I'd try to do, and likely his agent would say "oh hell no" to is make at least the last year a team option.

Its hard to say though, Bell makes 5 mil, but so did Carroll,and on the other end of the spectrum Meka makes 9.5 going up a million a year to 14.5. Vlad makes 6.5 going to near 7, and I think that mid to high 7 mark is a good point to start ray out at because he's better than Vlad, better than Carroll, better then Bell (at some things), but he certainly isnt as good as Wallace or Meka.

This is just my opinion, and the whole point here is I want to see what do you guys think he'd be worth.., and a bit of what you think he's going to go after. I mean Mek wanted that 6th year, that was the sticking point this summer with him, are we going to see something like that with Ray?

[Alex]

I think Felton's agent is definitely making him feel like he deserves to get at least a contract of Wallace's caliber and that's bad news for us (if we keep him) because like you said, he's definitely not worth as much as Wallace.

[ohara831]

Which is why I say our FO needs to know by now what kind of money his agent and Felts will be demanding and will settle for. If it is Crash type money, send him on his way now for the best deal. But if it's reasonable, then resign him. But I would think the would already know the answer by now. It would be neglectful on their part if they did not get that info already.

[Slam]

See: Luke Ridnour, Jameer Nelson, Beno Udrih and Earl Watson.

[GoBobs]

Most restricted free agents want more money then they end up getting. If somebody offers Felton a deal then we match. Nobody is going to offer something we don't want to match. There are very few teams with cap space and even the very good free agents often don't get offered them money they think they are worth (see Ben Gordon who most people think is a notch above Felton). The number that hits me is 8 mil for 5 years or a 40 mil deal. If he doesn't want to sign that go with a qualifiing offer and see what other offers he gets.

[ALong13]

3 years 23-24 million...absolutely max IMO...Felton is a very good leader, but he's not worth breaking the bank over or giving an extremely long contract that we won't be able to trade if needed...

[Slam]

Spectre has had the right idea from the very start. Do the same thing with Felts that we did with Crash. Tell him he has started to show improvement and give him a 3 year deal @ around $6 mil per explaining that after that 3 year period and if he has continued to improve, he'll get his big pay day.

[ballwhore]

Jameer Nelson got something like 7yrs 35 million. Thats what about Felton is worth maybe less. I think he will get overpaid. Is his skill set better than Nelson? I'll take Jameer anyday over Raymond. So 7yrs at 35mil

[spectre]

Thanks! Felton seems the reasonable sort, so I think he'll go along with that.

Besides...if LB can continue to help him grow just imagine what he could get in a couple of years (That's what I'd tell Felton if I was Higgins anyway)?

OT...Bill Ingram's chat:



Double Trouble in Macon,GA:
Do you think the Bobcats will trade Raymond Felton before the trade deadline? And if they do trade him, what teams would look to acquire Felton?

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Bill Ingram:
Absolutely not . . .


Double Trouble in Maocn, GA:
What about this trade. Felton and May to Golden State for Murrow, Randolph, and Turiaf. I put in the trade machine and the numbers work.

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Bill Ingram:
Cats aren't moving Felton. They've told us that over and over again.




It certainly seems that someone has convinced Bill Ingram that we're not trading Felton.

[teej]

right now i would take 35/7 in a heartbeat, i dont know if ray would though.

I like spectre's idea too

many ways to go with this, not sure what the right one is

[TattoodCats4life]

I like the short term, more than qualifying offer, but not wallace level pay contract. That sounds like its safe for us and he's getting more, with the promise of either we'll give a lot more next or he'll get traded somewhere where he can get that big big pay day.

[spectre]

We just traded Hammer for Diop, and it's well known that management offered the exact same deal this summer to him as he's on now. If management is willing to pay Diop 6.5 average over 5 years...what is Felton worth?

If I were Felton I'd certainly point that one out.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

great topic.. i really don't think that we will trade felton, i believe that we will retain him

i'm in agreement with spectre/big slam, it will be a deal like wallace.. and i think if presented, he would take it. i don't like the idea of a long term contract, regardless of how much we are paying.. we need the short term contract in case DJ becomes really good and we can afford trading felton in the next three years

[Slam]

we need the short term contract in case DJ becomes really good and we can afford trading felton in the next three years
That's the best thing about Spectre's idea. If we do decide that DJ is the way we want to go and Felts is being paid $6 mil a season, it makes him very attractive to other teams and in a few years time and we should have no problem trading him while getting a good return.

OR

He improves so much that we keep him on his good contract and trade DJ while Felts takes us to the promised land.

Before all that happens though, we have a starting quality PG on a very good deal and a starting quality back up PG still on his rookie contract so it's a win/win/win for us.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

That's the best thing about Spectre's idea. If we do decide that DJ is the way we want to go and Felts is being paid $6 mil a season, it makes him very attractive to other teams and in a few years time and we should have no problem trading him while getting a good return.

OR

He improves so much that we keep him on his good contract and trade DJ while Felts takes us to the promised land.

Before all that happens though, we have a starting quality PG on a very good deal and a starting quality back up PG still on his rookie contract so it's a win/win/win for us.

you nailed it...i hadn't thought about even the potential than in 3 years Felton becomes so good that we could trade DJ.

I really hope that things shake down like this (keep felton on a short term contract)

[SWedd523]

you nailed it...i hadn't thought about even the potential than in 3 years Felton becomes so good that we could trade DJ.

I really hope that things shake down like this (keep felton on a short term contract)
We need to keep his contract short though. I don't like 7 year long contracts as they become damn near impossible to trade unless the other team SERIOUSLY wants to make a move.

I wouldn't mind paying Ray in the 6-7 range on a 3 year deal, much like the one spectre and Slam are alluding to. That way, we pay reasonable money for his value to the team but also keep his contract appealing to other teams.

[JamieMcNeill]

We need to keep his contract short though. I don't like 7 year long contracts as they become damn near impossible to trade unless the other team SERIOUSLY wants to make a move.

I wouldn't mind paying Ray in the 6-7 range on a 3 year deal, much like the one spectre and Slam are alluding to. That way, we pay reasonable money for his value to the team but also keep his contract appealing to other teams.
That is the key. Because if he becomes more expensive to us we lose our flexibility. And that is one of the single most important things for a GM: flexibility.

[TattoodCats4life]

Ill be honest, on a shorter deal, I'd be willing to pay ray more than on a long deal... Its easier to move 8.25 mil flat with 2 years left than 7 mil escalating with 4 years left 9 times out of 10.

[bellringer21]

A rumor of Felton to Miami for Daquan Cook and others....I dont give it much thought though.

Felton will be able to get a 5-year deal (maximum allowed is 5 years) at the mid-level exception without a doubt....teams will overpay him at that rate so the Bobcats would be less likely to match the offer. That is the lowest deal I can see him taking.....I can also see him getting so much more from a team that is under the cap.

I fully expect Felton to get a 5 year deal this offseason and I don't see why he wouldn't want that.....

[TattoodCatswife]

A rumor of Felton to Miami for Daquan Cook and others....I dont give it much thought though.

Felton will be able to get a 5-year deal (maximum allowed is 5 years) at the mid-level exception without a doubt....teams will overpay him at that rate so the Bobcats would be less likely to match the offer. That is the lowest deal I can see him taking.....I can also see him getting so much more from a team that is under the cap.

I fully expect Felton to get a 5 year deal this offseason and I don't see why he wouldn't want that.....

I would not mind Daquan Cook whatsoever

[bellringer21]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeTalk-090217

Link about Heat looking for a PG and Cook as trade bait....

[TattoodCats4life]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeTalk-090217

Link about Heat looking for a PG and Cook as trade bait....

I read that, and also see the part above the Miami area where they put in that Portland DOES want wallace but we keep telling them they must take Nazr... Personally I think for wallace they'd have to give a lot more or take a lot more garbage.

[TattoodCatswife]

I read that, and also see the part above the Miami area where they put in that Portland DOES want wallace but we keep telling them they must take Nazr... Personally I think for wallace they'd have to give a lot more or take a lot more garbage.

I TOTALLY don't want to trade Wallace and if we trade Wallace there goes our chances for the playoffs. If they trade Wallace it is going to be a VERY long time before I forgive the FO, or Jordan, or Larry, and whoever else is involved in this. Then again the FO won't care much if I'm mad at them cuz they don't even know me :D

[Jeff41]

God I am so ready for this deadline to hurry up and pass, some of these trade scenarios ESPN is throwing out are making me nauseaous

[davcbow]

God I am so ready for this deadline to hurry up and pass, some of these trade scenarios ESPN is throwing out are making me nauseous

ESPN makes me sick anyhow.....:cool:

[TattoodCatswife]

God I am so ready for this deadline to hurry up and pass, some of these trade scenarios ESPN is throwing out are making me nauseaous

Yeah I know, the idea of trading Wallace is enough to make me vomit

[teej]

Yeah I know, the idea of trading Wallace is enough to make me vomit

I think I might just skip school if we trade him, I couldn't concentrate anyway :mad::mad::mad: