ESPN article on trade of Crash

[ohara831]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeOptions-090217

Interesting that Ford says we should do this. By his own analysis, this decreases our wins by 6 but increases Portlands by 4? Is he more focused on the expiring of Raef L.? Does he think Batum and Rodriguez have long term benefits for the Cats?

What do you think?

[grantleew]

heres what espn said:
Why should the Blazers do it?
This is the perfect market for a team like Portland to pick up an excellent player without giving up much in return. Rodriguez and Batum have promise, but Wallace is the real deal. He would add the kind of toughness and versatility that could put the Blazers over the top.
Why should the Bobcats do it?
They are rebuilding this team in Larry Brown's image. This deal gives them some young talent, but more importantly some cap space. Given their recent moves, they could use it.
Will it happen?
The Blazers are in an enviable position. They have what might be the best asset in the NBA right now in LaFrentz's contract.
Sources say that they have their choice of Wallace, Richard Jefferson or Caron Butler if they're willing to send a few young players and LaFrentz's contract. Wallace, Jefferson and Butler all have their strengths, but for the Blazers' needs, I think Wallace is the best fit.


you guys think this is true....i hope not but we will see,here is the link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeOptions-090217

[amour217]

I just don't see the Bobcats dealing Crash at this point for the simple fact that he's not even returned from a pretty bad injury, of which he seemingly has at least one per year. I love Crash, but if you look at it from other teams' perspective, it's difficult to trade a fair set of players for a seemingly-often-injured player who isn't even back on the floor. If someone proposed us trading some of our decent players for someone who's currently injured, those of us on this board would have a cow...so I just don't see it happening.

[MilZo]

This won't happen, the Cats already have enough French players.

Seriously though, I really don't see this happening since it would go against LB's efforts of bringing more veterans. Batum will be a very solid SF but LB wants the Cats to win now or at worst next season if we dug ourselves too big of a hole with the poor start + Crash's injury.

[TattoodCatswife]

I totally don't agree with this

[Chef]

ford and the rest of the national writers/analysts have no idea what this team is all about or even the climate of the team. they all think "it makes sense" for us to trade our best player and the heart of the team for promising players and an expiring in a complete rip off of a deal.

[TattoodCats4life]

I just don't see the Bobcats dealing Crash at this point for the simple fact that he's not even returned from a pretty bad injury, of which he seemingly has at least one per year. I love Crash, but if you look at it from other teams' perspective, it's difficult to trade a fair set of players for a seemingly-often-injured player who isn't even back on the floor. If someone proposed us trading some of our decent players for someone who's currently injured, those of us on this board would have a cow...so I just don't see it happening.

For real, if Wiz called and said "How about Arenas for Felton, May and Nazr" I'd shit a brick if we pulled the trigger.

[JamieMcNeill]

Yea WTF is this?

What are we gonna do with cap space? What FA wants to come here?
Rodriguez and Batum are nice pieces but for Crash?

I thought they wanted Felton anyway?
WTF

[GoBobs]

I would be shocked if Wallace wasn't LB's favorite player on the team. He is George Lynch but way better. Wallace is the one player on this roster that gets to the free throw line constantly and he is money from the stripe this year.

Has anybody bothered to ask how the Trailblazers have all these players with bad contracts that get hurt and get insurance money, see Darius Miles who's contract they were almost able to escape. I am not saying there is anything underhanded going on for sure, but it is a sign on how messed up the nba contract system is when the best commodity in the league is a contract that should be a team killer but the insurance is picking up the tab so it is both cap space and payroll relief. It would sure be tempting to say this guy is really hurt if he has a big contract and turns out to suck.

The Bobcats would never make a move like this anyway because they are concerned about looking cheap, and if we did this everyone knows every announcer that can get our name right and plenty who can't too would be calling us cheap all over national tv.

[TattoodCats4life]

I'm of the feeling that when something comes out in the media it was discussed and likely shot down. Some shot down come back (Diop) others dont (this and tinsley trade). Either way, we're about 48 hours out from knowing what all but one of our roster spots is for the rest of the season..

[Mustachio]

i dont think it will happen, he would have to pass a physical wouldnt he?

I actually wouldnt mind it. We get a good young SG and a potential laden SF. Cap space isnt the issue and I love Crash. But i also love potential and youth. Wallace has seen his potential and youth isnt on his side. I'm not advocating it or anything, but I wouldn't be outraged. What have they done so far that hasnt been good for us? ILBIT B's

[coordinator0]

i dont think it will happen, he would have to pass a physical wouldnt he?

I actually wouldnt mind it. We get a good young SG and a potential laden SF. Cap space isnt the issue and I love Crash. But i also love potential and youth. Wallace has seen his potential and youth isnt on his side. I'm not advocating it or anything, but I wouldn't be outraged. What have they done so far that hasnt been good for us? ILBIT B's


I agree with you to an extent there. If we were to trade Crash this is one of the few deals that I would like, and i really like Batum. He isn't much of a project player, and he already plays pretty good D. That being said IDK why we would want a 4th PG in Sergio. I don't think he's quite big enough to help us out full time at the 2, but if we had another trade involving Felts it would make sense.

In the end, I really don't want to trade Crash.

[davcbow]

Those people at ESPN are on drugs... We should in no way trade Crash peroid... Wishful hoping on Espn's part to ruin the Bobcats and make all their trash talking articles about us seem more legit.... :cool:

[chabber]

Everything they've been bulding towards this season basketball wise would be out the window this trade. I don't like it at all. I'd call and cancel my season tickets immediately with them stripping any hope of us making the playoffs this season or next barring a major shakeup. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be a fan but they wouldn't be getting my money for a 6th season in a row.

[coordinator0]

Those people at ESPN are on drugs... We should in no way trade Crash peroid... Wishful hoping on Espn's part to ruin the Bobcats and make all their trash talking articles about us seem more legit.... :cool:

+1. Most of their so called "experts" are nothing but talking heads that think the big market/historical teams are great, while any of the newer teams are complete trash. Oh, and Bill Simmons is still the biggest prick in the world.

[Chef]

like him or hate him, bill simmons is usually pretty on with his critiques of us. sure he has some theatrical joking etc, but that is his thing. i will say he is usually pretty quick to change his tune as teams get better. i am interested to hear what he will say now that we have changed our team from a collection of college all-stars on team going nowhere to a legit eastern conference playoff contender.

[BRNC]

I think if we actually make a trade with Portland it will not involve Crash but Ray...

[TattoodCats4life]

I think if we actually make a trade with Portland it will not involve Crash but Ray...

That's so true.. They need a great PG to move forward, so we should try to get some good players from them, I'd love for us to get Fernandez, Rodriguez, and something small to fill the salary diff.

[TattoodCats4life]

I think if we actually make a trade with Portland it will not involve Crash but Ray...

That's so true.. They need a great PG to move forward, so we should try to get some good players from them, I'd love for us to get Fernandez, Rodriguez, and something small to fill the salary diff.

[bellringer21]

We dont need Raef to make a deal....Felton for Bayless? Anyone else like that deal? We get Bayless to play next to DJ and let DJ take over

I just know that I don't see us paying Felton 7+ million when we have a starting PG like DJ on our roster as well.

I could see Crash and Felton both being traded to Portland for Raef, Bayless, Batum, Rodriguez etc.

[TattoodCatswife]

We dont need Raef to make a deal....Felton for Bayless? Anyone else like that deal? We get Bayless to play next to DJ and let DJ take over

I just know that I don't see us paying Felton 7+ million when we have a starting PG like DJ on our roster as well.

I could see Crash and Felton both being traded to Portland for Raef, Bayless, Batum, Rodriguez etc.

I don't see us trading Crash period. Felton with Nazr or Felton with May I can see happening to trade to Portland.

[Weezy21]

We dont need Raef to make a deal....Felton for Bayless? Anyone else like that deal? We get Bayless to play next to DJ and let DJ take over

I just know that I don't see us paying Felton 7+ million when we have a starting PG like DJ on our roster as well.

I could see Crash and Felton both being traded to Portland for Raef, Bayless, Batum, Rodriguez etc.

if we KNOW for a fact that we will not sign felton back then i can kinda see why ud want to do this but i really dont like the thought of trading both team captains an ur heart an soul...it could really mess things up....yes gerald gets hurt a lot i no, but they dont call him the Force for nothing...maybe im a little biased but i would prefer to keep crash.

an tatoodcat, while id LOVE to get rudy out of a deal with portland, theres NO way i see them trading him

[ammofan]

What r the Bobcats doing? That hurts our chances. Only player I want from Portland for Crash is either LMA, Roy, or Fernandez. And those aren't gonna happen.

[TattoodCatswife]

an tatoodcat, while id LOVE to get rudy out of a deal with portland, theres NO way i see them trading him

I keep telling hubby that but he keeps his fingers crossed for something to happen for us to get him :)

[Weezy21]

I keep telling hubby that but he keeps his fingers crossed for something to happen for us to get him :)

him an me both haha

[davcbow]

People! Its just another Espn article... Has anything they said happened this year? No.....:cool:

[TattoodCatswife]

People! Its just another Espn article... Has anything they said happened this year? No.....:cool:

I think we are all just paranoid at the thought of EVER losing Crash

[Weezy21]

ya i think the front office is very concerned with his durability an mite want to get good value in return as soon as poosible...i mean they did admit to trying to trade him for tj ford...an that was b4 the collapsed lung....anything is possible

[Proudiddy]

Just checked the same page again and apparently Ford updated it... It now says that Wallace appears to be the Blazers favorite target but the hang up is that we are asking them to take Nazr's contract as well. Man, unless we get two legit pieces from them back, I would be pissed beyond belief at our FO. Like I said, unless we get two serious pieces in return, I don't do it. I don't trade GDub for any ONE player in the league besides Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Howard, Bosh and maybe Carmelo.

Here's the quote:


The focus for the Blazers right now appears to be at the small forward position. It appears that three players -- Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler and Richard Jefferson -- are on Pritchard's radar screen. A fourth one, Mike Miller, is also a favorite of the Blazers, but the Wolves have been reluctant to include him in a deal.

Sources say the Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace. He's young, athletic and physical, and he doesn't need to score to be an impact player. He has four years and $38 million left on his contract, which is a lot, but given his age and production the past few years, it's not unreasonable. The problem for the Blazers is that the Bobcats want Portland to take back Nazr Mohammed as part of the deal. That could be a deal-breaker for Pritchard.

[BRNC]

This is a little more depth to Chad Ford guessing that we might trade Crash to Portland...I do consider the source (Chad Ford) but it makes some sense...Crash is a piece they need but I'm aware that Pritchard likes to bait and switch (why I think he really wants Ray) to get a player he really wants...I do agree that if we are insisting Nazr be included that no deal will happen which (IMO) would not be a bad thing...Ray will not lose value before the draft and the team does not play as well without Crash...we're in the waiting game now...


http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeTalk-090217

"The focus for the Blazers right now appears to be at the small forward position. It appears that three players -- Gerald Wallace (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1026), Caron Butler and Richard Jefferson -- are on Pritchard's radar screen. A fourth one, Mike Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=558), is also a favorite of the Blazers, but the Wolves have been reluctant to include him in a deal.
Sources say the Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace. He's young, athletic and physical, and he doesn't need to score to be an impact player. He has four years and $38 million left on his contract, which is a lot, but given his age and production the past few years, it's not unreasonable. The problem for the Blazers is that the Bobcats want Portland to take back Nazr Mohammed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=568) as part of the deal. That could be a deal-breaker for Pritchard."

[TattoodCatswife]

My main concern is let's say they don't trade Crash this year. What is going to happen next year? Keep our fingers crossed again all the way until February of next season for the trade deadline to come fast so he can be saved again? I'm just at the point that they keep talking about it and keep talking about it that I'm just like gawd just DO IT already and get it over with so they can stop playing with my heart strings and hemming and hawing that they are going to trade the absolute BEST player on the team and my favorite player. It just sucks and they are all annoying me at this point.

[davcbow]

My main concern is let's say they don't trade Crash this year. What is going to happen next year? Keep our fingers crossed again all the way until February of next season for the trade deadline to come fast so he can be saved again? I'm just at the point that they keep talking about it and keep talking about it that I'm just like gawd just DO IT already and get it over with so they can stop playing with my heart strings and hemming and hawing that they are going to trade the absolute BEST player on the team and my favorite player. It just sucks and they are all annoying me at this point.

The "only" way I'd ever go along with a trade of Crash is that we got exactly what we want out of the deal and we would have to get the better end of the deal. In order to get better you just dont go out and shoot yourself in the foot....:cool:

[BRNC]

Dav...at this point I doubt any of us knows what LB would consider as "better"...I think it is doubtful we make the playoffs this year so we're (as a franchise) are faced with the reality of being a small market team...having cap space (not just to get a free agent) is having money...it would put the franchise in the position to possibly get a good player (ala Camby) before the draft in a salary dump...and Crash (unfortunately) is exactly what Portland needs (along with a better PG)...if we trade I thought they were one of the four most likely...I'm going to wait out the next two days and try not to be surprised by anything...Crash or Ray leaving in a trade falls under that "it would not surprise me" scenarios for many reasons...I'd like them both to stay but "better" at this point is relative I guess...

[davcbow]

Dav...at this point I doubt any of us knows what LB would consider as "better"...I think it is doubtful we make the playoffs this year so we're (as a franchise) are faced with the reality of being a small market team...having cap space (not just to get a free agent) is having money...it would put the franchise in the position to possibly get a good player (ala Camby) before the draft in a salary dump...and Crash (unfortunately) is exactly what Portland needs (along with a better PG)...if we trade I thought they were one of the four most likely...I'm going to wait out the next two days and try not to be surprised by anything...Crash or Ray leaving in a trade falls under that "it would not surprise me" scenarios for many reasons...I'd like them both to stay but "better" at this point is relative I guess...

It would be a major mistake. If we would have started the season with our presant team we would be in the thick of it right now. To me we need Crash and we can win with Crash. I dont think we could find a player as good as Crash for the same money. :cool:

[BRNC]

I agree Dav but we're not doing the trades...but I have to hope if he or Ray is traded it puts us in a position to be competitive and go to the playoffs next year at least...but I'd rather stand pat right now unless it is an extremely good deal...and dealing with Pritchard I have doubts about getting an extremely good deal...

[ohara831]

In his Chat this afternoon, Chad Ford was saying Portland will land either Jefferson or Wallace. Wallace is who they want. if they take Nazr with him and we get what we want - what LB wants - then I'd be OK with it. Main thing is : ILBIT

[davcbow]

...and dealing with Pritchard I have doubts about getting an extremely good deal...

And thus is why I said...


The "only" way I'd ever go along with a trade of Crash is that we got exactly what we want out of the deal and we would have to get the better end of the deal.

[Jeff41]

Why is Wallace ever mentioned in trade rumors? He is the heart and soul of this team and should be considered untouchable. I'm done with this organization if they trade Crash

[Jeff41]

In his Chat this afternoon, Chad Ford was saying Portland will land either Jefferson or Wallace. Wallace is who they want. if they take Nazr with him and we get what we want - what LB wants - then I'd be OK with it. Main thing is : ILBIT

Who cares what Portland wants? I want Lebron but he's not available. The Bobcats had better not be shopping him and this is just Portland wishing

[TattoodCats4life]

Who cares what Portland wants? I want Lebron but he's not available. The Bobcats had better not be shopping him and this is just Portland wishing

From what i've read only DJ and Meka (BYC) are untouchable here. ***BUT*** Wallace is at the bottom of our trade options due to his $/skill ratio. Portland wanted Felton REAL bad, but wouldn't take Nazr...If they take Nazr and Wallace (and im sure thats the only way we'd do it plus or minus may) they'd be taking a lot more salary and commitment and have to give us back LOTs more back to make it work dollar wise... I'm going to play in the trade machine and see if i can find a favorable trade tha moves Wallace and Nazr to Portland.

[TattoodCats4life]

Got this to work, and would steal us cap and talent.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c54un2

This one is nice too, and they wanted felton earlier.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bn2wlj

[Jeff41]

I don't get it. I mean I don't like Nazr's worthless arse either but trade a centerpiece of the team to unload the contract? NO We can get a team that needs a PG to bite on Felton & Nazr before the deadline IMO

[TattoodCatswife]

In his Chat this afternoon, Chad Ford was saying Portland will land either Jefferson or Wallace. Wallace is who they want. if they take Nazr with him and we get what we want - what LB wants - then I'd be OK with it. Main thing is : ILBIT

I understand ILBIT but I don't want to give up Wallace at all. If we do that we aren't going to the playoffs and we are losing the backbone of our team.

[spectre]

I don't get it. I mean I don't like Nazr's worthless arse either but trade a centerpiece of the team to unload the contract? NO We can get a team that needs a PG to bite on Felton & Nazr before the deadline IMO

Thing is, after 30 games Nazr will only have 2 years left on his contract...around 13-14 million. Why in the hell would the FO entertain losing anyone over that I have no idea.

[G-Force for MVP]

seriously moving wallace is a bad move. He is a fan favorite, i no quite a few people who go just to see him.

Also he is my favorite player i will be really pissed if he is gone.

[b-nukle]

I don't want to see him go, but if it does happen. I would like some young talent. It is also going to depend on what happens tonight against the Magic. The whole team will be healthy. If they play good, they keep this team together. If not, they may shake things up.

This trade works out, it gives us young talent and cap space for the future.

Trade ID #5019207 (http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5019207)


Bobcats
Fernandez
Outlaw
Bayless
LaFrentz(expiring contract)

Portland
Felton
Wallace
Mohammed

[Weezy21]

b-nukle i was just about to put that same trade except add May in the mix...and again id ONLY do this is we knew felton was gunna be too expensive

[teej]

I wouldnt do any of these trade's if I was Rod Higgins (not LB, get to that later), because nobody you get back from Portland is going to replace the people (numerous people, maybe even me) you would lose from getting rid of the Force. He is a Captain, he is the soul of this team (Ray is the heart, but he has no soul), he puts plenty of people in the empty seats at the Cable Box, and he loves this team, and this team loves him.

As faar as the basketball side, if we were playing on a video game, I would probably do a few of thses deals, they make sense financially and on-court, and the fit LB's style I do believe. Rudy, Batum, Bayless, and Outlaw are all good players that I would like to have on my team. BUT I would not like to lose them at expense to Gerald.

In conclusion, even if it made the team better, I wouldn't want to do it, but that's why I'm in high school, not the GM of the Bobcats.

[TattoodCatswife]

I wouldnt do any of these trade's if I was Rod Higgins (not LB, get to that later), because nobody you get back from Portland is going to replace the people (numerous people, maybe even me) you would lose from getting rid of the Force. He is a Captain, he is the soul of this team (Ray is the heart, but he has no soul), he puts plenty of people in the empty seats at the Cable Box, and he loves this team, and this team loves him.

As faar as the basketball side, if we were playing on a video game, I would probably do a few of thses deals, they make sense financially and on-court, and the fit LB's style I do believe. Rudy, Batum, Bayless, and Outlaw are all good players that I would like to have on my team. BUT I would not like to lose them at expense to Gerald.

In conclusion, even if it made the team better, I wouldn't want to do it, but that's why I'm in high school, not the GM of the Bobcats.

This was well put teej. I am at the point that if I found out that Crash actually gets traded I am going to tear up some (I'm a girl, cut me a break please ;)).

[BRNC]

teej I'd do it for two reasons...Crash is one more concussion from being out of the league and Portland (not a primary reason) is a good team that could probably go deep in the playoffs with him (frankly I could care less about Portland but will always pull for Gerald)...our chances of the playoffs this year are slim so we bring in two good young talents...gain some cap space for a salary dump before the draft...and make playing time available to players already here to see how they will play together...

The last thing I want to see is Gerald injured again but there is a high probability...Portland thinks (and rightly so) that they could be a lot better with him and I'd like to see him do well...it might be his only chance since (as we all know) he could get that last injury at any time...

[TattoodCatswife]

teej I'd do it for two reasons...Crash is one more concussion from being out of the league and Portland (not a primary reason) is a good team that could probably go deep in the playoffs with him (frankly I could care less about Portland but will always pull for Gerald)...our chances of the playoffs this year are slim so we bring in two good young talents...gain some cap space for a salary dump before the draft...and make playing time available to players already here to see how they will play together...

The last thing I want to see is Gerald injured again but there is a high probability...Portland thinks (and rightly so) that they could be a lot better with him and I'd like to see him do well...it might be his only chance since (as we all know) he could get that last injury at any time...

Ok, so the Bobcats should get other players to help out Wallace so Wallace doesn't have to fully play to that level anymore. At least give him a chance to gel with Radmanovic and see how that works out cuz with Rad's scoring Wallace may not have to work so hard. On another note how does Portland know they could do a lot better with him? Knowing Wallace going anywhere else doesn't mean he isn't going to change his style of play from what he does here. I don't think he has it in him. He is a high intensity player.

[Weezy21]

ya thats true...id b pissed if gerald's career was ended abrubtly due to injury an we get nothing out of it....plus he is my favorite player so id like to watch whoop up on west in the playoffs

but deep down im hoping we keep him anhe doesnt get seriously injured as a bobcat....i just dont kno how good my luck is

[teej]

teej I'd do it for two reasons...Crash is one more concussion from being out of the league and Portland (not a primary reason) is a good team that could probably go deep in the playoffs with him (frankly I could care less about Portland but will always pull for Gerald)...our chances of the playoffs this year are slim so we bring in two good young talents...gain some cap space for a salary dump before the draft...and make playing time available to players already here to see how they will play together...

The last thing I want to see is Gerald injured again but there is a high probability...Portland thinks (and rightly so) that they could be a lot better with him and I'd like to see him do well...it might be his only chance since (as we all know) he could get that last injury at any time...


Gerald could have a few more concussions and be fine, he coul die tomorrow, you never know. As far as our playoff chances, obviously you havent watched Diaw, Bell, Crash, OK50, Ray, DJ and Diop play, have you? When everyone is healthy, I daresay we have shot at Orlando in a series.

[TattoodCatswife]

Gerald could have a few more concussions and be fine, he coul die tomorrow, you never know. As far as our playoff chances, obviously you havent watched Diaw, Bell, Crash, OK50, Ray, DJ and Diop play, have you? When everyone is healthy, I daresay we have shot at Orlando in a series.

Yeah with that combo we definitely do have a shot at them

[BRNC]

Well...I'd like to be optimistic but the chances of winning 20 out of the next 30 is daunting...with Crash and or Ray...I think if we trade either LB will be playing for next year...I'm not excited about trading either since I like both players (and yes...Crash is my favorite player also) but if we are going to trade either I'd like something back...and all-in-all the Portland trade would be good for both teams...just my opinion...

[spectre]

This was well put teej. I am at the point that if I found out that Crash actually gets traded I am going to tear up some (I'm a girl, cut me a break please ;)).

I'm a guy and I'd tear up too. :cry:

I just don't think you tell a team (and this would be the message) that they don't have what it takes to make up 4 games in 30...especially being how well they were playing before Crash got took out.

[davcbow]

Ive learned over the years its better to be optomistic than it is to be pessimistic, so I dont listen to those types of people. We do have a chance and I wont say we dont until we dont without a doubt. But like you say spectre we have to make up 4 games in 30 and it is very possible to do.....:cool:

[BRNC]

I'm a guy and I'd tear up too. :cry:

I just don't think you tell a team (and this would be the message) that they don't have what it takes to make up 4 games in 30...especially being how well they were playing before Crash got took out.

Spectre I'm with you on this and prefaced by saying I'd keep Ray and Crash...but I'm just not sure that it is the direction the FO is going to take...I think the only chance for the playoffs this year is to keep both...my comments about the (speculated) trade are only on the merits...and anyone that thinks a small market team like ours does not need cap flexability needs to re-think that thought...it is why I've been opposed to bringing in some of the contracts that we have...BJ may be putting pressure for relief (I don't know that) but many teams are looking for cap relief...but again...if we trade either Crash or Ray I also see it as throwing in the towel on this season and I'd hate that...

[Keetch]

At the beginning of the article Ford says "..these deals are hypothetical. I am not saying that they will happen, or that they even have been discussed by teams -- I'm just saying they should happen." Ford is such a frickin' homer.

So how the hell do we go from that to the Blazers won't accept Mohammed's contract? sheesh Poor Nazzie must have some kinda disease. At least 28 NBA teams must have rejected him by now, at least according to ESPN.

I bet the Bobcats really enjoy getting these stupid offers; I can hear LB now (tongue-in-cheek) "tellim' they gotta take Nazzie or we're not interested" and then laughing out loud.

I've got a much better idea than Ford's trade; how about we trade them Diop for Aldridge? Now I'm not saying this will happen; I'm just saying it should. Probably won't though; I just heard the Blazers insisted that we take Batum too, and LB just ain't interested in raw youngin's.

[teej]

At the beginning of the article Ford says "..these deals are hypothetical. I am not saying that they will happen, or that they even have been discussed by teams -- I'm just saying they should happen." Ford is such a frickin' homer.

So how the hell do we go from that to the Blazers won't accept Mohammed's contract? sheesh Poor Nazzie must have some kinda disease. At least 28 NBA teams must have rejected him by now, at least according to ESPN.

I bet the Bobcats really enjoy getting these stupid offers; I can hear LB now (tongue-in-cheek) "tellim' they gotta take Nazzie or we're not interested" and then laughing out loud.

I've got a much better idea than Ford's trade; how about we trade them Diop for Aldridge? Now I'm not saying this will happen; I'm just saying it should. Probably won't though; I just heard the Blazers insisted that we take Batum too, and LB just ain't interested in raw youngin's.

LMAO!!!!!!!

[BETCATS]

I dont know if its been said before, but what the hell do we need 4 point guards for? UNLESS we trade Felton on the deadline to G-State AND execute this deal (which i dont see happening) i give it a F----.

However, knowing the media and their (lack of) knowledge, this will not happen.

[BETCATS]

Gerald could have a few more concussions and be fine, he coul die tomorrow, you never know. As far as our playoff chances, obviously you havent watched Diaw, Bell, Crash, OK50, Ray, DJ and Diop play, have you? When everyone is healthy, I daresay we have shot at Orlando in a series. You mean when Jameer is out right? Cause we could beat then with him out. With him playing, idk.

[coordinator0]

You mean when Jameer is out right? Cause we could beat then with him out. With him playing, idk.

I'd wager that Felts (if he's still on the team lol) could keep Jameer in check. We really cold match up well with ORL if that's the case, but let's wait and see if our guys come back healthy before we make any playoff predictions lol.

[SWedd523]

Basically, the whole idea of this is ESPN's attempt to make their pet team better. Why the fuck would we even consider a stupid idea like that. Batum and Sergio? Let's be serious dude. If Wallace is really their missing link then you best believe we'd have a better pick of the plethora of young talent they have.

He says "This is the perfect market for a team like Portland to pick up an excellent player without giving up much in return."

Well no shit sherlock. I'd love to do http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=datyl2

and there's plenty of reason why Charlotte should do it, but derrrrr Chad. Use your brain

[spectre]

Hahahah...you had to know the drama was going to last til Thursday!

New post on RGM Portland board:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=882775


Trade will be announced by 3PM if the team accepts KP's offer.

It is an Eastern team that is currently outside of the playoffs. It will involve a SF and PG. The team that the offer is on the table for plays tonight. KP wants to get the deal done today to avoid any injury issues.

Believe me or not. I want to remind you that I was about an hour ahead of PA announcing his purchase of the RG.

That said, the ball is in the other team's court, so nothing is for sure"

I am thinking CHI or Char as most likely.Charlotte, Milwaukee & Chicago...all rumored to be talking to Portland...all play tonight.

Edit:

I would have guessed Milwaukee, but they are currently in the playoffs.

[coordinator0]

Hahahah...you had to know the drama was going to last til Thursday!

New post on RGM Portland board:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=882775

Charlotte, Milwaukee & Chicago...all rumored to be talking to Portland...all play tonight.

Edit:

I would have guessed Milwaukee, but they are currently in the playoffs.

That's pretty vague lol. Maybe the poster at Olive is their version of ballwhore?

[davcbow]

That's pretty vague lol. Maybe the poster at Olive is their version of ballwhore?

Maybe it is Ballwhore. Larry likes our team as is and it would totally blow my friggen mind if this 3pm trade involved us....:cool:

[chabber]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

If the Blazer trade is for Vince then that should squash NJ hopes for the final spot making it a little easier for us to sneak in.

[docend24]

For real, if Wiz called and said "How about Arenas for Felton, May and Nazr" I'd shit a brick if we pulled the trigger.
Is that a yes or no?

[TattoodCats4life]

Is that a yes or no?

I don't know, tough call, I'd like part of it (getting rid of some junk roster spots and contracts) but he's not exactly ready to play ;) Now CB and AJ over there, send them over and they can take anyone who doesnt start for them.

[Chef]

yeah, it makes perfect sense to take on 6y/$112 mil on a player with 1.5 good legs and an inability to pass the ball.

[coordinator0]

Don't see a reason to start a new topic so...

Take Salmons off our list. The kings just traded him and Miller to CHI for Gooden and Nocioni.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/18/bulls.kings.trade/index.html

[teej]

Dont get it for either team really, but ok...

[coordinator0]

Dont get it for either team really, but ok...

I think it's great for the Bulls, at least Miller. Salmons IDK becaus ethey have so many wings...

Let's get one!

[BETCATS]

I think it's great for the Bulls, at least Miller. Salmons IDK becaus ethey have so many wings...

Let's get one!

LARRY HUGHES. They will trade him for anything and LB is maximizing results from disgruntled scorers (see Impaler, The and Frenchie McFrenchFrench French)

[ohara831]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

Word tonight the Blazers are trying to sweeten the pot to get Crash. We will see if they sweeten it enough.

[teej]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

Word tonight the Blazers are trying to sweeten the pot to get Crash. We will see if they sweeten it enough.
Doubt it

hope not

pray not

:hypo::hypo::hypo::hypo::hypo::hypo::hypo:

[SWedd523]

Better get a metric shit ton sweeter than LaFrentz for Wallace.

Without getting Aldridge, Oden, Fernandez, or Roy in return, I don't want to send them Wallace

[davcbow]

No way... by no means peroid... no damn way... hell no... NO

[BRNC]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

Word tonight the Blazers are trying to sweeten the pot to get Crash. We will see if they sweeten it enough.

I think (and hope) the sticking point continues to be (besides a mediocre offer) their unwillingness to take Nazr...keeping Ray and Crash give us our best shot at the playoffs...I see trading either as playing for next season...I'd rather make a playoff push (could care less if it is 8 seed) because the fan base needs it...

[coordinator0]

What time exactly is the trade deadline?

[spectre]

Pretty sure it's 3 pm EST.

Edit:

I also think that you can get that extended to midnight if you inform the league that you are working on/close to a deal.

[coordinator0]

At this point the only kind of trade I would accept for Crash going to POR is something like this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cfszob

And I still don't like it for what we get back.

[Proudiddy]

Just read an update from 10:40 am on ESPN, says the Blazers are still calling and really trying to get Gerald. Says we turned down their offer yesterday but then called back and seemed to make the inference that Gerald could be had for the right price.

I don't like it. Unless we get serious star power or legit potential such as Rodriguez AND Batum, I don't do it. No one player they could offer can bring all of what Gerald does... Gerald is our heart and soul and you can't just replace that.

[BETCATS]

i heart this idea:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cl7mnn

[Slam]

IF we trade Crash, we HAVE to get a starting quality SF back in return. It's just that simple. Taking a starter out of his quality and replacing him with role players/bench production would be very risky. We don't really have anyone on the roster today that could fill the viod that would be left by trading Crash.

I don't know if Batum is starting quality.

My biggest fear, and I mean freaking HUGE, is that some how, in some way, it's a 3 way between us, the Blazers and the Bucks and the unthinkable happens.

That would be a dark, dark day for me.

[BETCATS]

IF we trade Crash, we HAVE to get a starting quality SF back in return. It's just that simple. Taking a starter out of his quality and replacing him with role players/bench production would be very risky. We don't really have anyone on the roster today that could fill the viod that would be left by trading Crash.

I don't know if Batum is starting quality.

My biggest fear, and I mean freaking HUGE, is that some how, in some way, it's a 3 way between us, the Blazers and the Bucks and the unthinkable happens.

That would be a dark, dark day for me.

If we could get Ramon Sessions and Charlie V from the bucks for Nazr and Raymond or Nazr and DJ, then get Batum, Bayless, and Outlaw for Wallace, we will either become a elite team or stay the same.

[Slam]

If we could get Ramon Sessions and Charlie V from the bucks for Nazr and Raymond or Nazr and DJ, then get Batum, Bayless, and Outlaw for Wallace, we will either become a elite team or stay the same.
Sessions and CV are both FA's and are going to want to be re-uopped.

No way would the Blazers give all of that up for Crash - and if they did, who would we cut?

[BETCATS]

Sessions and CV are both FA's and are going to want to be re-uopped.

No way would the Blazers give all of that up for Crash - and if they did, who would we cut? McMay and _____________.

But maybe its just my personal preferance, i think Ramon Sessions is just as good as Felton and better than DJ

[Chef]

we should not trade wallace but if we do we absolutely positively must get rid of nazr. if the blazers want him so bad, trade him on our terms not theirs.

[LB4President]

What about Wallace and a filler to Portland. lafrentz to the Bucks who want cap relief, and Jefferson to us. He is a legit starting 3 and can score more than Wallace with less risk a la concussions.

[BRNC]

we should not trade wallace but if we do we absolutely positively must get rid of nazr. if the blazers want him so bad, trade him on our terms not theirs.

Which (for once) is exactly what I think they're trying to do...our terms or no deal...maybe neither team blinks...which for us would not be a bad thing if we are going to try to go to the playoffs this year...

[BETCATS]

What about Wallace and a filler to Portland. lafrentz to the Bucks who want cap relief, and Jefferson to us. He is a legit starting 3 and can score more than Wallace with less risk a la concussions.

:g::g::g:

That is just.............................................. ...........


My trade might not seem better, but i do not want RJ. RJ is not as good of a defender or rebounder.

[Mustachio]

Slam, would getting both Outlaw and Batum satisfy your desire for a starting SF in return for Crash? I think between the two of them we could get enough production. I tend to think (and feel free to call me crazy) but Outlaw is a younger poor mans version of Crash, and Batum is worth it on potential alone.

This team has changed so much and so frequently that I'm not even sure I'm capable of properly rating a trade. SO....ILBIMFT

[BRNC]

Outlaw and Batum would not be bad...they both have strengths but I doubt Portland would trade both...

[Chef]

chad ford chat: John from Panama City, FL: Do you think Portland has a deal in the works right now, or will they stand pat?

SportsNation Chad Ford: (12:04 PM ET ) I was told by a Blazers source that chances are, as of 11:30 a.m ET, the Blazers won't do a major deal. Their talks with the Nets, Bucks and Bobcats aren't totally dead, but there's been little movement right now

[BRNC]

...which means we're not blinking and that's a good thing...