Orlando Game

[LB4President]

Enough with the moral victories already we need to get some wins to get into the playoffs. I am pleased to see that we can run with Orlando when Dwight Howard puts up those kind of numbers, but fellas we can't keep losing close games. I mean the knicks beat the Spurs tonight in OT and the Bucks beat the Pistons. We are losing ground fast with just over 30 games to play.

[Robertpel9]

As much as i hate to say it this is a team training for next season, even the coach has some things to learn about how to utilize what he has.

If we had this lineup a month ago then we may have had a good shot but now our focus needs to be on truly seeing what each piece of the puzzle can contribute so we know how to win these games we constantly lose this year

Hint #1 - We no longer need to rely on Felton to play superman with less than ten seconds in regulation. Move the Fing ball

[cltblkhscoach]

Listened on the radio because I was at work, but with Orlando having Nelson out this is a game we should have one given the improved roster and play lately. I think we will play well down the stretch but there's too many teams for us to pass to get in the playoffs unless we just go on a 7 or 8 game winning streak which is unlikely given we have so many road games left.

BTW I've been on the board for ages, just don't post too often.

[TheBeagle]

Listened on the radio because I was at work, but with Orlando having Nelson out this is a game we should have one given the improved roster and play lately. I think we will play well down the stretch but there's too many teams for us to pass to get in the playoffs unless we just go on a 7 or 8 game winning streak which is unlikely given we have so many road games left.

BTW I've been on the board for ages, just don't post too often.Welcome back, coach!!! It's been a while...don't stay gone so long next time!

As for the playoffs, LB4, until we occupy a spot, don't get stressed out over it; there's no reason. There's the top 8 and then there's the rest; we're "the rest." If it's going to happen, it will happen, but don't scoreboard watch at this point. All that matters is we're part of "the rest" and just have to win games, and if we don't, we shouldn't be in the playoffs anyway.

I understand the frustation over tonight's loss, but just don't put it in the context of the playoffs; it'll do you a world of good.

[Ghost Kat]

This should have been a victory. LB didnt use his bench in th 2nd Half. Felton hit some big shots but went hero again on us. He does his best when driving and dishing. Someone email the Rock so he can deliverth the smack down and teach Felton his role. I like how Emeka play'd tonight, showed some new post moves. I how now idea why DJ only play'd 15 mins when he hit every shot he took other then the one over Superman himself. It was a good fight against a supposely better team. But this is the wake up call for the rest of the NBA!!

[GoBobs]

The team played pretty well. Dwight was a monster but we were still leading most of the game. The critical stretch came after GW knocked that ball off the orlando player and those fans started yelling at the refs. The next two calls are make up calls and the magic get all the calls the rest of the night. The Bobcats have to be so good that the refs can't take the game from us we have had plenty of time to realize we never get the call we have to just be that much better.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

This should have been a victory. LB didnt use his bench in th 2nd Half. Felton hit some big shots but went hero again on us. He does his best when driving and dishing. Someone email the Rock so he can deliverth the smack down and teach Felton his role. I like how Emeka play'd tonight, showed some new post moves. I how now idea why DJ only play'd 15 mins when he hit every shot he took other then the one over Superman himself. It was a good fight against a supposely better team. But this is the wake up call for the rest of the NBA!!

once again, i'm not surprised to hear criticism about felton. it's biased to criticize him for taking that shot and "going hero" again

1) felton was 2/2 for shots at the buzzer in that game
2) he was having a good shooting night
3) who else was having a good shooting night? think about your options...bell is off, GW was off, emeka would have gotten blocked by dwight, diaw hadnt really tested the 3 pt ..

he did the right thing i dont see any reason why someone could criticize him

if anything...this is the second time that Bell can't hit clutch free throws..the other time being at the lakers game that shouldn't have never gone into OT and he missed TWO free throws

this type of criticism is pretty biased..unfounded..there's plenty of blame/criticism to go around the team for last night losses, but that last second shot is not deserving of any

[BRNC]

...and this really needs to be in the "game thread"...but yes...Bell makes his free throw and nothing to discuss but what a good win...frankly I'm getting tired of Bell (missed shots) and Diaw (shows up every other game...maybe...or throws the ball away) getting free passes...or is it always going to be bang Ray when others stink?

[dav7z]

The team played pretty well. Dwight was a monster but we were still leading most of the game. The critical stretch came after GW knocked that ball off the orlando player and those fans started yelling at the refs. The next two calls are make up calls and the magic get all the calls the rest of the night. The Bobcats have to be so good that the refs can't take the game from us we have had plenty of time to realize we never get the call we have to just be that much better.


Agreeded Howard shot more from the stripe than all the Bobcats toghter. People see that kind of crap. thats one reason attendance is in a free fall.
Another thing though Wallace tried he couldn't stay in frount of Hedo.I think its going to take Wallace four or five games to get his wind back . But still impressed with WALLACE.

Cat you can, put that last second shoot and miss on Brown . We had plenty of time to call a time out and set a play. Your best player of the night just took a tough shoot at the end of the game. It was in and out . Felton shot 50 percent for the game and had 10 boards and 5 assist . Little too much to be talking trash you think?
DJ agreeded was shooting good and i think would have got more time if he hadn't let a player as sorry as lue use him in the second half. DJ will be one nice pick up once he decides to commets to defence. Against a smaller backcourt he would have got him more playing time.

I still think we need 18 more wins out of the last 29 to get in . I EXPECT BIG INPROVMENT IN THE LAST 29 GAMES............ 39 wins gets us in.

[BigMike]

Lets all be honest.

We knew going into this week that our best case scenario was to split the Orlando games. To even think we could go 2-0 on an Orlando team having the year that they are was just wishful thinking. We proved that we can run with them and I am certain that 5okafor and Diop both learned some lessons about guarding superman. Let’s just hope they have the legs to play again tonight and then take those lessons into Fridays game when Orlando comes to Charlotte.

[davcbow]

Exactly how I feel bigmike.... :cool:

[spectre]

Give Raja & Crash a game or two to get back into the swing. Shame we lost last night, but I dare say in a week from now we wouldn't have.

Besides, they'll more than make up for that loss with a win tonight in my mind.

[BigMike]

Besides, they'll more than make up for that loss with a win tonight in my mind.

A win tonight and a win on Friday would do it for me (Smile)

2 wins for every loss is all we need to do, to get 20 more wins.

[Ghost Kat]

once again, i'm not surprised to hear criticism about felton. it's biased to criticize him for taking that shot and "going hero" again

1) felton was 2/2 for shots at the buzzer in that game
2) he was having a good shooting night
3) who else was having a good shooting night? think about your options...bell is off, GW was off, emeka would have gotten blocked by dwight, diaw hadnt really tested the 3 pt ..

he did the right thing i dont see any reason why someone could criticize him

if anything...this is the second time that Bell can't hit clutch free throws..the other time being at the lakers game that shouldn't have never gone into OT and he missed TWO free throws

this type of criticism is pretty biased..unfounded..there's plenty of blame/criticism to go around the team for last night losses, but that last second shot is not deserving of any

So your saying Felton didn't go Hero? You asked who else was having a good shooting night...How about DJ who was 5-7. I saw alot of Felton hitting shots early in the game and missing key shots late. Yeah Raja missed so freethrows and the offense was kinda dead at the end and over time. But why is it every single last second or game winning shot Felton has to take it. He may have been having a good game but this has gone on all year. We had 6 sec's left in regulation to win... the game was tied after the Reddick 3pt... why the fuck did Felton shoot a step back three? Thats not trying to be a hero to you, Why does he always have to take that shot...Is that a biased question? Is that undue criticism? Ya'll are funny, I didn't say Felton had a bad game, no need to quote stats to me like i didn't watch the game. I said he went hero as always and the offense started to die, plus no one was hitting shots. No one atleast not me has said Raymond is the reason we lost, All i'm saying is i'm seriuosly tired of the 4th qtr being the Felton show. He shot a step back 3pt shot... the game was tied... we only needed a 2...In 6 sec Felton could have gone the length of the court and he pulls up for a step back 3pter?

Try to explain that as anything but Hero

[SWedd523]

So your saying Felton didn't go Hero? You asked who else was having a good shooting night...How about DJ who was 5-7. I saw alot of Felton hitting shots early in the game and missing key shots late. Yeah Raja missed so freethrows and the offense was kinda dead at the end and over time. But why is it every single last second or game winning shot Felton has to take it. He may have been having a good game but this has gone on all year. We had 6 sec's left in regulation to win... the game was tied after the Reddick 3pt... why the fuck did Felton shoot a step back three? Thats not trying to be a hero to you, Why does he always have to take that shot...Is that a biased question? Is that undue criticism? Ya'll are funny, I didn't say Felton had a bad game, no need to quote stats to me like i didn't watch the game. I said he went hero as always and the offense started to die, plus no one was hitting shots. No one atleast not me has said Raymond is the reason we lost, All i'm saying is i'm seriuosly tired of the 4th qtr being the Felton show. He shot a step back 3pt shot... the game was tied... we only needed a 2...In 6 sec Felton could have gone the length of the court and he pulls up for a step back 3pter?

Try to explain that as anything but Hero



There's basically two guys on the team capable of creating their own shot. Thats Felton and Augustin. Diaw maybe, but he's way too passive for that. Bell is a spot shooter, Wallace is a slasher, Mek can't create for himself.

So that leaves Felton vs. DJ taking the last second shot in a close game, and since DJ wasn't on the floor.. it's up to Ray to make something work.

It's LB's job to decide who's in the game for the final shot. If he wants the vet out there over the rookie, then I'm willing to live with that. I'm sure Larry has more basketball knowledge than anyone on BCP so I'm sure he knows what he's doing by putting the ball in Ray's hands. If he didn't approve of him doing what he does late in the game, then he wouldn't be doing it.


It's stupid how every loss is Ray's fault because HE WAS GOING HERO OMGZZZZ. He's just doing his job guys. Lay off :rolleyes:

[teej]

Remember though, Larry isn't a good strategy guy, just teaching and assembling and lineups.

[Ghost Kat]

It's stupid how every loss is Ray's fault because HE WAS GOING HERO OMGZZZZ. He's just doing his job guys. Lay off :rolleyes:


I'm guessing that part wasn't addressed to me since i just said Raymond wasn't the we lost that game. Yes, Yes Felton can create his own shot, But lets then look at the shots he then decides to take. This year how many of those last second shots have gone in? End of qrt, end of half or end of game. Yes, LB knows way more then me about Basketball and he works with what he has. But can anyone on this board say Felton is the one we want taking a shot with 3 sec's left every single game?

[teej]

I'm guessing that part wasn't addressed to me since i just said Raymond wasn't the we lost that game. Yes, Yes Felton can create his own shot, But lets then look at the shots he then decides to take. This year how many of those last second shots have gone in? End of qrt, end of half or end of game. Yes, LB knows way more then me about Basketball and he works with what he has. But can anyone on this board say Felton is the one we want taking a shot with 3 sec's left every single game?

I'd rather have Boris go at the end than Ray

[SWedd523]

I'm guessing that part wasn't addressed to me since i just said Raymond wasn't the we lost that game. Yes, Yes Felton can create his own shot, But lets then look at the shots he then decides to take. This year how many of those last second shots have gone in? End of qrt, end of half or end of game. Yes, LB knows way more then me about Basketball and he works with what he has. But can anyone on this board say Felton is the one we want taking a shot with 3 sec's left every single game?
None of it was really directed towards you.

Richardson was brought in to make the last second shot.. and he didn't. So he deserves some of the blame. LB deserves some blame because he puts him in the game for the shots. The whole team is to blame because a couple free throws here... a couple rebounds there... and we had the game.


Kat, if not Ray or DJ.. who would you rather have out there with the ball trying to take the shot?

[Ghost Kat]

Honestly I'd love to see us do what we seem to do best, Drive and kick. Ray and DJ can both get into the lane. With 6 sec's left you can drive and kick for a good shot. We have LB, We have have plays for this, I see them run all through the game. I'm just personaly confused that everytime theres a last second shot to be taken it's always Felton. It's like the team knows it too. When that time comes you can see everyone on the court knows he's going to shoot it. I honestly don't known who should be our Jordan for the game winners. But i do know Felton has done it all year and probably like 4 or 5 have gone in out of like 20. It's a 50/50 chance on anyone that shoots it, I just want someone else to get a chance.

[davcbow]

How about dumping off to Radman for a 3????

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

So your saying Felton didn't go Hero? You asked who else was having a good shooting night...How about DJ who was 5-7. I saw alot of Felton hitting shots early in the game and missing key shots late. Yeah Raja missed so freethrows and the offense was kinda dead at the end and over time. But why is it every single last second or game winning shot Felton has to take it. He may have been having a good game but this has gone on all year. We had 6 sec's left in regulation to win... the game was tied after the Reddick 3pt... why the fuck did Felton shoot a step back three? Thats not trying to be a hero to you, Why does he always have to take that shot...Is that a biased question? Is that undue criticism? Ya'll are funny, I didn't say Felton had a bad game, no need to quote stats to me like i didn't watch the game. I said he went hero as always and the offense started to die, plus no one was hitting shots. No one atleast not me has said Raymond is the reason we lost, All i'm saying is i'm seriuosly tired of the 4th qtr being the Felton show. He shot a step back 3pt shot... the game was tied... we only needed a 2...In 6 sec Felton could have gone the length of the court and he pulls up for a step back 3pter?

Try to explain that as anything but Hero

It's not his faul that DJ wasn't in the game, so that's not a point of argument

My issue is that this is not going "hero" he took the shot because of the reason i stated previously. it's not going "hero" when you are the default go to guy at the end of the game

i would have liked that DJ take that shot, but again, he wasn't in the game so i can't complain about that.

[Ghost Kat]

It's not his faul that DJ wasn't in the game, so that's not a point of argument

My issue is that this is not going "hero" he took the shot because of the reason i stated previously. it's not going "hero" when you are the default go to guy at the end of the game

i would have liked that DJ take that shot, but again, he wasn't in the game so i can't complain about that.


OK... To me wanting to be the man that takes that last second shot every single time is Hero... especially when you dont have a high % of making them. I'm not just talking about last night. But that three was a horrible shot choice.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

the difference is that i wouldn't consider last night as a hero shot...but if you take it in the aggregate it seems that way to you.

[SWedd523]

OK... To me wanting to be the man that takes that last second shot every single time is Hero... especially when you dont have a high % of making them. I'm not just talking about last night. But that three was a horrible shot choice.
Well if he's the only one wanting to take the last second shot then that says more negative things about the rest of the team then it does about him.

[Ghost Kat]

Well if he's the only one wanting to take the last second shot then that says more negative things about the rest of the team then it does about him.

I would agree. But when these situations come up we watch Felton milk the clock and proceed to shoot it.

[110oldeast]

The problem is fans mischaracterizing the last second shot as a "hero" shot or on other threads as "losing the game" (not talking about you here Katt). The reality is that you are trying to get the last shot so the other team doesn't get a chance to come back and win it. If you think that that is being repeated IN SPITE of coaching wishes, at this point, I don't know what to say. The reality is that there is ONE guy in the league who has consistently hit these types of shot and his name is Kobe. Whether it's Lebron, AI, or whomever, they have all missed WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more of these types of shots than they made. However, I doubt the fans of those teams are pinning losses on them for missing last second shots, which no one consistently makes (again not calling you out Katt) or state that it renders the rest of the game nearly irrelevant. The kid has hit big shots for the team, even in late game situations, but buzzer beaters are an inexact science. Finally, having Boris creating in that type of situation is not the same as off a pick and pop when someone is running at him. The time where he got the ball on the clearout earlier in the year and got blitzed by the defense w/o getting up a shot is why they rarely run it through him.

My thoughts on the end of game play is one of strategy, not just individual player decision. I hear folks talking about drive and dish and I agree, but that still has to be SET UP by the coach and discussed. My idea for end of game situation like that is a 4 out 1 in set. You can have DJ, Raja, or Radmonivic on the wings (whoever is hot, in the Orlando game, DJ would have been on the floor) and have Boris setting a high screen for Felton to drive and initiate off of. Meanwhile, you have either Emeka down low or if you are going really small and making them scramble more, you put Crash down low.

This SPREADS the floor and the defense and puts them more in a scramble mode than the typical 1-4 sets that we have run have. It makes them commit to help defense to somebody, but leaves SHOOTERS open on the wings. It then means either a wide open pop opportunity for Boris up top, a driving lane for Felton going to the basket, which allows him to get in the lane for a dish to whomever's man helps, or attack the rim with a chance of getting fouled or creating an offensive rebound opportunity for Crash or Mek, whomever is inside.

[Ghost Kat]

Well the whole team gets the chance to redeem themselves today