Bobcats host the Magic 2.20.09 --> Avenge Tuesday Night's Heartbreaker

[polarcat]

So....this is my first gameday thread but I thought since it's almost noon and the magnitude of this game, I'd give it a shot. Not sure what the protocol is on the board as far as assigning, so let me know if I'm out of line.


Well, the 'Cats are in lockdown mode tonight as the NBA Trade Deadline has come and gone. The same team that suited up at the Cable Box for Wednesday night's victory over Indiana will be here for the remainder of the season (with the exception of adding a veteran guard via waivers or the D). The Bobcats host division rival Orlando a mere 3 days after a crushing overtime loss in O-Town. Dwight Howard is the man and he flexed his Superman skills against us by going off for 45 pts and 19 boards. We got him in foul trouble though and quite honestly he could've been tossed a few times late in the game with his high elbows and physical play. The 3-pt game combined with Howard is what fuels the Magic, so we must shut down at least one of these areas. Okafor played Howard pretty well all night, despite the high point output. We had a well-rounded game from everyone and if we continue to get contributions from the bench as well as the starters, we should fare well. Both Crash and Raja had a little rust on them against the Magic, but shook it off against the Pacers. If those two bring their "Wednesday" game and combine it with how the rest of the team played on Tuesday, we should be in good shape to get the W. Tonight's game should draw a great crowd being that it's a Friday night and that it's against Orlando, so look for the atmosphere to help the 'Cats. This game is one of those that you look back on in April and either smile at or frown at. It's too early to throw out "must-win games" but this is one that we do need to put under our belt. We have a four game road trip coming up after tonight, so we need to hold court and finish what we started on Tuesday. Not sure if Rafer Alston will be in the line-up yet, but if he is, we need to exploit his lack of knowledge in the new system. Here's hoping that Felts, Crash and Raja can find their comfort zone and this team will continue to gel like they have over the past month.

Lets
Go
Cats
!

[G-Force for MVP]

i will be at the game tonight with a few friends

[Muttley]

Watching at home as usual. I say we do to Dwight what we did to him last time he came to Charlotte and hold him to 0% from the field.

We can win this game. The guys all seem to be happy to be remaining in Charlotte. I'm happy they're all remaining in Charlotte. Now let's see how good this team can be!

Go 'Cats!

[ohara831]

Will R. Alston be able to play for Orlando tonight or does he still have to pass his physical? Since the trade was only late yesterday, I'm hoping they need another day or so for him to be ready to play.

[Robertpel9]

A friend of mine got us a box tonight for free (No one in the company is using it - what a joke). Leaving work in 90 minutes for pre game festivities

No reason we cannot win this game. Gave it away Tuesday, I am hoping wqe have a better plan to control howard after his performance Tuesday. If we can even clamp down on him 50% i think we will have a W.

I will wear my Felton Jersey for the first time but i am hoping to see DJ get some more minutes. I also hope Bell (who i am a fan of) shows up before Q4

[ohara831]

Checked the Orlando Magic site at RGM and they have a Thread indicating Alston is not available for the game tonight. Good news.

[TattoodCats4life]

Each of our players are better than their respective match on the Magic excect Meka v. Howard, and even that's up for discussion and howard has not averaged a double double for as long as Mek, nor is he the 3rd best in the league by FG%.

I'd rather see us keep the lid on the basket on their end and get a few good baskets on our end than trade baskets all night... I'd much rather 70-78 us than 105-110 us, but W is what W is...

I've decided to ante up and go tonight so I'll be there with bells on in line at 5. Gotta wish my Cats a good game, and most importantly watch Cartier do sideline drills with 2 balls..boy can handle the balls let me tell ya.

[davcbow]

I think we can win this game tonight, just hope we learned from our mistakes from the other game. Avenge should be our battle cry tonight... Go Bobcats!!! :cool:

[polarcat]

i too hope avenge is the mantra tonight and we use tuesday as fuel for our fire. if i had off tonight, i would so want to be at this game. i think mek will be on a personal mission to battle with howard and i think the scoring will be spread out nicely. we need to control the boards b/c orlando had so many 2nd chance points last time out. i'm still trying to decide whether to watch the game in brief spurts at work or just close my eyes and ears until i get home and watch the dvr'd version of it later tonight.

[ammofan]

I will be sitting in row A4 behind the Cats bench tonight! Lets get our revenge!

[teej]

I will be their section 112 next to the Ladycats...plus the meet and greet with them pregame :D

[dav7z]

It's going to be a wild night at the arena tonight . I can just feel it in my bones. I expect a packed house looking for revenge. A win tonight will help attendance thr rest of the season. So this is a big one. Ill be in section 214 in the handycap seats screaming my head off if any one want's to say hi .

Im looking for a great game tonight.And i have a good feeling about this one.

[teej]

Ill be in section 214 in the handycap seats screaming my head off if any one want's to say hi ..

I'll be up at the rock the rooftop area during halftime probably, weaaring my bobcats hoodie, (pic of me on my prof. page), what do you look like?

[ziggy]

Here is the enemy's game thread (http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8891029871/m/71610651)

They seem pretty confident, but they are concerned about DJ.

[spectre]

Here is the enemy's game thread (http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8891029871/m/71610651)

They seem pretty confident, but they are concerned about DJ.

Via that site:


Magic Coach Stan Van Gundy said after Friday's shootaround in Charlotte that if all the participants in the club's trade for Rafer Alston are medically cleared in time, he will play the new point guard tonight against the Bobcats.

Someone also posted that both Cook & Lowry passed theirs also. Looks like we might see some of Alston, but probably not a lot.

[Ghost Kat]

Bobcats!!!!



http://atdhe.net/live-tv-3737.html

[ArcandiaS]

Bobcats!!!!



http://atdhe.net/live-tv-3737.html



I took this link but I have no sound. I hope it will coming.

[Ghost Kat]

Yeah, I just noticed there's no sound

[gforce33]

any work link?????????

[ArcandiaS]

There is one here :

http://fr.justin.tv/MAGICMAN09

[davcbow]

Interesting game so far, have bright spots and not so bright spots so far....:cool:

[docend24]

http://atdhe.net/live-tv-3737.html (works - in Opera for me), sound is not clear but quite ok

[MilZo]

There is one here :

http://fr.justin.tv/MAGICMAN09


Merci !

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[davcbow]

We need to try to stop their 3 pt shooting and hit our free throws when we get them....:cool:

[davcbow]

21-18 end of first... :cool:

[davcbow]

We looking shakey out there tonight although so does Orlando... 28-24 orlando....:cool:

[spectre]

Well that was a disappointing stretch from the bench.

[SirBobcat]

They're playing like garbage tonight.

[spectre]

Yeah, leaving Lewis open for 3s will work.

[SirBobcat]

and Pietrus

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

rough patch in the game right now..can't believe they didnt call that travel

[SirBobcat]

That run with Howard on the bench is scary

[SirBobcat]

Glad to see they're motivated from Tuesday...

[SirBobcat]

Okafor with his 3rd foul. :: headache ::

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

we look like shit right now..this is an unispired effort

[davcbow]

Why is it when we all are thinking we should do well we end up not being able to hit the side of a barn?... The damn 3's are killing us... :cool:

[SirBobcat]

They don't care? I don't care :D

[ohara831]

Let's see: we're shooting 38%, they shoot 45%
we're 1/5 from 3 pt range, they are 8/17

I really tried hard to dring the cool aid that we were healthy and therefore a real threat for the #8 Playoff spot. But we are looking like crap. We better turn this around real quick or we'll get run off our own court.

[SirBobcat]

They simply look like they have an extra burst per step than us. They look so much fast and are flat out giving it to the Cats.

[davcbow]

49-35 thats pitiful at the half... we just arent hitting our shots, I knew when I saw Diop pull up and shoot and miss it what kind of night we were gonna have...:cool:

[Ghost Kat]

This is a pretty bad start by the Cats. The ref's seems to be paid off again.

[ohara831]

This is a pretty bad start by the Cats. The ref's seems to be paid off again.

Let's not be like other NBA fans and blame the refs. We are shooting like crap, we look uninspired, and LB has to get into the heads of these men that their season may be on the line, as well as their jobs.

[BeebCats]

We're playing so uninspired on both ends of the court. LB better wake them up. What worries me most is that Okafor has 3 fouls, which means Diop on the court for a long time... I don't know about you guys, but I'm not fond of him at all. Misses gimme layups, misses FTs, and hacks on defense as much as anyone -- I'd rather see Nazr in, at least he can hit the midrange every now and then.

[docend24]

I'm not sure about Diop now. And I don't gett why he was guarding Lewis in pick and rolls on perimeter.

That' being said Howard is a monster. I would like to see Ajinça on Howard on rebounds. Diop doesn't work, Emeka - foul trouble and simply can't do miraclesm let see if lenght would work. And I hate how Diop is standing outise on offense not knowing what to do with the ball. Ajinça would be efficient in those situations he has range. They simply don't care to guard Diop at all and they know why. :(

[spectre]

Diop has 3 fouls too, so I think we're going to see Nazr whether we like it or not.

Heh, he can't do much worse than any of our other bigs at the FT line.

What a sad half.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I'd love to see Ajinca on Howard. It might make a mismatch

[davcbow]

I wouldnt mind seeing lexy or nazr at this point in time... looks as if everyone is waiting for someone else to score tonight.... we have got to score some points and play defense dammitttt....:cool:

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

im worried that radma is going to have a bad night

crap emeka has 4 now..

[docend24]

This one of the worst games. The thing we have all players available (no counting May no matter how much he is ready or not) is making it much much worse. Take some risk and let Lexy play...

[spectre]

Why is Turk shooting FTs? Are we in the penalty already?

Normally I'd be happy Howard got his 4th foul so early...but they've pretty much kicked our ass without him tonight.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

at least howard is out for now...terrible officiating

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Exciting game now

Refs suck

[davcbow]

I dont usually think much about the ref's but damn they are calling some bad fouls and some bad no fouls tonight.... Everybody including LB and even MJ are on the refs tonight...:cool:

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Why is Turk shooting FTs? Are we in the penalty already?

i believe so..we've been getting called for fouls left and right

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

i cant believe this...very frustrating...we arent creating any plays nobody seems to be scoring for us

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

GERAAAALD WALLACE! i hope this is the dunk that inspires us..

stephanie ready is on the money...im tired of seeing Felton/DJ dribble around underneath the basket ..pass the ball!!

[ArcandiaS]

Good Boris, good! A three point then a steal, let's wake up all the team!

[Slam]

Why is Turk shooting FTs? Are we in the penalty already?

I was wondering the same thing? We must be, other wise the shot would have been an and one with continuation - right?

[docend24]

The good thing is that Magic will play against play off contenders of east conference in next their games - it could help.

[docend24]

Refs are pathetic. Replays of fouls are not shown because nobody knows what to replay...

[spectre]

Whew...don't know how much more i can take of DJ trying to defend Alston on that pick and roll.

16 down...Jesus. I'd like to think we could get something going, but it's going to be tough.

[davcbow]

Refs are pathetic. Replays of fouls are not shown because nobody knows what to replay...


They dont show replays because they dont want us to lose faith in the NBA and its shabby refs..... No excuse for the bad calls Ive seen tonight...:cool:

[docend24]

If Bobcats would have MAgic uniforms there would already shut more than 10 FTs in this quarter - most of them would be actually good calls, the rest just being Magic bonus...

Man even LAkers didn't get such an officiating against us.

[docend24]

I can't stand Howard being still in the game... I could stand it more if he flopped every time he makes defensive foul and if it would be called as an offensive. But those no calls are absurd.

[docend24]

Offensive foul on Pietrus it should be - I guess they called it otherwise.

[davcbow]

I can't stand Howard being still in the game... I could stand it more if he flopped every time he makes defensive foul and if it would be called as an offensive. But those no calls are absurd.

Those are part of what Im talking about....:cool:

[Slam]

Whew...don't know how much more i can take of DJ trying to defend Alston on that pick and roll.
??

I thought he had been defending Skip really well?

DJ has only really logged mins here in the 4th and Skip only has 1 assist in the 4th??

[docend24]

If we were Knicks this would end up badly, that's not nba officiating.

[spectre]

??

I thought he had been defending Skip really well?

DJ has only really logged mins here in the 4th and Skip only has 1 assist in the 4th??

You didn't see where he got lost then had to cover Lewis on the block? Alston lost him every time but once on the pick in that stretch forcing the other guys to try and cover.

He did turn him away that one time tho head up and stayed in front of him pretty well.

That was the end of the 3rd.

Edit...he just lost him then! Alston missed the layup tho.

[davcbow]

That offensive foul on Howard and they T up Radman when he complains.... F&$K the NBA refs....:cool:

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

RF/DJ had played played terribly..no passing, holding on to the ball too long

[Slam]

You didn't see where he got lost then had to cover Lewis on the block? Alston lost him every time but once on the pick in that stretch forcing the other guys to try and cover..
Dude, that's not being lost. That's the big hedging on the screen and not rotating back. That's why DJ has been left to guard the big.

[Slam]

JUST like that play with Felts. Did he get lost on the screen because he was left guarding Lewis?

2:27 mark.

[spectre]

Dude...he kept trying to go under the screen, Alston would go back and forth and then lose him. He's got to try and bust it.

That one just a couple minutes ago Alston just got by him.

I can't rewind and I was answering your post...so I dunno. Regardless, Alston was doing that to him almost every time.

[docend24]

Magic commentators: "... magic defense has been outstanding tonight..." well I think instanding is the right word

[Slam]

Skip just burnt Felts again on the pick and missed the layup.

[davcbow]

Screw the Magic and the refs.... :cool:

[spectre]

Skip just burnt Felts again on the pick and missed the layup.

He got him on a spin move more than a pick.

Don't be so defensive...Jesus. I know y'all like that back and forth about PGs at RGM but thankfully we've pretty much avoided that over here in these game threads.

[ohara831]

More turnovers than assists. Yep, we really look like a Playoff team.

[Slam]

He got him on a spin move more than a pick.

Don't be so defensive...Jesus. I know y'all like that back and forth about PGs at RGM but thankfully we've pretty much avoided that over here in these game threads.
I'm not being defensive, I'm just trying to see what you see.

It's not like I'm putting a player under a microscope like I know y'all like to do over here.

[davcbow]

Yeah until we can play better than we did tonight even if we had bad calls, we wont be in any playoffs....:cool:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

This is a game that I just want to forget.

[spectre]

I'm not being defensive, I'm just trying to see what you see.

It's not like I'm putting a player under a microscope like I know y'all like to do over here.

Hah, pretty sure you've got the game threads confused...over here we're more about the flavor of the week. I don't remember commenting one time about where DJ was looking during any of those P&Rs!

[Slam]

over here we're more about the flavor of the week!
That is very true!!

+1!!

I just think the "DJ is a horrible defender" thing is totally blown out of proportion. I think our bigs are more to blame for bad switches off picks. They either over commit, or don't commit enough. Felts, while a whole lot stronger than DJ, has the same problem. He is often left floating on a miss match in the paint through not fault of his own.

That has been something that I have been really impressed with Radman about. He rotates and covers the switch really well.

Boris is TERRIBLE at it and leaves our smalls in no mans land.

[ohara831]

It just figures that Ray would play lights out for a few weeks, change the FO's mind about trading him, then once the deadline passed, he plays like the bad Ray. I hope he drinks his happy juice and plays like the good Ray on the road trip. If this team is going to do anything with him starting, we have to have him play like the past 3 weeks, and not like tonight.

I hope DJ starts to play more and gets into a rhythm on his shooting stroke. Lord knows we dont need him shooting Ammo's % from the field.

I hope LB makes Diop shoot 100 FT's every day he's a Bobcat!!!

[Slam]

It just figures that Ray would play lights out for a few weeks, change the FO's mind about trading him, then once the deadline passed, he plays like the bad Ray.
Really?

I didn't think Felts had a bad game at all. He drove the ball really well (except maybe two times in the 4th) and he played hard. There was a time in the 4th that he started looking for his own shot, but DJ was the point and Felts the 2 - plus NO ONE had anything going so Felts tried to step up.

I thought he was far from bad.

[ohara831]

Really?

I didn't think Felts had a bad game at all. He drove the ball really well (except maybe two times in the 4th) and he played hard. There was a time in the 4th that he started looking for his own shot, but DJ was the point and Felts the 2 - plus NO ONE had anything going so Felts tried to step up.

I thought he was far from bad.

His 6/18 is crappy, and DJ's 3/11 is equally as bad. When you shoot like that, it's a bad night. And we had more TO's than assists. That means the PG's are not getting the job done.

[spectre]

I don't think he's a horrible defender but he's certainly below average...and most of my complaints aren't even on the P&R. I think he doesn't man up strong enough and he hardly ever goes up with his man on the drive/shot...he kind of shuffles along with him (when he stays in front) like he's trying to pick up an offensive foul.

He also cheats way too much.

Watch him. I wouldn't have said anything about that stretch if it'd only happened once or twice (cuz I don't usually nitpick...about bit my tongue off last game on Mek vs. Indiana's crap bigs). Kind of surprised you didn't notice as each play was so isolated.

He was getting a little better before he got injured but now he's seemed to have regressed a little. No doubt he'll get a little better again.

[Slam]

His 6/18 is crappy, and DJ's 3/11 is equally as bad. When you shoot like that, it's a bad night. And we had more TO's than assists. That means the PG's are not getting the job done.
Or it means that Crash was 3-8, Boris was 5-14, Radman was 2-7, Raja was 3-7 etc?

I agree that we should have run the point better, but guys were missing their (wide open) shots. They hit their shots and all of a sudden Felts has 10 assists rather than 5 and DJ has 6 rather than 3.

We only shot 37% from the floor.

[spectre]

Felton...he's good when everything else is working (he was having an above average game in the 1st half)...when it's not he becomes shot happy and looks terrible. He tries to force things, gets wilder and it turns into nothing but individual play. Tonight was no different.

I'd prefer DJ to shoot more when they're playing together anyway. It seems to work better that way.

There...busted on them both! Equal time for all! :biggrin:

[Slam]

I don't think he's a horrible defender but he's certainly below average
I guess that's where we differ. As of this juncture in his career I think he is an average defender with the posibility to become a very active defender. He moves sideways, he is willing to take a charge, he has quick hands and he shows good anticipation. He's never going to challenge someone in the air so I guess he has to cheat a little. Plus, he is a rookie who gets rookie calls against him so maybe he is wary of that?

Putting into PG context when it comes to defending: Jose Calderon, who is bigger and much more experienced than DJ, is certainly a below average defender.

I think that DJ is a whole lot better than that matador.

[Slam]

Felton...he's good when everything else is working (he was having an above average game in the 1st half)...when it's not he becomes shot happy and looks terrible. He tries to force things, gets wilder and it turns into nothing but individual play. Tonight was no different.

I'd prefer DJ to shoot more when they're playing together anyway. It seems to work better that way.

There...busted on them both! Equal time for all! :biggrin:
With some of the shots DJ took in the 4th I'm frigging glad he didn't shoot more. They were horrible.

[spectre]

Big difference...DJ tries.

And absolutely we differ if you think he's average. I think he can become average, but he's going to have to work at it (which I wholeheartedly think he will).

I seemed to remember you even acknowledging once that he needs to stop trying to go under screens...do you feel he's done that?



With some of the shots DJ took in the 4th I'm frigging glad he didn't shoot more. They were horrible.


From outside. His drives weren't looking good at all, but I imagine LB was telling them to try and get fouls on Howard.

[davcbow]

We need a DH type center when we play the Orlando's of the NBA. We need a Lebron James type player for when we play the Cleveland;s of the NBA. Get those 2 type players and we will get the calls from the refs.
We still may make the playoffs this year but until we have those 2 type of players we wont make any noise in the playoffs... Tonights game showed me where we are lacking... We need someone that dont have many bad games and can score just about every time on demand..... We dont have that yet.... You folks may wonder why I sound different tonight, well its because with us being so much better now with the trades we played like the old Bobcats..... Pitiful game....:cool:

[Slam]

I seemed to remember you even acknowledging once that he needs to stop trying to go under screens...do you feel he's done that?.
I think he goes both under and over screens now, but his pick and roll defense, like any PG's pick and roll defense, will only be as good as the Bobcat big's D who is coming out on the pick.

[TattoodCats4life]

Well, I haven't read the whole thread, but DAMN what a shitty game... Bad calls and frankly a lot of bad play by us when we had the ball. Does anyone know why Bell wasn't in that much?

That was just Turrible... If I hadn't gotten to meet coach Brown (Larry not Herb) and Dell Curry tonight I'd have said my ticket money was burnt.

[Slam]

Does anyone know why Bell wasn't in that much?
You know what man? I hadn't even noticed watching the game, but you are 100% right. Raja only played 22mins.

He wasn't having a great night, but my guess is that LB wanted some ball movement (because we had next to none) so LB with with the 2 PG line up for a lot of the 2nd half?

[TattoodCats4life]

You know what man? I hadn't even noticed watching the game, but you are 100% right. Raja only played 22mins.

He wasn't having a great night, but my guess is that LB wanted some ball movement (because we had next to none) so LB with with the 2 PG line up for a lot of the 2nd half?

Seriously, there was so much run, 1 pass or no pass, shoot... it was freaking terrible...

I honestly think that if we got a few more calls it would have turned the team's mental game back on... They were in VERY high spirits before the game...

[teej]

I know it sounds like an excuse, and I hate excuses, but those refs were Stan Van Gundy's bitches (and they heard so from me, I'm sure of it). No doubt in my mind they were told to protect Superman...the calls were obvoiusly pathetic, and theyre a reason that the NBA has the worst officials in all of sports.

On the upside, I had great seats, got great pics, and met Michael Thompson postgame...guys great.

pics/vids tomorrow.

[Slam]

I honestly think that if we got a few more calls it would have turned the team's mental game back on
Doubt it. We didn't hit our open shots, we were loose on D and he didn't share the ball.

The refs don't control that.

Besides, if you need the refs to turn your game on there are more problems than there are solutions.

[BRNC]

Well...I was at the game (as I'm others were)...but I have about 4.5-4.75 round trip when I go...this is the first game I've ever left before the end of game and I'll tell you why...

It had nothing to do with the refs and everything to do with how the team played...I did not see a "team" that was fighting for a playoff spot...I saw a couple of our players that showed up to play and some others that happened to be on the court in our uniforms...I saw an Orlando team with Howard only half playing...Nelson injured...and a point guard that had never play with them before beat us in a game we needed with a lot of fans there and they did not need...I see "crap" calls on both sides of the ball every time I go and never use that as an excuse and I'm not going to start...but what I am seeing still are silly ass turnovers, poor execution, poor shot selection, and a team that regressed from Monday...I really don't care what frame of mind the players seemed to be in before the game because what I saw on the floor reminded me of a "Fine Ham Biscuit" in front of a good crowd (finally) when we needed a win...not a good game, not a moral victory, and certainly not the crap game I saw period...

[dnbman]

In the NBA.com recap, Felton said the loss was his fault, saying that he didn't do his job getting the offense involved.

I didn't watch the game, but I appreciate his candor.

[ohara831]

In the NBA.com recap, Felton said the loss was his fault, saying that he didn't do his job getting the offense involved.

I didn't watch the game, but I appreciate his candor.

I too can appreciate the candor. A leader steps up and takes the blame for his team, and I commend him for it. But honestly, the whole team pretty much stunk. Just a lackluster effort when we really needed a big game.

[spectre]

I think he goes both under and over screens now, but his pick and roll defense, like any PG's pick and roll defense, will only be as good as the Bobcat big's D who is coming out on the pick.

Heh, I don't think he went above the pick guy once in that stretch. I also don't see it as the other guys' fault when the head defender is behind him and neither commits to the switch nor the guy with the ball. In that situation the "help" guy doesn't know which one to go with, which was what occured then.

Regardless...this should be in another thread. I greatly dislike debates during the game anyway, so maybe next time we can wait til after to get into this? Esp. since the comment was like 10 minutes of gametime between my comment and you're "trying to understand what I see"?

Nor should anyone infer that I'm putting undue weight on DJ's defense in regards to winning/losing this game (it was just an offhand comment after all :rolleyes: )...I don't think anyone had a good game last night.

It looks like we started trying to double down on Howard early, which left their perimeter guys open who in turn hit their shots. Personally I liked the previous strategy better; let Howard get his and stop everyone else.

The bench failed us which was pretty disappointing...and when the starters came back in the 2nd they didn't fare any better; I think Howard set thru half of that quarter. We lost our composure and just never got it back.

Very disappointing.