View Full Version : The Willie Warren Thread
ohara831
02-23-2009, 08:03 AM
Hey. I know he's a PG, but the kid is a phenom as only a FR. And when you do the Chad Ford Mock Lottery on ESPN, it has us taking him at #9 now. Very interesting. What to do, what to do. We have 2 PG's now, but what if the best player on the board at our pick is another PG?
ohara831
02-23-2009, 09:10 AM
Well, when reading up on him, they say since he is 6-4, he can actually play both the PG and SG. So that may make it easier to take him with so much upside.
He reminds me of Boobie Gibson. I'm not a huge fan of his. I could see him working really well on a team like the Lakers (next to Kobe) or the Blazers (next to Roy) but he is far from what we need IMO.
SWedd523
02-23-2009, 06:36 PM
He reminds me of Boobie Gibson. I'm not a huge fan of his. I could see him working really well on a team like the Lakers (next to Kobe) or the Blazers (next to Roy) but he is far from what we need IMO.
I'm SO glad somebody started a Willie Warren thread (I was going to the other day but forgot).
This guy plays more like Rodney Stucky than anything. Tall and built like a brickhouse. Boobie is a spot up deep threat and really nothing more. Willie takes it to the hole AND can shoot from deep.
Dickie V was all about him staying another year like Blake did, but I really think he's going to be a good NBA player. He wouldn't be half bad (along with Evans, Meeks, and Henderson) next to DJ for the future
coordinator0
02-23-2009, 08:44 PM
I'm with you Swedd lol. I was actually thinking of starting a Warren thread because I see his name high up on Draft Express' list. Stuckey would be a pretty good comparison, and he would also be a great choice for us.
We picked a good year to be in need of a SG.
ohara831
02-24-2009, 06:49 AM
Went for 23 pts 3 reb 3 assts in their loss last night to Kansas. They wee without Blake Griffin, so Kansas could focus on stopping him.
SWedd523
02-24-2009, 09:53 PM
Went for 23 pts 3 reb 3 assts in their loss last night to Kansas. They wee without Blake Griffin, so Kansas could focus on stopping him.
The announcers kept saying all night how he was the only guard in the team that doesn't rely on Griffin to get his points. He basically does what he wants whenever he wants.
I LOVED how late in the game after Collins hit a three and was talking trash and Willie came down and drained a 25 footer right in his grill. Man has balls!
The announcers kept saying all night how he was the only guard in the team that doesn't rely on Griffin to get his points. He basically does what he wants whenever he wants.
IMO, that's not a good thing. In fact, I have seen several occasions when he has flat out ignored getting the ball to Griffin when Griffin has had excellent position in favor of taking his own long shot - just like Boobie used to do with LMA at Texas.
Warren is a shoot 1st SG in a PG's body. When you have a total stud like Griffin on your team, you should be going to him as much as possible and just wait for the ball to kick out to you when he gets doubled.
As far as the Stuckey comparisons go: Warren doesn't have nearly the play making insticts or defense of Stuckey.
Stuckey's not a good long range shooter at all.
I don't see them being a like 1 bit.
ohara831
02-25-2009, 12:09 PM
Slam, you think he is a better shooter than Stuckey which is good. But dont discount his playmaking skills just yet. Remember, he's only 19. He's doing this on a big stage at only 19. Give him the full season and NCAA Tourneyment. And he will only get better. And as of right now, both he and Teague will likely be on the table when we pick.
Slam, you think he is a better shooter than Stuckey which is good. But dont discount his playmaking skills just yet. Remember, he's only 19. He's doing this on a big stage at only 19. Give him the full season and NCAA Tourneyment. And he will only get better. And as of right now, both he and Teague will likely be on the table when we pick.
If I had to choose (meaning the several other SG's I like more all get snapped up and I was only left with those two) I would take Teague without thiking twice.
ohara831
02-25-2009, 01:14 PM
I would take Teague over Warren, but it is close IMO
How about we call a truce and agree that we'd take them both over Curry!!
;)
coordinator0
02-25-2009, 02:43 PM
I agree with taking Teague over Warren. Warren would be behind Harden(duh), Henderson, Teague, and Evans for me.
ohara831
02-25-2009, 03:01 PM
Harden, Teague, Warren, Evans and Henderson is my order.
Too early to put things in order for me. Got to see who's in and who's out.
For eg: If Evan Turner is in the draft, he moves up pretty high.
SWedd523
02-25-2009, 06:42 PM
I don't see how Warren's ability to create his own shot can be a bad thing. All people ever do is complain about how Ray always takes "hero shots".. which is because we're seriously lacking a person who can create his own shot.
Don't underestimate his ability to make plays. It's tough to do it when the best player is out and the rest of the team is playing flat because they're sad he's not in the game. And besides, you're going to see the majority of Freshman take bad shots, especially when they're trying to get their name out there.
I don't see the SG is a PG's body part. My comparison to Stuckey is that Warren is a very solid 6'4 207lb. college freshman. Stuckey is 6'5 205lb. and is 3 years older. (DJ is a generous 6'0 180 and Ray is 6'1 198) If anything, Teague would create a big liability for our backcourt.
Harden is, of course, better. and I would put Henderson ahead of Warren too. But if he's at that spot we should definitely consider him.
We need a SG. We need a SG with size that can go out there and take over games on the offensive end. Warren is just one in a group of emerging SG's that can do that.
Don't confuse being able to create your own shot with only looking for your own shot. They are two very different things.
And I'll be quite surprised if Warren measures in at 6'4" at the predraft.
SWedd523
02-25-2009, 08:30 PM
Don't confuse being able to create your own shot with only looking for your own shot. They are two very different things.
And I'll be quite surprised if Warren measures in at 6'4" at the predraft.
I know the difference, and I think he has the skills to create his own shot. You can't seriously say he only looks for his own shot.
He may or he may not, but as of now, he's 6'4'' :D
He averages almost as many shot attempts as Blake Griffin and the ball goes through Willie's hands a lot.
Half of his shot are three point attempts.
He looks to get his too more that he does anything else - regardless of what the D is throwing at him.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the kid. Hardly at all. He's some where between Boobie Gibson and Ben Gordon IMO - except that Gordon as a lot more tricks in his bag.
He's just a guy who wouldn't be near the top of my SG wish list.
SWedd523
02-25-2009, 09:05 PM
He's just a guy who wouldn't be near the top of my SG wish list.
I agree with what you have to say.. I'm just trying to tell you to not underestimate him and that he'd be a solid consolation prize if we don't land my boy Harden :)
and I'd mossssssss deffffff take him over Curry
I thought your boy was Jodie Meeks??
;)
SWedd523
02-25-2009, 09:38 PM
I thought your boy was Jodie Meeks??
;)
You know its been James Hard-on for the longest time. But that's a given so Jodie Meeks is my boy. Just like you have Turner ;)
Warren is just another solid option for us at SG
SWedd523
02-25-2009, 10:33 PM
Since he's new to ESPN's Mock Draft, I'll post what they have to say about him:
"Warren has become the perfect complement to Blake Griffin at Oklahoma. He is arguably the best freshman in the country this year. He has great size, athleticism and solid jump shot. While teams aren't sure he can make the transition to full-time point in the pros, he has enough size to play both the 1 and the 2."
ohara831
02-28-2009, 12:04 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-090227
Here's the latest from Ford on the prospects who are hot. I put it here for you Slam my friend. Notice he compares him not with Boobie, but with Gilbert. Now I ask you, if you cant get Harden, and you have a pick in the range of #7 - #10, and you have a chance to get a 19 yr old who compares favorably (albeit only a projection) to Gilbert Arenas, dont you think he can help the Cats? I know there are things you dont like about him, but the kid is still learning. He's only 19.
SWedd523
02-28-2009, 09:35 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-090227
Here's the latest from Ford on the prospects who are hot. I put it here for you Slam my friend. Notice he compares him not with Boobie, but with Gilbert. Now I ask you, if you cant get Harden, and you have a pick in the range of #7 - #10, and you have a chance to get a 19 yr old who compares favorably (albeit only a projection) to Gilbert Arenas, dont you think he can help the Cats? I know there are things you dont like about him, but the kid is still learning. He's only 19.
Thank you for putting that up. I saw the article the other day but I've been sick so I wasn't able to post up the links and quotes
7-10 range, we go for Meeks, Henderson, or Warren
I don't think he's anything like Gilbert. Gilbert uses a variety of ways to score and drives really, really well.
I also think he is bigger than WW.
That's not to say he wouldn't be a consideration when we pick, but there would be quite a few in front of him on my board.
(hope you are feeling better Swedd)
I watched the Wake, Duke, Buckeyes, Arizona State and a little of the UConn game today and only saw about a combined 5 mins of the Sooners game.
Why did WW only 0-3 in 12 mins? Did he get hurt or just have a very bad game?
SWedd523
02-28-2009, 09:14 PM
I don't think he's anything like Gilbert. Gilbert uses a variety of ways to score and drives really, really well.
I also think he is bigger than WW.
That's not to say he wouldn't be a consideration when we pick, but there would be quite a few in front of him on my board.
(hope you are feeling better Swedd)
I think you really underestimate his size and scoring ability Slam. But I couldn't tell you why he played so poorly today.. Who would you place above him in the latter part of the lottery?
I appreciate the well wishes. It just so happens I was dragged up to the mountains this weekend to go snowboarding :rolleyes: haha guess I just have to tough it out
I think you really underestimate his size and scoring ability Slam. But I couldn't tell you why he played so poorly today.. Who would you place above him in the latter part of the lottery?
I'll do my overall big board and positional big board once we know who is staying in the draft and who is going back to school in a couple of months time.
At this stage assuming everyone was staying in (which wont happen) he'd be around 5th or 6th of my SG big board for us.
I appreciate the well wishes. It just so happens I was dragged up to the mountains this weekend to go snowboarding :rolleyes: haha guess I just have to tough it out
Rough life!!
SWedd523
03-14-2009, 09:42 PM
13/4/2/1 in Oklahoma's quarterfinal loss to Oklahoma State
Warren had a terrific freshman season, but his play against Syracuse and North Carolina highlighted some of his weaknesses. In both games, Warren's perimeter shot wasn't falling and he resorted to taking some wild shots. His numbers versus North Carolina don't look that bad, but most of his points came when the game was already out of reach for the Sooners.
Warren said this weekend that he was 99 percent sure he was returning for his sophomore year, wanting to see how strong his game is without Blake Griffin on the floor. He shined in the few games in which Griffin didn't play this season, so maybe he knows what he's talking about. Still, it's a risk for Warren. He's widely considered a Top 10 pick now based on upside. If he skips the draft this year, he's going to have to prove he's worthy of a Top 10 pick next year.asdasdasdasdsd
coordinator0
03-31-2009, 05:03 PM
I'm not a fan of his at this point anymore. Hopefully he does stay and work on some of his weaknesses.
I'm not sure if I should take him wanting to go back to school as admirable because he wants to work on his game, or typical because he strikes me as a "me first" glory hound type and he wants to be "the man" on Oklahoma with Blake not there.
coordinator0
03-31-2009, 07:39 PM
I'm not sure if I should take him wanting to go back to school as admirable because he wants to work on his game, or typical because he strikes me as a "me first" glory hound type and he wants to be "the man" on Oklahoma with Blake not there.
Good point, that would only add into my not wanting him.
Actually, now that i think about it there are different ways that it can be taken. Does he want to go back because he will get all the glory, or does he want to go back to prove that he just isn't a by-product of Blake Griffin?
SWedd523
03-31-2009, 10:06 PM
Good point, that would only add into my not wanting him.
Actually, now that i think about it there are different ways that it can be taken. Does he want to go back because he will get all the glory, or does he want to go back to prove that he just isn't a by-product of Blake Griffin?
I don't think it's him wanting all of the "glory" but moreso about him wanting to prove that his stellar performance in Blake's absence wasn't a fluke. He's probably realizing that he's not that high on the draft board so he has more to gain by staying at Oklahoma for another year and getting better.
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