View Full Version : AI vs. Felton
LB4President
03-06-2009, 10:39 AM
It seems logical that they will both command about the same price. Who would you rather have? I have no idea of their intentions this summer, but if you had to choose who would you pick.
TattoodCats4life
03-06-2009, 10:47 AM
Well, AI has experience, but he's getting old, which DJ makes up for, but I doubt AI + DJ would work as well together as DJ + Felton. I'd keep Felton for the money, and Larry's been getting through to him about his last quarter play.
G-Force for MVP
03-06-2009, 11:15 AM
iverson is old and hurt
TattoodCats4life
03-06-2009, 11:45 AM
iverson is old and hurt
Yeah, and how well the pistons do with him in a suit will hurt his free agency this year for sure. Maybe he'll look for 3 years at 2.5 mil :) Then we've gotta make the deal and have him play 15 min as a role player :)
110oldeast
03-06-2009, 12:10 PM
Felton is a young point guard. Iverson is an aging shooting guard. I don't know that they will command similar money. But they also don't fit the same role.
Ghost Kat
03-06-2009, 01:01 PM
Injured or not I can't believe you are putting Iverson and Felton in the same breath. There is no way Felton would ever get paid the same amount as Iverson. If nothing else AI is a league face, He brings in fans and money.....Felton will never do that. Iverson is a garanteed scorer and isn't a bad PG when put him into that role. Ya'll are calling AI old but he came out the same year as Ray Allen and Kobe. I have all their rookie cards...Who's calling Kobe old?
Who would I rather have?...In a perfect world , Iverson. He plays hard ever game, Scores, passes, is always a league leader in steals , Brings in money and fans and finally gives this team a go to scorer.
G-Force for MVP
03-06-2009, 01:20 PM
kobe and allen are old
110oldeast
03-06-2009, 01:56 PM
I think the OP finally got the response he was waiting for.
Injured or not I can't believe you are putting Iverson and Felton in the same breath. There is no way Felton would ever get paid the same amount as Iverson. If nothing else AI is a league face, He brings in fans and money.....Felton will never do that. Iverson is a garanteed scorer and isn't a bad PG when put him into that role. Ya'll are calling AI old but he came out the same year as Ray Allen and Kobe. I have all their rookie cards...Who's calling Kobe old?
Who would I rather have?...In a perfect world , Iverson. He plays hard ever game, Scores, passes, is always a league leader in steals , Brings in money and fans and finally gives this team a go to scorer.
BETCATS
03-06-2009, 03:11 PM
i say both.
You must spend to profit.
Iverson is the scoring we need at SG, Bell can come off the bench behind him for heavy minutes (we can play Iverson/Bell together during some stretches of the game).
ALuhrs704
03-06-2009, 03:24 PM
id rather have felton.......... AI wouldnt be good for okafor or wallace. mainly because they wouldnt get shots. when mek gets his shots we normally win. felton passes. id rather keep him and grow off this chemistry we have. I believe AI will get way more money than felton too. Look at the deals last summer.....brand, arenas, ellis, maggette. you know AI is gonna get major cash, even if he is old he still can play. just dont know if it will work with the cats. but if we got him, i'd support it. ILBIT.
Ghost Kat
03-06-2009, 04:12 PM
I think the OP finally got the response he was waiting for.
Who or what is an OP ???
I didn't say AI would work well with this team as it's set up...I honestly don't know, maybe LB could work his magic on Iverson again. But like i said in a perfect world I'd go with Iverson old or not. As a full package he offers more then Felton ever would.
Keetch
03-06-2009, 04:39 PM
Felton in a minute. Not a fan of AI's game, though I've always admired his heart. He just seems to need the ball too much, even worse than Felton, and at AI's age + wear & tear, heart isn't enough. Look what happened to Detroit and Denver after the AI/Billups trade. I think AI would set this team back.
Who or what is an OP ???
Original Poster I believe
I would rather have Ray, but can we get both? Imagine Ray, DJ, AI, and Raja rotating at the guards, how beastly would that be?
dnbman
03-06-2009, 06:34 PM
I have all their rookie cards...Who's calling Kobe old?
If you flip over the back of those rookie cards, you'll realize that AI went to college for a couple of years while Kobe went directly to the pros.
AI is three years older than Kobe.
BTW... I don't think that there will be much competition between the two, as they do fill completely different roles.
At this point in his career, AI is turning into a secondary or even third (tertiary?) scorer. He's not the kind of guy who is going to play a lot of minutes at the pg role and distribute to better scorers. He gets his assists off of dominating the ball and finding the open man when he's doubled.
Felton is more of a true pg and is a guy you might build around now (not saying as THE core player, but as a core player.)
Just different situations, different phases of their careers.
coordinator0
03-06-2009, 06:44 PM
It not even close. Felton is the better team guy, better PG, better defender, and has so much less of an ego. Hell no to A.I.
Ghost Kat
03-06-2009, 07:07 PM
I'm always the old ball out in these types of debates....But I'll keep my Iverson vote. He has been my fav. player since he was at Georgetown...I love how hard he plays. Old or not...For me... I'd like to have AI...like i said in a perfect world :cool:
110oldeast
03-06-2009, 09:55 PM
Kat, OP meant opening post or poster. LB4Pres has said repeatedly that he hates Felton. I figured this was simply a baiting post to get someone to have to say something against Felton. Unless he has some inside info that the FO is thinking about Felton or AI, I really have no idea what the point of the thread would be. I wasn't disagreeing with your point.
I think it's apples to oranges. AI is a 2 guard. Felton is a point guard. If asked who I would want as my 2 guard, I would say AI with ZERO hesitation. If asked who I would want as a pg, I would say Felton.
Who or what is an OP ???
I didn't say AI would work well with this team as it's set up...I honestly don't know, maybe LB could work his magic on Iverson again. But like i said in a perfect world I'd go with Iverson old or not. As a full package he offers more then Felton ever would.
Kat, OP meant opening post or poster. LB4Pres has said repeatedly that he hates Felton. I figured this was simply a baiting post to get someone to have to say something against Felton. Unless he has some inside info that the FO is thinking about Felton or AI, I really have no idea what the point of the thread would be. I wasn't disagreeing with your point.
I think it's apples to oranges. AI is a 2 guard. Felton is a point guard. If asked who I would want as my 2 guard, I would say AI with ZERO hesitation. If asked who I would want as a pg, I would say Felton.
AI is a combo guard, and thats what he would be in Charlotte most likely. If we brought him in, it would probably be becasue we couldnt re-sign Ray, and he would alternate at the 1 with DJ and the 2 with Raja. At least thats how I think it would go. Not that I want that to happen
If we could get AI for $5 mil a year and sign him for a couple of years we would be insane not to do it and if we did, it wouldn't be at the cost of Felts, it would be to compliment what we already have.
etothet
03-07-2009, 12:34 AM
Injured or not I can't believe you are putting Iverson and Felton in the same breath. There is no way Felton would ever get paid the same amount as Iverson. If nothing else AI is a league face, He brings in fans and money.....Felton will never do that. Iverson is a garanteed scorer and isn't a bad PG when put him into that role. Ya'll are calling AI old but he came out the same year as Ray Allen and Kobe. I have all their rookie cards...Who's calling Kobe old?
Who would I rather have?...In a perfect world , Iverson. He plays hard ever game, Scores, passes, is always a league leader in steals , Brings in money and fans and finally gives this team a go to scorer.
No way would I pick AI over Raymond Felton. Ray is becoming a beast. Tonight against Atlanta, 17points, 10 dimes, 4 boards, and no turnovers.
Ghost Kat
03-07-2009, 04:48 PM
No way would I pick AI over Raymond Felton. Ray is becoming a beast. Tonight against Atlanta, 17points, 10 dimes, 4 boards, and no turnovers.
What this team needs media wise is a big name. Someone to market to the country. Now AI would do that. How many people would could to the game just to watch him play? Alot more then what's in the stands now.
What this team needs media wise is a big name. Someone to market to the country. Now AI would do that. How many people would could to the game just to watch him play? Alot more then what's in the stands now.
I understand exactly what you're saying, and thats why I want us to bring in Sheed, but AI isn't as good as Ray. Would I mind us bringing in AI? Not at all, he's a great baller, he still has what it takes, and he's stuck in a bad system for him. Plus he does well with LB. But, I would rather us have Ray run the point and Raja play the 2, but thats just my $0.02
BobCatsFanInTx
03-07-2009, 10:11 PM
Injured or not I can't believe you are putting Iverson and Felton in the same breath. There is no way Felton would ever get paid the same amount as Iverson. If nothing else AI is a league face, He brings in fans and money.....Felton will never do that. Iverson is a garanteed scorer and isn't a bad PG when put him into that role. Ya'll are calling AI old but he came out the same year as Ray Allen and Kobe. I have all their rookie cards...Who's calling Kobe old?
Who would I rather have?...In a perfect world , Iverson. He plays hard ever game, Scores, passes, is always a league leader in steals , Brings in money and fans and finally gives this team a go to scorer.Let us not forget that AI considers Larry Brown one of the best coaches he has ever had. AI and Larry Brown had a love hate relationship but together they worked some magic for the Sixers. If playing for Larry Brown would bring out some vintage play from AI it would be stupid not to chose AI over Felton.
110oldeast
03-07-2009, 10:14 PM
Flawed initial premise. AI is a combo. Despite the stupidity of the franchise's initial grooming of him, Felton is a POINT GUARD through and through. There is no vs. in this situation. It would be Raja vs. AI as they are 2 guards.
That said, LB's championship group didn't have that ONE definite marketable figure either. It was collection of COHESIVE, defensive minded ball players who knew how to play the game offensively as a UNIT. That's exactly what we have now. It's all about bench solidifying to take us to that next level.
spectre
03-08-2009, 09:54 AM
Allen Iverson says he'll be fine with coming off the bench when he returns from a back problem that came up, coincidentally enough, when he was told that he'd be demoted for Richard Hamilton. But even if Iverson accepts his first reserve role, there is no guarantee it will work. "Guys have a hard time playing with him," said one Eastern Conference executive. "They don't know what he's going to do. Why is that going to change when he's playing off the bench?"
I can't believe this discussion is still going on.
We have team chemistry...AI would kill that with his "me first" attitude.
I can't believe this discussion is still going on.
We have team chemistry...AI would kill that with his "me first" attitude.
LB wouldn't bring him in if he didn't think that AI wouldn't play along. this is all with the premise that ILBWT.
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