What about Steve Nash?

[GOBOBCATS24]

Not sure if this is true but I'm thinking that Steve Nash can opt out and become a free agent this summer. If so, we should go after him. I know that Raymond wants to come back but We can't afford for him to come back if he breaks the bank. I also know that Steve and Raja Bell are best friends and he was close to Diaw too so I think maybe we should look more into this Steve Nash thing. This summer is a big free agent time because a bunch of teams are going to be saving up for 2010 which leaves a lot of good players out there in summer of 09. Just a thought to see what you guys think.

[davcbow]

Not sure if this is true but I'm thinking that Steve Nash can opt out and become a free agent this summer. If so, we should go after him. I know that Raymond wants to come back but We can't afford for him to come back if he breaks the bank. I also know that Steve and Raja Bell are best friends and he was close to Diaw too so I think maybe we should look more into this Steve Nash thing. This summer is a big free agent time because a bunch of teams are going to be saving up for 2010 which leaves a lot of good players out there in summer of 09. Just a thought to see what you guys think.

Hey although Nash is a great but getting old PG, that would be cool for a year or so to let DJ learn more and what a great PG to learn from. They could also call us the Charlotte Sunny-Bobs :p....

[spectre]

Well, opting out would mean he'd be giving up 13.125 million bucks, and no one will be able to come close to matching that (only something like 4 teams have cap this summer and I think only Detroit could be considered a contender out of those...and they have Stuckey).

However, according to this (http://www.nypost.com/seven/03142009/sports/knicks/duhon_on_shelf_159521.htm) the Suns can exercise an "early opt out clause" to release Nash. If that happens he'll most likely be looking at a MLE deal, and I for one would be all over giving that to him.

Question is, would we be able to win him over Toronto (his home country) or NY, which has his favorite coach?

[bing!]

Being torn between one's home land, one's favourite coach and one's best friend... maybe the Atlantic Seaboard's what'll draw him this way. SunCats, hmm, has a nice ring to it.

But he is too old, he'll turn 36 next season, that's grandpa age, basketball-wise.

[SirBobcat]

What's that say to Raymond Felton and DJ Augustin if they were to bring in Steve Nash? I don't think that's the area (as big of a fan as I am and have his jersey in my closet) that the Bobcats should be addressing with the MLE. This team is very close to something great and I feel that it would be wasting with two point guards who have looked fantastic lately. We got to find some help at SG and figure out what the future lies with the Big men outside of Okafor and Diop.

[spectre]

I'm betting we won't even use the MLE this year. If we re-up Felton then we're going to be pushing near the luxury tax as is. From Tam's salary thread we're looking at 66,424,870 and that's just with the QO. We'll most likely lose about 3.6 of that assuming we let May walk...but who's to say they won't take the same approach with him as they did Morrison last year.

[TattoodCats4life]

We'll most likely lose about 3.6 of that assuming we let May walk...but who's to say they won't take the same approach with him as they did Morrison last year.

I know this is an unpopular thing to say and feel, but I think they are going to qualify May. Best case we see how he is a full season in shape, worst case its one more year, he's expiring and we can trade him as a small expiring for either a late 1st round pick and junk with another year on it, or a decent player that someone wants to dump for salary purposes. On the same note, I'm glad we're not being scared of the salary cap. We stand to profit next year from teams trying to move players in fear of the luxury tax, and I'm honestly of the opinion that as long as we don't get into the tax we should grab up anything that will make us better.

[spectre]

On the same note, I'm glad we're not being scared of the salary cap. We stand to profit next year from teams trying to move players in fear of the luxury tax, and I'm honestly of the opinion that as long as we don't get into the tax we should grab up anything that will make us better.

Assuming the new tax will be 68 million and you're advocating to pick up May's option that would only leave us 1.6 million +/- under the LUXURY TAX.

Don't really see how we're going to grab up anything with that small amount of money.

[millst2]

Well I agree with the idea of seeing if May can be healthy and I also agree that we will make some moves with all of the bigger market teams being cutting off their arms to stay under the LC.

be nice if we could get rid of Nazr's contract, but if we make a PG move I would think Felts would be the one traded. They want move DJ because LB can make sure he molds him into his type of player and he has a few years less wear and tear on the body as raymond.

I would think we would get rid of Felts, Nazr, for a good trade pick, or they just dump the two for future draft picks allowing us to grab someone on the free agency. We with trading Felts ( who i think is solid and getting better and better and plays with heart) and Nazr ( one of the dumbest moves we had made and is a waste) and by not keeping Cartier anbd the other D-Leaguer we could have free open slots. All depends on if we can package Nazr and Felts and bring in another PG and another PF/C

Man , thanks for bringing that up, becuase as much as I would hate to see felts go, just thinking of bringing in some more talent and making our bench deeper while dumping Nazr is a win win. We all better get comfortable with the notion that more than likely 4 of the current cats will not be here come next year.

[SWedd523]

Nash = No.

I'd give Ray the MLE and go with him and DJ for the future rather than go with Nash and DJ. Nash is declining rapidly and wouldn't be what we're looking for. My guess is he goes to New York to be with D'Antoni to ride his career out with the huge NY fanbase and nondefensive style of play.

May = Big Fucking No.

Are we seriously even considering bringing him back for another year? Why would anyone want him? I don't care if he's fully healthy and ready to go. I wouldn't want him back unless he paid us back for the years of charity pay we gave him OR he played for the league minimum. NO TO MAY

[teej]

Nash, um, no. It sounds enticing but Ray is better longterm and maybe even shorterm, and Nash has no D.

May, only if he's on the minimum salary, we paid WAY to much for him to eat McDonald's for the last three years.

[mrtarheel]

I say we trade Nazr to Golden State for Crawford, while letting go of Martin and Jefferson bring in Gooden or Frye from free agency. If we can't get Crawford go after Morris Almond from the Jazz, a NBDL call up that lights it up. Maybe bring in him and Crawford because Crawford could be the backup sg and also backup pg which would leave a roster spot for another sf/sg like Gerald Green. We would have players that could switch at all positions.

Frye pf/c , Green sg/sf, Radmon sf/pf/c, Crawford sg/pg, Felts pg/sg

[SWedd523]

I say we trade Nazr to Golden State for Crawford, while letting go of Martin and Jefferson bring in Gooden or Frye from free agency. If we can't get Crawford go after Morris Almond from the Jazz, a NBDL call up that lights it up. Maybe bring in him and Crawford because Crawford could be the backup sg and also backup pg which would leave a roster spot for another sf/sg like Gerald Green. We would have players that could switch at all positions.

Frye pf/c , Green sg/sf, Radmon sf/pf/c, Crawford sg/pg, Felts pg/sg
I'd love to have Crawford, but do you have any inclination that he would want to come here? Or that Golden State would lose him for Nazr? The Nash thing was brought up because of his relationship with Raja and Diaw.

[GOBOBCATS24]

I love Raymond Felton, but all indications show that his agent is going to be asking for bagillions of dollars this summer and stuff and I was just saying hey if Nash is available he could do just as good of a job as raymond does for a couple of years anyway. I would choose Raymond over Nash right now anyday, but with the money and our situation with the cap I dont know if this can happen. Raymond says that he loves Charlotte and he wants to stay here, but if he is going to break our bank, is he worth it? I was simply saying that Nash could be a potential secondary option, and a darn good secondary option I say. in his last 15 or so games hes averaging 24+ pts and 10+ assists under the Suns revamped quicker paced offense. He is in great shape for as old as he is, plays soccer all summer to stay in shape, court vision is Godly, and his jumpshot is among the best that the NBA has to offer. Granted he is old but hes in such good shape that right now his age is not a factor. the only reason his numbers are down this year is because terry porters offense didnt suit Nash's style of play. okay i have written plenty. GO BOBCATSSSSSSSS

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I love Raymond Felton, but all indications show that his agent is going to be asking for bagillions of dollars this summer and stuff and I was just saying hey if Nash is available he could do just as good of a job as raymond does for a couple of years anyway. I would choose Raymond over Nash right now anyday, but with the money and our situation with the cap I dont know if this can happen. Raymond says that he loves Charlotte and he wants to stay here, but if he is going to break our bank, is he worth it? I was simply saying that Nash could be a potential secondary option, and a darn good secondary option I say. in his last 15 or so games hes averaging 24+ pts and 10+ assists under the Suns revamped quicker paced offense. He is in great shape for as old as he is, plays soccer all summer to stay in shape, court vision is Godly, and his jumpshot is among the best that the NBA has to offer. Granted he is old but hes in such good shape that right now his age is not a factor. the only reason his numbers are down this year is because terry porters offense didnt suit Nash's style of play. okay i have written plenty. GO BOBCATSSSSSSSSThe Bobcats don't really play a style of Basketball that suits Nash either. Nash would be better suited reuniting with D'Antoni. Otherwise I would love to have Nash. I just don't think coach Brown is going to change his style of play for an old player nearing the end of his career. Even though it would make a great story to have Nash reunited with his former Suns teammates and current friends. ;)

[Slam]

I'm betting we won't even use the MLE this year. If we re-up Felton then we're going to be pushing near the luxury tax as is. From Tam's salary thread we're looking at 66,424,870 and that's just with the QO. We'll most likely lose about 3.6 of that assuming we let May walk...but who's to say they won't take the same approach with him as they did Morrison last year.
Quick question on McMay.

His QO is around 3.6 - right? Can we go to him and say "listen Sean, you've had a pretty good run milking money out of the team for the past 3 years, how about you give a little back? We aren't going to exercise your QO so you will be an UFA, but we want you to resign here on the cheap for 3 years - say 1-1.5 per year. If you don't, we are going to exercise your QO and then we are going to trade you to who ever will take you for what ever we can get".

Or is that against the CBA?

[spectre]

Quick question on McMay.

His QO is around 3.6 - right? Can we go to him and say "listen Sean, you've had a pretty good run milking money out of the team for the past 3 years, how about you give a little back? We aren't going to exercise your QO so you will be an UFA, but we want you to resign here on the cheap for 3 years - say 1-1.5 per year. If you don't, we are going to exercise your QO and then we are going to trade you to who ever will take you for what ever we can get".

Or is that against the CBA?

Pretty sure we can do all that up til the "If you don't" part. We can offer the QO but he doesn't have to take it (he can just walk). We can pull the QO, but I'm thinking there's a cutoff date. If he takes the QO then he has to approve any trade.

I absolutely agree with doing that BTW. He might refuse, go UFA and then sign a deal with another team...but oh well. It could come back and bite us in the arse, but them's the breaks.

I have a hard time just handing him another 3.6.

[Slam]

Pretty sure we can do all that up til the "If you don't" part.
Didn't Nellie just do the same thing with Crawford?

I'd like to keep McMay (so long as he can pass a physical!!) on the proviso that we will opt out of his contract but he will resign with us on the cheap for 2 or 3 years as a "thank you Bobcats for sticking by me".

[spectre]

Crawford is different because he has an "opt out" vs. an expiring contract. If he doesn't opt out he's still GSW's for 2 years (I think).

I'm in total agreement with you on May.

I can't believe May is on good terms with the Carolina "family" (Dean Smith). He's pretty much stolen from Jordan since he's been here and now he's got LB on him. I have to think that he would be strongly urged not to just blow off the Bobcats and sign with another team...esp. since I doubt any team would give him much more than that 1 million per year.

If I had to bet, I'd go with him doing your scenario at least for 1 year to "prove" himself. That way he wouldn't get ostracized.

[Slam]

Surely he has a conscious and he feels be ows the club something?

It would be horrible to keep him around at 3.6 next year but great to have him around at 1 (unless that 3.6 can become attractive as an expiring in a trade that nets us something of value?)

[BETCATS]

Since somebody asked about Jamal Crawlford, and if GS would just get rid of him, the answer is HELLS YES!!:biggrin:

http://slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/03/don-nelsons-ultimatum-for-jamal-crawford/

[spectre]

Surely he has a conscious and he feels be ows the club something?

It would be horrible to keep him around at 3.6 next year but great to have him around at 1 (unless that 3.6 can become attractive as an expiring in a trade that nets us something of value?)

They might go that route...and it's much better reasoning than picking up Ammo's option for THE FOLLOWING SEASON.

We could really use him though (I'd like a "grunt" like I mentioned in the other thread, but May could possibly fill in like Juwan Howard), so my preference would be a 1 yr/1 million offer.

You'd think he would feel bad...I know I would. Still, with him stretching it out like he did I'm not so sure exactly how bad he really feels.

[SWedd523]

I'm just trying to figure out where we're getting these "indications" that Ray is going to want "bagillions" of dollars. Has he EVER come out saying that he wants to be paid or he's walking? Has he EVER said I want top 10 PG money?

I don't think I've heard a single thing from a reliable source that he was even having difficult contract discussions with the ball club. Whoever buys into this crap that he's going to want a ton of money needs to provide some sort of real substantiation that it's real. :confused:

[Slam]

I'm just trying to figure out where we're getting these "indications" that Ray is going to want "bagillions" of dollars. Has he EVER come out saying that he wants to be paid or he's walking? Has he EVER said I want top 10 PG money?

I don't think I've heard a single thing from a reliable source that he was even having difficult contract discussions with the ball club. Whoever buys into this crap that he's going to want a ton of money needs to provide some sort of real substantiation that it's real. :confused:
Didn't hear it until his contract negotiations began that EO50 felt he deserved "Dwight Howard" type money - and no one expected that.

[Slam]

May could possibly fill in like Juwan Howard), so my preference would be a 1 yr/1 million offer.
Totally what I had in mind. Play him as that 3rd string with the ability to be 2nd string if needed PF taking Howard's place next season (assuming Juwan hangs them up or signs with a contender).

Personally I'd sign him for 2 or 3 years at a flat mill per. That way if he does fully recover we have him at a bargin basement price. If he doesn't he's an add in in a bigger trade or we just cut him at no great cost.

It would be great if we were paying him 3/3 and he recovered so well and put in a lot of work that enabled him to take over as our 2nd string PF with Radman moving to the back up SF spot.

A mill a year for a back up PF who could average 10/10/1?

Man, he owes us at LEAST that!!

[SWedd523]

Didn't hear it until his contract negotiations began that EO50 felt he deserved "Dwight Howard" type money - and no one expected that.

I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about someones earlier post (and a shitload other comments) that felton will want an exorbitant amount of money so we should bring in nash and we shouldn't resign ray when we haven't had any proof to that claim.

[davcbow]

I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about someones earlier post (and a shitload other comments) that felton will want an exorbitant amount of money so we should bring in nash and we shouldn't resign ray when we haven't had any proof to that claim.

Lets just hope Feltons manager isnt a greedy one... A lot of times its the manager that pushes for the big money not the player himself... :cool:

[spectre]

I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about someones earlier post (and a shitload other comments) that felton will want an exorbitant amount of money so we should bring in nash and we shouldn't resign ray when we haven't had any proof to that claim.

What gives me pause was Jordan's comments earlier about Felton. He specifically mentioned that his agent shouldn't think that he's going to get big money just because the Bobcats plan to try and re-up him this summer.

We have nothing difinitive.

[Slam]

I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about someones earlier post (and a shitload other comments) that felton will want an exorbitant amount of money so we should bring in nash and we shouldn't resign ray when we haven't had any proof to that claim.
Didn't Bonnell report before the trade deadline that one of the main reasons that they were looking to trade him was because of the indications his agent was making suggesting he was going to be looking for big money?

[SWedd523]

Didn't Bonnell report before the trade deadline that one of the main reasons that they were looking to trade him was because of the indications his agent was making suggesting he was going to be looking for big money?
You put faith in Bonnell?

[teej]

You put faith in Bonnell?

aka Brevin Knight's biggest fan from what I remember :rolleyes:

[davcbow]

aka Brevin Knight's biggest fan from what I remember :rolleyes:

Yep he thinks the world revolves around him...:cool:

[teej]

Yep he thinks the world revolves around him...:cool:
which means he doesnt like Ray because Ray took away BK's job. so he wants Ray outta here. using logic, anyways.

[GOBOBCATS24]

I have heard from multiple sources that Raymonds agent wants big money that we can't offer him, but Raymond said he is coming back no matter what beacause he loves charlotte and he loves this team. I was just saying worst case scenario if we can't get him back then we should think about signing Nash. Idk but I have a feeling that some very interesting things are going to happen this offseason in the Bobcats organization. Have you guys speculated like I have on why they have been featuring Felton and Okafor Jerseys as Item of the night for like 65 dollars off for the last week? It sure does make me wonder. Hopefully we are just changing the design or something next season and not thwarting two of our big three. anyways its all just speculation but I know one things for sure, its gonna go down to the wire between us and the Bulls for that final spot.

[teej]

Raymond fires his agent at the ned of the year?? I'll be his agent :D

[SWedd523]

I have heard from multiple sources that Raymonds agent wants big money that we can't offer him, but Raymond said he is coming back no matter what beacause he loves charlotte and he loves this team. I was just saying worst case scenario if we can't get him back then we should think about signing Nash. Idk but I have a feeling that some very interesting things are going to happen this offseason in the Bobcats organization. Have you guys speculated like I have on why they have been featuring Felton and Okafor Jerseys as Item of the night for like 65 dollars off for the last week? It sure does make me wonder. Hopefully we are just changing the design or something next season and not thwarting two of our big three. anyways its all just speculation but I know one things for sure, its gonna go down to the wire between us and the Bulls for that final spot.
No offense man, but unless your sources are LB, MJ, Ray, or his agent.. then your sources don't really have any clue whats really going on.


Sources can say anything, but it doesn't make them true...