The Bobcatsplanet "I hate _________ thread"

[superb1]

In the last few games, there have been players who have really become hated on these boards. Join in and list your hated player of the Cats

I will start

Ray Allen
Will Bynum
The refs
Richard Jefferson (always hated)

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Kendrick Perkins
Rasheed Wallace

[SWedd523]

Whiners :confused:

[JamieMcNeill]

Whiners :confused:

Owned................

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I like D-Wade as a person, but I hate him as a player; with his constant "no-call" traveling and refs being all over his dick.

/ends whining

[Ampsportsduo]

Whiners :confused:

Thanks Killjoy.

[TattoodCats4life]

Dick Bavetta http://www.basketball-refs.com/active-nba-referees/dick-bavetta/

and

Bennett Salvatore

I do love me some Violet Palmer, she calls the fairest games I've seen (probably being female she's afraid she can't get away with stuff and will get questioned quicker by coaches and NBA officials for making favoritism calls).

I don't hate any player in the NBA, well Kobe and LeBron come up to the top, but not for their play, but for the things they get away with and their "I am the greatest!" attitude.

[WAM9]

I don't hate any player in the NBA, well Kobe and LeBron come up to the top, but not for their play, but for the things they get away with and their "I am the greatest!" attitude.


Not to change the subject but you don't really put Kobe and Lebron in the same category do you?

[GOBOBCATS24]

I just hate the way that they freakin play so rough:fouling on every rebound, getting away with all the bull crap, and relying on Ray Allen to freaking nail us into the ground. I mean I hate Garnett because during the game no matter what the situation, every single word that comes out of his mouth is a curse word and most of the time its the F word.

Also, the Refs have really screwed us over during this playoff run. Its like the NBA just said to them: WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T LET THE BOBCATS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS BECAUSE THEY PLAY AMAZINGLY AGAINST GOOD TEAMS AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY TAKE OUT THE CAVS OR CELTICS IN THE FIRST ROUND AND THEN OUR RATINGS WOULD PLUMMET. It seems like every game that the refs completely took us out of the game with bad call after bad call. Last night they basically gave Will Bynum at least 8 of his 4,000 points that he had in the 4th quarter.


Oh and in response to Kobe and Lebron having "best in the world" attitudes, they are the best in the world so shouldnt they show that type of confidence to be leaders for their team?

[GOBOBCATS24]

by the way I think everyone better watch out for Kobe next season, this summer hes gonna get that finger surgery and if hes scoring 28 pts a game right now with 3.5 fingers, imagine what he could do with all 5 haha. remember in 05-06 when he was i mean out of this world good? I think that Kobe will come back next season.

[Ghost Kat]

I'm sorry but i have to list Bob Johnson as my choice. I've seen him out promoting his Horse racing 10x more this month then I've seen him in 5 yrs promoting the Bobcats

:ranting:

BTW,
Ray Allen is the devils love child, I will never watch "He Got Game" again

[BRNC]

...that we are not going to the playoffs again...I'd have liked to have seen us at least give the Cavs heartburn...

[teej]

I'm sorry but i have to list Bob Johnson as my choice. I've seen him out promoting his Horse racing 10x more this month then I've seen him in 5 yrs promoting the Bobcats

:ranting:

You know, I'm finding it really scary that I'm agreeing with you :p

But him and David Stern, or whoever is in charge of the officiating that sucks more dick than Charles Barkley's ho of the night.

[BETCATS]

Why does everybody hate the refs? You all realize that if we didnt play so sloppy to the point where it could even appear that we are comminting a rule infraction they would not have anything to call. And star treatment is as old as star players, the NBA is all about entertainment, who goes to a movie to see the main character die in the first 10 minutes?


Things i am hating:
The hype the media gave us (makes us look like losers to the rest of the fairweather fan based world)
Our sloppy play as of late
Our inhabilty to close games
Will Perdue (so annoying, critizies the refs when they are cleary making the correct call, will talk about a single play for 20 minutes, has a unpleaseant voice, the list goes on and on...)

[teej]

Why does everybody hate the refs? You all realize that if we didnt play so sloppy to the point where it could even appear that we are comminting a rule infraction they would not have anything to call. And star treatment is as old as star players, the NBA is all about entertainment, who goes to a movie to see the main character die in the first 10 minutes?

Does the word immorality mean anything to you? I'm guessing it doesnt, but there have been a few games where the refs have taken away points or given them to the other team. That's not right, whether its normal or not.

[superb1]

We still will have his and Lakers number

[davcbow]

Why does everybody hate the refs? You all realize that if we didnt play so sloppy to the point where it could even appear that we are comminting a rule infraction they would not have anything to call. And star treatment is as old as star players, the NBA is all about entertainment, who goes to a movie to see the main character die in the first 10 minutes?

I have now and always hated favortism. Its not right that certain players get away with fouls and others dont. Some players can take an extra step other cant. Whats a foul on 1 player should be a foul for every player. a extra step is a extra step and should be called weather you are a super star or not. It makes me feel like some key games are rigged, what for the drama aspect? screw that noise.... :cool:

[BETCATS]

I have now and always hated favortism. Its not right that certain players get away with fouls and others dont. Some players can take an extra step other cant. Whats a foul on 1 player should be a foul for every player. a extra step is a extra step and should be called weather you are a super star or not. It makes me feel like some key games are rigged, what for the drama aspect? screw that noise.... :cool:

I agree, in a game of basketball, it should be called no matter who it is. However the NBA is becoming more and more like entertainment. It vouches for ratings, it creates protagonist/antagonist settings between players (ex: Shaq v. Kobe, Dirk v. Nash, Paul v. Williams), it resorts to lots of gimmicks (ex: props in the dunk contest), and is not pure basketball anymore. Because of that, it gives more players 'star' treatment then what was given in the 'good ole days' and will bend rules if it thinks it will improve the entertainment factor.

Nobody wants to see the star player sitting on the bench because of some minor rule beeing broken, people want to see the best do what they are paid to do. If you disagree, recall the Phoneix Suns playoff adventure of 2007. In that game, Boris Diaw and Amare Stoudmire left the bench, and were puinished to the full extent of the rules, a suspension. This cost the Suns the series and their last chance at a championship. The fans/media were outraged that the NBA chose to inforce the rules on its star players. Because of instances like this (some before/some after), the NBA refs have chosen to back down and call less things and be more flexible for star players, and that is why the NBA is in such kaos today.

Bending rules + entertainment factor + caring too much about making money = current NBA situation.

I still love it though.



Does the word immorality mean anything to you? I'm guessing it doesnt, but there have been a few games where the refs have taken away points or given them to the other team. That's not right, whether its normal or not.

No, the refs havent 'stolen' anything, we dropped it ourselves. Like i initially said, if we didnt play so sloppy that a ref could possibly interpret some action we do as a foul, then they wouldnt call it. This means barrel rolling over defenders, reaching in and not hitting the ball while going for a steal on defence, jumping on fakes and allowing players to jump into them, and so on/so forth. Their is no conspiarcy to keep us out of the playoffs, but the refs are going to call what they think they see, not what they know they see. If they think their is a chance something happened, they will call it. You may have a point that they do not respect us, and do not give us the benifit of the doubt, but they do have reasons for what they do.

[SWedd523]

I agree, in a game of basketball, it should be called no matter who it is. However the NBA is becoming more and more like entertainment. It vouches for ratings, it creates protagonist/antagonist settings between players (ex: Shaq v. Kobe, Dirk v. Nash, Paul v. Williams), it resorts to lots of gimmicks (ex: props in the dunk contest), and is not pure basketball anymore. Because of that, it gives more players 'star' treatment then what was given in the 'good ole days' and will bend rules if it thinks it will improve the entertainment factor.

Nobody wants to see the star player sitting on the bench because of some minor rule beeing broken, people want to see the best do what they are paid to do. If you disagree, recall the Phoneix Suns playoff adventure of 2007. In that game, Boris Diaw and Amare Stoudmire left the bench, and were puinished to the full extent of the rules, a suspension. This cost the Suns the series and their last chance at a championship. The fans/media were outraged that the NBA chose to inforce the rules on its star players. Because of instances like this (some before/some after), the NBA refs have chosen to back down and call less things and be more flexible for star players, and that is why the NBA is in such kaos today.

Bending rules + entertainment factor + caring too much about making money = current NBA situation.

I still love it though.




No, the refs havent 'stolen' anything, we dropped it ourselves. Like i initially said, if we didnt play so sloppy that a ref could possibly interpret some action we do as a foul, then they wouldnt call it. This means barrel rolling over defenders, reaching in and not hitting the ball while going for a steal on defence, jumping on fakes and allowing players to jump into them, and so on/so forth. Their is no conspiarcy to keep us out of the playoffs, but the refs are going to call what they think they see, not what they know they see. If they think their is a chance something happened, they will call it. You may have a point that they do not respect us, and do not give us the benifit of the doubt, but they do have reasons for what they do.

SOMEONE agrees with me!:p

I couldn't have said it better myself BETCATS

[Ampsportsduo]

Nobody wants to see the star player sitting on the bench because of some minor rule beeing broken, people want to see the best do what they are paid to do. If you disagree, recall the Phoneix Suns playoff adventure of 2007. In that game, Boris Diaw and Amare Stoudmire left the bench, and were puinished to the full extent of the rules, a suspension. This cost the Suns the series and their last chance at a championship. The fans/media were outraged that the NBA chose to inforce the rules on its star players. Because of instances like this (some before/some after), the NBA refs have chosen to back down and call less things and be more flexible for star players, and that is why the NBA is in such kaos today.

I look at this in the exact opposite way. This was not about enforcing the rules, it was about extending the reach of the rule well beyond what was intended. The outrage was not about the enforcement, it was about the ludicrous use of the rule to punish Phoenix.

Blaming media and fan pressure for the current star system is a red herring. The NBA screwed up the 2006 NBA Finals by giving Dwyane Wade unprecedented respect and that has set the tone for officiating the "stars" of the league ever since.

[superb1]

Yeah, right now I'm hating Ole Bob Jumping Johnson

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I agree, in a game of basketball, it should be called no matter who it is. However the NBA is becoming more and more like entertainment. It vouches for ratings, it creates protagonist/antagonist settings between players (ex: Shaq v. Kobe, Dirk v. Nash, Paul v. Williams), it resorts to lots of gimmicks (ex: props in the dunk contest), and is not pure basketball anymore. Because of that, it gives more players 'star' treatment then what was given in the 'good ole days' and will bend rules if it thinks it will improve the entertainment factor.

Nobody wants to see the star player sitting on the bench because of some minor rule being broken, people want to see the best do what they are paid to do. If you disagree, recall the Phoenix Suns playoff adventure of 2007. In that game, Boris Diaw and Amare Stoudamire left the bench, and were punished to the full extent of the rules, a suspension. This cost the Suns the series and their last chance at a championship. The fans/media were outraged that the NBA chose to enforce the rules on its star players. Because of instances like this (some before/some after), the NBA refs have chosen to back down and call less things and be more flexible for star players, and that is why the NBA is in such chaos today.

Bending rules + entertainment factor + caring too much about making money = current NBA situation.

I still love it though.




No, the refs haven't 'stolen' anything, we dropped it ourselves. Like I initially said, if we didn't play so sloppy that a ref could possibly interpret some action we do as a foul, then they wouldn't call it. This means barrel rolling over defenders, reaching in and not hitting the ball while going for a steal on defense, jumping on fakes and allowing players to jump into them, and so on/so forth. Their is no conspiracy to keep us out of the playoffs, but the refs are going to call what they think they see, not what they know they see. If they think their is a chance something happened, they will call it. You may have a point that they do not respect us, and do not give us the benefit of the doubt, but they do have reasons for what they do.I agree and disagree. First off the refs do effect a teams momentum by making terrible calls against them. Also when certain players gets special treatment it makes whoever guards that player play softer so as not to get some cheap foul that wasn't a foul. Now with that said if the team plays sound fundamental basketball and does not let the referees influence their effort or solid play they can overcome some of those bad calls. I don't think we lost because of poor calls but because of our lack of discipline and cohesion as a result of poor calls. The calls themselves don't usually effect the outcome of games. The players response to poor calls does. That comes with maturity and the best teams in the league were not always such. They had to force the referees to respect them by playing through bad calls and winning in spite of them. Plus as much as I hate the superstar rules I also realize that if the Bobcats had a star or superstar on the team I would not bitch about his and the teams special treatment. Our players can't control the referees but they can change how they react and play when up against the added opponent known as a referee. Excuses aren't afforded losers. You either play your ass off and win or you don't.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I look at this in the exact opposite way. This was not about enforcing the rules, it was about extending the reach of the rule well beyond what was intended. The outrage was not about the enforcement, it was about the ludicrous use of the rule to punish Phoenix.

Blaming media and fan pressure for the current star system is a red herring. The NBA screwed up the 2006 NBA Finals by giving Dwyane Wade unprecedented respect and that has set the tone for officiating the "stars" of the league ever since.I hate to say but the referees of the NBA have been giving star treatment to certain star and superstar players as far back as I remember. I am 37 so that would be the 80's on up. Our very own MJ as great as he was had many moments where the referees just elevated his status as the greatest. MJ did not need help but he did get it. What tends to end referees giving special treatment to players and teams is a lunch bucket brigade attitude, hitting big shots and playing sound fundamental basketball. Referees tend to look to see how their decisions effect the team. If the team starts losing momentum and playing out of character they are easy victims. The best way to get calls in your favor is to avoid falling apart from not getting them in your favor. Play through adversity. Even the Kobe Bryants and Lebron Jameses of the NBA get some bad calls against them. They go out and take it out on the opposition. The Bobcats need to have bad calls light a fire under their asses. That is what separates the best players and teams from the others.

[Ampsportsduo]

I hate to say but the referees of the NBA have been giving star treatment to certain star and superstar players as far back as I remember.

Jordan was treated favorably, but never to the degree of the current King.

From Sam Smith's April 6th article (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith2_090406.html) on Bulls.com:

"We always joke about stars getting all the calls, and we heard plenty of this in Chicago in Michael Jordan's era. Now, I'm not saying there's some sort of conspiracy. But James may well be the most protected star we've ever seen."

"James is now averaging 2.02 fouls per game in his career and has fouled out just three times in six seasons. Jordan averaged 2.6 fouls per game in his career and had fouled out eight times in his first six seasons. Jordan averaged fewer than two fouls per game only in his last two seasons when he was not as active as a defender, and never as few as James' current 1.72. Among some of the great perimeter players in history, at a time when substantially more perimeter contact was allowed, Larry Bird averaged about 2.5 fouls, Magic Johnson 2.26 and Jerry West and Oscar Robertson well above two per game."

[BETCATS]

Jordan was treated favorably, but never to the degree of the current King.

From Sam Smith's April 6th article (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith2_090406.html) on Bulls.com:

"We always joke about stars getting all the calls, and we heard plenty of this in Chicago in Michael Jordan's era. Now, I'm not saying there's some sort of conspiracy. But James may well be the most protected star we've ever seen."

"James is now averaging 2.02 fouls per game in his career and has fouled out just three times in six seasons. Jordan averaged 2.6 fouls per game in his career and had fouled out eight times in his first six seasons. Jordan averaged fewer than two fouls per game only in his last two seasons when he was not as active as a defender, and never as few as James' current 1.72. Among some of the great perimeter players in history, at a time when substantially more perimeter contact was allowed, Larry Bird averaged about 2.5 fouls, Magic Johnson 2.26 and Jerry West and Oscar Robertson well above two per game."

I can agree new school star players get more slack from the ref than old school ones, but lets not forget Wilt Chamberlin never fouled out of a game in his ENTIRE career. If that is crazy, i dont know what is.