So where do we go from here.....

[walkerl]

Now that the season is finally over, where do we go from here. What do you guys want to see happen in the off season? There are 10 things that I would like to see happen in the off season in no particular order.

1. Resign Sean May, I know, I know, but I think he can be a solid contributor off the bench. And offensively, he is the 2nd best big man this team has.

2. Keep Dontelle Jefferson, he seems more "NBA Ready" than Martin. A nice spark off the bench as well. And because of this, let Cartier go.

3. Work on the offensive games of Emeka & Diop. Let them learn one move each and learn it well, and work on there hands. They both play as if they have mittens on!!!

4. Do not resign Raymond Felton. I know this may cause the most controversy, but I don't believe he gives this team enough to warrant what his asking price will be.

5. Find Raja a backup or better yet, someone to compete for the starting SG job.

6. Get Nazr out of here!!! Find someway to get his contract off the books.

7. Get 10-15lbs of muscle on Aljinca so he can contribute next year off the bench.

8. We can keep Howard, if we have an extra roster spot for the veteran tutor-ledge and leadership.

9. Get rid of that damn Jumper Classic or move it to the allstar break.

10. Have Wallace work on his mid range jumper.

Feel free to add more

[WAM9]

You've summarized a very successful off-season. A couple of random thoughts...

I agree with May. I think we should be able to resign him for a very reasonable amount. Call me crazy as well but I think he just might end up contributing next season.

I like Jefferson as well but I'm just not sure where the roster spots will come from. We have 3 draft picks and at least 1 free agent to bring in. Not sure if there will be room for him, or Juwan Howard or that matter either.

If anyone can improve Emeka's offensive game, they should be hired immediately. Same thought for adding 15 pounds to Ajinca.

Finding someone to compete with Raja at the 2 spot would be ideal. Maybe in the draft, maybe a free agent...

Nazr going away would be nice...not sure how it would happen though.

The main thing I disagree with though is Felton. I have no desire to let him go. I know this is a hot topic here but I just don't see how we could improve over what he brings. He has also improved under Brown's leadership and I think he has plenty of room to continue to get better. Think about the point guard position, many times it takes several years for guys to maximize their potential. Unless we can get CP3, Deron, Tony Parker or maybe Devin Harris (obviously unlikely) then I think we could do much worse than Raymond.

Overall though, I think we have way fewer holes to fill this offseason than any previous one. Playoffs in 2010 for sure!

[gforce33]

Wallace need to shot more mid range:biggrin:
and over 20.0 points per games:biggrin:
FGA over 14
now his FGA only 11.4 , i think that is not enough...
c'mon gw:cool:

[walkerl]

You've summarized a very successful off-season. A couple of random thoughts...

I agree with May. I think we should be able to resign him for a very reasonable amount. Call me crazy as well but I think he just might end up contributing next season.

I like Jefferson as well but I'm just not sure where the roster spots will come from. We have 3 draft picks and at least 1 free agent to bring in. Not sure if there will be room for him, or Juwan Howard or that matter either.

If anyone can improve Emeka's offensive game, they should be hired immediately. Same thought for adding 15 pounds to Ajinca.

Finding someone to compete with Raja at the 2 spot would be ideal. Maybe in the draft, maybe a free agent...

Nazr going away would be nice...not sure how it would happen though.

The main thing I disagree with though is Felton. I have no desire to let him go. I know this is a hot topic here but I just don't see how we could improve over what he brings. He has also improved under Brown's leadership and I think he has plenty of room to continue to get better. Think about the point guard position, many times it takes several years for guys to maximize their potential. Unless we can get CP3, Deron, Tony Parker or maybe Devin Harris (obviously unlikely) then I think we could do much worse than Raymond.

Overall though, I think we have way fewer holes to fill this offseason than any previous one. Playoffs in 2010 for sure!

The thing that bothers me about Felton is what I like to call "unforced errors" ( I know it's a Tennis Term), but If I had a dollar for every time I saw Felton dribble it off his foot, throw a pass to a spot where no one is standing, I would be a rich man. In my opinion he is a backup PG, nothing more, nothing less. I may get flamed for this, but IMO Brevin Knight was better at the PG spot than Felton. He gave you more assist and fewer turnovers. BK never shot the ball as much as Felton either, Felton is 33rd is shot attempts, which is bad considering how poorly he shoots the ball.

[WAM9]

The thing that bothers me about Felton is what I like to call "unforced errors" ( I know it's a Tennis Term), but If I had a dollar for every time I saw Felton dribble it off his foot, throw a pass to a spot where no one is standing, I would be a rich man. In my opinion he is a backup PG, nothing more, nothing less. I may get flamed for this, but IMO Brevin Knight was better at the PG spot than Felton. He gave you more assist and fewer turnovers. BK never shot the ball as much as Felton either, Felton is 33rd is shot attempts, which is bad considering how poorly he shoots the ball.

I understand your points. I do think that Brevin was a better passer and had less turnovers but I also think he was way more conservative. I also don't think that he could penetrate and dish nearly as well as Felton. I actually liked Brevin a lot but long term, Felton has more potential IMO. I also think Felton plays significantly better defense than Brevin did (some due to his size).

I don't really like all of Felton's attempts either and his shooting % needs to improve but, how many point guards in the league are better? Clearly the elite guys are but after that, how many really give their teams a better chance to win than Raymond.

Also, people constantly hammer guys like Emeka saying his effort isn't there on a nightly basis. That's one thing you can't say about Raymond, he gives 100% every second he is on the floor. When he and Raja are on the floor together, I can't think of another backcourt duo who puts out as much effort as they do.

[teej]

Also, people constantly hammer guys like Emeka saying his effort isn't there on a nightly basis. That's one thing you can't say about Raymond, he gives 100% every second he is on the floor. When he and Raja are on the floor together, I can't think of another backcourt duo who puts out as much effort as they do.

Exactly. And he has improved his overall game under LB. What you guys don't understand is he's had 3 coaches ask him to do 3 things in 3 years. He was a combo guard, then a 2 guard, now he's finally a point guard getting real coaching. I think he'll continue to improve, and as long as we get a reasonable price, we need to keep him. I like Bill Simmons comparison to him of the next Chauncey Billups. And I don't think ANY of us would mind that, would we? :biggrin:

[TheBeagle]

Bring back Kyle Weaver! Depending on what is done with the 2nd rounder we got in exchange for him, that was Larry's only faux pas this year. Very happy to see he got some action in the second half of the season and produced when he got the minutes.

I'd really like to see how he'd turn out with some tutledge from Raja...

Other than that, I agree with all of walkerl's sentiments except #s 2 and 4 with qualifiers:

2. We need better talent than either Martin or Jefferson, though I do agree if one HAS to come back, it whould be Jefferson.

4. It depends on the asking price. If it's really high, I'm with you. If it's reasonable (which I think it will be) I say go for it, then we'll have a potentially great trading asset in Raymond if DJ proves he's got it.

[Demon DeaCat]

First time poster. Love the site and the insight you guys provide. Here's my .02 on what should happen.

1) re-sign Felton for 5yr/$40 mil.
1a.) if he gets greedy, try to work a sign and trade for Crawford
2) assuming we keep Felton, sign Iverson to a MLE
3) swap this year's draft pick for a future one. With a weak draft, this would be the year to forego that pick, plus, if #1 and #2 happen we'd be right at the luxury tax limit if not slightly over so we couldn't afford to pay a draft pick anyway.
4) deal Nazr, but only if we can find someone dumb enough or desperate enough to take him off our hands for an expiring (probably won't happen). Otherwise, wait it out one more year and he'll be valuable trade bait this time next year as an expiring.
5) if 1 and 2 happen, gotta let May walk. If not, go ahead and QO him for a one year audition. If he can help us, great. If not he's more cap space or trade bait.

[spectre]

Just playing around here...

Taking into account Nazr wanting out, our need of depth at the 2 and some wanting a "go to" scorer I threw together a possible scenario.

I don't even know that I'd do it, so keep that in mind with this idea.

Salary taken from Tam's thread & Sham Sports.

Total guaranteed: 56,959,260

Trade DJ/Nazr for Stackhouse/Wright
Stack is only guaranteed 2 million...we buy him out. This gives us a savings of 5,040,680.

Draft Ty Lawson at 12th...salary 1,630,900

Trade our 2 2nds for a late 1st, draft Hansbrough...salary approx. 850,000

Re-sign Felton...3 yrs, 21.6* (6, 7.2, 8.4)
Re-sign May...2 yrs, 2 million (2nd player option)
Pick up Singletary's option...1 yr, 736,400
Re-sign Howard @ vet min...586,457
Sign AI for the MLE...aprox. 5,800,000

Final Roster:

Felton/Lawson/Singletary
AI/Bell/Wright
Crash/Vlad
Boris/May/Hansbrough/Howard
Mek/Diop/Ajinca

Total salary: 68,521,757

Basically, we add AI, replace DJ with Lawson, pick up Wright & Hansbrough, get rid of Nazr and keep everyone else while only growing our salary as it stands right now by 1.6 million.

*Edited to fix Felton's total salary.

[TOOT DADDY]

Trade D.J. and Naz to the Mavericks? I'm sure they both would love for that to happen immediately. Felton 5yrs/40 million you got to be kidding me he should get the same money as Jameer Nelson nothing more. The most valuable players to the bobcats may only be able to start on a handful of teams. So why not trade some of these stars(only in charlotte) from Charlotte to for a true star. Trade Okafor or Gerald Wallace with someone else so the franchise can get someone clutch. Rasheed Wallace anyone? He did win a championship with L.B.

[BETCATS]

i am guessing everyone thinks that because Felton played poorly in the last 15 games of the season, he suddenly is not good? Felton is not Chris Paul, but a Point Guard as talented as he is is not a common thing. This guy was extremely clutch for us, and means a lot to our team. See the middle part of the season for proof. And wasnt he suffering from back spasms at the end of the year anyway? His poor play definatly could not be influcened by that... :rolleyes:

[walkerl]

i am guessing everyone thinks that because Felton played poorly in the last 15 games of the season, he suddenly is not good?

LMAO, Felton only played well in about 15 games this season!!! You don't shooting percentage doesn't drop to 40% because of 15 bad games. The only thing Felton did great IMO is shoot FT's. He still turns the ball over too much, and takes to many shots for such a poor shooter.

[walkerl]

Raymond is a career 39% shooter!!!!, he is not going to get any better. Time for him to go

[SWedd523]

Trade D.J. and Naz to the Mavericks? I'm sure they both would love for that to happen immediately. Felton 5yrs/40 million you got to be kidding me he should get the same money as Jameer Nelson nothing more. The most valuable players to the bobcats may only be able to start on a handful of teams. So why not trade some of these stars(only in charlotte) from Charlotte to for a true star. Trade Okafor or Gerald Wallace with someone else so the franchise can get someone clutch. Rasheed Wallace anyone? He did win a championship with L.B.
Wonderful idea Poop Puppy. Let's trade Crash and someone else for Rasheed Wallace!

I mean what, he's only 57 right? Sure all he does is camp the three point line and barely rebound anymore. Sure he doesn't play any defense anymore and has roughly the same field goal % as Felton. :g:

[dav7z]

Just playing around here...

Taking into account Nazr wanting out, our need of depth at the 2 and some wanting a "go to" scorer I threw together a possible scenario.

I don't even know that I'd do it, so keep that in mind with this idea.

Salary taken from Tam's thread & Sham Sports.

Total guaranteed: 56,959,260

Trade DJ/Nazr for Stackhouse/Wright
Stack is only guaranteed 2 million...we buy him out. This gives us a savings of 5,040,680.

Draft Ty Lawson at 12th...salary 1,630,900

Trade our 2 2nds for a late 1st, draft Hansbrough...salary approx. 850,000

Re-sign Felton...3 yrs, 20.4 (6, 7.2, 8.4)
Re-sign May...2 yrs, 2 million (2nd player option)
Pick up Singletary's option...1 yr, 736,400
Re-sign Howard @ vet min...586,457
Sign AI for the MLE...aprox. 5,800,000

Final Roster:

Felton/Lawson/Singletary
AI/Bell/Wright
Crash/Vlad
Boris/May/Hansbrough/Howard
Mek/Diop/Ajinca

Total salary: 68,521,757

Basically, we add AI, replace DJ with Lawson, pick up Wright & Hansbrough, get rid of Nazr and keep everyone else while only growing our salary as it stands right now by only 1.6 million.


Spectra , You have some nice ideas as far as being realistic and showed lots of flexability. Im sure your idea is not set in stone but in general moves the team could make.
DJ might have to be added to Nazz to pick up a nice player . Lawson only if a smart trade is made to pick up a star type player.
I don't like the signing or useing cap money for May at all . I like May even less if we signed Hansborough. Even if we made ever move advove i would prefer to sign another vetran or rookie S/F just to balance the roster.
So im not for keeping May if we pick up any P/F any kind of way.

All so i would kinda like to do the same as you about a star . But would like Crawford better than AI. I really don't know a Nazz , DJ value should be.

[walkerl]

Spectra , You have some nice ideas as far as being realistic and showed lots of flexability. Im sure your idea is not set in stone but in general moves the team could make.
DJ might have to be added to Nazz to pick up a nice player . Lawson only if a smart trade is made to pick up a star type player.
I don't like the signing or useing cap money for May at all . I like May even less if we signed Hansborough. Even if we made ever move advove i would prefer to sign another vetran or rookie S/F just to balance the roster.
So im not for keeping May if we pick up any P/F any kind of way.

All so i would kinda like to do the same as you about a star . But would like Crawford better than AI. I really don't know a Nazz , DJ value should be.

DJ is the future, this kid will be an ALLSTAR in 3 seasons, all he needs to do is improve on his defense and get starter minutes.

[walkerl]

NO Iverson, Iverson does not make anyone better, he doesn't make his team better. When he was at Denver, they were barely in the playoff picture, he goes to Detroit and they fall hard and barely make the playoffs.

[SWedd523]

DJ is the future, this kid will be an ALLSTAR in 3 seasons, all he needs to do is improve on his defense and get starter minutes.
You do understand your bias' and favoritism keep you from making logical statements, right?

[walkerl]

What Bias? I would take DJ over Felton any day of the week.

[amour217]

Disney World

[SWedd523]

I would take DJ over Felton any day of the week.
That bias.

[bing!]

Disney World
^ The King of non sequitur!

The front court (our 2nd front court unit, to be exact) is in dire need of some primping up (hopefully, May and Alexis will improve enough to contribute somewhat more than scraps in garbage time). I'd prefer if both D.J. and Raymond could stay, if not, I'd rather ditch Raymond.

[davcbow]

If we resign Felton you can bet your ass that he will be the starter. Until DJ starts out playing Felton on defense then you won't see a change. Remember LB is all about defense (Peroid). I'm not saying he won't ever but he isnt yet. He can already score better than Felton but he still makes rookie mistakes playing point and that too will come, no doubt he is going to be a great point someday.....

[teej]

I like the DJ repleaced by Lawson idea, Lawson hustles his ass off every minute, plays through pain, can finish at the bucket or nail you for a 3, and he is a fan favorite. But what about DJ/Nazzy for Crawford instead, I'm not sure how the salaries work but I'm sure they'd love to get rid of him...

[SWedd523]

I like the DJ repleaced by Lawson idea, Lawson hustles his ass off every minute, plays through pain, can finish at the bucket or nail you for a 3, and he is a fan favorite. But what about DJ/Nazzy for Crawford instead, I'm not sure how the salaries work but I'm sure they'd love to get rid of him...
I dunno if they'd do it with Monta there....

They don't seem to be very happy with him though, so they might be willing to trade him as well (I'd rather have Monta, but I'd definitely love to have Jamal).

[b-nukle]

Jamal Crawford is going to be a free agent. Golden State wants him to exercise his Early Termination Option.

[WAM9]

The most valuable players to the bobcats may only be able to start on a handful of teams.

Completely untrue...

Felton would start on over half of NBA teams.

Raja...Let's see...did he start for Phoenix (a powerhouse Western conference team over the past couple of years? I'm sure many, many teams would love to have him.

Gerald...How many teams WOULDN'T find room for him?

Diaw...Again, he would start for an awful lot of NBA teams, especially based upon his ability to play multiple positions. Phoenix used him a lot as a starter in previous years and he has started 269 games overall in his career. You're right, he must be pitiful.

Okafor...This arguement has been had over and over about Okafor but I believe he is better than 2/3rds of NBA centers and would be able to play PF also.

You're statement about our starters not being able to play elsewhere is false.

[dav7z]

What Bias? I would take DJ over Felton any day of the week.

Please i don't want to turn this in to another let Felton go or trade Felton thread.
I was just talking in general about REALISTIC moves the team could make , pick up a star, and get better. I just feel DJ with a low contract along with Nazz has better chances of neting us a star than Felton would. Felts would require much more money in a sign and trade . And with hard times i see a DJ as trade bait to teams who need a proven point on the cheap.
I think who goes if either comes down to Larry Brown.
As for May i would prefer Hansborough at a cheaper price. Alexas could and should fall in to the pitcure next season all so .

I all so feel some one like Crawford would fit much better than AI mostly because of age. Though i wouldn't be opposed to any type shooting guard star . But prefer one not sliding down hill fast.



But i think all the team is going to do is keep both points.
Draft either Curry or Ellington trade up draft Hansborough. Trade Nazz for another bad contract hoping we get some one who can contribute.
Release May and save that three million.
Sign Felton to five or six years at seven million per year. Have a feeling Felton will take that quickly. He seems to love Charlotte and contracts are not going to be good to players this off season.
Release Howard and replace him with a rookie contract in another cost cutting measure.
Some one like a Danny Green or a summer league player.
One thing ill bet payrole all toghter will not go up MUCH IF ANY at all.

[dav7z]

What Bias? I would take DJ over Felton any day of the week.

Please i don't want to turn this in to another let Felton go or trade Felton thread.
I was just talking in general about REALISTIC moves the team could make , pick up a star, and get better. I just feel DJ with a low contract along with Nazz has better chances of neting us a star than Felton would. Felts would require much more money in a sign and trade . And with hard times i see a DJ as trade bait to teams who need a proven point on the cheap.
I think who goes if either comes down to Larry Brown.
As for May i would prefer Hansborough at a cheaper price. Alexas could and should fall in to the pitcure next season all so .

I all so feel some one like Crawford would fit much better than AI mostly because of age. Though i wouldn't be opposed to any type shooting guard star . But prefer one not sliding down hill fast.



But i think all the team is going to do is keep both points.
Draft either Curry or Ellington trade up draft Hansborough. Trade Nazz for another bad contract hoping we get some one who can contribute.
Release May and save that three million.
Sign Felton to five or six years at seven million per year. Have a feeling Felton will take that quickly. He seems to love Charlotte and contracts are not going to be good to players this off season.
Release Howard and replace him with a rookie contract in another cost cutting measure.
Some one like a Danny Green or a summer league player.
One thing ill bet payrole all toghter will not go up MUCH IF ANY at all.

[teej]

Please i don't want to turn this in to another let Felton go or trade Felton thread.
I was just talking in general about REALISTIC moves the team could make , pick up a star, and get better. I just feel DJ with a low contract along with Nazz has better chances of neting us a star than Felton would. Felts would require much more money in a sign and trade . And with hard times i see a DJ as trade bait to teams who need a proven point on the cheap.
I think who goes if either comes down to Larry Brown.
As for May i would prefer Hansborough at a cheaper price. Alexas could and should fall in to the pitcure next season all so .

I all so feel some one like Crawford would fit much better than AI mostly because of age. Though i wouldn't be opposed to any type shooting guard star . But prefer one not sliding down hill fast.



But i think all the team is going to do is keep both points.
Draft either Curry or Ellington trade up draft Hansborough. Trade Nazz for another bad contract hoping we get some one who can contribute.
Release May and save that three million.
Sign Felton to five or six years at seven million per year. Have a feeling Felton will take that quickly. He seems to love Charlotte and contracts are not going to be good to players this off season.
Release Howard and replace him with a rookie contract in another cost cutting measure.
Some one like a Danny Green or a summer league player.
One thing ill bet payrole all toghter will not go up MUCH IF ANY at all.

Juwan is cheaper to us because the league picks up most of the veteran minimum, so it's a cost RAISING measure. Keep him, he's a good veteran leader...I don't like hansbrough, although he would get to the line and thats something we need desperately. Ellington and Curry both I like, but if we could package our picks to move up for James Harden thats better...

[mrtarheel]

PG
We keep Felts for about 4yr/32mil, that being said if Dj is going to be the man he should by then have shown us something and in the third year of Felts contract we can trade him then.

SG
Sg we should look at in the offseason
Crawford--he can play sg and also pg which allows us to not to have to take on 3 pgs next year
McCants--He would come cheapear than some and can score
AI--Can score but really isn't team, and is also getting old
Martell Webster--Portland may want to get rid of him because they have succeeded without him and have cheap players to replace him. (They could use Nazr)
Morris Almond--At 6"6' he was a lights out scorer in the DLeague and with two years under his belt in Utah he might be ready for a break out year
Gerald Green--Tons of potential but can he put it together (could come the cheapest)

SF
Get us a serviceable backup at sf, someone who can replace Wallace when he gets hurt from time to time. Radman is fine but we need someone more athletic

PF
Resign May on a 2yr/1.5mil with a team opt for the second year allowing us to trade him at the deadline if he is not playing well and resign him in the next year if he plays well enough. Go after Charlie V this offseason. Either Him or Frye need to be here next year.

C
Bring in a scoring Big Man, someone opposite of Oakafor

[walkerl]

.
Sign Felton to five or six years at seven million per year.

Are you insane, FIVE or SIX YEARS, you have to be kidding. 5 or 6 years for a marginal point guard would be worst that the Okafor Deal. I believe you said that. Yes, Felton is better than some PG's (bench guys) in the league, but he is one of the worst starting PG's around.

[teej]

Are you insane, FIVE or SIX YEARS, you have to be kidding. 5 or 6 years for a marginal point guard would be worst that the Okafor Deal. I believe you said that. Yes, Felton is better than some PG's (bench guys) in the league, but he is one of the worst starting PG's around.

he is worse than paul, billups, the Baron, Devin Harris MAYBE, Bibby maybe, Jameer Nelson, Arenas, Deron Williams, and nash...thats about it...who else?

[SWedd523]

he is worse than paul, billups, the Baron, Devin Harris MAYBE, Bibby maybe, Jameer Nelson, Arenas, Deron Williams, and nash...thats about it...who else?


BOLD= no
UNDERLINE= tie

[teej]

no, the Baron is better...I gotta disagree

I was maybe on Bibby, I was gonna give it to him for arguments sake, but I wouldnt take him if I was starting a team. Nash is still better, but he's older, so its closer.

Nelson is a different kind of player, so its hard to compare, but I'd rather have him from an on-the-court standpoint...off the court, Felts is a helluva lot better fit here.

[SWedd523]

no, the Baron is better...I gotta disagree

I was maybe on Bibby, I was gonna give it to him for arguments sake, but I wouldnt take him if I was starting a team. Nash is still better, but he's older, so its closer.

Nelson is a different kind of player, so its hard to compare, but I'd rather have him from an on-the-court standpoint...off the court, Felts is a helluva lot better fit here.

15ppg
8apg
2spg
.370% FG
.757% FT

vs

14ppg
7apg
2spg
.408% FG
.805% FT

Not to mention the fact that Felton plays in one of the NBA's slowest offenses while the Clips.. don't. Add in the fact that Felton is 6 years younger and is making millions less--I'd say he's better

[teej]

Baron had an off year, he was the only one giving any sort of effort and he got subbed in and out in the strangest times, the plays were wack, and that whole system is wack. Before he got there, he was a premier PG, and was paid accordingly. And he got screwed over by his "friend" Elton Brand...he wants to be traded (who in LAC doesnt?), and if he is, he'll make those numbers better.

But I'd still take him over Felton.

[bing!]

I'd say that his sudden drop in production has more to do with his milieu rather than his age-dulled skills... how did this argument even start?

[walkerl]

he is worse than paul, billups, the Baron, Devin Harris MAYBE, Bibby maybe, Jameer Nelson, Arenas, Deron Williams, and nash...thats about it...who else?

Who else? How about Mo Williams, Rajon Rondo, Rose, Tony Parker, Jose Calderon,Andre Miller.. Thats half the league

[SWedd523]

Who else? How about Mo Williams, Rajon Rondo, Rose, Tony Parker, Jose Calderon, Andre Miller.. Thats half the league


BOLD = NO


and Miller maybe, but he's at the extreme tail end of his career

[teej]

He's comparable with Rose, too. Eventually Rose will be better, but not now necessarily...

[dnbman]

I don't think arguing where he fits on a list of names is really that important. With the exception of a few elite guys, most of the starting caliber guys are pretty close, with slightly better and worse skills.

What is important to me is whether he's a starting caliber point guard for a good team. I think he's on the cusp of that. He showed a lot of talent and more consistent play this year. However, he needs to be a bit more consistent, which I think he will be with a full team training with Brown this off season.

[BRNC]

I still think it will be hard for us to keep Ray...there is no Rose (Rubio may be good but is not Rose) in this years draft...I think Ray will appeal to many teams that need a PG and they will take a chance that he can be signed cheaper than many PGs are now being paid...we have to match or sign and trade...but cheap for other teams might be too rich for us since we're not in great cap shape...

[walkerl]

So Allstar Mo Williams, is inferior to Felton? Thats funnny, your last name has to be Felton.

[dnbman]

So Allstar Mo Williams, is inferior to Felton? Thats funnny, your last name has to be Felton.

They're pretty comparable as far as what they bring to the table. Mo is a better scorer. Felton is a better distributor.

When you play with Lebron, you get a few perks.

[kickazzz2000]

Baron had an off year, he was the only one giving any sort of effort and he got subbed in and out in the strangest times, the plays were wack, and that whole system is wack.

.........................

[dav7z]

Are you insane, FIVE or SIX YEARS, you have to be kidding. 5 or 6 years for a marginal point guard would be worst that the Okafor Deal. I believe you said that. Yes, Felton is better than some PG's (bench guys) in the league, but he is one of the worst starting PG's around.


All i wanted was this not to turn in to another how good is Felton thread . The site is full of that. But refelect on realistic moves the team could make and stay cost effective.


All so im not insane, keep , trade, realese, Felton the kid is going to get seven milion a year . I really don't think the kid getting seven million a year is insane. I think thinking he isn't is a little nieve. And don't have a good feel for NBA values.

[BRNC]

[quote=walkerl;125225]Are you insane

One of the reasons most of us joined this board is/was that it remains civil...another is we are all Bobcats fans...we do not all agree but we are civil to one another...insulting someones intelligence is not civil and it does not add any validity to a point you're trying to make...actually it detracts from it...we all need to agree to disagree at times but keep it civil because we all want the same thing...a good team and a good franchise...

[walkerl]

I didn't realize that we were so sensative. Asking him if he is "Insane" is not attacking him or insulting his intelligence.

And just like Okafor got overpaid, Felton will get overpaid as well. The market dictates players salary, But based on Feltons play he is not worth 7-8 mil a year, no matter how you look at it. 8 million a year for a career 39% shooter.... I wouldn't have a problem with him, if he didn't shoot so damn much. And I've noticed that when playing against a guard that is having a good game, he turns it into a 1 on 1 and shoot even worst.

[SWedd523]

The only thing that possibly insults my intelligence is the fact that walker seems to think Felton is an average to below average point guard when he's clearly not.

[dav7z]

I didn't realize that we were so sensative. Asking him if he is "Insane" is not attacking him or insulting his intelligence.

And just like Okafor got overpaid, Felton will get overpaid as well. The market dictates players salary, But based on Feltons play he is not worth 7-8 mil a year, no matter how you look at it. 8 million a year for a career 39% shooter.... I wouldn't have a problem with him, if he didn't shoot so damn much. And I've noticed that when playing against a guard that is having a good game, he turns it into a 1 on 1 and shoot even worst.


I have no problem at all . We just disagree on Feltons value . From your post you have to be a big DJ fan and i can understand why. DJ can flat out shoot the ball . But as much as you like DJ doesn't reflect at all on Feltons value.
Feltons value comes from playing great defence . And his great handles in trafic. He all so has a good eye to find the open man . Another thing is his toughness . Teams love a player who don't get hurt often. His leadership abilitys , By far his leader ship abilitys are the best on our team. Mek , Wallace, Diaw. none of them has that little extra like Felton does. Im not saying hes better than any of those three or even better than DJ shooting.It's the other things he brings to the table. Thats why he gets seven milion a year if not from us some one will go that for him in a second.
Consider Diop, Nazz, Vlad, all over six million none starters . Looking at what the league pays . Signing Felton at seven looks like a deal . Last i looked Felts was ranked in the top 60 players in the league .
Lets say you signing him . And you want him on your team bad. Do you consider leting him walk to Atlanta over a seven million dollar offer from them . Do you let him walk and get nothing in return. Or do you match the offer?

[walkerl]

IMO Felton is one of the toughess guys in the league. I'm not disputing that, his leadership ability or his desire to win. I just wish he would shoot less and pass more. I love to see a game when felton has taken 12 or fewer shots. I get so sick of seeing 3-17, 4-15, etc, etc shooting nights. But based on market value and the way this league works, he will get 7-9 million dollars, I understand this, but when I base what he has done over the last 4 season, I do not believe he desearves a 100% pay raise. I would not like to lose him for nothing, but I can't see signing him to a 5 year deal either.

[davcbow]

IMO Felton is one of the toughess guys in the league. I'm not disputing that, his leadership ability or his desire to win. I just wish he would shoot less and pass more.

I will just go along with whatever LB and MJ feels best with on resigning him, my only thing with him is I wish he could shoot at a higher % than he does when he does take a shot, also he does need to take less shots and pass more but that has a lot to do with the other 4 guys being able to get open in time before he has to put up a last second shot...:cool:

[dav7z]

I will just go along with whatever LB and MJ feels best with on resigning him, my only thing with him is I wish he could shoot at a higher % than he does when he does take a shot, also he does need to take less shots and pass more but that has a lot to do with the other 4 guys being able to get open in time before he has to put up a last second shot...:cool:

I agree his % is way low. But i think Brown takes into consideration we have no one who can create on a consistant basis. If any one ever notices the team goes as Felton and Wallace goes. A consistant scorer who can create brings up Feltons % and makes Wallace have much more consistant scoring nights.
We have a solid top six players but no one who creates his own shot on a consistant basis .

[BRNC]

Well a sad/bad thing is I've seen too many of our players pass up open looks and Ray gets stuck with the ball and the clock is running down...I'm not sure if the blame is with the offensive system or the players or a combo...but one thing I wish Ray would cut out (not cut down) is in close games driving the lane, throwing (not shooting) the ball on the backboard and expecting to get a foul call...he does in so much he rarely gets a call...

The offense has to get better regardless of who the PG is running the team...we're lucky DJ has turned out to be a good shooter (not much D though) since he has had to score...go back to is it the offense or other players passing up shots?

[dav7z]

Well a sad/bad thing is I've seen too many of our players pass up open looks and Ray gets stuck with the ball and the clock is running down...I'm not sure if the blame is with the offensive system or the players or a combo...but one thing I wish Ray would cut out (not cut down) is in close games driving the lane, throwing (not shooting) the ball on the backboard and expecting to get a foul call...he does in so much he rarely gets a call...

The offense has to get better regardless of who the PG is running the team...we're lucky DJ has turned out to be a good shooter (not much D though) since he has had to score...go back to is it the offense or other players passing up shots?


I noticed Brown had Felton shooting a short floater more the 2nd half of the season . It really seemed to work for the most part .He all so had him shooting more midrange shots whitch he seemed to hit at a better clip . If Felton works on those to parts of his game his percentage should go up around 5%

Agreeded he still takes the ball to the hole too much looking for the foul . He has to go to the hole some to keep defences honest but he should look for his shot more than look for a foul.

[BRNC]

dav...I agree he needs to keep driving and defenses are collapsing on him...I wish he'd throw the ball out more to teammates for open looks...he's not doing that and that is my biggest complaint about Ray at the end of games...

[davcbow]

dav...I agree he needh better thiss to keep driving and defenses are collapsing on him...I wish he'd throw the ball out more to teammates for open looks...he's not doing that and that is my biggest complaint about Ray at the end of games...

I do say some of that is on Felton but not all of it. A lot of times there just isnt no one available to pass to and so Felton tries to get a score... Our team just needs to get more in tune with each other so we pass better and have less turn overs, I expect that part of our game to be much better next season....:cool:

[WAM9]

Agreeded he still takes the ball to the hole too much looking for the foul . He has to go to the hole some to keep defences honest but he should look for his shot more than look for a foul.


dav...I agree he needs to keep driving and defenses are collapsing on him...I wish he'd throw the ball out more to teammates for open looks...he's not doing that and that is my biggest complaint about Ray at the end of games...

I too wish he would learn how to utilize that great driving ability to simply draw the D then give it up to a baseline guy for an easy one or kick it out for a spot up jumper. He can put a lot of pressure on a defense with that driving ability...he just has to learn how to harness it a little smarter. I think this will occur under Larry Brown.