View Full Version : How can we fix our team?
mrtarheel
05-25-2009, 09:14 PM
I have read post about trading Raja all the way to Gana is better than Oden. How can we realistically thru trades, draft and free agency get our team to the playoffs next season? Some may think it is realistic but in reason and how to get it done.
I have read post about trading Raja all the way to Gana is better than Oden. How can we realistically thru trades, draft and free agency get our team to the playoffs next season? Some may think it is realistic but in reason and how to get it done.
This team as is can make the playoffs.
That being said, to get a better seed, we need to upgrade the 2 and 4 depth, and other than that, barring a dramtic change, which knowing Larry brown is always possible, not too much. Look in the Draft threads for possible picks, and as for free agents and trades, well, who knows right now until we know everyone that's on the market. But Anthony Parker (UFA), Marquis Daniels (UFA I think?), Morris Peterson (trade), Jamal Crawford (trade), or AI (UFA)
mrtarheel
05-25-2009, 09:45 PM
I read on i think realgm board that a trade for Nazr and Mo Pete was being discussed.(only on the realgm board not the teams) I think if we could trade Nazr and one of our seconds we could get Mo Pete and Julian Wright as they are looking to cut money. The second pick wouldn't be guaranteed and they could get a player that is overseas. Dahtay Jones, Marquies Daniels, Gerald Green and Anthony Parker are all interesting pieces at the sg position. I think we draft Earl Clark if avaliable and then package Diop the other second pick and Radman for a Center.
Chrystos
05-25-2009, 10:01 PM
I have read post about trading Raja all the way to Gana is better than Oden. How can we realistically thru trades, draft and free agency get our team to the playoffs next season? Some may think it is realistic but in reason and how to get it done.
I think Ron Artest is perfect for us now that he is a Free Agent. Isn't Bosh a free agent also?
I think Ron Artest is perfect for us now that he is a Free Agent. Isn't Bosh a free agent also?
We don't have cap room. I don't know if you know about the CBA and the Salary Cap, but we're well over it.
SirBobcat
05-28-2009, 04:55 PM
We can only offer the Mid Level Exception (if I am correct).
There's what they need to do and what they'll actually do. This team isn't going to make moves galore with Bob Johnson wanting to sell the team.
Here's what I think will happen:
#12: Draft a SG. Tyreke Evans or Gerald Henderson make sense.
2nd round: AJ Price and then a project.
Felton traded for a starting caliber PF
I think this team will be much better if they find starters SG and PF positions so that Diaw and Bell (Who have great chemistry together) can provide a huge burst off the bench.
Demon DeaCat
05-29-2009, 11:31 AM
Diaw's not a starting caliber PF? He was our second leading scorer, best playmaker, and probably had as much to do with our transformation into a competitive team as any one guy.
I'm all for signing a FA to the MLE, but I don't see anyone in the draft helping us a whole lot. I'd rather trade the pick and not take on the extra salary. No way are we exceeding the luxury tax with a pending change in ownership and I worry that signing an MLE and a draft pick might put us over.
dav7z
05-29-2009, 12:43 PM
Diaw's not a starting caliber PF? He was our second leading scorer, best playmaker, and probably had as much to do with our transformation into a competitive team as any one guy.
I'm all for signing a FA to the MLE, but I don't see anyone in the draft helping us a whole lot. I'd rather trade the pick and not take on the extra salary. No way are we exceeding the luxury tax with a pending change in ownership and I worry that signing an MLE and a draft pick might put us over.
Welcome to Bobcatsplanet, I agree and think Larry trys to land a scorer , Somthing like the DJ and Nazz for Crawford thing . All ready been discused . But i can see Brown making some type move to get a scorer .
SirBobcat
05-29-2009, 08:53 PM
Diaw's not a starting caliber PF? He was our second leading scorer, best playmaker, and probably had as much to do with our transformation into a competitive team as any one guy.
I'm all for signing a FA to the MLE, but I don't see anyone in the draft helping us a whole lot. I'd rather trade the pick and not take on the extra salary. No way are we exceeding the luxury tax with a pending change in ownership and I worry that signing an MLE and a draft pick might put us over.
Why does everyone do that? You do know the game is deeper than the starting 5? If you can bring Diaw and Bell off the bench, then that will be a tremendous boost for the team as the production doesn't truly ever leave the court at any time. It most definitely wasn't a knock on Diaw, but rather a plan to make this team more effective thus giving Diaw a big compliment.
Why does everyone do that? You do know the game is deeper than the starting 5? If you can bring Diaw and Bell off the bench, then that will be a tremendous boost for the team as the production doesn't truly ever leave the court at any time. It most definitely wasn't a knock on Diaw, but rather a plan to make this team more effective thus giving Diaw a big compliment.
But in Larry Brown's system, the bench doesn't play very much, so he wouldn't be a factor. If Diaw isn't a starter, then the offense stagnates and we lose our lineup advantages. It's as simple as that. He's our second most valuable player.
mrtarheel
05-31-2009, 11:33 AM
What about we draft G Henderson in the draft, trade Nazr staight up or our last second rd pick to NO for Mo Pete trying for Julian Wright. (probably not going to happen but it won't hurt to try ending up with just Mo Pete) Then package Radman and the other pick to Pritchard the Wiz in Portland for a sign and trade of Frye and Outlaw. Frye and Outlaw are to count about 8.5 mill where Radman is only 6mill. saving them about 2.5 mill to sign another player. Line ups
Felt, Dj, Jefferson
Bell, Henderson, Mo Pete
Wallace, Outlaw, (Wright)
Diaw, Frye, Ajinca, May
Okafor, Diop
This gives us depth at every position. Outlaw comes in when G Force goes down with injury problems, we have versitle pfs but we are left alittle short at the Center position. But keep in mind Frye can play center. Maybe leave out Wright and go with a third string C since Mo Pete could play some 3 also.
That puts us at about 57 to 58 mill with out resigning Felts, Jefferson, and May. Felts for about 7mill, Jefferson for about 700,000 and May with a deal of about 2 mill leaves us at 67 mill. What is the luxury tax?
not a rhetorical question: do you think either of those trades will go through? we are clearly getting the best of both deals (even considering NO is probably on a fire sale).
no henderson at #12. in a draft of even moderate strength he is a late 1st rounder at best. i would rather have earl or blair at #12 or trade down and take budinger later in round 1.
SWedd523
05-31-2009, 01:10 PM
not a rhetorical question: do you think either of those trades will go through? we are clearly getting the best of both deals (even considering NO is probably on a fire sale).
no henderson at #12. in a draft of even moderate strength he is a late 1st rounder at best. i would rather have earl or blair at #12 or trade down and take budinger later in round 1.
Would you really take Blair?
He's only two inches taller than our starting SHOOTING GUARD. I really don't care what kind of length he has as it's just going to be on par with everyone else in the league.
Diaw is 6'8 and we call him small.
ExplosionsInTheSky
05-31-2009, 02:03 PM
Eh height is overrated it's all about whether you can ball.
he's a gamble, he will either be barkley-like or tractor traylor part deux. i think he will add toughness on the frontcourt which we need badly. aside from diop we are very soft down low. mek, diaw, howard are all soft. the other thing, you can't teach rebounding (to a certain extent) blair has a nose for the ball.
SWedd523
05-31-2009, 03:09 PM
he's a gamble, he will either be barkley-like or tractor traylor part deux. i think he will add toughness on the frontcourt which we need badly. aside from diop we are very soft down low. mek, diaw, howard are all soft. the other thing, you can't teach rebounding (to a certain extent) blair has a nose for the ball.
Then why don't we pick up Hansbrough later in the draft without having to waste a lottery pick?
polarcat
05-31-2009, 03:30 PM
i reeeeeeally hope blair is not a bobcat after draft night. it would send shivers of when may's name was called back through my spine. i'm hoping derozan is there, but most likely not. of the likely players, i'd prefer t.will, henderson or earl....in that order.
Then why don't we pick up Hansbrough later in the draft without having to waste a lottery pick?
because Hansbrough has absolutely no upside. he is and will always be a role player/energy guy. maybe 10-15 min per 6pts/3-4 rebs and 3-4 fouls. unless he is on a d'antoni team where his stats are inflated a'la marion or david lee.
like i said he is a gamble. he could be a 15-20 pt / 10-12 reb or could be hansbrough or could be a bust.
SWedd523
05-31-2009, 05:15 PM
because Hansbrough has absolutely no upside. he is and will always be a role player/energy guy. maybe 10-15 min per 6pts/3-4 rebs and 3-4 fouls. unless he is on a d'antoni team where his stats are inflated a'la marion or david lee.
like i said he is a gamble. he could be a 15-20 pt / 10-12 reb or could be hansbrough or could be a bust.
Hansbrough will be more than 6/3
i don't think he can score in the nba unless it is off a put back (and he is not a strong rebounder). he won't get to line like he did in college. i think 10/5 avg is his ceiling.
Demon DeaCat
05-31-2009, 07:25 PM
Why does everyone do that? You do know the game is deeper than the starting 5? If you can bring Diaw and Bell off the bench, then that will be a tremendous boost for the team as the production doesn't truly ever leave the court at any time. It most definitely wasn't a knock on Diaw, but rather a plan to make this team more effective thus giving Diaw a big compliment.
I hear you and I do get that depth is important, it's just that if we're looking to improve our depth, PF wouldn't be the place I'd start. Diaw has the most varied skill set of any guy on our roster and IMO, acquiring a more effective player than him via a trade would likely cost us more than we'd be willing to give up. And even though Vlad is more of a perimeter guy, he gives us productive minutes when asked to play the 4, plus we have Ajinca waiting in the wings. Not trying to pick a fight, just saying I'm pretty satisfied with our PF situation.
I'm with you on Bell though. I think finding a more suitable back-up or perhaps an upgrade at the SG spot is definitely where we need to focus our attention.
Ghost Kat
06-01-2009, 04:01 AM
With the 1st rd pick I'd be happy with either of the guy's from Louisville. Either fits one of this teams major needs. Both seem to have that tough worker mentally. Henderson keeps getting passed around as a lock for the Bobcats. The 2 & 4 are the biggest holes. Vlad can play both, but he's better suited for the 3 (literally). They will probably bring Sean May's fat ass back but i don't expect much from him. Maybe i'll become a fan like with Hollins. We have nothing at the back up SG. I hate seeing DJ and Felton on the floor at the same time. Felton is not a scorer and i think he gets in the way of DJ's chance to become a playmaker.
I honestly think we'll play Ajinca at the 5. He might be better suited at 4 but I've never seen them play him anywhere else but center. Diop is a reasonable back up for Okafor. Diaw is not a rebounding or low post threat every night. Hansbrough could be this teams Varejao if we choose to go that route. Either James Johnson or Earl Clark could also fill that hole. Even though we really need a SG i think this team will go big and hope for the best in the 2nd rd.
docend24
06-01-2009, 06:53 AM
Hollins played at center and Lexy at PF when they played together (by heart for example during that big comeback against Pistons - the very first Bobcat game for Raja and Boris).
On offense he is more PF than C. Has the range. But 5 or 4 those are just numbers.
ALuhrs704
06-01-2009, 01:22 PM
diaw is definitely going to be starting at the 4, and should be. the only player in the starting line up that even has a chance to come off the bench is raja, and thats not going to happen. felton is going to be resigned, and will start at point. hopefully we can get clark or williams from louisville (i am in love with both players for the bobcats), and then sign a backup 4. i dont see us signing a. parker at sg mainly because he is basically what we already have in raja. i dont know why ppl hate on raja, and i think a full season for this team will prove more than making drastic changes to the starting lineup
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