Draft Scenarios id like to see

[jazzer89]

Hello everyone, i am new to the site. I have tried to talk about the bobcats at other locations but nothing of substance ever happened at those locations so i decided to come here.

If we keep our pick I would like these players to be drafted.
Jordan Hill (stretch but you never know, i believe lopez was suppose to go in the top 5 last year but he dropped to 10)
Demar DeRozan (This guy has a very big upside pick but he is still very much unpolished. From what i have read this guy has turned down a lot of visits even the raptors at 9 so if this guys agent pushes some teams away he might drop, highly unlikely but you never know.)
Stephon Curry (This guy would be the booster shot in the arm on an offense that was dead last in the league. He will see fewer double teams then at the college level and therefore more offense. Think Jason Terry with this pick, the guy is so good in Dallas. With his home ties and star possibility i like Curry as the 12th pick)
Tyreke Evans (Once i saw this guy in the NCAA tourney i knew he was an amazing talent. He is so strong and has a great overall game. )
Gerald Henderson (Although he is a dookie (Carolina Fan/Student here) he is an athletic beast who has ties to Larry Brown back when they were both in Philly. Great Defensive player who could be a future stud in the league)

Those are the guys i would like, some are stretches but you never know guys can drop.

I think the draft is our best bet to get rid of Nazr. I see this happening in two ways. Either we A) package him with the 12th and move back or B) package him with Augustin and get a pick between 13-18.
If Option A occurs i would like us to move back just enough to grab Ellington, Budinger, Terrence Williams.
If Option B occurs i would only think this occurs if we get Curry. If this happens and we do indeed get a pick right after our 12th selection (Like maybe the Suns at 14, i think they would love Augustin) we could still grab a prospect like Henderson, Earl Clark or Blair.

This is all speculation of course but i would love to see any of the above happen. Remember that players will drop in this draft.

[docend24]

If we would move Nazr (which I am against cause his value will rise over a time) with a player (DJ in your example) I would like to get a pick in next draft instead (cause our own could and probably will go to Denver). For selfish reason, once after years czech talent could declare for the draft (Veselý, rated pretty high in his 90 intl. crop on DX) and I would like to keep a chance he would become a Bobcat alive. Draftexpress has him at No.19 next year so far, that can be our range. Not saying he would be that useful, he could develop in Europe further (gets enough minutes), on the other hand he could eventually fit for depth on F spots.

[dav7z]

Nice first post and welcome to Bobcatsplanet.
We have had threads about trading Nazz and DJ and or Bell for a scoring two guard
Nazz and DJ for Crawford has came up a dozen times. If we could pick up a scoring s/g that might change our draft choice quickly.
I would love for Evans to fall , Hill would be nice , DeRozan would all so be a nice pick up. Im sure Henderson is a worst case us drafting 12th whitch isn't bad.
All so trading down has been discused , Trading with the Grizz 12th for 18th and 28th
Then we looking at players like T, Williams and Ellington at 18 and players like Hansborough at 28th
This should be a insteresting off season . And could be the most important off season in team history. I look to see Brown continue to mix things up With a lot of off season moves.

[ohara831]

Welcome Jazzer89! Glad to have you here and look forward to reading more posts. It certainly will be interesting to see if we just stay put at #12 or if LB and MJ have something cooking. The options you mention are interesting and might be helpful, if the right players are available. I just saw so much potential in DJ his Rookie year that I am not sure LB wants to give him up in a trade for another pick. Ray improved this year, but some of that has to be because he knew DJ was drafted to "push" him, and he did. I'm kinda wary of trading DJ and then having Ray regress to his past self. After all, Ray will have a nice new fat Contract if he is here next year, and if DJ is gone, then the pressure is eased up. Kinda wary about that.

[jazzer89]

Here is my dream draft day scenario. We use the 12th and Wallace to move up and grab Curry. Then send DJ Augusin plus Nazr plus a 2nd to the Suns for the 14th and Barbosa. Use the 14th pick and grab Blair, Henderson, Earl Clark, or T Will. Let Felton walk because i dont think he will ever make this team elite. Use the money on not signing Felton plus the trade of Wallace to go out and get Ariza off the Lakers in FA. use the MLE on Sheed.

Here is the lineup

Curry Barbosa
Bell Henderson/ T Will
Ariza Radman/ Clark
Diaw Wallace/Ajinca
Okafor Diop


that is an awesome team and younger/better for the future the bench would depend on drafting and FAs but thats a hell of a lot better.
What do we have to lose?????

[bing!]

Here is my dream draft day scenario. We use the 12th and Wallace to move up and grab Curry. Then send DJ Augusin plus Nazr plus a 2nd to the Suns for the 14th and Barbosa. Use the 14th pick and grab Blair, Henderson, Earl Clark, or T Will. Let Felton walk because i dont think he will ever make this team elite. Use the money on not signing Felton plus the trade of Wallace to go out and get Ariza off the Lakers in FA. use the MLE on Sheed.

Here is the lineup

Curry Barbosa
Bell Henderson/ T Will
Ariza Radman/ Clark
Diaw Wallace/Ajinca
Okafor Diop


that is an awesome team and younger/better for the future the bench would depend on drafting and FAs but thats a hell of a lot better.
What do we have to lose?????

Prepare for searing pain... oh, and welcome to the BCP. :biggrin:

[SWedd523]

Here is my dream draft day scenario. We use the 12th and Wallace to move up and grab Curry.

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[jpf_v2.0]

Here is my dream draft day scenario. We use the 12th and Wallace to move up and grab Curry. Then send DJ Augusin plus Nazr plus a 2nd to the Suns for the 14th and Barbosa. Use the 14th pick and grab Blair, Henderson, Earl Clark, or T Will. Let Felton walk because i dont think he will ever make this team elite. Use the money on not signing Felton plus the trade of Wallace to go out and get Ariza off the Lakers in FA. use the MLE on Sheed.

Here is the lineup

Curry Barbosa
Bell Henderson/ T Will
Ariza Radman/ Clark
Diaw Wallace/Ajinca
Okafor Diop


that is an awesome team and younger/better for the future the bench would depend on drafting and FAs but thats a hell of a lot better.
What do we have to lose?????

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Other than thinking it would be an awesome team, what logic did you use to get here?

[jazzer89]

Other than thinking it would be an awesome team, what logic did you use to get here?[/QUOTE]

Well lets see, Wallace's game is one dimensional on offensive, he can slash to the basket thats about it. Ariza is the younger version of Wallace and we could save a couple of million by having Ariza versus Wallace. Ariza broke his foot last season you know what he did during that time he shot the ball all the time. Now the kid as a legit jumpshot coupled with the amazing athletic ability he has i think he could be better than Wallace. Ariza by the numbers is as good of a defender as Wallace they both steal the ball a hell of alot. Wallace accumulates more rebounds because ariza plays on a team where there are already very good rebounding bigs. right now we have a undersized center in Okafor. If you dont think Ariza could put the same type of rebounding numbers as Wallace in Brown's system ur wrong. I think there is much more upside in Ariza. Wallace is a great bobcat but i feel he can be replaced.

Now on to the PG position. Look there are so very bad flaws with both the guys we have on the team. We know Augustin is an amazing offense talent but when your defense is atrocious those things cancel out. Augustin can improve but he might not. Felton is a great defender on the other hand but his shot has never gotten better than 40%. I think Curry might have some problems on defense but he could succeed where Augustin is failing just b/c he is a little bigger in size. Curry's height and wingspan are both larger than Augustin so that helps. offensively he is better than both our guys. He flatout blows Felton out of the water in my opinion. I watched so many possesions during the season where it came to a last second shot b/c the offense did not flow. Our team did not have a guy who could take the jumpshot and get us points at the end of a possesion. Curry could succeed here where felton did not. Felton hit some nice buzzer beaters but in the grand scheme of things did we make the playoffs off of those beaters??

The reason i think we should go through these dramatic changes because we have flatout sucked since the existance of the franchise. That is in part to draft picks not working out (Morrison and May) and a bad coach or two(Vincent). Would it real be ashame if we lost the two most loved bobcats (felton and wallace) if it meant that we could quite possibely get out of the dark hole that we have been stuck in for the last 4 years.

[bing!]

You do realise that your little dream scenario leaves the Cats without a bona fide PG (don't even bother arguing that Curry & Barbosa cover that hole).

... and talking about Wallace the way you do has no merit seeing as Wallace is not only most fans' favorite player, he's the cog that makes the Cats' machinery tick.

[Chef]

Welcome to the planet. Trading Wallace....check past threads regarding the following

1. Trading Wallace
2. Trading Mek
3. Trading Raymond

That should prepare you for the debates ahead. Here is the strategy...WWI trench warfare stalemate. Please don't venture into no-man's land. You will die.

[jpf_v2.0]

If anything, you're blowing it up to spend another year of Brown's limited tenure grooming even more young players...players that are even more unproven than the ones you're getting rid of.

Where is the logic in that?

Beyond that, the salaries don't match up on the trade involving the Suns and it's impossible to know if the trade involving Wallace would match up since you included no team for that. It might have helped more if you had explained why the teams we traded with would want what you traded them.

[spectre]

Welcome to the forum jazzer89!


If anything, you're blowing it up to spend another year of Brown's limited tenure grooming even more young players...players that are even more unproven than the ones you're getting rid of.

Where is the logic in that?

Well said.

Unless something better is falling in our lap Crash is going to be our "star". LB says he hasn't touched what he can be and I think LB is going to make it his mission to bring that out.

Our PG rotation is the best it's ever been; LB's not about to water it down now as it's his position of most importance.

Raja is our leader and keeps the guys straight on the floor. He needs backup and this is probably our biggest weakness.

Crash/Boris/Mek make a great threesome and with some time under their belt I think they'll prove it. They each cover weaknesses the others have and each bring unique things to the table.

We don't need a shakeup...just some added depth.

[jazzer89]

So obviously my scenario is a dream one but hey i kicked off my entrance with a bang right?

[jazzer89]

deep down though can all of you guys here really say that the team constructed right now is a playoff team that would make it past the first round? I would just like to see us shake things up the best we can.

[dav7z]

deep down though can all of you guys here really say that the team constructed right now is a playoff team that would make it past the first round? I would just like to see us shake things up the best we can.


I think Brown will shake things up through the draft and he makes one more unexpected trade. Im trying to think createive and wonder what Brown is thinking but he all ways pulls somthing unexpected out of left feild. I have no real idea of the move but expect it to include Nazz and i have a feeling he packeges that with Bell. For WHO i have no idea .
In reality i think he keeps Felton and DJ. Under Brown both should turn out very productive.
Bell could be gone because his great contract and can ball in his late years . Add his and Nazzs contract toghter that could land no telling. 11 MILION a year should net somthing very nice in todays market.

Package our 2nd rounders to move back up to the first should net another good player for debth.
Brown might try and packege all three picks to land a player like Harden.
I just don't want us to trade old players like Sheed is nice now but has only one or two years left kinda like Bell.

Wallace juct needs a back up and Brown is just starting to tap into his true abilitys . Im guessing ALL STAR neaxt season.
Diaw could be traded for the right player . A better rebounding tough presence on the frunt line [ Boozer ] type but don't expect to get fair value out of Diaw.
Mek is the same as Diaw , I don't see any favrable trades.
Its going to be hard to dump Diop and Vlad with such bad contracts . Im just hoping for nice contribution thair.
I belive Martain , Jefferson , May and Howard are all gone and replaced with more productive fillers.
Like i said befor it should be a interesting off season.

[ohara831]

Not sure LB wants to get rid of Diop. There was an article out which mentioned how Diop has been working out every day to get better. If he's that committed, with some tutoring from LB, his offensive game will bet a little better. His defensive presence helped in several games. I just hope his FT % can increase some.

[teej]

I suspect jazzer has watched little of the actual games and just highlights, and while he is right that Ariza is a young Wallace, that's Wallace right now. Wallace of the future is going to kick Ariza's ass. And G-Dub means more to this team than anyone can quantify.

As for the Crack Baby, yes his shooting hasn't improved, but his overall game has, and he is a team leader, loves the area, and is the co-captain. If shooting forty percent is pur biggest compliant, I'm fine with that.

Raja, I think he'll be here with some help, because he can't play everyday, but he can still ball it up and his d makes Kobe shudder. And that gets us places.

Other than that, I don't have much comment other than your damn right it was a dream. But welcome to the forums, and I look forward to debating you.

[DjLoverAllDay]

no one better replace dj dats my man and he brings home my money and my clothes and shoes so if u got sumtin to say bout dj it better come through me FIRST!!!:mad:

[SWedd523]

no one better replace dj dats my man and he brings home my money and my clothes and shoes so if u got sumtin to say bout dj it better come through me FIRST!!!:mad:
DJ's been playing like a scrub this year and he needs to step his game up.