Would You: Trade Felton and 1st Rounder to Move Up for Steph Curry?

[Proudiddy]

I appreciate everything Felton has done for us, and if we re-sign him long-term, I'd be happy as well. I pose this question because rumor is that the Knicks REALLY want Steph, and IIRC, they pick 8th (I don't feel like looking). One of the big rumors last year was that the Knicks loved Felton for their uptempo offense and we're trying to trade for him. I say if they are still interested, we should look into it. Trade Felts and the 12th pick for the 8th pick and take Curry.

I want to get Curry not because I'm a homer (although I am proud of Curry being from NC), but supposedly our biggest need is a SG capable of starting but primarily to backup Raja. From what I've heard, NBA scouts believe Curry can play PG in the NBA and be effective (if not great). I figure if we traded Felton to move up and take Curry, then he would fill two needs - backup to DJ AND Raja.

What do you guys think? If it went down, I'd imagine it would have to be a sign and trade, as Felton is a RFA. Do you think it's possible?

*As a side note, I think Eric Maynard could be the next pick for us, as he can score, play d, and be a playmaker. I also saw a mock draft that had us taking Toney Douglas in the 2nd - I would mess my pants if he was available then AND we took him.

[SWedd523]

No way in hell is Curry worth Felton AND the 12. I would rather trade Felton + 12 for Jamal Crawford + their pick.

Would you really want DJ and Curry as our PG rotation? Sean May weighs more than the two of them combined. Curry would be great off the bench as some energy production. But if I had to give up one of our PGs, I would rather it be DJ.

[WAM9]

No, I wouldn't make that deal either. I know the word is Curry to NY at the 8 spot but I think there are several scenerios which could see him falling. Either way, I wouldn't trade up for him at all much less give up Felton in the deal.

Most folks agree that beyond the first 5-7 guys in this years draft, the next 6-8 are very close in ratings. While they might not be an all star, we should get pretty good value at the #12.

I would be for trading up for the right player but Felton is a high price to pay. Can we even trade Felton at this point without a sign and trade? Maybe we can...

[BRNC]

No...no point...

[Marvel]

SLAAAAAAAP!!!!!!!! In fact GET THE GUN!!!!........GET THE GUN!!!!!

[Proudiddy]

No...no point...

Curry will shoot at a much higher percentage than Felton has/will, with what we know right now. Curry is consistent and Felton has been extremely high and fairly low throughout his career. I know Felts gives it his all, but we need guaranteed scoring to come off the bench, and Curry provides that obviously. I think he'll average 16+ ppg in the right situation this coming season.

That's why I asked... We need scoring. Curry is NOT Adam Morrison. I had some funny feelings about Ammo when he came out, but with Curry, I'm sure he's gonna be good to great every night. And from what most scouts are saying, they agree.

I love Felton's heart and what he's done for us, and if he stays - what he will do for us. But, I think Curry will be a better pro and more efficient.

[spectre]

Sigh...we CAN'T trade Felton (or even talk to him about a new contract for that matter) until July. That's after the draft. He would also have to approve of it if it's a S&T.

[dav7z]

Sigh...we CAN'T trade Felton (or even talk to him about a new contract for that matter) until July. That's after the draft. He would also have to approve of it if it's a S&T.

Agreeded it's all most inpossable;
Agreeded with Sweed, Too .

Trading DJ, or Bell for a pick and Crawford sounds more realistic.


I don't even know what our chance of keeping Felton is period , considering Sideshow Bob and his lack of money???????????

[ohara831]

Even if we could trade Ray before the Draft, Ray and the #12 is way too much to give for #8. That kinda trade would need to garner a #5 or better. But it is all moot anyway since Ray cant be traded before the Draft. And for what it's worth, DJ and the #12 are worth more than #8 also. But DJ and #12 for Crawford and the #8, yeah, I'd have to take that deal. I am a huge DJ fan, but that deal would be good.

[TattoodCats4life]

I love Curry, but he's not high on defense (a major issue of an LB system). I think we should take a step back and look at our team and what each player is capable of and possibly someone might come to the same realization I have:

Start:
Felton, DJ, Wallace, Diaw, Okafor. Assuming we cant trade okafor for something better, which would be doubtful. DJ played VERY well off the ball, although lacks size.

If we decide that DJ can start in front of or back up Raja, then maybe we don't need a 2, maybe we can get another 1 guard. I'm not sure who will be there and worth it where we pick (maybe Lawson? but not sure of his actual value as his stock is dropping).

I also think one of our other "good bets" to do is draft someone that another team wants bad enough to trade during the offseason or early in the season.

Either way, Felton stays here in 99.9% of the scenarios i've thought about, sorry to be so off topic.

[spectre]

I really don't think people realize exactly how much Raja means to this team. All you have to do is look back at the last 7 or so games we played without Raja and it's glaringly obvious we play a whole lot better with him in the lineup. It's not just his defense (tho it's huge) nor is it his 3 pt shooting...it's that he commands respect from the other players and they listen to him.

Right now DJ & Felton in the lineup together should only be minimal except in certain situations. DJ usually can't stop the penetration and Felton doesn't have the discipline to stay on his man when that's happening (not to mention we're already at a disadvantage playing Felton against a 2). That's a liability LB won't tolerate and why our biggest need is a backup to Raja.

Not saying that's all the time...and that's just one example.

When we chose not to move Felton at the deadline we pretty much made the decision on whether or not he's going to be here next season. Barring something outrageous (we lowball Felton or his agent wants something ridiculous) he's going to be here until AT LEAST December and he can't be moved until then. It's possible to do a S&T, but I think the odds are very unlikely that happens, mainly because the ball is entirely in his court. Unless it's a great deal for Felton my guess would be he'd opt to take the qualifying offer instead...which would incidentally screw us.

The next big date for him is June 30th...the deadline for qualifying offers. If management feels like some and want to just let him walk (not going to happen) that will be the day it happens.

[Scottley Crue]

I really don't think people realize exactly how much Raja means to this team. All you have to do is look back at the last 7 or so games we played without Raja and it's glaringly obvious we play a whole lot better with him in the lineup. It's not just his defense (tho it's huge) nor is it his 3 pt shooting...it's that he commands respect from the other players and they listen to him.



You hit the nail on the head with all of this. I understand he's not flashy and won't pull off NBA Jam moves, but what he brings is terribly important and before he got here was also absent. Other players were leaders, but they hadn't been very far. Raja has and has played a big role in getting teams he played for about as far as you can go.

A backup for him is a huge priority in my mind. Be it the draft or free agency, I'd like to get a younger guy, sit him down, and say "Watch Raja and learn."

[ammofan]

Heck no......I think Curry will be good. But he is not worth trading Felton and the #12 for.

[dav7z]

I really don't think people realize exactly how much Raja means to this team. All you have to do is look back at the last 7 or so games we played without Raja and it's glaringly obvious we play a whole lot better with him in the lineup. It's not just his defense (tho it's huge) nor is it his 3 pt shooting...it's that he commands respect from the other players and they listen to him.



You hit the nail on the head with all of this. I understand he's not flashy and won't pull off NBA Jam moves, but what he brings is terribly important and before he got here was also absent. Other players were leaders, but they hadn't been very far. Raja has and has played a big role in getting teams he played for about as far as you can go.

A backup for him is a huge priority in my mind. Be it the draft or free agency, I'd like to get a younger guy, sit him down, and say "Watch Raja and learn."


I agree with you and Spectre both about Bell. But him and DJ have the best and most tradable contracts on the team. Knowing Brown as we all do the right trade comes along DJ and Bell will be gone either or both. I can see Brown making a play for a star be for next season . I just hope the move is for some one in thair prime and not playing in thair last years like AI.

[BETCATS]

not a good idea. We could problay trade DJ or Felton alone (although Felton cannot be traded) for the 8th pick, why give them ours too?

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[ammofan]

alrightyyyyyyyy^^^^

[SWedd523]

Curry will shoot at a much higher percentage than Felton has/will, with what we know right now. Curry is consistent and Felton has been extremely high and fairly low throughout his career. I know Felts gives it his all, but we need guaranteed scoring to come off the bench, and Curry provides that obviously. I think he'll average 16+ ppg in the right situation this coming season.

That's why I asked... We need scoring. Curry is NOT Adam Morrison. I had some funny feelings about Ammo when he came out, but with Curry, I'm sure he's gonna be good to great every night. And from what most scouts are saying, they agree.

I love Felton's heart and what he's done for us, and if he stays - what he will do for us. But, I think Curry will be a better pro and more efficient.

So you want to bring Curry in to be some energy and scoring off the bench?

Isn't that what we have DJ for? Doesn't bringing Curry in make DJ expendable? If you wanted to trade somebody, why wouldn't you want to trade DJ, who is basically the same thing as Curry?

:g:




p.s. LOL at BETCATS

[jpf_v2.0]

So you want to bring Curry in to be some energy and scoring off the bench?

Isn't that what we have DJ for? Doesn't bringing Curry in make DJ expendable? If you wanted to trade somebody, why wouldn't you want to trade DJ, who is basically the same thing as Curry?

:g:


p.s. LOL at BETCATS

Especially since Felton can't be traded on draft night. :hypo:

[jazzer89]

[QUOTE=BETCATS;127448]not a good idea. We could problay trade DJ or Felton alone (although Felton cannot be traded) for the 8th pick, why give them ours too?

if the knicks would do it i would love to get the 8th for DJ and Bell. But i would only do this if Curry, DeRozan, or Evans is on the board, b/c those three could fill in for Bell as a starter. Then at 12 we get whoever we want, probably Blair if we choose from the previous 3 mentioned at 8. If i were the cats i would investigate this.

Another possibility is if we do land the 8th by sending DJ and Bell. We could try and move Nazr with the 12th and move back.

I am pretty sure the knicks could take the money on, they would just lose one of their RFA (lee or nate)

[mrtarheel]

I say we trade Nazr and our last 2nd round pick to GSW for Jamal Crawford. He has 3 yrs left on a 8 mil contract as Nazr has 3 on a six. Nellie wants him gone and if he doesn't opt out they will probably take anything for him, besides they do need another big on their roster. We can then take the best available sg at 12 (hopefully Derozan) who can get spot minutes and allow him to learn the game. Go big with the second pick with someone like Aminu or Taj Gibson. That gives LB the big guard he wants while filling a void at the sg.

[spectre]

^Y'know, GSW fans have said repeatedly that they'd consider a Nazr/Crawford swap.

Kind of telling, don't ya think? :g:

[SWedd523]

if the knicks would do it i would love to get the 8th for DJ and Bell. But i would only do this if Curry, DeRozan, or Evans is on the board, b/c those three could fill in for Bell as a starter. Then at 12 we get whoever we want, probably Blair if we choose from the previous 3 mentioned at 8. If i were the cats i would investigate this.
That might entice me. Not only would it be possible, but the Knicks get good pieces for them and a nice expiring and we get young talent with smaller contracts that would give us room to resign Felton and bring in another free agent with our MLE+


Trade DJ since he's a proven commodity and Raja since there's clearly some D'Antoni ties. I would ask for the 8th and someone like.... Al Harrington (an expiring, so I guess this could only happen if we picked for each other?)

Then we take someone like Curry, Evans, Or Flynn with that pick and fill the hole left by DJ and draft Henderson or Wililams with the 12 and fill the hole left by Raja. We still have May, Dontell, Cartier, and Lil Sean to consider dropping for more freed salary that could possibly go to someone like... AI? (No, I don't want him, but saying that makes people happy)


Our situation would look like:

Ray / (Curry or Evans, both of which could play the 2) / Singletary
FA / (Henderson or Williams) / Dontell
Crash / Vlad / (Possibly Wlliams) / Cartier
Diaw / Juwan / Ajinca
Mek / Diop / Nazr


That's 3 deep at every position with a ton of versatility in between that could absorb the inevitable injury.

[SWedd523]

^Y'know, GSW fans have said repeatedly that they'd consider a Nazr/Crawford swap.

Kind of telling, don't ya think? :g:
I'd love it :cool:

[Slam]

Would You Trade Felton and 1st Rounder to Move Up for Steph Curry?
Wouldn't even consider it.

[LB4President]

I am not even sure we have the right to trade him right now because he is technically a free agent. But even if we did have the right to I would say no way. I am not a big fan of felton being in our future but I would never trade a player who is proven for Stephen Curry who is still a huge question. Who knows how he will turn out. Atleast we know what we have in felton

[TOOT DADDY]

Curry will not be anything special in the NBA. Career bench player and of course they will try to give him some run but don't see much more then an 7th 8th man off the bench maybe Rick Barry type player. Sorry Carolina Homers:rolleyes: As much as I love D.J. no go on this deal.

[mrtarheel]

This is alot of wishful thinking but if we traded Dj, Nazr and our #40 to GSW for Crawford and #8. We draft Clark at #8 and Derozan or Henderson at #12. Hoping Portland has already made the trade for Curry or rubio leaving Bayless odd man out. Try sending Radman to Portland so they have some experience in a sign and trade for Bayless and Frye

Felts, Bayless, FA
Bell, Crawford, Derozan or Henderson
Wallace, Clark, Martin
Diaw, Frye, Ajinca
Okafor, Diop, FA

Everyone has dreams.

[Proudiddy]

So you want to bring Curry in to be some energy and scoring off the bench?

Isn't that what we have DJ for? Doesn't bringing Curry in make DJ expendable? If you wanted to trade somebody, why wouldn't you want to trade DJ, who is basically the same thing as Curry?

:g:




p.s. LOL at BETCATS

What I'm saying is, It's obvious we need some upgrades somewhere. With the current roster, sure, we'll get in the playoffs, but not much further. A scoring guard and an offensively competent big would be the first needs that come to mind.

The reason I suggested Felton was b/c I believe DJ is going to be better than Felton (probably this year). Felton is a good player, but some games he hurts us. I know, some games he won for us. I just have a really hard time getting around his poor FG%, and sometimes he hinders our offense ineffective. Some have said we're fine with bringing DJ in to be the 2 guard... No. We need a guy in comparable size to Raja, and if anyone, Felton was better suited for the 2 guard b/c DJ seems to possess better decision making skills.

The Knicks were interested in Felton, so naturally, I chose him as the player we could offer to them (although I wasn't sure if we would be able to b/c of his contract status). I threw in the 12th pick to move up as well, b/c I don't think many teams would be willing to deal down without being given a first pick in return. I mean really, do you see someone giving us a 1st rounder straight up for Felton? Anyway, it's all irrelevant b/c as some have mentioned, he can't be dealt.

I'd say to offer Okafor, but I don't think we can afford to lose him. As limited offensively as Oak is, he's solid and is usually good for a double/double every night. Wouldn't be wise to deal him unless we upgrade at HIS position.

[LB4President]

I'm not doubting his game one bit. I truely don't know if he will turn into Reggie Miller or Adam Morrison. It is hard to tell with those players who rely so heavily on jumpshots. I wouldn't mind taking him with the twelveth pick depending on who is or isn't available, I just wouldn't trade a proven contributor who says they want to stay in Charlotte for a potential bust. BTW Rick Barry is one of the greatest players of all time, so calling him a bust and then comparing him to Barry makes little sense.

[dav7z]

According to Brown Curry is the real deal . Just came out in the oversever .Its on Thursdays draft workout thread.
If Curry is as good as Brown thinks . Trying to get him through Golden State might not be a bad idea . Curry would put a lot more butts in the seats than either Felton or DJ.
This helps put more leggs on a Crawford trade . Crawford and thair pick for Felton and our pick , Nazz might have to be a filler. Felts would have to be a sign and trade.

DJ and Curry along with Crawford and Bell makes a rather solid back court .

[BETCATS]

^Y'know, GSW fans have said repeatedly that they'd consider a Nazr/Crawford swap.

Kind of telling, don't ya think? :g:
Because their fans are defiantly in charge of the team....

Nazr is a good player, but J-Creezy can fetch higher quality things on the market, i dont see that happening, no matter what a couple riff-raff GState fans say.:rolleyes:

Dont get me wrong, it would be nice, but it would be even nicer if we actually used Nazr and just draft/sign a shooting guard. Maybe Jamal will opt out on his own terms and come here. He and LB got along in New York.

[spectre]

According to Brown Curry is the real deal . Just came out in the oversever .Its on Thursdays draft workout thread.
If Curry is as good as Brown thinks . Trying to get him through Golden State might not be a bad idea . Curry would put a lot more butts in the seats than either Felton or DJ.
This helps put more leggs on a Crawford trade . Crawford and thair pick for Felton and our pick , Nazz might have to be a filler. Felts would have to be a sign and trade.

DJ and Curry along with Crawford and Bell makes a rather solid back court .

Felton has to approve of a sign and trade and we can't talk to him about it until July 1st per league rules. The draft is June 25th (I think).

Drafting for teams wouldn't work in this case as you have no idea about money, years or anything. It just isn't feasible to talk about picks and RFAs or FAs in trades because of that.


Because their fans are defiantly in charge of the team....

Nazr is a good player, but J-Creezy can fetch higher quality things on the market, i dont see that happening, no matter what a couple riff-raff GState fans say.:rolleyes:

Dont get me wrong, it would be nice, but it would be even nicer if we actually used Nazr and just draft/sign a shooting guard. Maybe Jamal will opt out on his own terms and come here. He and LB got along in New York.

Once you've been around this stuff enough you start to realize "value" and what a player is worth to a reasonable degree. Sure some players are under and over rated, but usually a general concensus can be reached.

Crawford at his salary is not a good value. Do you guys realize he's due 19,480,000 over the next two seasons? That's 19.5 MILLION bucks. Almost 10 million per year.

And this is what you're getting...

CAREER
FG% - 40.4%
3FG% - 35%
ASTS - 4.2 in 32 minutes
STLS - 1 PPG
REBS - 2.7 PPG

Seriously...Felton is better than that now and is 4 years younger. He's already a much better defender. I wouldn't swap them out for the other and I sure don't want to add another inferior one.

Did you know Crawford, 29, has played in 597 games without a playoff appearance, the longest current streak and the sixth-longest in league history (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/phil_taylor/04/21/jamal.crawford/index.html)? Not saying that was all his fault, but that isn't a record one would really want to be stuck with.

[BETCATS]

Once you've been around this stuff enough you start to realize "value" and what a player is worth to a reasonable degree. Sure some players are under and over rated, but usually a general concensus can be reached.

Crawford at his salary is not a good value. Do you guys realize he's due 19,480,000 over the next two seasons? That's 19.5 MILLION bucks. Almost 10 million per year.

And this is what you're getting...

CAREER
FG% - 40.4%
3FG% - 35%
ASTS - 4.2 in 32 minutes
STLS - 1 PPG
REBS - 2.7 PPG

Seriously...Felton is better than that now and is 4 years younger. He's already a much better defender. I wouldn't swap them out for the other and I sure don't want to add another inferior one.

Did you know Crawford, 29, has played in 597 games without a playoff appearance, the longest current streak and the sixth-longest in league history (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/phil_taylor/04/21/jamal.crawford/index.html)? Not saying that was all his fault, but that isn't a record one would really want to be stuck with.

I am not saying your wrong, i just think someone will outbid us. Had we showcased Nazr by giving him more minutes and showing how talented he is, maybe it would happen. But i highly doubt that people will look at Nazr's history (as a starting center on a championship team) over his production last year (ridding the pine)

And i think their are a lot of other teams intrested that wouldnt mind giving away all sorts of players to get him.

[spectre]

Heh, I HOPE they outbid us...he'd be the 2nd highest paid player on our team!

You guys saw where Nazr's been working out right? It wouldn't shock me if we didn't end up needing him next year...

[SWedd523]

You guys saw where Nazr's been working out right? It wouldn't shock me if we didn't end up needing him next year...
I'll bite.... Where has he been working out?

[TOOT DADDY]

I'm not doubting his game one bit. I truely don't know if he will turn into Reggie Miller or Adam Morrison. It is hard to tell with those players who rely so heavily on jumpshots. I wouldn't mind taking him with the twelveth pick depending on who is or isn't available, I just wouldn't trade a proven contributor who says they want to stay in Charlotte for a potential bust. BTW Rick Barry is one of the greatest players of all time, so calling him a bust and then comparing him to Barry makes little sense.
I meant Brent Barry. On another note I think we learned it takes more than a local star or stars to fill stands see Felton and May bad angle. Winning trumps everything Dean Smith could come coach and there won't be an empty seat in the house at first. Let him start losing and sh#t is next to vacant. So it doesn't matter who we draft or run out on the court if they are losing the arena will suffer in attendance again. Again i'll pass on Curry.

[teej]

Because their fans are defiantly in charge of the team....

No, Don Nelson is. And he's dumber than any G-S fan.

No to the OP, no the about any Steph trade, no to any of the Bell trades, and HELL YES to the Nazzy Crawford trade.

Teej Out