Curry - At what cost?

[dav7z]

The news said today we looking into moving up in the draft to land Curry . Curry would be great to put butts in the seats . And from a business point of view the local underdog favorite. Savior of the Bobcats comes to Charlotte .
From a ability point of view, is Curry really that good?. Everything you read says he is. From a size point of view all you read is the kid is still growing to around 6.5 . Thats large enough to play either the point or the two guard.


Next what would we have to give up , Or what we willing to give up to land Curry?
I'm thinking we have two move up to the 5th pick to get him?
So im thinking some kind of deal with the Wizards?

Thoughts on Curry and all the questions he brings to the table with him ?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/770887.html


I don't think this is as much of a draft thread as it is . Should we make trades and create room to get him and at what cost???

[ziggy]

If we put him in the lineup at SG along with DJ playing the point then our perimeter shooting would be crazy. on the defensive side of the ball we would be hurting against bigger backcourts.

I'm from the ILBIT school, so if LB signs off on a deal to get him then I'm all for it.

[BETCATS]

i would trade all our picks to a higher team to get curry if that is what we really needed, then trade someone else like DJ or Emeka and get a couple 1st rounders we use to fill in other needs.

[Legend]

I wouldn't mind having him on out team, I'm really a big fan of his.

[teej]

ILBIT, but I wouldn't want him necessarily, and he doesn't want to be here.

[BRNC]

Teej...if the Knicks do trade up with Memphis then Curry will not be there...The only way I'd trade up for Curry is if the Wizards want to trade for DJ...then I'd do it our as Ziggy pointed out we could be very small...and frankly the Wizards want to trade out so why not?

[mrtarheel]

I think if we get Curry it will end up with us and Sac. Dj, Nazy and #12 for Donte, either McCants in a sign and trade or Kevin Martin and # 4. We might have to put in one of our seconds to entice the deal. I doubt they will give up Martin so we would have to look at Thompson in this deal for it to average out.

[BRNC]

I'd take Thompson in a heart beat...not sure the Kings will trade him though...not sure about that at all...

[dav7z]

I wouldn't mind having him on out team, I'm really a big fan of his.

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Washington wanting to blow up and start over save money. Us wanting to push for the playoffs and put butts in the seats . I could see us doing somthing like this as Washington sees this as a week draft any way.

In from Washington, Jamison,Crittenton, Washingtons first..
Out from Charlotte. Diaw,Augustin and our two second round picks.

Washington gets a proven point cheap//// and a power foward in his prime with a decent contract.
Arenas, Augustin, Buttler, Diaw, A good start to a nice core to build.

Charlotte,
Felton, Crittenton
Bell, Curry [fifth pick]
Wallace, [ 12th pick] Vlad
Jamisom , Alexis, May
Mek, Diop, Nazr,

We get much older in Jamison. But we be come a instant play off team. We put butts in the seats with locals Curry, Jamison, Felton, and all the love Wallace has gained because of his hussle, Add in a local coaching favorite Brown.
Promote the team as the home town greats with a new owner MJ . who shows up for all the home games

You sell tickets again , Charlotte becomes the talk around the NBA with all the changes .

Is all the changes really good for the team . I don't know but what i do know is it would sell a hell of a lot of tickets.

[Dead_Real]

Harden or Tyreke Evans please why do we need Eddie House V2?

[teej]

Yeah if we're trading up to #5 then I'd rather take Harden. Steph isn't worth that. He's the 10th pick value wise. And Diaw for Jamison? No way.

If your goal is to increase attendance, sign AI. Becaus basketball decisions come before popularity right now, since winning brings in more fans over the long haul. Unless you're in New Orleans. Isn't that right, Shinn?

[dav7z]

Harden or Tyreke Evans please why do we need Eddie House V2?

It's no way to to compare Curry to House no way . I agree Harden or Evans might both be better picks but neither could put half the butts in the seats Curry could.
My ticket rep called me today and told me people are all ready asking what are the chances of Curry becoming a Bobcat. Hes saying Curry is going to sell a lot of tickets.
Bottom line it's all about money any way.

[davcbow]

Yeah if we're trading up to #5 then I'd rather take Harden. Steph isn't worth that. He's the 10th pick value wise. And Diaw for Jamison? No way.

If your goal is to increase attendance, sign AI. Becaus basketball decisions come before popularity right now, since winning brings in more fans over the long haul. Unless you're in New Orleans. Isn't that right, Shinn?


Not by the hair of my shinny shinn shinn......:p

[hbk999]

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Washington wanting to blow up and start over save money. Us wanting to push for the playoffs and put butts in the seats . I could see us doing somthing like this as Washington sees this as a week draft any way.

In from Washington, Jamison,Crittenton, Washingtons first..
Out from Charlotte. Diaw,Augustin and our two second round picks.

Washington gets a proven point cheap//// and a power foward in his prime with a decent contract.
Arenas, Augustin, Buttler, Diaw, A good start to a nice core to build.

Charlotte,
Felton, Crittenton
Bell, Curry [fifth pick]
Wallace, [ 12th pick] Vlad
Jamisom , Alexis, May
Mek, Diop, Nazr,

We get much older in Jamison. But we be come a instant play off team. We put butts in the seats with locals Curry, Jamison, Felton, and all the love Wallace has gained because of his hussle, Add in a local coaching favorite Brown.
Promote the team as the home town greats with a new owner MJ . who shows up for all the home games

You sell tickets again , Charlotte becomes the talk around the NBA with all the changes .

Is all the changes really good for the team . I don't know but what i do know is it would sell a hell of a lot of tickets.

I don't think Washington wants to blow up,they are built to win now if they can find a PG to move Arenas off the ball. I like Jamison, but Diaw is the one player I WOULD NOT trade. He was the difference maker last year. Curry is not worth what it would take to trade up into the top 5 when you can draft Terrence Williams,Gerald Henderson,James Johnson,Jeff Teague,etc that can fill a need without as much risk involved.

[dav7z]

I don't think Washington wants to blow up,they are built to win now if they can find a PG to move Arenas off the ball. I like Jamison, but Diaw is the one player I WOULD NOT trade. He was the difference maker last year. Curry is not worth what it would take to trade up into the top 5 when you can draft Terrence Williams,Gerald Henderson,James Johnson,Jeff Teague,etc that can fill a need without as much risk involved.


I agree with you guys a lot about Currys value.
And as far as long term talent Diaw>>> Jamison
But to sell tickets NOW Curry ,Felton, Wallace, Jamison , and Mek , Brown
Would help sell tickets as well as any in the league.
BTW, welcome to Bobcatsplanet

[Dead_Real]

It's no way to to compare Curry to House no way . I agree Harden or Evans might both be better picks but neither could put half the butts in the seats Curry could.
My ticket rep called me today and told me people are all ready asking what are the chances of Curry becoming a Bobcat. Hes saying Curry is going to sell a lot of tickets.
Bottom line it's all about money any way.
Just like Ray, McMay & Ammo did right? the sad thing is I think that's part of the reason they want him.

I see him being a House/J Terry type 6th man as a starter on a Larry Brown team I'd worry now if D'Antoni was our coach...

[teej]

Just like Ray, McMay & Ammo did right? the sad thing is I think that's part of the reason they want him.

I see him being a House/J Terry type 6th man as a starter on a Larry Brown team I'd worry now if D'Antoni was our coach...

Exactly. He's not that good, and except for Ray their "money" picks have failed miserably.

Dav, we're just trying not to think that the GM is financially motivated here. And no Diaw equals no playoffs with this core.

[dav7z]

Just like Ray, McMay & Ammo did right? the sad thing is I think that's part of the reason they want him.

I see him being a House/J Terry type 6th man as a starter on a Larry Brown team I'd worry now if D'Antoni was our coach...


Im sure thats part of the reason they want him . I do think Curry is a much better pick than Morrison, May.
Felton has been a nice pick so it's hard to put him in that group. Curry would become Bells replacement . It would not be a bad back court . And it would spread the floor quite a bit. I see Curry as a R, Alllan type spreading the floor. Defence about like Allen all so not to good. Over all not a bad pick up.

But it all comes back to the thread Curry at what cost because he's not going to be around at twelve. Is he worht trading up for .
Like you i think it's better players at five but they won't fill the seats any where close to what Curry could.

[dav7z]

Exactly. He's not that good, and except for Ray their "money" picks have failed miserably.

Dav, we're just trying not to think that the GM is financially motivated here. And no Diaw equals no playoffs with this core.




It's no way you could think deep pockets Bob , and even MJ are not thinking about money wnen thinking about moving up to draft Curry.


Hell i like the kid for some reason . I liked his daddy when he played for Charlotte.
Im a season ticket holder and i would love to see the underdog knocking down threes just like his daddy did . I know it's smarter choices , but he's the kind of kid who becomes your favorite no matter the talent level .

I see both sides and agree with both sides , Guess i want the best of both worlds.

[Dead_Real]

I'm not dissing Ray at all (my favorite Bobcat) I mean the UNC duo thing taking him along with May but we have beat that to death so whatever.

Winning will bring the fans to TWC arena like they started doing when we were making a playoff push. I agree Curry would bring some fans on board just off his name alone but adding Ty Evans or Harden is more than a temporary solution for ticket sales as rooks they make us extremely better.

[hbk999]

I agree with you guys a lot about Currys value.
And as far as long term talent Diaw>>> Jamison
But to sell tickets NOW Curry ,Felton, Wallace, Jamison , and Mek , Brown
Would help sell tickets as well as any in the league.
BTW, welcome to Bobcatsplanet
Appreciate it,with school out I'll be around more. I feel like winning is what is going to get people there. Perfect example would be the playoff run last year. I went to the Knicks,Lakers,Heat,and Sixers in a one week stretch when we were still in it and the atmosphere was awesome. I realize the Lakers are a big draw regardless,but people went to the other games because the Cats were winning. I think unless you have a big name (LeBron,Kobe) or a tradition of winning (Celtics,Lakers) then the product on the floor is what interests people.

[dav7z]

I'm not dissing Ray at all (my favorite Bobcat) I mean the UNC duo thing taking him along with May but we have beat that to death so whatever.

Winning will bring the fans to TWC arena like they started doing when we were making a playoff push. I agree Curry would bring some fans on board just off his name alone but adding Ty Evans or Harden is more than a temporary solution for ticket sales as rooks they make us extremely better.

I see and understand what you saying and agree with what you saying.But im thinking management is thinking they want to hit the home run both ways. Right pick or not Curry has talent and fan appeal and im sure they thinking of going with the local favorite. Again
Would we be getting the best player at five NO or at least i don't think so. See i love Hardens game Evans could be come one hell of a talent. But if Curry be comes big time then seats are filled for years to come.

[rsxnova]

I see and understand what you saying and agree with what you saying.But im thinking management is thinking they want to hit the home run both ways. Right pick or not Curry has talent and fan appeal and im sure they thinking of going with the local favorite. Again
Would we be getting the best player at five NO or at least i don't think so. See i love Hardens game Evans could be come one hell of a talent. But if Curry be comes big time then seats are filled for years to come.

I hope we do not go after Curry for this reason alone. The "IF" factor has screwed us over so many times.

[teej]

I hope we do not go after Curry for this reason alone. The "IF" factor has screwed us over so many times.

Exactly

What IF Harden becomes an All-Star? And Curry is no better than Dell? We look like the new Clippers.

[jpf_v2.0]

I like Curry but I don't know that I'd move up for him. I guess I'd really have to see what it cost to move up.

But I really don't like the idea of taking him because he's a local player. Haven't we went down that road before?

[polarcat]

i wouldn't mind curry on the 'cats, but as many have stated.....at what cost? dj would more than likely be the player moved and i'm not a fan of that. if curry were to come here i'd like him backing up bell and being a bench energy guy for a couple of seasons. if reports are true, he could fill out to be 6'5'' and at that point would be a great option at the 2. our future backcourt would be secured with dj/curry. the only problem is that curry reminds me of morrison too much. i'm not saying that they are the same type of player, but the pre-draft and expectations are similar. both played at smaller schools and dominated on the collegiate level and were kinda in the underdog category. we saw how ammo's game couldn't keep up with the nba and i wonder if curry would be nothing more than a 6th man off the bench nba-caliber player. our draft history is more fail than pass and moving up to get curry would cost us a key piece. the sac-town trade that brings us thompson, greene and the draft pick would be fine by me because the weight of the trade wouldn't be just getting curry. a wrong gamble in this draft could set us back even farther than where we are. the speculation makes sense though b/c of johnson trying to sell the team and the business side of the game coming into play with the local kid. i trust lb and it's his team that he's running out there. if a trade goes down, i'm sure lb will have input in regards to which players he would be losing in order to gain steph. i just want a player drafted that will be another piece into getting us into the upper echelon of the league. if that is curry, fine. if it's t.will or henderson, fine. if it's a trade for a veteran player, fine. this team is on the brink of something special, and i just want a playoff team that gets some public exposure and is looked at as a respected team and city for pro b-ball.

[Weezy21]

I think if we get Curry it will end up with us and Sac. Dj, Nazy and #12 for Donte, either McCants in a sign and trade or Kevin Martin and # 4. We might have to put in one of our seconds to entice the deal. I doubt they will give up Martin so we would have to look at Thompson in this deal for it to average out.

1- You really think SAC would want to move down from pick 4 to 12 AND take Nazy??? Um no

2- You really think SAC would give us kevin martin (THEIR BEST PLAYER)??? haha no way!

3- Thompson showed huge potential this year...no chance we would get him by offering DJ as the only plus in this trade

4- Mccants is garbage an has a horrible attitude...an il pass on dante

Basically what im saying is we would have to come up with something FAR better than this to get the Kings pick...sorry but we gotta start thinking more realistic...i would LOVE to move up in the draft but a lot of these trades in these threads are either overvaluing our players or undervaluing other team players...i do agree with somebody on here that if we could move up by offering all our picks, i would if curry, harden, or another big name is still available...or trading them an a filler for a established vet

[jpf_v2.0]

4- Mccants is garbage an has a horrible attitude...an il pass on dante

Oh come on! He was dating one of the Kardashian sisters! Khloe I think it was.

[dav7z]

This Mock has Curry going at three over Evans and The center from Uconn
http://www.rr.com/sports/sports/photogallery/rr/8010081


His value is geting too expensive . Hes not worth morgaging the house for. At this point it would take DJ and twelve at the very least..

[DirtyU11]

1- You really think SAC would want to move down from pick 4 to 12 AND take Nazy??? Um no

2- You really think SAC would give us kevin martin (THEIR BEST PLAYER)??? haha no way!

3- Thompson showed huge potential this year...no chance we would get him by offering DJ as the only plus in this trade

4- Mccants is garbage an has a horrible attitude...an il pass on dante

Basically what im saying is we would have to come up with something FAR better than this to get the Kings pick...sorry but we gotta start thinking more realistic...i would LOVE to move up in the draft but a lot of these trades in these threads are either overvaluing our players or undervaluing other team players...

While I do agree with this, I think it is very realistic that we can do DJ, 12th, and Nazzy for Sacs 4th donte and who ever you guys want maybe one of there bigs or mcCants but nobody seems to want him. We arent going to get martin or thompson in a combination with what we are giving them currently . But I think this trade will work for both teams.

[Demon DeaCat]

I agree that any move up to get Curry would likely cost us DJ. That being the case, the only way we should make that deal is if we're certain that Curry will ultimately be a better player than DJ. As much as I'd like to have Steph, as much as I loved his dad, as neat as the storyline would be, I'm not convinced he's better than DJ. I just don't see any good reason to do it.

[JGib23]

Ok- I've been thinking about this.... Okafor for the #3 pick from OKC...

Why for the Bobcats?

Emeka is a nice piece but, not a center piece.
With Bob looking to sale the team, clearing this long term obligation would help make the team look more attractive to a prospective buyer.
With the #3 pick the Bobcats would have some great flexibility in the draft. Curry, Rubio, Thabeet? With the #12 pick we could address another need.
Put Nazr and Diop's contract to use. (Neither is the answer at Center but, together they can form a serviceable rotation while we revamp the line-up)


Why for the Thunder?

The Thunder already have their go to scorer in Durant and what they lack is what Emeka can offer. A tough defender who will rebound the ball and defend the basket.

Emeka is overpaid but, not by a wide margin for what he brings. I think he would be a great compliment to the Thunder line-up.

The Thunder have another 1st round pick this season so they can also address the need for another guard with this pick.

Thoughts?

[Felton for Prez]

No way do you do Mek for the 3pick. There is only one likely star in this draft and he's going #1. Mek isn't a star but he's extremely solid with very few question marks at this stage and there is no one outside of Griffen that I would rather have over Mek from this draft. The risk/return profile on that trade doesn't make any sense at all.

As for all the Curry stuff...sorry...I just don't see it. If he was water bug quick I'd have a different opinion. I just don't see him being anything more than a solid backup getting 20mins a game.

[JGib23]

I think just dumping the long term committment alone is worth the risk.

To me- It's time to rebuild. I would rather have the cap flexibilty than Emeka.

Emeka makes alot of since on a team like the Thunder who have a bona-fide star in Durant and good young nucleus.

Emeka is good enough on the Bobcats to help us win enough games to not be a factor in the playoffs and never be in the position to draft a star. Emeka also ties up enough cap space to where we could never sign one (if a star would agree to come to Charlotte in the first place).

I would be thriled to unload the contract- to get a top 4 pick to boot would just be icing on the cake....

[DirtyU11]

Emeka isnt going anywhere and its ridiculous to think we can get an upgrade for him in this draft outside of Griffin. Since this is the Curry thread here is a trade that works in the checker and very fair vaule for each team.

Cha trades: DJ, Nazzy, and the 12th

Sac trades: Donte Green, Kenny Thomas, and the 4th

We get a good SF to backup Wallace in Green, we take on the bad contract of Thomas but its a year less than Nazzy's and we take Curry with the 4th.

We still need to adress the PF issue so I say we trade both our seconds and maybe some cash considerations to get back into the mid 20's and get Hansbrough. Im not a UNC fan at all but I think he will be a good role player and a very good hustle/energy guy that we need and even if hes not there I think we still try to trade back in and take the best big available.

Our lineup looks like this

Felton/Curry/Singletary
Bell/Curry/Cartier Martin
Wallace/Vlad/Green
Diaw/Hansbrough/Thomas
Okafor/Diop/Ajinca

This is a solid lineup and when Curry takes over for Bell midseason as the starter we will have a young starting group to build around for the future and a much improved bench with Curry/Bell, Vlad, Green, and Hansbrough all being solid contributors.

[JGib23]

I guess I'm in the minority.

For the record- I don't think we will "upgrade" by replacing Emeka with who ever we pick 3rd (although we could).

I think we upgrade simply by him not being here.

10 Million/ yr in cap savings + #3 pick (Curry) to me is more valuable than Emeka Okafor.

[jazzer89]

I guess I'm in the minority.

For the record- I don't think we will "upgrade" by replacing Emeka with who ever we pick 3rd (although we could).

I think we upgrade simply by him not being here.

10 Million/ yr in cap savings + #3 pick (Curry) to me is more valuable than Emeka Okafor.
Hey JGib23, I like the way your thinking. I personally hated the fact we sign Okafor last offseason but we had no choice. There was no one who we could get to play center for us.

But i think if we could get rid of him i would do it in a heartbeat. what if Diop learned how to play defense a little better and rebounded a little more, would he not be a taller Okafor? they both suck offensively so having both of them is stupid. So trading Okafor for the 3rd is smart and it allows this team to be more flexible with the cap.

So i like your idea on getting rid of Okafor, its not like last offseason where we had no backup center. Diop can play it and there should be no reason why he could not. Just wish the thunder were dumb enough to make the trade.

[ohara831]

If I'm trading into the Top 5 for anyone other than Blake Griffin, then it will be for Harden, not for Curry.

[BRNC]

Harden and Hill...I like them both for various reasons...but I would not trade up unless it was a trade heavily tilted in our favor...more assets coming in than going out and I don't see that happening...the closer we get to the draft it becomes more likely a team (Denver last year) tries to unload a player that could actually help us...I'd rather take advantage of that (if it happens and our FO is capable of taking advantage) that lock into a trade-up scenario this far out...and it seems more and more teams want out of the top five picks the closer the draft gets so who knows...maybe Memphis calls us and to trade the 2nd pick for Diop...it is Memphis...:rim:

[teej]

No way do you do Mek for the 3pick. There is only one likely star in this draft and he's going #1. Mek isn't a star but he's extremely solid with very few question marks at this stage and there is no one outside of Griffen that I would rather have over Mek from this draft. The risk/return profile on that trade doesn't make any sense at all.

As for all the Curry stuff...sorry...I just don't see it. If he was water bug quick I'd have a different opinion. I just don't see him being anything more than a solid backup getting 20mins a game.

Really? Did Dumbleavy announce He was taking Rubio?

But Harden could also become a star, so there are three. Not one.

I don't want Curry, plain and simple. And he doesn't want to be here. He's Adam Morrison and Sean May v.3 if he comes here very easily, especially if he goes 3-4-5, maybe even 6. He's worth low lottery, but he's so far overvalued I don't know what to say, other than we're getting someone better than him with #12.

As for Mek, Diop sucks so bad Mek looks like a saint. Nazzy could start and do well, but not Gana. I don't know who said it, but somewhere there was a "I was excited when we trade for Gana, then I saw him play" comment. Why do we what his lard ass starting?