View Full Version : Brown says team needs to fill three holes
dav7z
06-12-2009, 02:52 PM
Coach Brown says the team needs to fill three holes to make the playoffs
Power foward , Shooting guard and if possable a point guard , Who could contribute behind the starters.
Trading out of the draft seems to be a option he's considering.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/775946.html
Thoughts on what he says team needs are and trading out of the draft.
Another thing he doesn't seem at all big on Lexy any more . He could be added as a trade piece.
polarcat
06-12-2009, 03:15 PM
i think lexy is an option, but not in 2009-10. given his age, frame and transition to the nba from europe, i'm not worried about it. i really think a.i. is a viable addition and the other needs get filled via the draft.
ohara831
06-12-2009, 03:27 PM
I think he's right on the money. Although a 3rd PG is not as high a priority as the other 2 holes. Will be interesting to see how he tries to fill the holes via Draft and FA.
Dead_Real
06-12-2009, 03:42 PM
I'm thinking Lex will spend half the season in the NBDL & get called back up hopefully. Honestly he can't be any worse than Diop to be able to crack the rotation.
Draft T-Will back up SG & can play emergency point due to an injury which should be the only reason someone else runs the point w/ DJ & Felton.
As far as PF I'd like to somehow get Frye who is rotting in Portland.
dav7z
06-12-2009, 04:23 PM
Brown hasn't give up on May it seems. I just hope May proves he can be a solid rotation player be for we resign him . Then only a short ,small contract. If at all.
Lexy seems to have feel in to Browns dog house . I wouldn't be suprized to see him traded for a pick or another player draft night.
I wouldn't be suprized to see us deal the 12th pick for either a p/f or a s/g. I kinda expect to see Nazr added two that pick.
Brown could fill all the holes if we use Lexy and our picks . We could become very deep if we maid the right moves.
What do you guys think Lexy could net us??????????/
polarcat
06-12-2009, 06:26 PM
i didn't get the impression that lexy was in brown's doghouse from the article. maybe just a little letdown that he wasn't as close to being a contributor as he hoped and/or a little longer of a road to get to where brown wants him to be.
If Lexy is in the doghouse, it's for his bad attitude. But that's all on Lexy. It's not for anything on-court.
Ghost Kat
06-12-2009, 06:38 PM
I'm starting to wonder if Ajinca isn't a bust already. If LB still doesn't think he has what It takes , I'm not sure Ajinca will hang around long enough to make a difference. He might pull a Morrison and complain about not getting minutes, Only to be traded and sit at the end of the bench.....
Maybe get a championship ring :hypo:
Maybe get a championship ring :hypo:
That just pisses me off. Morrison should gift-wrap that to Vladi's agent, because that's the only reason Ammo got there...
and Adam can't even get into a uni for one finals game? that's sad...
GoBobs
06-12-2009, 07:05 PM
Glad to see coach still thinks May can make a difference. I don't think Lexy is in the doghouse I just think he is to young to be counted on to be a rotation player. I know brown wants him to be more coachable but, I think it is a great sign that Lexy is itching to play. So many big guys play ball just because they are big but Lexy seems to really have a passion for the game.
BETCATS
06-12-2009, 07:08 PM
That just pisses me off. Morrison should gift-wrap that to Vladi's agent, because that's the only reason Ammo got there...
and Adam can't even get into a uni for one finals game? that's sad...
Adam Morrison is a sad panda
http://phoenix.fanster.com/suns/files/2009/02/crying.jpg
http://welikesportz.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/crying2.jpg
the team needs to fill three holes
There was a girl at my school like that...........
don't worry.
Actually Slam, my life's just fine, and I'm happy with it. I've got great grades, great friends, and I have lots of fun. But I like that you showed some self-control there and didn't tell everyone your opinions this time...
:o:o:o
That just pisses me off. Morrison should gift-wrap that to Vladi's agent, because that's the only reason Ammo got there...
and Adam can't even get into a uni for one finals game? that's sad...
Ammo is was drafted into and is playing in the NBA.
What are you doing with your life?
(in retrospect, it was worth it)
Ammo is was drafted into and is playing in the NBA.
What are you doing with your life?
(in retrospect, it was worth it)
Since you went there. :confused:
(No one else needs to read this besides Slam, it'll bore you)
He'll be out of it and in legal trouble before 35.
I'm taking International Baccalaureate classes that will get me into a high level college as long as I do decently. I have a great social life with my friends and family. I'm active in Latin and Beta Clubs, and Model United Nations. I participate regularly in my Youth Group, and work with Habitat for Humanity. I'm good with computers. I write well (I've been in my school's Art/Writing Magazine). I've been told I have a future in medicine, politics, and business to name a few. So let me ask you, Slam. What are you doing with YOUR life?
I'm doing well to put up with piss ants like you.
SWedd523
06-13-2009, 01:53 AM
Nevermind, teej.. There are a few people that have been on BCP since the beginning. People you don't try and show up because they've earned that respect. Slam is one of those people.
Not to say you aren't a cool dude and a valuable piece to the boards, but you don't try and show up the old skool guns like Slam. You bite your tongue and move along.
TheBeagle
06-13-2009, 01:53 AM
Glad to see coach still thinks May can make a difference. I don't think Lexy is in the doghouse I just think he is to young to be counted on to be a rotation player. I know brown wants him to be more coachable but, I think it is a great sign that Lexy is itching to play. So many big guys play ball just because they are big but Lexy seems to really have a passion for the game. +1. Well said. As someone who's gotten to know Lexy, as much as a fan can get to know a player that is, you're absolutely right. He told me a month or so before the NBDL move that it's just frustrating because he's been sitting his whole basketball career....he was sitting in France, he's been sitting here. I mean really, who wouldn't get a little pissed or frustrated always being told what great potential you have, but never getting the chance to show it?
He's a great kid who will succeed in this league with the right direction. Larry and Co. would be foolish to get rid of him.
Bigs take 2-3 years if you're lucky...I think the FO and LB did him a disservice by not playing him in the NBADL...he needs playing time...
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
06-13-2009, 04:10 PM
I think he's right on the money. Although a 3rd PG is not as high a priority as the other 2 holes. Will be interesting to see how he tries to fill the holes via Draft and FA.
i disagree..i think a 3rd PG is as important as a backup SG..
If Felton is out with an injury..We are left with DJ (who is still getting accustomed) and no one else to back him up
LB is big on his PG...and considers it the most important position of the team..if he thinks that a 3rd PG is needed insurance..i agree with him
ohara831
06-13-2009, 04:28 PM
i disagree..i think a 3rd PG is as important as a backup SG..
If Felton is out with an injury..We are left with DJ (who is still getting accustomed) and no one else to back him up
LB is big on his PG...and considers it the most important position of the team..if he thinks that a 3rd PG is needed insurance..i agree with him
I was assuming we were keeping Lil Sean Singletary as our 3rd PG. If we are not going to keep him, then I agree we need a 3rd. But I thought he was our 3rd and we did not need to necessarily replace him. He's only 23, so he does have the ability to get better. He was solid in College. I dont think he was a disaster when he did play for us.
Bobcat Matt
06-13-2009, 06:07 PM
Why not Dontell Jefferson as our 3rd pg? I think he clearly showed more in his limited minutes than Singletary ever did. He also satisfies Larry's preference for a "bigger" 3rd PG. We already have 2 small ones, so why keep an even smaller 3rd one who really hasn't shown he has the ability to be an effective NBA player.
Bigs take 2-3 years if you're lucky...I think the FO and LB did him a disservice by not playing him in the NBADL...he needs playing time...
Ya, I agree. I think they were trying to protect Lexy a little helping him to ease into the USA and NBA culture and keeping him close to Boris but in doing so, stunted his growth a little.
He should have spent the entire season down in the D.
Why not Dontell Jefferson as our 3rd pg? I think he clearly showed more in his limited minutes than Singletary ever did. He also satisfies Larry's preference for a "bigger" 3rd PG. We already have 2 small ones, so why keep an even smaller 3rd one who really hasn't shown he has the ability to be an effective NBA player.
I would a zillion percent keep TMNT over Bling and "Lil Sean".
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
06-13-2009, 06:52 PM
I was assuming we were keeping Lil Sean Singletary as our 3rd PG. If we are not going to keep him, then I agree we need a 3rd. But I thought he was our 3rd and we did not need to necessarily replace him. He's only 23, so he does have the ability to get better. He was solid in College. I dont think he was a disaster when he did play for us.
Ok I see what you are thinking...well from the fact that LB thinks we need a third PG I think sean singl is out of the picture
I agree with the above that a taller PG would be a nice addition particularly if he can play strong defense and cover the two at times
ohara831
06-13-2009, 08:23 PM
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/06/sounds-like-curry-going-before-ny.html
Well now, wouldn't this be nice to get one of these 2 fall our way. That would fill one of LB's holes.
SWedd523
06-13-2009, 08:42 PM
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/06/sounds-like-curry-going-before-ny.html
Well now, wouldn't this be nice to get one of these 2 fall our way. That would fill one of LB's holes.
No chance in Hell will Harden or Hill fall below 10. This is starting to get ridiculous
110oldeast
06-14-2009, 03:01 PM
I'm all for Donnell Jefferson as the 3rd pg. We need an SG with SHOOTING and creating ability and another PF in that order, IMO.
We need an SG with SHOOTING and creating ability
For me, that's dependent on which PG is our true PG of the future - but I do see your point.
110oldeast
06-14-2009, 10:14 PM
Slam,
IMO I think either way we need shooting out of the SG. With Crash locking down one wing, the other wing needs to be somewhat of a knockdown shooter. That's a significant part of NBA success today. We can't afford to just put another athlete on the wing unless LB is going to change his philosophy and have us fly up and down the floor and be a transition team going for fast break dunks.
Teams of athletes with mediocre shooting on the wings (Philly/Atlanta) can't get over the top when they have to grind it out in halfcourt ball in the Playoffs. There's a reason Philly made a move to get Kapono and Iggy was on ESPN lobbying for Curry still.
Wing shooting spreads the floor and makes it easier for all parties. Whether the pg is DJ or Ray, the team needs AT LEAST one of the wings to be a legitimate knockdown shooter, IMO. It makes it easier to manufacture and facilitate offense.
When you look at the teams who advance and who succeed in the league, they may have big time players. But they surround those big time players with guys who can shoot to reduce the amount of sagging help defense those players have to face. Again, this is a large reason why a year ago, the team was able to thrive despite Crash's absence against solid competition with J-Rich and Carroll on the wings compiling an 8-4 record with everyone's favorite coach in charge.
I think that we have made HUUUUUUGE strides in the PF department since LB has gotten here. But I think that wing we can count on as a scorer and shooter is the most significant need at this point.
For me, that's dependent on which PG is our true PG of the future - but I do see your point.
spectre
06-15-2009, 06:03 AM
For me, that's dependent on which PG is our true PG of the future - but I do see your point.
LOL, what is "the future"? Pretty sure we're in "win now" mode. Moves like trading for Vlad indicate our future is right now as far as the FO is concerned.
I seriously doubt LB would be so near sighted anyway; he'll bring in the best player available for the team. Defense will probably play a big part so we don't fall off so much when Raja sits.
Slam, IMO I think either way we need shooting out of the SG. Oh, for sure. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we could make due with someone like Ammo at the 2 spot who ended up being a liability when it came to shooting the ball, but a guy like Raja works just fine IMO - a guy who can hit an open J, hit coming off a curl, take it to the rack a little etc. Doesn't have to be an offensive dynamo, just reliable.With Felts being a suspect 3 point shooter I think that ideally we have a SG next to him who can hit the 3 ball at a high clip.With DJ being a sensational 3pt shooter, we can afford to give up some long range shooting at the 2 spot (especially if Boris keeps hitting at a nice clip too).Know what I mean? It's all about finding the right "fit" with what we have IMO.
Defense will probably play a big part so we don't fall off so much when Raja sits.I share your concern. It worries me that we will lose some of the defensive intensity and swagger when Raja is out of the game so that will have to be addressed.
ExplosionsInTheSky
06-15-2009, 11:35 AM
Ideally we need an all-around player at the two, considering the rest of our line-up, someone that just does everything well but really excels in defense and shooting. I agree with Slam though, if we plan on rolling with Felton than a shooter is almost necessary. Playing next to two point guards (Felton & Diaw) and only one outside shooter (Diaw) a guy like Rip Hamilton would be perfect - moves well without the ball, great catch-and-shoot skills, high IQ, plays defense, good team player, etc... Augustin on the other hand would excel next to a big two-guard that can create for themselves and others while playing great defense, like an Andre Iguodala maybe. Someone like Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy, and Manu Ginobili we be great next to either IMO.
I guess in other words, James Harden would be great next to either PG. Evans would do fine next to Augustin, and I'm really not to sure who would fit next to Felton...
I guess in other words, James Harden would be great next to either PG. Evans would do fine next to Augustin, and I'm really not to sure who would fit next to Felton...
Ben Gordon;)
dav7z
06-15-2009, 12:57 PM
Ben Gordon;)
I think Williams and Henderson both would fit well with either of our points .
Both play good defence and can hit the open jumper . Though i think Williams could be a little better taking it to the hole.
BTW Slam our boy is climbing right up the draft board................
ELEVATION
06-15-2009, 01:51 PM
Hedo Turkoglu will opt out of his contract to become a free agent!
what do u guys think about his chances of joining the 'cats..i kno we already have radmonivich, but he is a veteran that LB would prob. enjoy coaching
Also, The Pistons could be entertaining the idea of trading guard Richard Hamilton.
I have nothing against Hamilton but we already have a SG that's 33 so I'd still try for Harden...Hedo is a good player and would be great BUT how exactly do we move Vlad or Diaw to get him? It might be a nice thought but if we actually make a trade before the draft it will involve one of two players Okafor (the most likely) or DJ (to package a bad contract out)...our other contracts would be to hard to move and get any real value back IMO...
SirBobcat
06-15-2009, 02:01 PM
If Wallace could slide to SG and Hedo would take the Mid Level, then I think it would be a very nice move. He's still a nice player for a few seasons at least and could possibly be a big help in Charlotte getting over the hump.
But considering that's not happening, we'll all move on.
110oldeast
06-15-2009, 08:54 PM
I get what you are saying. I think regardless of what we do, Felton and Crash have to take some strides with the 3 pointer--Crash exclusively on the corner 3 and Felton on catch and shoots exclusively. I think Raja regaining his consistency would go a long way here as well.
My point was that a team like the Hawks has a guy who has a 3 pt shooter at point in Bibby while being surrounded by a developing 3 pt shooter in Marvin Williams, a do it all, but not really a "shooter" in Joe Johnson an athlete with Josh Smith and a solid inside guy with Horford, struggle in the playoffs b/c of the lack of perimeter shooting on the wings to make room for Johnson to work. The same is true with Philly who is athletic as hell on the wings, but lack shooters. They are fine when running, but it kills their halfcourt offenses.
Most of the teams who have been successful in the playoffs since they instituted the zone have had multiple guys who could knock it down beyond their offense initiator (see the Finals participants the last 5 years). I am fine with Raja out there, b/c he is a shooter you have to account for. However, having a non-shooter on the wing opposite Crash simply will clog the lane, IMO.
If TWill can knock down that shot, he is a slam dunk pick as he can fill in for Raja or Gerald if they are injured. The outside shot is the ONLY question mark I would have there.
From a free agent standpoint, it would interesting to see if we could get an Anthony Parker if we couldn't fulfill the 2g depth in the draft.
Oh, for sure. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we could make due with someone like Ammo at the 2 spot who ended up being a liability when it came to shooting the ball, but a guy like Raja works just fine IMO - a guy who can hit an open J, hit coming off a curl, take it to the rack a little etc. Doesn't have to be an offensive dynamo, just reliable.With Felts being a suspect 3 point shooter I think that ideally we have a SG next to him who can hit the 3 ball at a high clip.With DJ being a sensational 3pt shooter, we can afford to give up some long range shooting at the 2 spot (especially if Boris keeps hitting at a nice clip too).Know what I mean? It's all about finding the right "fit" with what we have IMO.
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