View Full Version : What unrestricted or restricted or free agents can help us out?
mrtarheel
06-28-2009, 12:44 PM
I went thru some un and restricted free agents and also free agents and came up with a list of players and was wondering on everyones thougts about them and how they can help us out. Feel free if you know of more to include them for this is our team and we know what is best. The real GM's of the NBA
Matt Barnes, sf (unres)-Brandon Bass, pf (un)- Charlie Villuneza, pf (restr)-Channing Frye pf/c (restr)-David Lee, pf (restr)-Quinton Ross, sf (FA)-AI, sg (FA)-Gerald Green, sg/sf (FA)-Flip Murray, sg (FA)-Rasheed Wallace, pf/c (FA)-Antoino McDyess, pf (FA)-Chris Wilcox, pf (FA)-Al Harrignton, pf (rstr). There maybe more but these are just a few that I think can have an impact on our team immediately.
Our lineups as it stands now
Felts-Dj
Bell-Hendo
Wallace-Radman-Brown
Diaw-Ajinca
Okafor-Diop-Nazr
dnbman
06-28-2009, 01:48 PM
Matt Barnes, sf (unres)-Brandon Bass, pf (un)- Charlie Villuneza, pf (restr)-Channing Frye pf/c (restr)-David Lee, pf (restr)-Quinton Ross, sf (FA)-AI, sg (FA)-Gerald Green, sg/sf (FA)-Flip Murray, sg (FA)-Rasheed Wallace, pf/c (FA)-Antoino McDyess, pf (FA)-Chris Wilcox, pf (FA)-Al Harrignton, pf (rstr). There maybe more but these are just a few that I think can have an impact on our team immediately.
Almost all of those guys are going to get more than the MLE, especially the PFs that could really help us.
Whoever we pick up will likely be:
1. Not be very appealing on the surface.
2. Have to be a guy that Brown can motivate and make better. (Otherwise, we'll be paying crap money for crap players.)
3. Be a legit PF unless we get some significant discount on a player at another position, like the rumored AI deal. (Which I still don't feel good about.)
I think Spectre mentioned resigning Sean May on the cheap, which might actually be our best alternative. Hopefully his literal hunger will make him hungry enough to get in shape and play some real basketball. I'm still considering him a basketball ghost until he proves otherwise.
BETCATS
06-28-2009, 01:52 PM
I went thru some un and restricted free agents and also free agents and came up with a list of players and was wondering on everyones thougts about them and how they can help us out. Feel free if you know of more to include them for this is our team and we know what is best. The real GM's of the NBA
Matt Barnes, sf (unres)-Brandon Bass, pf (un)- Charlie Villuneza, pf (restr)-Channing Frye pf/c (restr)-David Lee, pf (restr)-Quinton Ross, sf (FA)-AI, sg (FA)-Gerald Green, sg/sf (FA)-Flip Murray, sg (FA)-Rasheed Wallace, pf/c (FA)-Antoino McDyess, pf (FA)-Chris Wilcox, pf (FA)-Al Harrignton, pf (rstr). There maybe more but these are just a few that I think can have an impact on our team immediately.
Our lineups as it stands now
Felts-Dj
Bell-Hendo
Wallace-Radman-Brown
Diaw-Ajinca
Okafor-Diop-Nazr
The ones in bold are who i think we have a legit shot at getting. I would want Bass the most, as he is underused but proven, young, Larry Brown player.
Other free agents that could help the team:
Leon Powe
Big Baby Davis
Zaza Pauchilla
Ben Gordon
Ryan Hollins
Dahntay Jones
Chris Birdman Anderson
Walter Herman
Von Wafer
Hakim Warrick
Jamario Moon
Luther Head
Shelden Williams
Desmond Mason
Marcin Gortat
Rashard McCants
Cedric Simmons
Brevin Knight
Morris Almond
Bass and Frye are "look at" I suppose...Bass on the 6'8 size (I'd just as soon play D.Brown)...and any PF we bring in I'd want them to have some reasonable "face up" game...Frye has some but does not rebound like Bass...tough call but I think you hit the nail on who would be possible without much trouble...
addition...I'd rather bring Twiggy back than McMay but Mavs are probably going to try and keep at least one of Bass or Ryan...if not both...
jpf_v2.0
06-28-2009, 05:11 PM
Bass is someone that I think could help us out a lot, unfortunately since all we have available is the MLE & biannual exceptions, I think Dallas would match any offer we gave him. Though I'd love to be wrong.
Bobcat Matt
06-28-2009, 06:25 PM
Not sure how much he could help us, but I'd love to see us bring back Walter Herrmann. He never should've been traded in the first place in my opinion...He may not be a great defender, but he works his butt off trying. I think Larry could use him maybe 10-15 minutes a night and get some decent production...Plus the fans love FABIO
Black
06-28-2009, 06:56 PM
Hermann is indeed the man, but he is thinking about playing somewhere overseas. I would love to bring him back if we could.
davcbow
06-28-2009, 07:17 PM
Hermann is indeed the man, but he is thinking about playing somewhere overseas. I would love to bring him back if we could.
I liked Herrmann....:cool:
Not sure how much he could help us, but I'd love to see us bring back Walter Herrmann. He never should've been traded in the first place in my opinion...He may not be a great defender, but he works his butt off trying. I think Larry could use him maybe 10-15 minutes a night and get some decent production...Plus the fans love FABIO
I would LOVE Fabio back on the roster. I think that LB would totally love him and do great things with him.
The corner three. The post denial defense. The weak side baseline cuts. The drives while palming the ball.
Man, I miss that stuff.
I like Radman, but I really wish we had never made that trade, kept Ammo (he would have value as an expiring contract this season) and just signed Fabio on the cheap this summer. I think Fabio is better than Radman - and would have a whole lot less of an effect on our salary cap.
ohara831
06-28-2009, 07:57 PM
I'd like Fabio back too, but I think he's going back to Europe.
EvetsMorrison15
06-28-2009, 09:42 PM
Kyle Weaver looked really good.
AI, Fabio, Powe, Head, Wilcox, and Bass are on my shortlist right now.
But I'm open to whomever LB wants.
ohara831
06-28-2009, 10:46 PM
I was watching nba.com's reviews of our draft. David Aldridge and Eric Snow and the guys loved our draft. Then they start talking about AI coming to Charlotte. Everyone seems to feel he will sign with Charlotte and that with the draft picks adding solid depth, that AI will be the difference to help get us into the playoffs. You should go watch it, very interesting analysis.
I was watching nba.com's reviews of our draft. David Aldridge and Eric Snow and the guys loved our draft. Then they start talking about AI coming to Charlotte. Everyone seems to feel he will sign with Charlotte and that with the draft picks adding solid depth, that AI will be the difference to help get us into the playoffs. You should go watch it, very interesting analysis.
Well Eric Snow knows LB very well, so I think he'd be the better of the two to trust, but Aldridge was the first on the AI to Charlotte bandwagon.
x2pacalypse
06-28-2009, 11:01 PM
would we have a shot at getting birdman? he is the banger we covet and would take over for morrison as fan favorite
ohara831
06-28-2009, 11:02 PM
Teej:
That is exactly why I have some confidence that it may very well happen.
WarioVsMooChicken
06-28-2009, 11:31 PM
Get us AI and Fabio
I orgasm just thinking about it
I was watching nba.com's reviews of our draft. David Aldridge and Eric Snow and the guys loved our draft. Then they start talking about AI coming to Charlotte. Everyone seems to feel he will sign with Charlotte and that with the draft picks adding solid depth, that AI will be the difference to help get us into the playoffs. You should go watch it, very interesting analysis.
ohara...I watched it also and frankly it started to piss me off...instead of talking our draft guys up all three try to sell AI coming here...AI may or may not and I'd prefer not...but understand that all three of these guys are friends of AIs...AI is getting no bites from anyone and what DA said is true...AI needs us because it seems no one wants to touch him...
I know (we all know) the guy has talent...but hang with me a minute...we have a lot of young guys on this team and 1)I'd rather not have his attitude here...2)which one of our guards do you want him to take develop/play time from since he only wants to start..3)he just finished playing for two teams with arguably more talent and where did he get them...4)correct me if I'm wrong but did this guy park his butt on the bench his first year with Denver because he knew they were going out in that series...is that really what you want with the "character" guys we've brought in here to have to deal with?
I can only hope on this occasion (even if LB does want him) that MJ says no. I never saw MJ park his butt because he thought his team would lose a game...I don't want the guy here...
I'd rather that the analyst have talked more about our really good draft (which I think we had) and the guys we drafted and spent no time trying to sell their buddy to us because he's having a difficult time getting a new gig...the reason he's having a difficult time is because of who he is and the "extra" crap he brings...
jpf_v2.0
06-28-2009, 11:58 PM
AI, Fabio, Powe, Head, Wilcox, and Bass are on my shortlist right now.
But I'm open to whomever LB wants.
Why Luther Head?
mrtarheel
06-29-2009, 12:30 AM
I was laying around today and thought of a trade. How about we send Nazr to Oklahoma for Nick Collison and Dj White. Collison wasn't wanted at one time by the Thunder and for us he would be the banger and face up pf/c that we could use behind Diaw.
Good trade idea...but why would they do it and why would they throw in White? Nazr and Collison have about the same salary and both contracts end the same year...but Collison would probably be a good fit and he's a vet...pretty good rebounder but I don't remember much about his "D"...
amour217
06-29-2009, 08:32 AM
AI, Fabio, Powe, Head, Wilcox, and Bass are on my shortlist right now.
But I'm open to whomever LB wants.
lol Head is on your short list
would we have a shot at getting birdman? he is the banger we covet and would take over for morrison as fan favorite
Get Sean Williams instead. He'd be just as effective, is just as much of a pot head but would be much, much cheaper.
superb1
06-29-2009, 01:54 PM
Get us AI and Fabio
I orgasm just thinking about it
at this point i think i would too if we sign them
Why Luther Head?
Because I want Head! jk
But the fan stuff would be sweet, we still need some depth there, and he's a solid player.
jpf_v2.0
06-29-2009, 03:49 PM
Bass, Gooden, and Wilcox would be my first three calls.
davcbow
06-29-2009, 04:59 PM
Because I want Head! jk
Because your still a teenager there's probably no jk to it.....:biggrin:
Because your still a teenager there's probably no jk to it.....:biggrin:
Well that goes for almost everyone under 40
but not Luther's kind lmao.
rsxnova
06-29-2009, 05:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4295423
How much will Charlie V. command on the market?
SirBobcat
06-29-2009, 05:42 PM
Charlie Villanueva if he'll take the Mid Level Exception
ohara831
06-29-2009, 05:50 PM
I'd rather have Charlie V. sharing time with Diaw than Sheed. I think we could get him for less possibly. And he doesn't get as many technical fouls.
rsxnova
06-29-2009, 06:04 PM
I'd rather have Charlie V. sharing time with Diaw than Sheed. I think we could get him for less possibly. And he doesn't get as many technical fouls.
Plus Sheed will probably go to Orlando or Cleveland.
ohara831
06-29-2009, 06:05 PM
Sheed cost $13.5 mil last yr. For 12 pts and 7.4 reb.
Charlie V. cost $3.5 mil and got 16.2 pts and 6.7 reb
Not so sure Charlie would not give Diaw a run for the starting PF. But if we could afford him, that would give us 2 very solid PF's.
Wouldn't having Radman on the roster make the need for CV redundant?
Wouldn't having Radman on the roster make the need for CV redundant?
Radman is more of a 3 than a 4, whereas CV is a true 4 who has some semblance of a post game. Right?
Dead_Real
06-29-2009, 06:24 PM
Yea Charlie V is a true 4 I'd love to have him or my boy Frye like I've said before I just don't know if we could afford him for 1 and all he's talking about lately is how he wants to play with LeBron.
ohara831
06-29-2009, 06:25 PM
Wouldn't having Radman on the roster make the need for CV redundant?
And Radman cant give us near the production of Charlie V.
SWedd523
06-29-2009, 06:58 PM
Wouldn't having Radman on the roster make the need for CV redundant?
Different styles of play. Radman is pretty much a taller version of Carroll whereas CV operates mostly around the high post and in, but does have 3pt range when needed
ohara831
06-29-2009, 07:45 PM
Thruthefire at RGM was saying that the MLE is $4.6 for Charlie V. How could the Bucks not offer that for 16.2 pts and 6.7 reb.? Gosh, if we could come up with a way to get him, then forget AI. I'd live with Bell and Henderson as the main 2 SG's with Radman as a 3rd option if needed. But Diaw and Charlie V. would really give us a tandem at the PF position. That would give us very good depth on this team to follow the starters. We would be very much improved and I think have a very good shot at the Division.
Thruthefire at RGM was saying that the MLE is $4.6 for Charlie V. How could the Bucks not offer that for 16.2 pts and 6.7 reb.? Gosh, if we could come up with a way to get him, then forget AI. I'd live with Bell and Henderson as the main 2 SG's with Radman as a 3rd option if needed. But Diaw and Charlie V. would really give us a tandem at the PF position. That would give us very good depth on this team to follow the starters. We would be very much improved and I think have a very good shot at the Division.
4.6 for him? In a heartbeat. Thats like free candy for Lamar Odom or free drugs for the Birdman. That's nothing man. Do it Rod!
jpf_v2.0
06-29-2009, 08:09 PM
Thruthefire at RGM was saying that the MLE is $4.6 for Charlie V.
Do you mean QO?
davcbow
06-29-2009, 08:09 PM
Thruthefire at RGM was saying that the MLE is $4.6 for Charlie V. How could the Bucks not offer that for 16.2 pts and 6.7 reb.? Gosh, if we could come up with a way to get him, then forget AI. I'd live with Bell and Henderson as the main 2 SG's with Radman as a 3rd option if needed. But Diaw and Charlie V. would really give us a tandem at the PF position. That would give us very good depth on this team to follow the starters. We would be very much improved and I think have a very good shot at the Division.
Thats a good idea because everything we do from this point only makes our team better. My only concern is how much can we afford to spend with out the lux tax problem....:cool:
ohara831
06-29-2009, 08:34 PM
Do you mean QO?
Thanks. Yes, I mean QO. My bad.
rsxnova
06-29-2009, 08:37 PM
The bad thing is we will get leftovers by default. Sheed, CharlieV, and McDyess are going to sign with contenders before they even look at us.
ohara831
06-29-2009, 08:37 PM
Word is now that Cavs looking at CV, McDyess and Sheed. Hard to compete with them having a chance to play with King James, unless they fear he'll be gone in a year. Still, damn I want CV on this team.
ALong13
06-29-2009, 08:43 PM
I think Dontell Jefferson will be signed again and be our 3rd string PG...Coach brown seemed to like him...I also could see us going after Channing Frye or Charlie V since he's a unrestricted free agent now...McDyess or Rasheed Wallace...Though I think a PF is the biggest thing we'll go over...
jpf_v2.0
06-29-2009, 09:06 PM
According to storytellers.com, Jefferson is signed for next year. As is Singletary.
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm
According to storytellers.com, Jefferson is signed for next year. As is Singletary.
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm
Lil Sean? Seriously? Wow...
GoBobs
06-29-2009, 09:54 PM
Ron Artest
murphman
06-29-2009, 10:02 PM
Word is now that Cavs looking at CV, McDyess and Sheed. Hard to compete with them having a chance to play with King James, unless they fear he'll be gone in a year. Still, damn I want CV on this team.
Aren't the Cavs locked into about 70 million salary next season with only nine players on the roster (including their first round pick)?
What the....? I would be shocked if Ferry goes 10-20 million over the luxury tax but maybe he wants an all or nothing season.
I still think Orlando and Boston will have their number in the playoffs if all teams stay healthy.
jpf_v2.0
06-29-2009, 10:16 PM
Assuming that their first rounder signs & plays, and that Ilgauskas doesn't opt out & that Varejao does, they have 11 players under contract and are sitting right at 70 mill.
And that's not counting Danny Green who may or may not make the team as a 2nd rounder with what will be a non-guaranteed contract.
The 70 mill is 24 mill less than they paid in salary last year.
ALong13
06-29-2009, 10:25 PM
I thought Jefferson was signed for 2-years, but couldn't find proof anywhere...thought Sean was restricted...
I thought Jefferson was signed for 2-years, but couldn't find proof anywhere...thought Sean was restricted...
I thought Sean's was unguaranteed and Bonnell reported that Dontell has a team option for this year.
mrtarheel
06-29-2009, 11:32 PM
Here is the catch, we have to find someone who is willing to take Nazr and Radman. If we could get those two off the books for for Ben Wallace and let him retire that would be great. I think all the up level teams are going to be looking at the older players instead of the younger ones. CV is going to be looking long term and they are in a win now mode where as we could give him a longer deal than they would want to. If you were offered me about 3yr/5mil and the next offers 4yrs/6mill, who wins? Either way it goes the more out there the better off we will be.
jpf_v2.0
06-29-2009, 11:35 PM
Singletary's is listed as a team option. Jefferson's is listed as fully guaranteed.
ESPN's free agency listing seems to verify this...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=freeagents-09-10
Singletary's is listed as a team option. Jefferson's is listed as fully guaranteed.
ESPN's free agency listing seems to verify this...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=freeagents-09-10
Guess Bonnell was wrong.
I don't see why we'd bring back both though...
CV would be a nice pick-up but we're going to have good teams going after him...but who knows...maybe he'll want to come here and play with his buddy EO50...
mrtarheel
06-30-2009, 10:52 PM
Eric Pincus:
He'd be a nice acquisition offensively but Charlie may want a long-term deal and but Rasheed Wallace may be a better candidate on a short-term deal, since he's a much, much better defender.
Found this in a hoopsworld chat in which they were talking about him going to Cleveland. Coming to Charlotte he would be assured of playing time, on a young and growing team, and possibly set for the next 3 to 4 yrs. I'm not yet sold on the idea of AI but if we could get CV or CF (Channing Frye) AI becomes that much more intriging.
ammofan
06-30-2009, 10:54 PM
Eric Pincus:
He'd be a nice acquisition offensively but Charlie may want a long-term deal and but Rasheed Wallace may be a better candidate on a short-term deal, since he's a much, much better defender.
Found this in a hoopsworld chat in which they were talking about him going to Cleveland. Coming to Charlotte he would be assured of playing time, on a young and growing team, and possibly set for the next 3 to 4 yrs. I'm not yet sold on the idea of AI but if we could get CV or CF (Channing Frye) AI becomes that much more intriging.
We will only sign one 'big' FA. No way we could get CV or CF and THEN sign AI.
mrtarheel
06-30-2009, 11:41 PM
We will only sign one 'big' FA. No way we could get CV or CF and THEN sign AI.
Then sign CV and call it a day. That works for me, just get it done already! It's after 12.00a.m. Has he signed yet.
Then sign CV and call it a day. That works for me, just get it done already! It's after 12.00a.m. Has he signed yet.
Teams with a real chance to win it all next year are talking with him and he's going to listen to them first...I'd like CV here but I think our chances are slim and none unless we over-pay and I'd rather not...
Denver is also talking with C. Frye so I think it would be difficult for us to get him...but I've not heard (other than the media trying to push AI on us) that we've contacted anyone...?
ohara831
07-01-2009, 10:27 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60244/20090701/gordon_villanueva_land_in_detroit/
Well, this would totally suck. Just flat out suck.
hope they don't overpay them because then gutting the team and making room for great free agents will have been for nothing. save your room for next year. by hope they don't overpay, i really mean hope they sign them to terrible contracts so they can't get really good next year.
ohara831
07-01-2009, 11:15 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60244/20090701/gordon_villanueva_land_in_detroit/
Well, this would totally suck. Just flat out suck.
But why would Ben Gordon be thinking of Detroit when they have Rip - unless Detroit is considering dealing Rip?
polarcat
07-01-2009, 11:21 AM
they can have gordon just PLEASE pass on charlie v. and let him re-unite with emeka. i'm surprised at the lack of deals considering it's almost noon. i know they can't sign officially for another week, but still.
110oldeast
07-01-2009, 01:11 PM
We definitely need clarity on what we are doing with Juwan, Nazr, and other guys. I agree that we can stand to get another PF, but I also agree with teej's concept of a guy like Luther Head. I still think we need a 2g who can be counted on to knock down the perimeter shot BEYOND Raja. Look at the teams who have advance in the Playoffs lately and they have all had multiple guys to be able to knock down the outside shot and SPREAD THE FLOOR on the wings.
Unless LB is going to change his stripes and start pushing the ball a lot more, a team full of athletes with minimal wing shooters is not ideal. Halfcourt offenses are successful b/c of perimeter shooting threats on the wings that spread the floor for offense initiators or post up guys. We've got a good set of athletes. We need to make sure whoever else we bring in can knock down the jumper.
As for the frontcourt guys, if we really just need a guy who will be rugged, I definitely not against bringing back a cheap guy like Voskuhl who will lay the wood on a foul but knock down a jumper. I am against guys like Dalembert as long as we keep Mek and Diop as well. There can't be 2 and a half guys devoid of offensive skill in the frontcourt.
If you look at LB's successful Pistons teams, they had ONE pure defensive guy with minimal offensive ability in Ben Wallace. The other guys like Sheed, Okur, McDyess, etc. all brought offensive ability, including face up shooting ability. Charlie V would be a nice fit if you could find a way to make it happen and if the team got him to buy in enough defensively. I just don't know that he was really attainable to us.
Finally, on the Singletary/Jefferson front, I'm all for keeping Dontell and letting lil' Sean go if we plan to keep Felton. Obviously, if we let Felton go, I still say keep Dontell and hold on to lil' Sean unless a better veteran pg is available.
someone who gets it. well said.
SWedd523
07-01-2009, 07:52 PM
Well Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva have both signed with Detroit. Scratch those two off the wishlist.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301111
ohara831
07-01-2009, 08:01 PM
Crap. There goes the PF I wanted. Oh well. Going on vacation now and not much to look forward to news wise over the next couple weeks.
Hey guys....Boston didn't extend their QO to Leon Powe. We can probably sign him on the cheap. Then maybe add another 2 guard for depth? Then call it a day?
SWedd523
07-01-2009, 11:21 PM
Hey guys....Boston didn't extend their QO to Leon Powe. We can probably sign him on the cheap. Then maybe add another 2 guard for depth? Then call it a day?
I honestly only see us signing one guy at the MLE as our salary is already above the limit.
I honestly only see us signing one guy at the MLE as our salary is already above the limit.
I could see him going for the Bi-annual or low-level or w/e the hell it's called, cheapo.
He's likely going to miss the first part of the season, so we could get him AND someone else for depth below the MLE
SWedd523
07-01-2009, 11:38 PM
I could see him going for the Bi-annual or low-level or w/e the hell it's called, cheapo.
He's likely going to miss the first part of the season, so we could get him AND someone else for depth below the MLE
Well Powe doesn't deserve the MLE anyway, more like about 2mil. I just don't see us taking on a low level salary like that after we've stated we won't add
Well Powe doesn't deserve the MLE anyway, more like about 2mil. I just don't see us taking on a low level salary like that after we've stated we won't add
If we could find a buyer for Diop, then we could easily afford it. But if it's 2 mil, then he could be had cheaply for what he does, and it could be presented to Bob as "THis is the piece to get us into the playoffs, which gets more than 2 million"
which he is.
SWedd523
07-01-2009, 11:47 PM
If we could find a buyer for Diop, then we could easily afford it. But if it's 2 mil, then he could be had cheaply for what he does, and it could be presented to Bob as "THis is the piece to get us into the playoffs, which gets more than 2 million"
which he is.
Powe is a good energy guy on a great team. On a team like ours he's mediocre. If we had the cap space to sign him for $2mil or less then I'd go for it. But I really doubt we'll pull that. Besides, I'd really rather stay away from guys with knee problems.
He's definitely not our missing piece though dude lol
Powe is a good energy guy on a great team. On a team like ours he's mediocre. If we had the cap space to sign him for $2mil or less then I'd go for it. But I really doubt we'll pull that. Besides, I'd really rather stay away from guys with knee problems.
He's definitely not our missing piece though dude lol
He plays through pain, and have you seen what he does?
He put up 20 on the Cavs in 26 minutes...thats the 2nd best team in the East according to the playoffs, 1st according to the experts. He put up 20+ 3 times, 10+ 25 times. His per36 numbers have him averaging a double double. Better than Mek. He's a better version of Nazzy in that when he plays, the dude lights up the board. And he plays with more heart than Raja. And I don't say that lightly. Normally Swedd, I defer to you on scouting, but I've watched this kid a lot more than you, and he's the real deal.
And those knees only keep him out when he has to be out. He'll gut it out more than anyone in any sport since Ronnie Lott in the 90's, who, oh by the way, had part of his finger amputated to play football.
He's not the smartest kid, but he's the toughest, and he has more physical talent in the paint than anyone on this team. Sorry, but that's reality. Bob Ryan said the same thing about him on the Celtics. I'm not alone here. I'd pay him 5 mil and consider it a steal. He could start on a championship team.
Sorry for rambling, but when you say stuff like that I get fired up and go on tangents. I'm sure you're better at repressing it when I do that than me.
SWedd523
07-02-2009, 12:11 AM
It's not that I don't believe he can fight through the pain, it's that he has to deal with the pain to begin with. I'd rather spend the money on somebody who didn't have a season ending injury. :shrug:
And you really can't quote per36 numbers man, I see that line being thrown around like nobody's business. Anybody can play good in limited minutes and have that bloat their per36 numbers.
A good question might be what FA would be likely to sign with us (and leave AI out of it since he has a thread dedicated) that could make a major impact/upgrade to the team?
davcbow
07-02-2009, 01:41 AM
I trust LB to do whats best for the team....:cool:
Marvel
07-02-2009, 02:18 AM
I trust LB to do whats best for the team....:cool:
Second that......... and add 1 rep to the thingy
It's not that I don't believe he can fight through the pain, it's that he has to deal with the pain to begin with. I'd rather spend the money on somebody who didn't have a season ending injury. :shrug:
And you really can't quote per36 numbers man, I see that line being thrown around like nobody's business. Anybody can play good in limited minutes and have that bloat their per36 numbers.
Except he ingnores the pain and would give us something that no one else in his price range can.
And he averaged almost 20 mpg last year...thats not too shabby for an "energy guy." He also started 7 games...
ohara831
07-03-2009, 12:28 PM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/814231.html
If the chips fall just right....
spectre
07-05-2009, 08:30 AM
How bad would you guys hate a Bass/Dampier for Mek/Nazr trade?
I can see management doing it; Dampier is basically an expiring (he has targets to hit in order to guarantee the 2nd year and they're almost impossible). We'd end up saving a HUGE amount of money...in '10 we're talking around 12-14 million alone AND we would probably have the room for a max FA...not that we could lure one here.
How bad would you guys hate a Bass/Dampier for Mek/Nazr trade?
I don't think it is a good idea to give Mek away for an expiring contract...I think we could do better...and with teams having trouble finding 5s I think Nazr will be a help...Bass for Nazr in a sign and trade for Bass would be fine with me but take Mek out of this one IMO...
Bonnell has contacted Bass's agent to confirm our interest...speaks a little about sign and trade with Mavs...
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/07/a-wee-bit-of-news-on-brandon-bass.html
SWedd523
07-05-2009, 01:10 PM
It would honestly depend on how much we think we can do with that cap space. If we did it strictly to save money then no because Diop would be our only Center next year.
If we do it knowing LB has enough pull to get a big(ger) guy in the trade market this year or next summer then hell yeah.
dav7z
07-05-2009, 02:22 PM
Looking at the values of thease free agents . I see some very good value for the money and all so see some players over valued big time .
If Felton gets the same money as his value states we got to let him walk.
Would love to pick up Wilcox , Frye, Davis, Verigio, if they can be aquired for that kind of going price. I would even take a chance om May for another year if hes in shape .
Thoughts on thease values and who do you think would bring the most for the buck.
All so your thoughts on Feltns value?
http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/804/20090703/how_much_is_this_year/s_free_agent_class_worth/
watched may thursday night in durham. he is not in any kind of nba shape. sad though, he has an unbelievably soft touch and a great 13 foot turn around fade from the low post area.
Demon DeaCat
07-05-2009, 03:04 PM
How bad would you guys hate a Bass/Dampier for Mek/Nazr trade?
I can see management doing it; Dampier is basically an expiring (he has targets to hit in order to guarantee the 2nd year and they're almost impossible). We'd end up saving a HUGE amount of money...in '10 we're talking around 12-14 million alone AND we would probably have the room for a max FA...not that we could lure one here.
I think your last statement is the key. I think you're right that it's unlikely we'd land a top tier FA here, therefore this deal would basically be like giving Mek away for nothing. The cap space does us no good if it doesn't translate into a productive player. I wouldn't do this one.
spectre
07-05-2009, 03:17 PM
I'm not advocating for this but I think I forsee something like this coming.
Supposedly we offered Mek + Nazr for the 2nd overall pick. Personally I think Bass will end up having more of an impact than Thabeet will...so theoretically this is a similar deal (we lose the salary next season vs. this one).
I think if something isn't done along these lines LB is going to be limited with what he can do with this roster and he knows that. He only has what, 3 more years at best...and we're tied to this roster for at least the next 2 years.
No, we most likely won't get a bigtime FA, but with the space LB can get what he needs for us to succeed and at least become a 2nd/3rd round playoff team.
i would have taken that in a heartbeat if i was memphis.
ammofan
07-05-2009, 04:30 PM
Where did u hear we offered Okafor/Nazr for #2?
Where did u hear we offered Okafor/Nazr for #2?
It was published in a story abou the Grizzlies...
spectre
07-05-2009, 04:40 PM
i would have taken that in a heartbeat if i was memphis.
If they were trying to win I agree. I saw an article written a week or so ago tho that spelled out how a team can break even/turn a profit without trying to win and they used the Griz as the primary focus.
If we were willing to dump that salary for Thabeet I have to think it'll cross management's minds to do the same for Bass...esp. if an expiring that could help next year comes along too in Dampier.
If we were willing to dump that salary for Thabeet I have to think it'll cross management's minds to do the same for Bass...esp. if an expiring that could help next year comes along too in Dampier.
Spectre...I know you touched briefly on the EO50/Nazr trade but in that deal we would have gotten back a more effective big for us (M. Gasol) IMO than Erica...I know we all over/under value our guys all the time...and I know that cap flexability to great but we know we will not get a top tier FA next year...
With that in mind let me speak to what we did last season with what little cap flex we had...brought in Diop and Vlad and now LB and the FO wants to rid themselves of them...I do think you under-value LBs ability to fall into and out of love with players too quickly...and frankly I'm not sure that LB and the FO (at this point in time) can/will be any more effective with cap space...
spectre
07-05-2009, 05:28 PM
Nah we wouldn't have gotten Gasol. According to the Memphis paper we offered up Mek & Nazr for the 2nd overall pick. Gasol wasn't mentioned.
Maybe you're thinking of that trade idea a Memphis fan floated back when they were slated for the 4th pick (before the lottery)...I think the TI was Mek for Gasol + 4th.
What makes you think we want to get rid of Gana? I think their willingness to offer Mek up in that Memphis trade along with Nazr just reinforces that they (as of now) are committed to him.
I think Vlad was a "make the best out of a bad situation" move. We wanted to make the playoffs last year and there's no argument that Vlad helped more than Morrison. He's a stopgap and management (rightfully so IMO) should look to do better than him.
In regards to LB falling in and out of love...boy I know it! Thing with Mek though it's the same thing now as it was 2 & 3 seasons ago. No passion, no agression for the game. I doubt LB has ever fallen "in love" with him.
Scottley Crue
07-05-2009, 05:36 PM
Nah we wouldn't have gotten Gasol. According to the Memphis paper we offered up Mek & Nazr for the 2nd overall pick. Gasol wasn't mentioned.
Maybe you're thinking of that trade idea a Memphis fan floated back when they were slated for the 4th pick (before the lottery)...I think the TI was Mek for Gasol + 4th.
What makes you think we want to get rid of Gana? I think their willingness to offer Mek up in that Memphis trade along with Nazr just reinforces that they (as of now) are committed to him.
I think Vlad was a "make the best out of a bad situation" move. We wanted to make the playoffs last year and there's no argument that Vlad helped more than Morrison. He's a stopgap and management (rightfully so IMO) should look to do better than him.
In regards to LB falling in and out of love...boy I know it! Thing with Mek though it's the same thing now as it was 2 & 3 seasons ago. No passion, no agression for the game. I doubt LB has ever fallen "in love" with him.
I especially agree with the last part here. Think back to the end of the season when LB said that he'd like to Mek to get an "A" in basketball and not just stretching and yoga. As LB clearly put it last season, he's far more interesting in Mek "grabbing the g**d**n ball" and dunking it than his stretching routine. So I can easily see them moving him for something they want. He does do a good job and can command a decent return. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go.
I do think you under-value LBs ability to fall into and out of love with players too quickly...
Heh, just look at Lil Sean, Vladi, Gana, Bling, and Nazzy vs. Ray, Crash, and Dontell.
spectre
07-06-2009, 10:48 PM
Free Agent Buzz (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15920813)
The Wizards (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/WAS) are pursuing Antonio McDyess (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/6690), but word is he's heading back to the Pistons (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/DET). A decision from 'Dyess is coming soon, according to a source, and it appears to be between Detroit and San Antonio. Blazers restricted free agent Channing Frye (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/555944) could be a fallback option for Washington. But according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Cavs are the latest team to meet with Frye, who also has drawn interest from Denver, Phoenix, and San Antonio.
Other stuff in there, but I only posted the stuff about McDyess because we're rumored to be interested and I know some fans have mentioned Frye.
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