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SWedd523
06-29-2009, 10:33 PM
Yes this is insanely early for this, but hey... I like to get a leg up on the competition.
This is something I've done for the past few years. I've made a Big Board of guys that are the Best (my top picks for the Bobcats). I also pick "sleepers"--players that most don't know about, but show up and surprise by the end of the year.
Last year I had Blake Griffin (understandably) and the top of the list, but James Harden was right there behind him, and we know how many of us wanted him.
My sleeper list included players like Jodie Meeks (miss), Craig Brackins (didn't enter), Willie Warren (didn't enter), and James Johnson (hit).
I will be running a Big Board (Knowing full well that we may not even retain our pick) starting today that I will be updating and editing as the season progresses. Please feel free to add players to my list or even make your own. Let's get a head start on the prospects!
SWedd523
06-29-2009, 11:12 PM
Top 5 Players who will likely NOT be available
John Wall, PG -- I know he's a PG, but you simply cannot pass on a player of his caliber; if even for trade rights. Look for him to have a Derrick Rose type of Freshman season next year for Kentucky
Derrick Favors, PF -- this kid (he's only 17) is a less athletic Blake Griffin. He finishes everything in the paint offensively and gets just about every rebound defensively. His biggest knock is his footwork, but at only 17 years old.. I'm sure he can work on that.
Willie Warren, SG -- arguably the best Freshman in the country this past year and one of my sleeper picks for last year. This kid can flat out score the ball. He's basically a bigger Jodie Meeks
Ed Davis, PF -- I want this guy on our team. He has more potential than any other young post player in the country and would have been a top 5 pick had he come out this year. This guy will be talked about A LOT.
Cole Aldrich, PF/C -- opened my eyes in the 2008 tournament when Kansas smacked UNC around. He had a great year and has now placed himself in the lottery for next year's Draft. I look at him as a more skilled (re: bigger), but less tenacious Tyler Hansbrough. I don't necessarily think he deserves to be placed this high, but who knows
Dead_Real
06-29-2009, 11:57 PM
I've seen Wall ball a couple of times in person kid is the truth.
davcbow
07-01-2009, 12:29 AM
I found this tonight about who they think will be #1 in next years draft...:cool:
http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=959971
SWedd523
07-01-2009, 12:54 AM
Top 5 players who may be available
Craig Brackins, PF -- My personal "James Harden" pick this year. This is the guy I want, no matter what. This is my current favorite college ball player. He's a 20/10 guy who will only improve next year. The only thing keeping him in our range is playing on a crappy team. Thank God!
Tyshawn Taylor, PG/SG -- Didn't get much burn last year for Kansas, but has arguably been the best player on the U19 World Championship team. This kid has been compared to Jrue Holiday, so we can make TheBeagle happy and pick him next year. Taylor makes Ray expendable due to his size and versatility and he really excels on the defensive end--Two things LB loves
Avery Bradley, SG -- I'm willing to bet nobody knows about him, but Bradley can flat out SCORE. He willl either attack the rim or use his buttery smooth jumper to shoot it from outside. Raja is on his way out and we need somebody who can put up some volume scoring as Bo doesn't really have that potential
Tyler Smith, SF -- NBADraft compares him to Josh Howard. I look at him as a younger Crash with just about the same skills. Smith is an elite athlete and has plenty of size to guard the better wings of the NBA. His offensive game mostly consists of slashing and midrange, but lacks a consistent outside shot (sound familiar?). This guy is made for the NBA.
Jarvis Varnardo, PF -- At 6'9", he isn't super tall, but he's long and athletic and has been the best shot blocker in the country over the last few years (Thabeet included). He's not afraid to stay in the paint and get his hands dirty. He's that banger type that would be great coming off the bench for us
jpf_v2.0
07-01-2009, 12:58 AM
Worst thing about next years draft is the pick we owe Minnesota (via Denver) is only top 12 protected.
SWedd523
07-01-2009, 01:02 AM
Worst thing about next years draft is the pick we owe Minnesota (via Denver) is only top 12 protected.
That's what makes the Ajinca trade look bad (sorry Beagle)....
But here's to hoping we can get some type of pick in the top 20. If we do, I guarantee we will have something nice to put in our young corps (sic) of players
If we could get Varnardo I'd be really happy. He plays bigger than 6'9, nobody knows about him since he's in the SEC, and he works his ass off.
August Us Seazr
07-30-2009, 08:26 PM
Swedd, where do you see Greg Monroe fitting in with the '10 draft? Coming out or staying put? And how far down the list from the Top 5 would he be positioned?
SWedd523
07-31-2009, 09:55 AM
Swedd, where do you see Greg Monroe fitting in with the '10 draft? Coming out or staying put? And how far down the list from the Top 5 would he be positioned?
If Monroe would've came out this year then he would have been a top 5 pick. Next year might not be the same for him. If he puts up the same type of numbers he did in his Freshman season, he'll likely be a mid lottery selection (depending on the team).
Assuming everybody comes out next year there will be a huge group of hyped big men from Favors and Aldrich to Motiejunas and my two Tar Heels Davis and Henson. So he's going to have to improve (and I think he will) if he wants to be a top 5 pick.
One thing is for certain. If we keep our selection next year, we're going to get a highly talented and impactful player.
One thing is for certain. If we keep our selection next year, we're going to get a highly talented and impactful player.
That's what they said about Kwame Brown and Sam Bowie...:rolleyes:
SWedd523
07-31-2009, 05:58 PM
That's what they said about Kwame Brown and Sam Bowie...:rolleyes:
I must be missing something?
August Us Seazr
07-31-2009, 09:12 PM
Never better said, Swedd. If the talent pool is that deep, this will be the year to get our power forward position solidified.
I must be missing something?
That they'd be highly talented and impactful. Same for Darko, AmMo, DeJuan Wagner, Stromile Swift, Darius Miles, Marcus Fizer, and Jonathan Bender, among many others. It's a crapshoot, even at #1.
SWedd523
08-01-2009, 11:02 AM
That they'd be highly talented and impactful. Same for Darko, AmMo, DeJuan Wagner, Stromile Swift, Darius Miles, Marcus Fizer, and Jonathan Bender, among many others. It's a crapshoot, even at #1.
Well duh? There's bound to be busts every year.. but that doesn't change the fact that next year will be LOADED with talent.
Especially at the PF/C positions
SWedd523
08-01-2009, 11:07 AM
Never better said, Swedd. If the talent pool is that deep, this will be the year to get our power forward position solidified.
Definitely. And the good thing about it is there are all sorts of different playing styles.
You have people like Aldrich who will bang and play tough and get rebounds. Then you have guys like Favors and Davis who are so athletically gifted that they show 20/10 potential.
and THEN you see guys like Motiejunas (my new sleeper pick) that is a legit 7 footer but has range (Hello Dirk).
There's going to be a smorgasbord of talent!
JamieMcNeill
11-19-2009, 06:47 PM
Alright Swedd. Im ready to start looking at college players with you again. But first can you explain to me the deal with our pick? What does it mean top 12 protected?
SWedd523
11-19-2009, 07:31 PM
Alright Swedd. Im ready to start looking at college players with you again. But first can you explain to me the deal with our pick? What does it mean top 12 protected?
When we traded Ajinca for the future first round pick, it was protected to a certain range. The first year, it was something like top 20 protected, this year its top 12, next year it'll be higher.
In order to keep our pick, we have to be 1-12. Anything after, we lose it to the Timberwolves (I think they're the ones that own it now).
JamieMcNeill
11-19-2009, 09:16 PM
When we traded Ajinca for the future first round pick, it was protected to a certain range. The first year, it was something like top 20 protected, this year its top 12, next year it'll be higher.
In order to keep our pick, we have to be 1-12. Anything after, we lose it to the Timberwolves (I think they're the ones that own it now).
Gotcha. So we have to be at about where we were last year. So if we make the playoffs or are the next best team to not we will be rewarded with no pick. nice.
SWedd523
11-19-2009, 09:23 PM
Gotcha. So we have to be at about where we were last year. So if we make the playoffs or are the next best team to not we will be rewarded with no pick. nice.
Exactly, and it blows because this years draft is so deep
JamieMcNeill
11-20-2009, 02:25 PM
Exactly, and it blows because this years draft is so deep
I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
TattoodCats4life
11-28-2009, 08:57 PM
What does everyone think of Miles Plumlee, I saw a hair of the Uconn Duke game and he seemed pretty good. Draft express doesnt say much about him, they seem hot on his brother for the 2011 draft though putting him in at 17.
SWedd523
11-29-2009, 02:52 AM
What does everyone think of Miles Plumlee, I saw a hair of the Uconn Duke game and he seemed pretty good. Draft express doesnt say much about him, they seem hot on his brother for the 2011 draft though putting him in at 17.
I've seen two Duke games this year and in both games I saw him pick up quick fouls back to back after doing something stupid on offense. His man would score on him and the next time down the court he'd get caught with a stupid foul.
He has too much attitude and not enough talent for my liking.
tamburello
11-29-2009, 07:06 AM
Exactly, and it blows because this years draft is so deep
It doesn't matter to me, I'd like to see us making playoffs and be swept in the first round rather than missing playoffs and keeping the pick whatsoever.
SWedd523
11-29-2009, 08:04 PM
It doesn't matter to me, I'd like to see us making playoffs and be swept in the first round rather than missing playoffs and keeping the pick whatsoever.
So would I, but we still run the risk of being a 30-35 win team and missing the playoffs AND missing out on this draft because of the pick protection. That would definitely blow.
ohara831
12-01-2009, 02:00 PM
Something I just read on ESPN that I did not know. The Knicks had, under Issiah Thomas, traded away their 2010 1st round to Utah. Unconditional. The Jazz could wind up with a Top 3 pick from the Knicks. And I thought our FO made a bad deal on Lexy. Wow.
jdub28
12-02-2009, 03:27 AM
My CHA Big Board would be...
1. Ed Davis (Dream scenario but oh well.)
2. Arnett Moultrie (Might be even bigger of a reach but seems to be the only NBA sized PF with a face up game this year.)
3. DeMarcus Cousins (Most realistic pick if we miss the playoffs and end up in the top 12, he relies to much on his strength in college and needs some offensive moves.)
4. Larry Sanders ( He needs some weight on him but otherwise it's like someone cloned Ben Wallace.)
5. Michael Washington (Powerful offensive PF that can hit 3s, he isn't the best defensive player but he is freakishly athletic and fast for his size.)
Sleeper: JaJuan Johnson (Maybe won't be a sleeper by the end of the year, but right now no one even talks about him.)
Perfect Scenario: Deon Thompson (If we make a deep playoff run, there isn't much size at the back of the draft. I think the Center from Syracuse is the only guy over 6'10 that will be overlooked. So we go with a homer and a spark plug on offense. At the very least having him will allow Diop to play more and even out the offense.)
JamieMcNeill
12-06-2009, 12:16 PM
My CHA Big Board would be...
1. Ed Davis (Dream scenario but oh well.)
2. Arnett Moultrie (Might be even bigger of a reach but seems to be the only NBA sized PF with a face up game this year.)
3. DeMarcus Cousins (Most realistic pick if we miss the playoffs and end up in the top 12, he relies to much on his strength in college and needs some offensive moves.)
4. Larry Sanders ( He needs some weight on him but otherwise it's like someone cloned Ben Wallace.)
5. Michael Washington (Powerful offensive PF that can hit 3s, he isn't the best defensive player but he is freakishly athletic and fast for his size.)
Sleeper: JaJuan Johnson (Maybe won't be a sleeper by the end of the year, but right now no one even talks about him.)
Perfect Scenario: Deon Thompson (If we make a deep playoff run, there isn't much size at the back of the draft. I think the Center from Syracuse is the only guy over 6'10 that will be overlooked. So we go with a homer and a spark plug on offense. At the very least having him will allow Diop to play more and even out the offense.)
Deon Thompson may be the homer pick but he has skills. Great low post offense and defense combined with a newly developed outside shot. This year his fadeaway has developed into a devastating shot also. I dont understand why nobody is talking about him for the draft. Also he has that intensity and rebounding ability we need.
SWedd523
12-06-2009, 05:07 PM
Deon Thompson may be the homer pick but he has skills. Great low post offense and defense combined with a newly developed outside shot. This year his fadeaway has developed into a devastating shot also. I dont understand why nobody is talking about him for the draft. Also he has that intensity and rebounding ability we need.
I've been a fan of Thompson for ages. I've always thought he was the better post player when compared to Hansbrough. He just never got the touches.
I remember his freshman year when him and Stephenson (who is playing well at USC from what I hear) would get on the floor and I KNEW Deon would be something special. When Hansbrough went down last year he averaged something like 17/10. This year he's doing much of the same even with Davis getting a ton of burn and players like Zeller (who is also going to be a monster before too long) taking minutes away.
He won't be a lottery pick just because he isn't as flashy and doesn't have the same upside, but I have a feeling he's going to be a very solid pick, a la David West
JamieMcNeill
12-06-2009, 11:53 PM
I've been a fan of Thompson for ages. I've always thought he was the better post player when compared to Hansbrough. He just never got the touches.
I remember his freshman year when him and Stephenson (who is playing well at USC from what I hear) would get on the floor and I KNEW Deon would be something special. When Hansbrough went down last year he averaged something like 17/10. This year he's doing much of the same even with Davis getting a ton of burn and players like Zeller (who is also going to be a monster before too long) taking minutes away.
He won't be a lottery pick just because he isn't as flashy and doesn't have the same upside, but I have a feeling he's going to be a very solid pick, a la David West
I dont want this to turn in to a UNC thread but i noticed you mentioned Zeller? any chance he comes out this year? thats the kind of guy that would be awesome to grab late in the draft.
SWedd523
12-07-2009, 12:27 AM
I dont want this to turn in to a UNC thread but i noticed you mentioned Zeller? any chance he comes out this year? thats the kind of guy that would be awesome to grab late in the draft.
I doubt it. He's coming off the bench and doesn't really get many minutes. I don't really see him entering the draft until next year at the earliest when he becomes a starter with Davis and Thompson both in this years draft.
Just to be a homer. Next years team is looking like the Championship favorite once again
Larry Drew, Reggie Bullock, Harrison Barnes, John Henson, Tyler Zeller..... damn
JamieMcNeill
12-07-2009, 02:45 PM
I doubt it. He's coming off the bench and doesn't really get many minutes. I don't really see him entering the draft until next year at the earliest when he becomes a starter with Davis and Thompson both in this years draft.
Just to be a homer. Next years team is looking like the Championship favorite once again
Larry Drew, Reggie Bullock, Harrison Barnes, John Henson, Tyler Zeller..... damn
I cant help but be a homer!
They are going to be soooo young and soooo good. Dont forget Strickland also. I like Drew but at this point if Strickland matures even a little I could see him being better. That team will be loaded next year, I cant wait till January 20 to see if I get into UNC- i want to see a National Championship my freshman year!
SWedd523
12-07-2009, 03:08 PM
I cant help but be a homer!
They are going to be soooo young and soooo good. Dont forget Strickland also. I like Drew but at this point if Strickland matures even a little I could see him being better. That team will be loaded next year, I cant wait till January 20 to see if I get into UNC- i want to see a National Championship my freshman year!
I don't consider Strickland to be a PG though. Drew is maturing fast and will be the "veteran" on that team. Can't have too many young players out there.
Drew/Bullock/Barnes/Henson/Zeller for the first unit
Strickland/McDonald/Graves/Wear/Wear for the second unit
That's seriously 10 deep. Wowzers
JamieMcNeill
12-08-2009, 08:52 AM
I don't consider Strickland to be a PG though. Drew is maturing fast and will be the "veteran" on that team. Can't have too many young players out there.
Drew/Bullock/Barnes/Henson/Zeller for the first unit
Strickland/McDonald/Graves/Wear/Wear for the second unit
That's seriously 10 deep. Wowzers
Yea on the note of drafting again. Everyone better watch out for Henson. He is only strength (and maybe a refined shooting touch) away from being a game changer. He has that 4/5 size with the 3/4 athleticism and skills. Once Roy gets him on the Hansbrough workout schedule- look out! Have you see some of the blocks hes had? In the words of a wise man- Redonkulous!
Chrystos
12-19-2009, 05:00 PM
Do you think we can trade someone like Diop or Diaw for a good high pick.:confused:
Do you think we can trade someone like Diop or Diaw for a good high pick.:confused:
...kinda doubtful (unless we take a bad contract back) at this point...
SCBobcat
01-16-2010, 03:29 PM
Dude, I am watching this GT v. UNC game and Lawal is making Ed Davis look like a middle schooler. No kidding though, as I am typing this Ed grabs a big rebound and gets a dunk putback and1 to cut GT's lead to 10. Lawal's big advantage today is his physical strength. We need someone with that strength inside.
I watched him (Lawal) against Duke and he looks like a solid PF prospect...problem for us will be he goes in the first round...and we have no first round pick...at this point...always a chance we could buy one but that means BJ has to spring what...2 million...don't know if he will...
How about that Will Graves kid :p He was DRILLING it from wayyyy beyond the arc
SWedd523
01-17-2010, 04:06 PM
Don't like him. Hardly consistent, and doesn't bring much to the table other than shooting.
Don't like him. Hardly consistent, and doesn't bring much to the table other than shooting.
Which we could use.
And aren't all shooters inconsistant?
SWedd523
01-17-2010, 05:53 PM
Which we could use.
And aren't all shooters inconsistant?
In recent years, Redick, Mcalarney, Abrams, Ellington.... none were inconsistent by any stretch of the imagination. Graves will disappear for 5 games then come back and score 10.
For example, both Ray Allen and Ben Gordon are great shooters. Ben is inconsistent (streak shooter) as opposed to true shooter (Ray). If we're looking for a role playing shooter, then we should pick up Kyle from the D League.
GoBobs
01-17-2010, 11:24 PM
Top 5 players who may be available
Craig Brackins, PF -- My personal "James Harden" pick this year. This is the guy I want, no matter what. This is my current favorite college ball player. He's a 20/10 guy who will only improve next year. The only thing keeping him in our range is playing on a crappy team. Thank God!
Tyshawn Taylor, PG/SG -- Didn't get much burn last year for Kansas, but has arguably been the best player on the U19 World Championship team. This kid has been compared to Jrue Holiday, so we can make TheBeagle happy and pick him next year. Taylor makes Ray expendable due to his size and versatility and he really excels on the defensive end--Two things LB loves
Avery Bradley, SG -- I'm willing to bet nobody knows about him, but Bradley can flat out SCORE. He willl either attack the rim or use his buttery smooth jumper to shoot it from outside. Raja is on his way out and we need somebody who can put up some volume scoring as Bo doesn't really have that potential
Tyler Smith, SF -- NBADraft compares him to Josh Howard. I look at him as a younger Crash with just about the same skills. Smith is an elite athlete and has plenty of size to guard the better wings of the NBA. His offensive game mostly consists of slashing and midrange, but lacks a consistent outside shot (sound familiar?). This guy is made for the NBA.
Jarvis Varnardo, PF -- At 6'9", he isn't super tall, but he's long and athletic and has been the best shot blocker in the country over the last few years (Thabeet included). He's not afraid to stay in the paint and get his hands dirty. He's that banger type that would be great coming off the bench for us
Number 4 on your list there got caught toting a couple of gats under the seat of his car and kicked off the UT Vols basketball team. Depending on how his charges play out he could spend the rest of the year in the d-league or on an nba team. I don't know exactly how that works with reguards to the rules because he never went through the draft. In any case he will likely go undrafted if he does enter now and we could very well pick him up cheap.
As for his basketball skills. The Josh Howard comparison is very good. He is not nearly as alethitic as GW but has a more polished all around skilset. He is very good at scoring the ball around the basket off a drive or a post up. He is a very good passer and I think had one of the best assist to turnover ratios in the nba. He has even played some pt guard in the TN offense this year. If he is willing to work hard he could be a good nba prospect. We could likely get him fairly cheap and have a high reward low risk type deal if we pick him up before someone else does.
Also even if we don't have a first round pick this year we have a second round pick from the nets. Because the nets are so awful that will likely be one of the best picks in round 2
Fred Williamson
01-18-2010, 02:55 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Ed Davis is overrated?
Am I the only one who thinks Ed Davis is overrated?
no. I do too. Unless he bulks up big time he'll be a bust. And I love the kid, too. Just not for the NBA.
ThaCoolest803
01-19-2010, 06:26 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Ed Davis is overrated?
He is definitely overated. Their entire team is overated this year. SC teams have dominated them this year. It might not happen again for another 20 years but well take it. Jarvis Vanardo would be a nice fit at power forward. We just need a banger who rebound and blocks shots. Hit fits the bill.
Swedd, you like Andy Rautins?
SWedd523
01-20-2010, 01:24 AM
Hate him.
10char
SWedd523
01-26-2010, 05:14 PM
We're hosting Kentucky tonight (at 9, game should be nationally televised), so I'll try and post up my thoughts on Wall, Cousins, Patterson, etc. after I get an up close viewing experience
Also keep a lookout for my top 5 guards, forwards, and centers list in the next day or so!
You gonna be down with the crazy kids in the student section?
SWedd523
01-27-2010, 12:07 AM
You gonna be down with the crazy kids in the student section?
One of the perks of being a student ;)
The game was incredible. That is all for now
SCBobcat
01-27-2010, 10:55 AM
Swedd, I was at the game too last night (4th row right between the Kentucky bench and mid court). What a game. I love Downey.
Anyways, Demarcus Cousins is physically a grown-ass man. He is a huge talent. Really soft hands, great at the free throw line, has post moves that all seem to include using his elbow to hook his way to the rim. Emotionally, I like his passion and his will to win, but he is a little hot-tempered and a bit of a prima donna. At the end of the game when Kentucky kept going to Wall, Cousins said "coach, why won't you give me the ball?". This could be a positive trait, but it could be a negative. It seemed to be said more whiny than it could have been. All that said, he should be one of the first few picks.
Patterson looked like a draft candidate last year, but now that you have someone to compare him to, he looked not so good. He is big and strong though. Maybe he had an off game.
Wall is Wall. Great desire and talent. He looked genuinely confident while at the same time humble enough to learn from Caliperi during the game. That could be a great peronality trait for an eventual star.
SWedd523
01-27-2010, 11:56 AM
Wall is definitely a great talent. Very quick, very strong, and has a great crossover. However, he seemed to be a little too passive last night. For much of the game, he sat back and played the "distributor" role, which doesn't really suit him much. When the game got close and was on the line we really saw what he can do, drive to the lane and score on just about anybody. When he's aggressive, he's damn near unstoppable. I'd just like to see that aggressiveness a little more often.
As for Cousins, he has a great stroke and can certainly expand his range because the form is there. However, I don't really think he has many post moves. His low block game consists of elbow-leading-and-hooking the defender to clear room for a shot. That works against our scrawny big men, but most certainly wont in the NBA. His body type doesn't really appeal to me as he appears lazy (and his on court performance validates that claim in my book). His attitude is also a turnoff. I remember walking in and pointing him out to my girlfriend, saying, "look at the big guy with the headband, he's probably going to have a great game, but I bet he's going to try and start a fight every time somebody bodies him up." Sure enough, the next time he got fouled in the post, he started a fight. :rolleyes: Reminds me a little too much of Derrick Coleman; extremely skilled, but too lazy and too much of a prima donna to be a good teammate.
Patrick Patterson doesn't seem to enjoy playing with Cousins because their games are too similar, I think that's why he didn't play extremely well. However, what I saw of him impressed me. He's by far the most mature player on the team.
Speaking of maturity (and one of my biggest gripes ever about the college game), nobody on Kentucky's team seems to have any. Every time they did something good, it was always wild fist pumping, crazy arm flailing, shit talking, and jumping around.
I can't stand that, at all.
I understand you're pumped up, but acting like a fucking hooligan every time you do something good, and talking shit to the crowd and whatnot just doesn't appeal to me. One fist pump (Jordan), or one jaw clench (Kobe), or nothing at all (Wade), is how you should celebrate. With class.
For that reason alone, I do not like Wall, Bledsoe, or Cousins, because they have no respect.
ManvydasLTU
01-30-2010, 04:26 PM
I think we have get somehow pick in top 10 or top 15, and draft D.Motiejunas, he is very perspective player, but in USA he is devaluation, because he from europe. I am too from Europe (Lithuanian), so srry for bad vocabulary. ;)
SWedd523
01-30-2010, 11:18 PM
I think we have get somehow pick in top 10 or top 15, and draft D.Motiejunas, he is very perspective player, but in USA he is devaluation, because he from europe. I am too from Europe (Lithuanian), so srry for bad vocabulary. ;)
Motiejunas has been one of my sleeper picks for awhile now, but I can't really gauge how well he's been playing this year. Why isn't he getting much playing time?
ManvydasLTU
01-31-2010, 09:34 AM
Motiejunas has been one of my sleeper picks for awhile now, but I can't really gauge how well he's been playing this year. Why isn't he getting much playing time?
Because he is in Treviso Benneton, so he in Italia, not native country, and he is young so make some mistakes, and sits on a bench. If he would have been in nativ country, and play for Kauno "Zalgiris", i think he play more minutes than in Treviso, and get experience in Euroleague. But he chose to play in Treviso....:(
SWedd523
01-31-2010, 01:41 PM
Isn't Treviso one of the better Euro teams? If so, I can understand why he isn't getting much playing time.
What kind of mistakes are you seeing him make?
ManvydasLTU
01-31-2010, 02:48 PM
Isn't Treviso one of the better Euro teams? If so, I can understand why he isn't getting much playing time.
What kind of mistakes are you seeing him make?
Bad shots, i think is the very bad mistake. No Treviso isn't one of better team, they play in second league in europe. I don't know why he choose Treviso, maybe they gave him a large salary. I don't know...
JamieMcNeill
02-01-2010, 08:56 AM
One of the perks of being a student ;)
The game was incredible. That is all for now
You go to SC Swedd?
Congrats on the win
SWedd523
02-01-2010, 11:34 AM
You go to SC Swedd?
Congrats on the win
Sure do!
Thanks :biggrin:
ohara831
02-25-2010, 09:04 PM
Since we have dropped to 9th and out of the Playoff race for now, I ran the ESPN Mock Lottery by Chad Ford. The other day he had us taking Xavier Henry from Kansas as #11 but tonight he has us going with Greg Monroe from Georgetown. I would have thought since we grapped TT we would likely be out of the PF search mode, and more for a SG for scoring needs. Honestly, I think #11 is too high for Henry but would be a very solid pick of Monroe. Unless we won the Lottery or got into the Top 3, there are no sure fire young guns.
SCBobcat
03-05-2010, 11:40 AM
Assuming we keep TT and become married to Felton for the long term, what we really need is a center. I fully expect at least one of Naz and Tyson Chandelier to be traded next year. In any event Diop is the only center on contract past next year, so it is time to plan ahead.
Assuming we keep TT and become married to Felton for the long term, what we really need is a center. I fully expect at least one of Naz and Tyson Chandelier to be traded next year. In any event Diop is the only center on contract past next year, so it is time to plan ahead.
And we need a big center, not an athletic type like TC. No small kids like Vanardo either.
We need a really big kid.
If we are locked into TT at the 4 spot then a 5 with an offensive post game is what we need IMO.
SWedd523
03-05-2010, 01:23 PM
The problem is that this draft is packed with big guys. Unfortunately, we have no draft picks at all so we're going to be shit out of luck unless we trade a valuable piece with an expiring and take on some more long term contract.
DeMarcus Cousins is a guy that I could see being special for us. (Even though I hate the guy). He has great post moves and loves banging around the rim. I can seriously see him developing into a more aggressive Al Jeff, and we all know how much you like him Slam.
Hassan Whiteside is a local product (Gastonia, NC) and has really been playing well for Marshall. He isn't very well known, but he is as solid as they come as far as 7 footers are concerned. Earlier this year, he up up 14/17/9 in only 29 minutes. He's definitely a project, but he has a solid jump hook and crashes the glass with the best of them. I think he's another guy who would be great for us.
Though, in all likelihood, if we do get back into the draft, it'd be with a pick in the latter half of the first so the guys we'd probably be looking at are Solomon Alabi (Florida St), Dexter Pittman (Texas), Andrew Ogilvy (Vanderbilt), Ekpe Udoh (Baylor), and maybe Jerome Jordan (Tulsa)
Hassan Whiteside is a local product (Gastonia, NC) and has really been playing well for Marshall. He isn't very well known, but he is as solid as they come as far as 7 footers are concerned. Earlier this year, he up up 14/17/9 in only 29 minutes. He's definitely a project, but he has a solid jump hook and crashes the glass with the best of them. I think he's another guy who would be great for us.
I watched him play (in High School) and he was decent, but he was skinny as hell. Has he beefed up at all?
And Miami has two big men that played well when I watched them play the other day, one is Collins, I don't remember the other. Are they coming out this year?
Though, in all likelihood, if we do get back into the draft, it'd be with a pick in the latter half of the first so the guys we'd probably be looking at are Solomon Alabi (Florida St), Dexter Pittman (Texas), Andrew Ogilvy (Vanderbilt), Ekpe Udoh (Baylor), and maybe Jerome Jordan (Tulsa)
Have you noticed anything "special" (that would help us in the long term) about any of these guys SWedd?
SWedd523
03-05-2010, 01:47 PM
I watched him play (in High School) and he was decent, but he was skinny as hell. Has he beefed up at all?
And Miami has two big men that played well when I watched them play the other day, one is Collins, I don't remember the other. Are they coming out this year?
Dwayne collins? He's solid but he's only 6'8 so he's not really in our scope. They have two guys at 6'9'' but they don't do too much.
Dwayne collins? He's solid but he's only 6'8 so he's not really in our scope.
That's it. Yeah I was only half watching but he had a huge game. So unless he's Chuck Hayes part two, that's worthless.
Is Deon Thompson supposed to be drafted? He could be a camp kid to make the roster.
SWedd523
03-05-2010, 02:07 PM
Have you noticed anything "special" (that would help us in the long term) about any of these guys SWedd?
Alabi is a fringe lottery pick if he keeps playing well solely because he's an interesting project. He's got tremendous size and playing exclusively around the rim so he'd be a guy that would work well for us. He does have a lot of room for improvement.
Pittman is a guy that I really like. He's the guy that weighed 400 pounds when he arrived at Texas and has since dropped to 300 mostly by working his ass off in the gym. (Which really shows me how much of a hard worker he is and the amount of drive he has to get better) He is constantly working on his physique and should be around 280 or so in the NBA. He's shown exceptional improvement in his time and has a great go-to hook shot in the post.
Ogilvy has probably the smoothest post moves in college. He can work off either block and finish confidently with either hand. Very Kaman-esque. Other than that, he's a pretty average player.
Udoh (see Alabi, smaller but better)
DX compares Jordan to Theo Ratliff... 'nough said
SWedd523
03-05-2010, 02:09 PM
That's it. Yeah I was only half watching but he had a huge game. So unless he's Chuck Hayes part two, that's worthless.
Is Deon Thompson supposed to be drafted? He could be a camp kid to make the roster.
I think he's 6'8'' too so he's not likely a target
Alabi is a fringe lottery pick if he keeps playing well solely because he's an interesting project. He's got tremendous size and playing exclusively around the rim so he'd be a guy that would work well for us. He does have a lot of room for improvement.
Pittman is a guy that I really like. He's the guy that weighed 400 pounds when he arrived at Texas and has since dropped to 300 mostly by working his ass off in the gym. (Which really shows me how much of a hard worker he is and the amount of drive he has to get better) He is constantly working on his physique and should be around 280 or so in the NBA. He's shown exceptional improvement in his time and has a great go-to hook shot in the post.
Ogilvy has probably the smoothest post moves in college. He can work off either block and finish confidently with either hand. Very Kaman-esque. Other than that, he's a pretty average player.
Udoh (see Alabi, smaller but better)
DX compares Jordan to Theo Ratliff... 'nough said
thanks SWedd...if you had to pick one of these guys...who would you go with today...?
Swedd, we're not getting a 7 footer undrafted that's worth jack shit.
Most 7 footers that ARE drafted aren't worth jack shit (See Ajinca, Alexis)
I'd take a flier on Collins or Thompson if they weren't drafted. If Charles Barkley can play PF at 6'2, and Chuck Hayes can play center at 6'6, then these guys can do it.
SWedd523
03-05-2010, 03:51 PM
teej all the guys I'm talking about are going to get drafted. Everything I posted was under the hypothetical situation that we jump back into the late first/early second round of the draft.
Thompson is going to get drafted, Collins is likely to go to, towards the latter half of the second. Neither are remotely close to being a Center in the NBA.
BRNC, I'd take Pittman far before the rest, then Udoh, Alabi, Ogilvy, and Jordan (in that order)
teej all the guys I'm talking about are going to get drafted.
Yeah, and Derrick Brown and Rashard Lewis and Dejuan Blair were all supposed to go in the upper half of the first round.
Are there any bigmen who aren't getting any hype at all that you like?
Temple's Juan Fernandez.
I know he's not coming out this year, or would be foolish to. But what can you tell me about him?
JamieMcNeill
03-15-2010, 09:05 AM
If we are talking second round bigs why not Derrick Caracter from UTEP? He's a skilled big man who many say has lottery ability but he apparently lacks what his last name implies. He has good physicality but he's only 6'9''. Even if he isnt the center we need, I think he would make a good pick. LB can handle him. I havent watched much of him but plan to watch him in the tourney for more info.
Second guy- Have yall heard about Artsiom Parakhouski? Hes a Belarussian that plays for Radford. He's a legit center. Not a lot of athleticism but he does all the things required of centers- good rebounder, shot blocker, even has a nice stroke. Little inexperienced though. Oh and btw, before you say he kills small school competition- he dropped 23 and 14 on Duke along with 21 and 13 on Cole Aldrich and Kansas.
Also what about Daniel Orton?
Final comment- I wasnt aware how far down the board Pittman is? Question is- good NBA player or Sean May 2.0?
Final comment- I wasnt aware how far down the board Pittman is? Question is- good NBA player or Sean May 2.0?
If he can stay healthy, being Sean May 2.0 is a good thing, especially where I've seen him projected.
And Parakhouski is a fringe first round pick, so I don't think we'd be able to get to him without paying up.
JamieMcNeill
03-16-2010, 03:10 PM
If he can stay healthy, being Sean May 2.0 is a good thing, especially where I've seen him projected.
And Parakhouski is a fringe first round pick, so I don't think we'd be able to get to him without paying up.
Being Sean May 2.0 is not good. Though it may be expected for someone being projected where he, it's not good by any means.
I think to get any value we need to get into the late first.
Being Sean May 2.0 is not good. Though it may be expected for someone being projected where he, it's not good by any means.
I think to get any value we need to get into the late first.
I agree that to get any value we need to be in the late first. Which is why Pittman being May 2.0 would be a relatively solid acheivement for him. Most second round picks never play more than a season or two at most in the NBA, May's working on his fourth playing season and 5th in the league, and he was productive in the first part of that.
A mid-second round bigman averaging over 5ppg would be surprising, much less 10 (Sean May 06-07)
SWedd523
03-16-2010, 05:29 PM
Dude Dex Pittman is nowhere near Sean May in any sense of the term, and hasn't been for two years. Two years ago, Pittman didn't care about his health and was basically a fat, yet talented blob of a basketball player (Sean May). Since that time, he has dedicated his life to physical fitness and is in great, and improving, shape.
He'll be a much more effective NBA player than Sean May. I guess what you COULD say is that Pittman WILL be what May COULD'VE been--a very effective low post player on both ends of the floor.
He'll be a much more effective NBA player than Sean May. I guess what you COULD say is that Pittman WILL be what May COULD'VE been--a very effective low post player on both ends of the floor.
Then how come he's only projected to go in the middle of the second round??
If he's that good, as in, 12/5 on average good, then how's he that under the radar in a program that big and a coach that good?
SWedd523
03-16-2010, 07:48 PM
Then how come he's only projected to go in the middle of the second round??
If he's that good, as in, 12/5 on average good, then how's he that under the radar in a program that big and a coach that good?
Because he's still working himself into NBA shape. Like I said, he came into Texas weighing close to 400 pounds and he's since dropped 80 or so. Read any writeup on him and it'll say he's been getting progressively better every year and that he'll continue to get better.
He's also on a team dominated by a different big man (Damion James) so he doesn't get many touches. It could also be said that he doesn't have much of a college game as he is more built for half court ball.
Sleep on him all you want.
Because he's still working himself into NBA shape. Like I said, he came into Texas weighing close to 400 pounds and he's since dropped 80 or so. Read any writeup on him and it'll say he's been getting progressively better every year and that he'll continue to get better.
He's also on a team dominated by a different big man (Damion James) so he doesn't get many touches. It could also be said that he doesn't have much of a college game as he is more built for half court ball.
Sleep on him all you want.
More like the rest of the league can sleep on him and we can get him.
You're usually pretty spot-on with your college guys, I just don't get how someone with either this much talent or potential (or both) isn't even a fringe first rounder.
SWedd523
03-17-2010, 01:00 AM
Athleticism is probably the single most important thing for an NBA player. (Hasheem, Lexy, etc) They look at hyper athletic guys and say "wow, he can jump and run, maybe we can teach it basketball." So for all the physical ability he's steadily developing, he will never be able to run and jump out of the gym, so they'll pass on him for projects more than likely.
However, I don't think people are sleeping on him. They WERE is the more likely term. But, like I've been saying, he has steadily progressed every year and is getting better and better while working his way up draft boards. If he had a more central role on his squad he would be a definite first round selection. Besides, if we're buying back into the draft, it's into the latter part of the first or into the second round. So a guy like Pittman is right there in our range. I'm only being realistic.
(p.s. NBADraft and DX have Craig Brackins as a second round talent right now, likely to due with his down year and his team's no show in the tournament. Dude was anointed my favorite college player after James Harden last year--and Eric Gordon before him, though my man Xavier Henry is a close second. If we could snag a guy like Brackins with a late first rounder I would be so massively excited)
SWedd523
03-17-2010, 01:16 AM
Also thought I'd post DX's writeup on Pittman.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dexter-Pittman-1182/
After a breakout junior season, Dexter Pittman continued his physical transformation in the offseason, losing even more weight while working on his game, and it’s been showing in his performance this season. Pittman’s scoring and minutes are both up, while his efficiencies have shot through the roof, and he continues to rank among the top players in our database in a ton of categories, most notably ranking 2nd in PER, 2nd in EFG% and 6th in offensive rebounds per-40 minutes pace adjusted.
I know you don't necessarily like those stats, but those are solid "nerd" stats that show he's an effective/efficient player.
On the offensive end, Pittman has taken his post game to the next level, showing a noticeable improvement in his comfort level and footwork, while he’s definitively developed a go-to move in his right-handed hook shot. Pittman does an excellent job of establishing great position on the block, where he either seals his man for an inside power move to the basket or just backs him down for an easy hook shot across the lane. He appears more confident in his game here, and has kept things simple to work to his strengths.
Something that would be greatly appreciated, especially with trading a guy like Nazr away to stay below the tax line. Having one dependable big man on the block does wonders for our team. (as was proven with Nazr starting before, and Theo now to a certain extent)
On the defensive end, Pittman’s improved physique is certainly showing up in one way, as Pittman’s blocked shots are up from 0.9 to 2.3 per game, something that is certainly helped by his improved ability to get off the floor. It’s still mostly the same story for the rest of his defense, as he does a good job defending power players in the post, using his strength and length to force them into tough shots, though he struggles against opponents who make good use of lateral maneuvers, not always possessing the quickness to stay in front of them.
Most of Pittman's success has been linked to his physical improvement. He has shown tremendous dedication in that facet of his game so I have faith that he'll only get better with time as he continues to cut back on excess fat.
Sounds like a perfect fit and a guy I'd like. A lot.
I really should watch Texas more. DJ went there, Bradley and James are good players, Pittman is apparently Bobcat-worthy, and Rick Barnes graduated from my HS. Why can't I watch them? Maybe that ugly ass orange?
But anyways, If we could work a deal to trade Nazr and Henderson to a team for Pittman (as a pick) and a filler SG, I'd be happy.
JamieMcNeill
03-17-2010, 08:58 AM
Athleticism is probably the single most important thing for an NBA player. (Hasheem, Lexy, etc) They look at hyper athletic guys and say "wow, he can jump and run, maybe we can teach it basketball." So for all the physical ability he's steadily developing, he will never be able to run and jump out of the gym, so they'll pass on him for projects more than likely.
However, I don't think people are sleeping on him. They WERE is the more likely term. But, like I've been saying, he has steadily progressed every year and is getting better and better while working his way up draft boards. If he had a more central role on his squad he would be a definite first round selection. Besides, if we're buying back into the draft, it's into the latter part of the first or into the second round. So a guy like Pittman is right there in our range. I'm only being realistic.
(p.s. NBADraft and DX have Craig Brackins as a second round talent right now, likely to due with his down year and his team's no show in the tournament. Dude was anointed my favorite college player after James Harden last year--and Eric Gordon before him, though my man Xavier Henry is a close second. If we could snag a guy like Brackins with a late first rounder I would be so massively excited)
Yea I remembered you gushing over Brackins and then saw him on multiple drafts as a second rounder. Knew you would be happy
SWedd:
Who you would take out of Brackins and Pittman if we were some how in a position to draft and both were available?
I know who I would take, but who would you take?
SWedd523
03-18-2010, 01:01 AM
Brackins easily because he's a lottery level talent. It would certainly make Boris expendable and create a nice PF balance (assuming we resign Tyrus) of Offense/Defense to match the same from our Centers in Tyson/Diop and Nazr/Theo.
Pittman would be nice because Nazr and Theo are old and don't have many years left, Diop won't ever play much, and Tyson could be gone if we don't resign him. Having a year to groom a new, young Center would be nice.
But I just can't pass on Chris Bosh Jr.
JamieMcNeill
03-18-2010, 09:03 AM
Brackins easily because he's a lottery level talent. It would certainly make Boris expendable and create a nice PF balance (assuming we resign Tyrus) of Offense/Defense to match the same from our Centers in Tyson/Diop and Nazr/Theo.
Pittman would be nice because Nazr and Theo are old and don't have many years left, Diop won't ever play much, and Tyson could be gone if we don't resign him. Having a year to groom a new, young Center would be nice.
But I just can't pass on Chris Bosh Jr.
Chris Bosh Jr? Your really going out on a limb. You are typically right on with your draft guys so for you to proclaim a guy that is pretty big. I like the idea of that but a center would be sooo nice also.
SWedd523
03-18-2010, 11:23 AM
Chris Bosh Jr? Your really going out on a limb. You are typically right on with your draft guys so for you to proclaim a guy that is pretty big. I like the idea of that but a center would be sooo nice also.
I think he's as similar to Bosh as you're going to see for awhile. They both have similar builds and athletic abilities. I do think, however, that Brackins is more perimeter oriented whereas Bosh is more high post. Buy that may just be because Brackins has been forced to initiate the offense so much on a weak team.
He may not be as good as Bosh, but he has the potential to be really close. Besides. Chris Bosh.... Craig Brackins.... CB.... CB.... Too many similarities to ignore ;)
ALong13
03-18-2010, 12:39 PM
this may be a stupid question, but do we have any draft picks if we make the playoffs? I know we lose our first round pick to Minnesota (via Denver), but don't we lose our 2nd round pick to Phoenix? a few mock websites have us with our 2nd and the Suns 2nd...I didn't think we had a single pick this year...
But I just can't pass on Chris Bosh Jr.
I've been calling Brackins David West Jr for a couple of years - but I can see the Bosh angle.
Wish he had the same sort of aggresssion as Bosh.
reason I asked about Brackins Vs Pittman is because they have such different games and I was wondering who you think we could do with more.
An outside jump shooting, mobile PF or a post scoring large C.
SWedd523
03-18-2010, 04:39 PM
I can see the David West comparison also. The fact that he bears resemblance to both of those guys is a testament to his ability.
It depends on what we do with our big man situation to be completely honest. If we trade Diaw for a pick, then we should go after Brackins. If we trade Nazr and don't resign Theo, then Dex is an attractive option, especially with Tyson's health and expiring contract.
If Brackins slips (as boards are showing) to the second I really hope we can move up and grab him...I like him very much...
The other guy (in the second) I'm starting to get intrigued with is the Russian kid Alexey Shved...both these guys (IMO) offer great second round value...but there are a few more this year...but I still think we have to move up in the second just not sure how/if we can...:shrug:
but I still think we have to move up in the second just not sure how/if we can...:shrug:
Tiger wins the Masters, and buys into the team?
:rolleyes:
I can hope, right?
Minny has so many picks I'm wondering what their first 2nd round pick (#2 second round) would cost us...that would be a nice pick to get...?
It depends on what we do with our big man situation to be completely honest. If we trade Diaw for a pick, then we should go after Brackins. If we trade Nazr and don't resign Theo, then Dex is an attractive option, especially with Tyson's health and expiring contract.
I'm thinking that offensively T2 can do everything that Brackins can do (hit the fade away, the mid range J and work a little in the post) but has the advantage of being able to attack the rim and seriously throw down. T2 is obviously a lot better defensively and is more athletic.
Because of all of that, I wonder if Brackins would be a little redundant on our team?
Don't get me wrong, I really like him, just wonder how well he would fit?
Maybe T2 next to a post scorer like Dex?
We don't really have a large, space eater like Dex on the team.
SWedd523
03-19-2010, 11:20 AM
Brackins is much more of a natural scorer though. Ty won't ever average more than 20 a game whereas Craig has that ability. He also has the added benefit being able to handle the ball (T2's weakest skill) and break down his defender or be able to spot up for a 3. Overall, Craig is a much smoother offensive threat than Ty probably ever will.
But with that, I think they would be a good pair because Tyrus has all of the skills that Craig lacks (super athleticism, defensive prowess, etc.) and Craig is great at what Ty lacks (ball handling, scoring versatility, etc.) so I really think they could excel in exploiting matchups with other teams. [the previous is assuming we trade Diaw, as CB/Diaw is definitely redundant]
So you'd play CB at the 4 and T2 at the 5 in a small line up type thing?
BTW: I think you are under selling T2's offensive ability. I think he has shown already he has a good mid range J and the ability to create his own shot using running hooks and fade aways.
SWedd523
03-19-2010, 12:25 PM
So you'd play CB at the 4 and T2 at the 5 in a small line up type thing?
BTW: I think you are under selling T2's offensive ability. I think he has shown already he has a good mid range J and the ability to create his own shot using running hooks and fade aways.
Yeah those two would be a solid and very fun tandem in small ball. Both at 6'10 though wouldn't be that small ;) We'd have huge size advantages at every position but PG. CB is also versatile enough to play either forward position.
As for T2, I was one of the first to admit that I was pleasantly surprised by his offensive ability. He has pretty good form on his jumper and has pretty solid post moves. But he still isn't going to be a scorer as much as he'll be a complementary player. In his peak, he'll be around 15/10/2 or so. But Craig (like Boris) is able to bring the ball down and set other people up/break his man down and I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up 20/8.
Not a knock on Tyrus, just that I think him and Craig could mesh very, very well and it would be difficult for other teams to gameplan against those two
Ty won't ever average more than 20 a game whereas Craig has that ability. He also has the added benefit being able to handle the ball (T2's weakest skill) and break down his defender or be able to spot up for a 3.
:confused:
Tyrus has handled the ball pretty well from what I've seen since he came over, and he has the pull up J, while not from three range yet with some time around LB I think it could be, and he can def. break down his defender.
Tyrus went in the top 5 for a reason, let's not forget that.
SWedd523
03-19-2010, 10:20 PM
:confused:
Tyrus has handled the ball pretty well from what I've seen since he came over, and he has the pull up J, while not from three range yet with some time around LB I think it could be, and he can def. break down his defender.
Tyrus went in the top 5 for a reason, let's not forget that.
Let's break this down
Ty = "handles the ball pretty well"
Craig = can initiate the offense
Ty = "has the pull up J... not from three range yet... but it could be"
Craig = has the pull up J, already has range from three
Ty = "went in the top 5 for a reason, let's not forget that"
2000 top three = Kenyon Martin, Stromile Swift, Darius Miles
2001 top three = Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol
2002 top three = Yao Ming, Jay Williams, Mike Dunleavy Jr
2003 top three = LeBron James, Darko Milicic, Carmelo Anthony
2004 top three = Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor, Ben Gordon
2005 top three = Andrew Bogut, Marvin Williams, Deron Williams
2006 top three = Andrea Barrgnani, LaMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison
2007 top three = Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Al Horford
2008 top three = Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, OJ Mayo
2009 top three = Blake Griffin, Hasheem Thabeet, James Harden
the top 3 in the past 10 years only produced 10 total All-Stars. One in three. The number gets worse if you increase the scope to top 5. Let's not forget that going in the top 5 doesn't mean a thing.
If you seriously think a guy who is currently averaging 10 a game, and who has never averaged more than 11 a game, can average 20 for an entire season then go ahead. But you'll be wrong.
If we could get Brackins cheap (as with a second) then it would be very foolish not to draft him...we don't know if TT can be signed for a "reasonable" contract plus multiple other reasons...but in the second round there is no way I'd pass on Brackins...
ohara831
03-21-2010, 11:52 AM
I have enjoyed watching Samhan from St. Mary's in this tournament. Heard of him, but never saw him until the tourney. What a talented big man. 6'11 265 lbs and some touch. It shocked me to see ESPN had him at only #95 on their Top 100. I have to believe that with that size and scoring touch inside 10 feet, he gets taken in the 2nd by someone. He finally got publicity on a national scale. Dont know about his Defense, but his hustle, size and scoring ability can be utilzed in a half court set offense. Heck, I saw moves from him I haven't seen from any Center on the Bobcats.
BobCatsFanInTx
03-21-2010, 12:25 PM
Draft Express does not show us as having any picks for this draft. They show that we have traded them ALL away.
Draft Express does not show us as having any picks for this draft. They show that we have traded them ALL away.
It is confusing since sites like nbadraft.net show us receiving a 2nd from the Suns in the JRich trade...I asked tam and he thought it was incorrect...and at this point I don't think we have any...but here is the nbadraft.net link but again I think they're incorrect...:g:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2010draftnotes.html
This is the link that tamburello uses to keep up with transactions and it indicates that we sent our second to the Suns...I'm not sure why some sites have us receiving a second back from the Suns...just makes it confusing...
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/2010.htm
ohara831
03-22-2010, 07:47 AM
We gave up our 2nd to the Suns. We have no picks if we make the Playoffs.
If you seriously think a guy who is currently averaging 10 a game, and who has never averaged more than 11 a game, can average 20 for an entire season then go ahead. But you'll be wrong.
Tyrus is currently averaging 11 and 7 in 24 minutes with LB. In the same time in Chicago this year, he had 9 and 6. I don't think you're fully appreciating how good he is. His per36 numbers give him 16 and 10. That's not too bad, now is it?
And there's no guarantee Brackins will even get 10 ppg in the pros, either. :p
teej...there is also no guarantee TT will not...
1) Self implode...
2) Will accept a reasonable contract in line with what he contributes (not per)...
3) Will get any better than he is playing...
SWedd523
03-22-2010, 10:35 AM
Tyrus is currently averaging 11 and 7 in 24 minutes with LB. In the same time in Chicago this year, he had 9 and 6. I don't think you're fully appreciating how good he is. His per36 numbers give him 16 and 10. That's not too bad, now is it?
And there's no guarantee Brackins will even get 10 ppg in the pros, either. :p
I think you're grossly misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never once claimed that Tyrus isn't good. I did say, asking him to DOUBLE his current point production is a little much....... which it is. So let's take the homer goggles off and be realistic here:
Tyrus is known for his athleticism and ability to block shots and dunks, therefore he operates mostly around the paint. And while he has developed a solid handle and range out to 15, that's not the identity of his game. I remember watching him take a shot in, I think, the Clips games from the baseline extended and the announcer said, "We'll let him take that shot all day if he wants". He's a secondary scorer, not someone you let control the ball (Diaw) or run offense through (West).
Brackins is lauded for his offensive abilities. He's able to score in a variety of ways and with ease. Range out to the 3 point line and a consistent 15' to 18' jumper. He'll probably never been known as a defensive force but he has solid fundamentals and can play great D in a team setting.
They parallel each other nicely. Defensive prowess + scoring ability. Together they impact the game in a number of ways and would be a great young PF tandem. Remember--I'm the guy saying they should play TOGETHER.
I think you're grossly misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never once claimed that Tyrus isn't good. I did say, asking him to DOUBLE his current point production is a little much....... which it is. So let's take the homer goggles off and be realistic here:
Gerald didn't have a halfway consistent jumper until this season, yet has averaged nearly 20 points the last 4 seasons...
Tyrus is playing 24 minutes. LB's starters play 35+ mpg.
Not hard to see 20, and that's without him learning ANYthing.
Also, last year, Tyrus was 3/9 from 3, and if you look at http://www.nba.com/hotspots/ he's actually a better shooter from longrange 2's than midrange 2's in every season except his rookie year. He's even automatic on the right baseline 2 out by the 3pt line.
Fascinating stuff right there, and I know what I'll be doing all day.
SWedd523
03-22-2010, 11:31 AM
Crash has never averaged 20+ ppg in his career so I don't see the connection you're making.
Crash has never averaged 20+ ppg in his career so I don't see the connection you're making.
He's had 18.1, 19.4, 16.6, and is at 18.4 right now, with infinitely worse shooting than TT (go look at the hotspots) and tons more PT.
Tyrus is a better athlete than Gerald, and as long as he gets the coaching, will be a better overall player than Gerald. How is bettering 19.4 impossible?
Also, Tyrus's per36 numbers are better than Gerald's in scoring and rebounding for this season. So I don't see how he's never going to reach 20ppg.
teej...one of the major complaints that Bulls fans had regarding TT was him falling in love with that jumper (and missing) and not looking for his teammates...his time (recent 2-3 games) is being cut back...(Miami...13:14, Atlanta...20:24...OKC...20:58...)...I know this is only 4 minutes less than he has averaged since coming here (excluding Miami which is/was a head-shaker even for me) but IMO it indicates LB may not feel TT is playing "team ball" the way he'd like him to play...
SWedd523
03-22-2010, 11:58 AM
He's had 18.1, 19.4, 16.6, and is at 18.4 right now, with infinitely worse shooting than TT (go look at the hotspots) and tons more PT.
Tyrus is a better athlete than Gerald, and as long as he gets the coaching, will be a better overall player than Gerald. How is bettering 19.4 impossible?
Also, Tyrus's per36 numbers are better than Gerald's in scoring and rebounding for this season. So I don't see how he's never going to reach 20ppg.
Weren't you disagreeing with me, and claiming that Crash is a top 10 athlete of all-time? Now Tyrus is a better athlete than him? Shit. We have two of the greatest NBA athletes ever and we aren't top 3 in the league?
18, 19, 17, and 18 aren't 20+, 20+, 20+, and 20+. He's never done it. Jack has only done it three times including this year and has NEVER averaged more than 21 for a season. I'm guessing you think Tyrus can match that? I'm also guessing you think Tyrus can shoot as well as Jack and will ever put up enough shots to ever get close to 20 a game?
Weren't you disagreeing with me, and claiming that Crash is a top 10 athlete of all-time? Now Tyrus is a better athlete than him? Shit. We have two of the greatest NBA athletes ever and we aren't top 3 in the league?
18, 19, 17, and 18 aren't 20+, 20+, 20+, and 20+. He's never done it. Jack has only done it three times including this year and has NEVER averaged more than 21 for a season. I'm guessing you think Tyrus can match that? I'm also guessing you think Tyrus can shoot as well as Jack and will ever put up enough shots to ever get close to 20 a game?
Let me clarify: Tyrus is a better athlete RIGHT NOW than Gerald. Gerald WAS better than TT a few years ago, but is no longer that great. He's still good though.
Now, for what matters. If Tyrus played 40mpg like Gerald on a bad team, he could get 20ppg this season. But the team wouldn't be good. Like Granger's Pacers or Igoudala's Sixers. But, once he works with this coaching staff (like Gerald has OMG! wow:rolleyes:) to get his shooting better, he'll be able to be a first or second option on a solid playoff team and average 20ppg. Will he ever be able to shoot as well as Jack? I doubt it. I'm thinking he's more a Kevin Garnett type shooter, maybe slightly less potential for the consistency but not much. And omg, like KG averaged 20ppg 9 times!
Am I the only person who listens to Larry and MJ compare Tyrus to GW all the time?
Chrystos
03-22-2010, 02:02 PM
We gave up our 2nd to the Suns. We have no picks if we make the Playoffs.
Aw man the draft is my favorite part of the offseason. :(
BobCatsFanInTx
03-22-2010, 09:09 PM
I think you're grossly misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never once claimed that Tyrus isn't good. I did say, asking him to DOUBLE his current point production is a little much....... which it is. So let's take the homer goggles off and be realistic here:
Tyrus is known for his athleticism and ability to block shots and dunks, therefore he operates mostly around the paint. And while he has developed a solid handle and range out to 15, that's not the identity of his game. I remember watching him take a shot in, I think, the Clips games from the baseline extended and the announcer said, "We'll let him take that shot all day if he wants". He's a secondary scorer, not someone you let control the ball (Diaw) or run offense through (West).
Brackins is lauded for his offensive abilities. He's able to score in a variety of ways and with ease. Range out to the 3 point line and a consistent 15' to 18' jumper. He'll probably never been known as a defensive force but he has solid fundamentals and can play great D in a team setting.
They parallel each other nicely. Defensive prowess + scoring ability. Together they impact the game in a number of ways and would be a great young PF tandem. Remember--I'm the guy saying they should play TOGETHER.I don't know squat about Brackins but based on the analysis of his game on DraftExpress he really is not all that. They basically say he does better from beyond the arc than he does inside of it.
However that is just their take and there are many draft sites and experts out there.
Marvel
03-23-2010, 10:30 PM
I 'm weary of TT falling too in love with that mid range jumper also.He's no David West and it isn't half as smooth as his also.TT has no post game what so ever.Best case comparison-Josh Smith
GoBobs
03-26-2010, 09:58 PM
I would be happy to get a josh smith like player I don't see the problem with that. I think his jumper is better then you give him credit for. The problem is he doesn't always find himself a good shot. The key is what does he have between his ears. If he is half as willing to learn as Gerald Wallace he is going to be great.
tamburello
04-18-2010, 03:11 PM
I had mailed to Rick Bonnell about second round pick, and he replied me such as:
NBA announcement of draft order this week said Bobcats have no picks (1st-rounder to Minnesota, via Denver. 2nd-rounder to Phoenix).
So this thread has nowhere to go actually :) unless we trade for pick.
SWedd523
04-18-2010, 03:25 PM
Don't remind me :(
BobCatsFanInTx
04-21-2010, 01:00 PM
I know we have no draft picks this year but since this is percieved to be a pretty deep draft should we not trade Alexis "Longtime Project" Ajinca for a low to mid second rounder?
I know Lexy looked good in the D-League but a lot of guys look good in Depleted League and few of them pan out to being more than a guy deep on the bench.
I make no secret that I think the D-League is a waste. I would rather projects like Lexi get experience "albeit few minutes" playing and practicing in Europe.
I feel there are guys in this draft better suited to learning under a great coach like Larry Brown before getting any chance of real minututes in their second season. Do we really have the luxury of waiting for project players to contribute when we may be one or two solid instant contributors away from a real run in the playoffs?
I don't think we need to do anything drastic but if we could turn Ajinca into a guy who is ready made why not do that? There are teams who feel they are far enough along to take on a project. Why not deal with them?
Toocool
04-21-2010, 10:48 PM
I would say see how Ajinca does in the offseason. After his injury is finished, and he gets back out on court with another off-season under his belt. Hopefully he'll put in the hard work and come out with even more improvement where he could play backup 4/5
JamieMcNeill
05-25-2010, 09:59 PM
Swedd, your boy Brackins is creeping into the first round on a lot of mocks.
SWedd523
05-25-2010, 10:07 PM
He was a lottery guy just about all season until tournament time came around and his horrible team was (rightfully so) left out.
JamieMcNeill
05-26-2010, 08:23 PM
He was a lottery guy just about all season until tournament time came around and his horrible team was (rightfully so) left out.
My point was that he's becoming a harder get by the day
They had him down (earlier) because of his team...guy is a first rounder...that's why I'd like to buy a 20ish pick and a 40ish pick...Brackins would be a solid pick IMO...and I still like my Russian kid in the second round...:biggrin:
SCBobcat
06-02-2010, 02:42 PM
I can see us picking up a second rounder at some point. If we do, here is my question: say we take Paulo Prestes at some point in the second. He sounds like an interesting prospect for center. We don't need him this coming year with all of our big bodies. How do you guys feel about drafting and stashing a prospect overseas?
In the event we are able to find a foreign potential center, that course of action saves us money now and gives us a more developed player to plug in next year when we will need a young center.
We're talking about MJ. He hates Euros...
SCBobcat
06-02-2010, 02:56 PM
You might be right about MJ, I don't know. Personally and selfishly, I want to have draft picks and see them play as soon as possible. It would kill me to wait for a guy like Tiago Splitter who is a quality player but may pull a "Fran Vazquez" and never come to the NBA. We feel bad about some of our picks, but many times Euros such as Vazquez (who was taken by Orlando at #11, I think) turn into totally wasted picks.
GoBobs
06-05-2010, 10:47 PM
I wouldn't mind getting the kid from Texas, Dexter Pittman. Put him in the D league for a year and see if he can lose a bit more weight. He was 400 pounds as a college senior and has been losing weight every year. He is down to like 300 now and has shown he is a dedicated worker these last few years. If he doesn't make major progress we could always use the roster spot somewhere else.
ziggy
06-06-2010, 07:34 AM
I wouldn't mind getting the kid from Texas, Dexter Pittman. Put him in the D league for a year and see if he can lose a bit more weight. He was 400 pounds as a college senior and has been losing weight every year. He is down to like 300 now and has shown he is a dedicated worker these last few years. If he doesn't make major progress we could always use the roster spot somewhere else.
He seems to be a real good kid. The mocks have him going mid to late 2nd round.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJg7Is5A6Rk
SWedd523
06-06-2010, 12:48 PM
I don't remember if it was here or RGM but I was advocating for Pitt for the longest time. He was in the top 5 in so many different categories in college ball last year....... until the entire team fell apart for whatever reason.
The weight isn't an issue, he's transformed his body, and he's going to be a solid big man for many years
SWedd...you see his drop more team related (as Brackins) rather than skill related?
SWedd523
06-06-2010, 01:30 PM
Yes. Brackins just had a horrible team in an extra deep conference. He didn't really have much of a chance to keep up his stellar play while being double and triple teamed with no help from his teammates.
Pitt was playing tremendously well in the beginning of the year until something happened with the team. I have no idea what it was, but they just sort of fell apart and everybody suffered. Pitt isn't a lottery talent like Brackins is, but he's a solid big man that has a developed inside game on both ends of the floor and has a work ethic to keep improving.
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