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playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
07-02-2009, 02:00 PM
I was reading this article
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvKMvcKtlnmhrpGhxbXjyv68vLYF?slug=aw-gordonpistons070109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
"The signing of Gordon, 26, could make another former UConn player, Richard Hamilton, expendable in a trade. Hamilton, 31, could be used to bring back another low-post presence: perhaps Utah Jazz forward Carlos Boozer, Los Angeles Clippers’ center Chris Kaman or New Orleans Hornets center Tyson Chandler. Gordon averaged 20.7 points a game last season for the Bulls and 18.5 in his five seasons in Chicago. He was the third pick in the 2004 NBA draft"
and just made me wonder for a second if we could try to snatch one of the Pistons players (Hamilton / McDyess). It would be nice to see LB coaching either of them.. But I just don't see either happening given the lack of salary room, we just drafted Henderson, and we don't really have anything the Pistons want (unless they have second thoughts about Nazr).
But wouldn't it be nice to have Rip on our team? I would take him over Radmanovic.. I don't think Radman adds much on the PF position and a SG/SF would be much more valuable.
jpf_v2.0
07-02-2009, 02:05 PM
From what I saw last night, it sounded like they were leaning towards keeping Rip to have him paired with Gordon & Charlie V.
McDyess is a FA btw.
spectre
07-02-2009, 02:18 PM
I got this idea from a mod on the Pistons' board. He did it like this:
Nazr/Crash for Rip/Prince.
I made it:
Nazr/Crash/Raja for Rip/Prince.
They are in a seriously bad situation at C.
I got this idea from a mod on the Pistons' board. He did it like this:
Nazr/Crash for Rip/Prince.
I made it:
Nazr/Crash/Raja for Rip/Prince.
They are in a seriously bad situation at C.
Why would you add in Raja?
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
07-02-2009, 02:33 PM
-- With the backup power forward spot the obvious hole in the depth chart, Higgins has contacted agents for Antonio McDyess and Brandon Bass. Like most teams over the cap, the Bobcats are locked into exceptions as the only way to sign people. And like most teams, it sounds like the Bobcats are addressing free agency with a deliberate pace.
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/07/higgins-on-freeagency-etc.html
Very nice...keep trying to bring these Piston players down here..I'll even take Fabio!
jpf_v2.0
07-02-2009, 02:34 PM
Brandon Bass is who I covet the most.
spectre
07-02-2009, 02:53 PM
Why would you add in Raja?
So we don't take back almost 5 million in salary...and so Henderson would get the PT he needs to develop into this "star" everyone is talking about!
I'd rather keep Raja, but I really don't see Detroit dealing Rip for Nazr + capspace so I tried to look at it realistically.
So we don't take back almost 5 million in salary...and so Henderson would get the PT he needs to develop into this "star" everyone is talking about!
I'd rather keep Raja, but I really don't see Detroit dealing Rip for Nazr + capspace so I tried to look at it realistically.
I'd rather not do the deal then.
spectre
07-02-2009, 03:53 PM
:shrug:
Not like I'm married to it either...but at least in this TI we get over in talent unlike most others.
Weezy21
07-02-2009, 04:23 PM
I got this idea from a mod on the Pistons' board. He did it like this:
Nazr/Crash for Rip/Prince.
I made it:
Nazr/Crash/Raja for Rip/Prince.
They are in a seriously bad situation at C.
I know we'd get RIP an prince but I LOVE THIS DUDE...he is the heart an soul of our team...plus didnt MJ trade away RIP from washington cuz he didnt like him or they didnt get along??
SWedd523
07-02-2009, 05:36 PM
No way would I do that trade. Rip has a horrible contract for them and Prince doesn't have much value anymore since they brought Daye in.
We would be sending more value to them then we'd be getting in return.
No way would I do that trade. Rip has a horrible contract for them and Prince doesn't have much value anymore since they brought Daye in.
We would be sending more value to them then we'd be getting in return.
Swedd...I'd agree about Prince in a year or two but no way is Daye ready to start for the Pistons next year...
SWedd523
07-02-2009, 07:15 PM
Swedd...I'd agree about Prince in a year or two but no way is Daye ready to start for the Pistons next year...
No what I'm saying is that since they brought Daye in, it says a lot about Prince's future and makes dealing for him easier since they have a replacement for him. Nah mean?!
No what I'm saying is that since they brought Daye in, it says a lot about Prince's future and makes dealing for him easier since they have a replacement for him. Nah mean?!
I get what you're saying, though Daye is a crappy replacement for Prince if you ask me...
spectre
07-02-2009, 07:43 PM
No what I'm saying is that since they brought Daye in, it says a lot about Prince's future and makes dealing for him easier since they have a replacement for him. Nah mean?!
A 15th pick means Prince's future is in doubt? Most guys who go in that range are at best "depth".
SWedd523
07-02-2009, 08:45 PM
A 15th pick means Prince's future is in doubt? Most guys who go in that range are at best "depth".
There's no doubt that Daye and Prince have similar games and there's no doubt that Dumars is shedding salary for next summer. Before he wouldn't give Prince up because there is nobody that can come close to replacing him. Now that they have Daye, he'd be more willing to deal Prince.
There's no denying Prince's potential. He can be every bit as good as Prince so it's not like he's garbage. Besides, Prince was what.. A late first rounder?
spectre
07-02-2009, 10:26 PM
Yeah I keep forgetting...there were like 15 stars in the first round of this draft!
We'll just have to wait and see I guess. We seem to have a hard time finding good starters in the top part of the lottery in stronger drafts (and Dumars did pick one of the 2 busts in that stellar '03 draft)...so being able to pull such a quick replacement for Prince out of what the majority says is one of the weaker drafts in recent history at 15 would be quite the accomplishment.
SWedd523
07-02-2009, 10:58 PM
You act like Prince was ever a star? He's been a talented guy but has by no means been a star. This past year he had one of his worst seasons and while he's only like 29, his legs have a ton of miles on them so he isn't the same guy he used to be.
I'm not saying Daye will do it or even that he can. But you have to admit that his arrival makes it much more possible.
I'd call Prince a solid starter...but I'd never call him a star...Daye may make Prince expendable...but it will happen next year not this IMO...I don't think Daye is ready to start...Caveat: If Pistons are crappy before the trade dead-line or some teams offers an incredible deal then all bets are off...
spectre
07-03-2009, 06:00 AM
That Pistons squad had a lot of issues going on last season and it wasn't just with Prince. Now certainly Dumars can "hope" Daye will make Prince expendable just like we would love for Henderson to make Raja expendable...but odds are it ain't happening.
I posted an excerpt from an ESPN article a month or so ago (and after going thru about 30 pages in a thread) about getting players in the draft:
Crunch some numbers, as ESPN researcher Tom Haberstroh did, and the draft could easily do with more downsizing. Beyond the first five picks, the quality falls off rapidly. Beyond the first 10, the selection process is a proverbial crapshoot. Actually, it's not that proverbial; teams drafting after the fifth pick are quite likely to pick a crap player and look back on it while using closely related linguistic variants of the word "shoot."
"....Our statistical analysis shows the people picked 10th or above have a decent chance of becoming excellent NBA players. But go any lower, and we mean any lower, and you're in a casino. A foreign casino, with odd games and different languages (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=853327&start=885#). The odds are against players in the last 50 picks giving a team any more value than an average replacement player, as defined by John Hollinger's estimated wins added (EWA) metric.
Not even when the guy you're picking 15th is a genetic replica of the star someone else took 10th.
Consider the numbers. Brook Lopez's EWA this season was 8.6, a number worthy of a No. 1 pick, and far exceeding the expected 3.1 value for a 10th pick. And indeed, his EWA surpassed Rose's 7.5.
Robin? His 3.2 points (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=853327&start=885#), 2.0 rebounds and 0.7 blocks a game translated into an EWA of 0.2 -- in a spot where 2.3 is expected. Ouch.....
And no, I don't think Prince is a star (nor would I do the above trade although I think the value is pretty decent for us); however he is an iron man as he's not missed a game in 6 seasons and for the most part he's an excellent defender...which ain't chicken feed at the 3. The Piston have the same issue we did and do; depth. Heck, now they have worse depth than we do. I'm sure right now Dumars just hopes he can fill that role.
He did get Stuckey at 15th...so there is that.
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