Iverson: Talking with Bobcats, others

[murphman]

Iverson wants mid level one year. Heat want 2 million. I'm sure we can offer more than that. ESPN as also confirmed that we are in talks.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/columnists/barry-jackson/story/1137832.html



• Allen Iverson asked for the $5.8 million midlevel exception from the Heat in a one-year deal, but Miami has been reluctant to pay him much more than $2 million, if that. Iverson also is exploring Memphis and Charlotte, but Miami would be his preference if money is equal. The Heat spoke with the agent for Andre Miller -- who's in a stalemate with Philadelphia -- but hasn't pursued a sign-and-trade, and Miller wants more than the midlevel.

[murphman]

Ugh, mods please add Iverson to the title, I had it there but somehow typed over it.

[GoBobs]

I would much rather go after Nate Robinson if we are going to spend big money

[dnbman]

I would much rather go after Nate Robinson if we are going to spend big money

Well, I think the gist of the article is that AI isn't getting big money. Still not sure I want him, but for a few million, he would be worth the risk.

[dav7z]

Well, I think the gist of the article is that AI isn't getting big money. Still not sure I want him, but for a few million, he would be worth the risk.

Management is stupid not to offer him what it takes to get him to sign up to the MLE. We have no star , sales he would create would more than pay his salery. All so hes going to put a lot more butts in the seats . Creating a bigger folowing because fans will find other favorites for years to come .
Could be a smart investment for Bob and MJ..

[SWedd523]

I wouldn't mind paying him half of the MLE then signing someone else with the other half

[dnbman]

I wouldn't mind paying him half of the MLE then signing someone else with the other half

That's what I'm saying. And if things go bad, you're only writing off a couple of million to tell him to stay home.

Dav, one player doesn't create a fan base. The Bulls fans that only pulled for Michael became Laker fans after he left. Plus, I don't think AI is so good now that he will keep people interested. I'm sure he'll make some great plays, but we already have some guys who can make some electric plays.

We'd be much better off building a solid, blue-collar team that working class and conservative fans could stand behind.

That's why people love teams like the Pistons and the Steelers.

[SWedd523]

That's what I'm saying. And if things go bad, you're only writing off a couple of million to tell him to stay home.

Dav, one player doesn't create a fan base. The Bulls fans that only pulled for Michael became Laker fans after he left. Plus, I don't think AI is so good now that he will keep people interested. I'm sure he'll make some great plays, but we already have some guys who can make some electric plays.

We'd be much better off building a solid, blue-collar team that working class and conservative fans could stand behind.

That's why people love teams like the Pistons and the Steelers.
Exactly right. I'm not the salary guru (hai Tamb) but if we see that he's not doing anything good.. we can just buy him out and release him.


I think Doug is talking more about him bringing fans in because of his name. Casual fans will hear "Allen Iverson signed with the Bobcats" and go "HOLY SHIT ALLEN IVERSON!??!!!?!11!!!ONE!"


They'll come to the arena to watch and will buy his jersey and will put him on a pedestal because the casual fan doesn't really know about his decline. Quite frankly, the casual fan probably doesn't care :facepalm:

[dav7z]

That's what I'm saying. And if things go bad, you're only writing off a couple of million to tell him to stay home.

Dav, one player doesn't create a fan base. The Bulls fans that only pulled for Michael became Laker fans after he left. Plus, I don't think AI is so good now that he will keep people interested. I'm sure he'll make some great plays, but we already have some guys who can make some electric plays.

We'd be much better off building a solid, blue-collar team that working class and conservative fans could stand behind.

That's why people love teams like the Pistons and the Steelers.

Last i read season tickets are actualy up 5% over last season. Lets say AI signed . He would sell at least 1000 more season tickets at say a average of 2000 dollars a pop.
Add all the Bobcat jerseys and other junk the team store sells . The investment is not that bad . While seeing fan favs like Wallace could turn some of those two life long fans.
Yes i too think hes seen his best days and im not a hudge fan of his game now. But from a investment standpoint . Its a no brainer.
AI might actually have somthing to prove and play a hudge part in taking the team to the playoffs, Brown has got good production from AI and respests him somthing he didn't have with the Pistons. We would still have our bi anual exception for a power foward.

All so look at what a one year contract is worth at the trade deadline . Its no telling what AI or even Bell could net in trade for a team making a run.

[dnbman]

I think Doug is talking more about him bringing fans in because of his name. Casual fans will hear "Allen Iverson signed with the Bobcats" and go "HOLY SHIT ALLEN IVERSON!??!!!?!11!!!ONE!"


They'll come to the arena to watch and will buy his jersey and will put him on a pedestal because the casual fan doesn't really know about his decline. Quite frankly, the casual fan probably doesn't care :facepalm:

I understand that completely and it would work in the short term. But, if AI costs us our team identity and we weren't successful as a team, then it could actually set the brand back as AI slowly fades or moves on to another team. The brain trust understood the principle during the expansion draft when they skipped on guys like Antoine Walker.

AI is not a no brainer. You have to have a plan when you introduce a character like him to your team. If you don't, you're waiting for a disaster to happen. And I don't even think AI is that bad of a guy. He just doesn't understand where he now fits on a basketball team.

[davcbow]

Bottem line is we need a scorer, I dont care who it is but we need a good scorer....:cool:

[SWedd523]

I understand that completely and it would work in the short term. But, if AI costs us our team identity and we weren't successful as a team, then it could actually set the brand back as AI slowly fades or moves on to another team. The brain trust understood the principle during the expansion draft when they skipped on guys like Antoine Walker.

AI is not a no brainer. You have to have a plan when you introduce a character like him to your team. If you don't, you're waiting for a disaster to happen. And I don't even think AI is that bad of a guy. He just doesn't understand where he now fits on a basketball team.
That's why you sign him to a 3 mil contract for 1 or 2 years. By the time his negative effect takes hold, we've already squeezed every penny of his value out of him.

The team could easily make enough money in marketing to cover his salary.

[Walt Cronkite]

I would be really happy if we ended up with Iverson. I've flipped flopped at my other posting home, but in light of this update, I'd be comfortable with everything. Here's why:

1. If we're in discussions enough to warrant mention, it must be somewhat serious. I didn't want to get any hopes up one way or the other over source-led rumors or fan speculation.

2. I can't imagine we got this far without LB's blessing. If he's endorsed this move, then I have confidence he's willing to figure out how to make things work, he's probably already hatched a plan.

3. What's the risk, exactly? If we signed him for too long, that'd be bad... but it sounds like he's only getting short offers. So then, what could go wrong? We don't make the playoffs?

[davcbow]

I just hope he is ok with practice....:bang:

[dav7z]

That's why you sign him to a 3 mil contract for 1 or 2 years. By the time his negative effect takes hold, we've already squeezed every penny of his value out of him.

The team could easily make enough money in marketing to cover his salary.

Thats the reason im saying sign him . Even if he turns out as [truble] Its AI he puts us in the news. Any news is better than nothing at all.


But truble is the reason im more for signing him to just one year . He might turn out to be gold in Browns system. Either way he makes up the money in marketing along.
I could even see him starting with Felton in the back court. But he wouldn't be good with DJ at all . Felton is decent guarding some twos . AI and DJ both would be a liability guarding another two.


AI would stop the long scoring drouts the team has. I think he still has a go to ability ,and would be much better than Felton taking the last shot. And would help with the shot clock running down.

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Question, would he find peace with the fact that developing DJ is far more important than letting a guy riding his sleigh downhill get the starting job? It's Iverson, that name alone tells me he wouldn't.

[Walt Cronkite]

I don't think he'd care about starting or anything, just getting a lot of minutes. I'm one of the biggest DJ supporters on RGM, but I'd be fine with him being the odd man out if giving his potential minutes to AI made us a better team.

Maybe DJ and Lex going to the NBADL together wouldn't be so bad either from a chemistry perspective.

[bing!]

I don't think he'd care about starting or anything, just getting a lot of minutes. I'm one of the biggest DJ supporters on RGM, but I'd be fine with him being the odd man out if giving his potential minutes to AI made us a better team.

Maybe DJ and Lex going to the NBADL together wouldn't be so bad either from a chemistry perspective.

:fighting: (thank you Swedd)

[Walt Cronkite]

I wouldn't have typically thought of the NBADL part except that I read a post Doc wrote about how the Souix Falls PGs kind of iced the big guy, which I had forgotten about. You would think DJ wouldn't do that.

I can't imagine we'd ever actually do that and I don't know how I'd feel if it happened, just saying, makes some sense from a brainstorming perspective.

Edit: And also, I think the caveat that you bolded is quite relevant. I'll sign on to whatever move we make if the bottom line is that it makes us a better team.

[Dead_Real]

Question, would he find peace with the fact that developing DJ is far more important than letting a guy riding his sleigh downhill get the starting job? It's Iverson, that name alone tells me he wouldn't.
His main competition would be Hendo & Bell only time he should get burn at PG position is due to an injury to Ray/DJ14.

[bing!]

^ keeping AI on the floor is detrimental to DJ's minutes whatever position he (AI) plays, DJ+AI pairing is plain suicide. As long as he's manning the SG, adding DJ to the mix is lethal for Cats' defensive effort... sort of.

[Dead_Real]

^ keeping AI on the floor is detrimental to DJ's minutes whatever position he (AI) plays, DJ+AI pairing is plain suicide. As long as he's manning the SG, adding DJ to the mix is lethal for Cats' defensive effort... sort of.
It's only a issue if it's a match up problem say were playing GSW, Knicks or the Suns a DJ/AI pairing wouldn't be that bad since those teams get up & down/play small ball anyway. Other than that any of those guys can play with Ray & DJ would pair well with any 2 guard but Iverson since there bigger & defensive minded.

A minutes issue would occur with Hendo, Bell & Iverson which is why I would try to move Bell like I've said before.

[GOBOBCATS24]

When we had the Q&A with Rod Higgins at the camp one of the younger kids asked if we wree gonna get Allen Iverson. Rod said that we are currently looking to better our team and he doesnt really feel like Allen could contribute unless he fully grasps the team situation and plays as a team player. He ended the answer by saying "Never say never". that kind of told me that we werent interested in Allen Iverson. He also stated that it wouldnt at all be a bad thing if we didnt sign any FA's this offseason and went into the season the same team we were at the end of last year plus a couple of beastly draft picks. UPS got game btw. But this ESPN deal kind of surprises me a bit that we are even talking to him after hearing what Rod said on saturday. I personally think Allen would thrive in Charlotte. I think he would fit right into our system. Remember how amazing he was with the sixers when LB was with them? If we could have that AI or maybe even 3/4ths of that AI, then I say lets spend our MLE on him!

[rsxnova]

I will take AI as long as we can find a suiter for Bell.

[bing!]

His best season under Larry was 00-01 (per PER index) where he was shooting 42% from the field and was taking nearly 26 shots/game. Now, imagine him taking about 19 shots per game on sub40% shooting (taking your 3/4 of AI in account) on a team where Ray was the least gun-shy player taking 13 shots... do you see where I'm going... ball-hogging, minute-hogging, trouble-mongering, PRACTICE... we're talking about practice-esque fiascos...

Sure, we need a scorer, how about swapping with the lakers for Ammo...

(the rest of BCP folk) -> :fighting: <- bing!

:biggrin:

NO to Iverson!

[Fred Williamson]

I will take AI as long as we can find a suiter for Bell.


right, let's trade away our best defender and difference maker from last season, and sign an old midget who's a worse shooter than Felton and a defensive black hole.


I hope Miami signs him.

[ziggy]

right, let's trade away our best defender and difference maker from last season, and sign an old midget who's a worse shooter than Felton and a defensive black hole.


I hope Miami signs him.


I'm with you Schnitzel, A 34 year old, undersized, low fg% defensive liability that will take minutes away from DJ, Ray & The People's Elbow is something that we do not need.

[davcbow]

We need a high % shooter with some defensive skills not a has been....:cool:

[Fred Williamson]

Bell shoots 42% from the three and after he went down with the injury, we've lost like 7 games in a row.

[GOBOBCATS24]

so basically we need Kobe. okay well the next best thing to Kobe would be MJ so yeah. what i'm saying is I'm not sure that there are many options for us to go for at sg unless we spend a buttload of money. I'm just saying AI on the cheap is better than nothing you know?

[Black]

AI is in "very serious" talks with the Clippers

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers14-2009jul14,0,3368713.story

[teej]

Clippers do nothing seriously...except lose.

[davcbow]

I hope they keep losing too....:biggrin:

[Scottley Crue]

AI is in "very serious" talks with the Clippers

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers14-2009jul14,0,3368713.story
Hmmmm...sounds like his camp trying to make some smoke so others will believe there's a fire. I'd be Ok signing him here if it was for one year, $2-$3 million and we could get a suitable return (read: decent backup PF) for Bell. Other than that, I'd like to make a run at said decent backup PF and go from there.

[LiquidWayno]

I can see our team duking it out with the Heat (among others) for 5/6 playoff spot, and I think Miami signing Iverson would affect them negatively. I really hope he goes there - I feel bad enough for the Grizzlies for trading for Z-Bo, I can't wish Iverson on them too. That trainwreck wouldn't even be entertaining.

Dwyane Wade and Iverson both rely on creating their own shot, I don't really see them working all that well together, especially when you consider their suspect outside shooting and high volume/low percentages. Iverson signing with Miami would probably negate Chalmers' development too (as it would like do to DJ in the QC), so I think they would fall behind us in the long-run.

I would rather make a run at Rip Hamilton. If we end up turning to AI, well, I will have to trust LB more than ever before.

[davcbow]

I can see our team duking it out with the Heat (among others) for 5/6 playoff spot, and I think Miami signing Iverson would affect them negatively. I really hope he goes there - I feel bad enough for the Grizzlies for trading for Z-Bo, I can't wish Iverson on them too. That trainwreck wouldn't even be entertaining.

Dwyane Wade and Iverson both rely on creating their own shot, I don't really see them working all that well together, especially when you consider their suspect outside shooting and high volume/low percentages. Iverson signing with Miami would probably negate Chalmers' development too (as it would like do to DJ in the QC), so I think they would fall behind us in the long-run.

I would rather make a run at Rip Hamilton. If we end up turning to AI, well, I will have to trust LB more than ever before.

I think the Magic will be worse this year no matter what losing Turko because he contributed a lot more than people realize...AI cant replace that at all...:cool:

[ammofan]

we need to just sign him....cant do any harm

[mrtarheel]

Henderson goes 1 for 3 in his debut and we sit here wondering to sign AI or not. It to me is a given, if Bell goes down all we have is defense no pts. I say we give him 1yr 3 mil and start from there. We can't afford to fall behind that far. You can't judge Hendo off of 1 game but I just don't see him being able to give us scoring and Bell is due to get hurt during the season so we need AI more than people think or want to realize. The only other option I see is Hamilton. It's about time we get into the swing of things and start gettting the team together.

[ammofan]

Henderson goes 1 for 3 in his debut and we sit here wondering to sign AI or not. It to me is a given, if Bell goes down all we have is defense no pts. I say we give him 1yr 3 mil and start from there. We can't afford to fall behind that far. You can't judge Hendo off of 1 game but I just don't see him being able to give us scoring and Bell is due to get hurt during the season so we need AI more than people think or want to realize. The only other option I see is Hamilton. It's about time we get into the swing of things and start gettting the team together.

i know.....its kinda ridiculous that everyone thinks Raja/Hendo is better than adding AI.....I just dont get it.

[dnbman]

i know.....its kinda ridiculous that everyone thinks Raja/Hendo is better than adding AI.....I just dont get it.

Because basketball isn't math. Just because you add "x" ppg doesn't meet you net that in team points or win more games. AI has made a career of being an army of 1. Now his skill set isn't as good as his ego. So, what effect does he have on the rest of the team.

We need a PF too. Should we get Rodman?

[ammofan]

Because basketball isn't math. Just because you add "x" ppg doesn't meet you net that in team points or win more games. AI has made a career of being an army of 1. Now his skill set isn't as good as his ego. So, what effect does he have on the rest of the team.

We need a PF too. Should we get Rodman?

I know that, i'm not stupid. But like other people said lets just sign him, worst we can do is not make the playoffs again. All adding Iverson's skill can do is help. And our surrounding players DO NOT demand the ball or need to in order to score. We just have a need for a true scorer and someone who is a star...

And there's no need to be an idiot by asking me if we should get Rodman too.

[mrtarheel]

You have to score to win. Sure we need a pf also but if we continue to sit on our tails and hope for miracles it isn't going to happen. You have to go out and get what you want or at least try. There are alot of restricted and unrestricted pf still left out there but there is only one AI and only a few scores at that position left, so choose your poison. Think about it when the shot clock is running down who would you rather have the ball Felts, or Felts driving dishing off to AI?

[davcbow]

Think about it when the shot clock is running down who would you rather have the ball Felts, or Felts driving dishing off to AI?

Id rather have Felts driving dishing off to anyone that can shoot better than him weather its AI or someone better....:cool:

[dnbman]

Because you said:


i know.....its kinda ridiculous that everyone thinks Raja/Hendo is better than adding AI.....I just dont get it.

Raja and Henderson can easily be better than adding AI if AI is trying to take over games and not able to score 30 per a night. Nobody's calling you an idiot, but you're saying you think it's ridiculous that several people are concerned about signing AI. Aside from the fact that AI might not be the panacea scorer that some on here think, signing him takes away flexibility to sign other players that we need.

I'd MUCH rather have a good rebounding PF than another scorer at this point.

Again, AI is not a takeover scorer that automatically changes your fortunes. He's a guy going downhill, making VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE TEAMS IN THE NBA refrain from signing him for anything more than a few million.

Say you think we should sign the guy: great. I get it. But don't say it's ridiculous for people to be scared to sign him when the entire NBA brain trust feels the same way.


All adding Iverson's skill can do is help.

Not true. As I'm sure most people on here will agree, Iverson can hurt a team quite a bit.

[dnbman]

You have to score to win. Sure we need a pf also but if we continue to sit on our tails and hope for miracles it isn't going to happen. You have to go out and get what you want or at least try. There are alot of restricted and unrestricted pf still left out there but there is only one AI and only a few scores at that position left, so choose your poison. Think about it when the shot clock is running down who would you rather have the ball Felts, or Felts driving dishing off to AI?

I'd love to have Robert Horry in that situation, but that doesn't mean I want to sign the guy. You have to think about the character of the team, the 82 game grind, and the flow of the game as a whole.

AI, like TO, is a huge distraction. He might make you successful, but you have to have a plan when you sign him.

[TheBeagle]

I don't undertand why some are already giving up on Henderson. I was in the minority about not liking the pick, then I warm up to it, and now people want 12 relegated to 3rd string behind Raja and AI just because he supposedly can't score?!?!

If you want AI (and no, I don't), that's fine, but don't give up on 12 before he's played anything amounting to meaningful basketball as a professional.

[teej]

But don't say it's ridiculous for people to be scared to sign him when the entire NBA brain trust feels the same way.

The entire NBA braintrust thought it was stupid to draft Raja Bell, too. Or trade J-Rich for him and Diaw...

[dnbman]

The entire NBA braintrust thought it was stupid to draft Raja Bell, too. Or trade J-Rich for him and Diaw...

No they didn't. Where as, AI doesn't have a contract.

[teej]

No they didn't. Where as, AI doesn't have a contract.

Really? That's why LB was the only one to give Raja a shot, and everyone made fun of us for making that deal.

I think you overestimate the abilities of NBA gm's, and their assistants.

[SWedd523]

Really? That's why LB was the only one to give Raja a shot, and everyone made fun of us for making that deal.

I think you overestimate the abilities of NBA gm's, and their assistants.
You do realize that we are one of, if not the, biggest laughingstocks in the League?

We could have traded for LeBron and they would have made fun of us.

[davcbow]

Smash will be fine, Rome wasnt built in a day and you cant tell a quality player from just one game.....:cool:

[teej]

You do realize that we are one of, if not the, biggest laughingstocks in the League?

We could have traded for LeBron and they would have made fun of us.

That's a bit of a reach. But there's a reason we're a laughingstock. I have to convince people all the time that the team isn't a waste of money to go see now...

[dnbman]

Really? That's why LB was the only one to give Raja a shot, and everyone made fun of us for making that deal.

I think you overestimate the abilities of NBA gm's, and their assistants.

LB wasn't the only one. LB gave the guy 12 minutes a night in Phili. Raja then worked his way through contracts with Dallas, Utah, and Phoenix, only to be traded because the Suns were imploding. He's a classic example of a guy working hard to improve and teams giving him what he's due.

As for the trade, you don't know what other teams thought about it. You know what ESPN, SI, Yahoo, and their ilk know about it.

To get back to the point at hand, yes, I feel pretty comfortable EVEN SUGGESTING that AI might not be a good idea. I don't think it's ridiculous to say so when so many teams want to win a title and are still hesitant to sign the guy.

[SWedd523]

That's a bit of a reach. But there's a reason we're a laughingstock. I have to convince people all the time that the team isn't a waste of money to go see now...
hyperbole + sarcasm = lost meaning?

[gforce33]

we need you ai!!!

[Marvel]

I don't want AI but it ain't about me is it.I really hope he ends up somewhere else i just don't understand how over the last 2 years AI hasn't helped any team and now eveybody here has a hard on for him.He needs the ball in his hands aahhh 99% of the time the other 1% is when he's on the bench and even then he's calling out to his teammates to run a play for him.This team is successful with ball movement/running an offense not oh AI we'll stand around and watch you dribble the ball 150 times.Diaw,Felts,DJ,Raja,Gerald will see major drops in every stat category if AI comes here.

[davcbow]

I dont like nor dislike AI all I will say is ILBIT......:biggrin:

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This discussion makes me wanna quote myself from earlier in this thread, but I'm too tired and still drowsy... kinda like AI.

[Fred Williamson]

.Diaw,Felts,DJ,Raja,Gerald will see major drops in every stat category if AI comes here.

I'm sure they'll get very pissed because of AIs ballhogging.

[110oldeast]

I have no beef with AI, but we need another wing who can KNOCK DOWN the jumper on the wing. Versatility and athleticism at some point has diminished returns, especially when a team goes zone or just sags into the lane.

I think we need another 2 g who can knock it down from the perimeter. It's also why I don't agree with the various ideas that involve shipping off the only guys with the potential to consistently knock it down on the wing in Raja and/or Vlad without yielding this skillset in return. Give me a 2g who can spread the floor and knock down the shot when it's kicked out to him and a rugged back up PF and I am beyond happy.

[gforce33]

why LB seems dose not have find AI

sorry for my bad eng

[SWedd523]

I don't want AI but it ain't about me is it.I really hope he ends up somewhere else i just don't understand how over the last 2 years AI hasn't helped any team and now eveybody here has a hard on for him.He needs the ball in his hands aahhh 99% of the time the other 1% is when he's on the bench and even then he's calling out to his teammates to run a play for him.This team is successful with ball movement/running an offense not oh AI we'll stand around and watch you dribble the ball 150 times.Diaw,Felts,DJ,Raja,Gerald will see major drops in every stat category if AI comes here.

that's a bit of a reach. I think the general consensus is that the only way we'll take him is if it's a one or two year deal for no more than $3mil. Anything more.... We don't want him.


I'm sure they'll get very pissed because of AIs ballhogging.

well it sure would piss my girlfriend off...
:evil-grin:

[SamTheBobcat]

Look as long as we resign felton and we have dj we will be fine at the point iverson will just be a cancer to our team if we add him the only thing he can bring to the table is iverson fans to the games

[teej]

Look as long as we resign felton and we have dj we will be fine at the point iverson will just be a cancer to our team if we add him the only thing he can bring to the table is iverson fans to the games

Does anyone get that we wouldn't use Iverson at the fucking point? :facepalm:

[Walt Cronkite]

I think we wouldn't use him as the point technically, but I think he'd be the primary ballhander unless Felton was off of the court. Bell, Diaw and Felton would initiate the majority of the offense from the top of the key or the extended wing.

[SWedd523]

I think we wouldn't use him as the point technically, but I think he'd be the primary ballhander unless Felton was off of the court. Bell, Diaw and Felton would initiate the majority of the offense from the top of the key or the extended wing.
Offense WITH Iverson
AI: dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot.
Rest of team: YAWN


Offensive WITHOUT Iverson
Team: dribble, pass, dribble dribble, pass, dribble, pass, pass, shoot.


I'd rather go with option B.

[Weezy21]

Does anyone get that we wouldn't use Iverson at the fucking point? :facepalm:

i no! y the hell are ppl talkin about dj an felton? listen...iverson tried the point last year in detroit 4 a lil while...it didnt work...the man is a SG...havent yall heard of eric snow?

[dnbman]

i no! y the hell are ppl talkin about dj an felton? listen...iverson tried the point last year in detroit 4 a lil while...it didnt work...the man is a SG...havent yall heard of eric snow?

I have heard of Eric Snow. I'm not sure I've seen him actually dribble or shoot the ball though.

Like others have said, AI isn't a pg, but he dominates the ball like one. Plus, he can't guard twos on the defensive end.

[BETCATS]

Offense WITH Iverson
AI: dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot.
Rest of team: YAWN


Offensive WITHOUT Iverson
Team: dribble, pass, dribble dribble, pass, dribble, pass, pass, shoot.


I'd rather go with option B.

Do you honestly think LB would let that happen. Iverson loved Larry, and in Philly they used 'teamwork' as much as they could. However, the supporting casts in Philly were always lackluster (due to terrible GMing by Billy King) and the one year Iverson had a good supporting cast with Larry, he won MVP and made it to the finals.

[bing!]

^ which was back in 01... which is kinda the point.

[Marvel]

Don't even bring that 2001 s**z here dude that was like what 8 years ago,if that was the case shit we might as well get MJ back on the floor cause he was the MVP in the 90's right.Like Paul Pierce said "what have you done for me lately".

[Zoolander]

I say no to Iverson. He doesn't fit our system. One guy like him may sale tickets to the causal fan, but hard core fans know how he'll kill team chemistry and ultimately may cause us to loose a few more games instead of winning a few. Those who are arguing that point, The whole he'll put butts in the seat argument have got it backwards. Winning is what does that. I don't think Iverson coming here provides that.

[Walt Cronkite]

DEREK ZOOLANDER POSTS HERE!? This board is WAY better than RGM!

[davcbow]

BobcatsPlanet rules peroid!!!!! :clapping:

[kickazzz2000]

Offense WITH Iverson
AI: dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot.
Rest of team: YAWN


Offensive WITHOUT Iverson
Team: dribble, pass, dribble dribble, pass, dribble, pass, pass, 24 second violation (or rushed bad shot).


I'd rather go with option B.

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[teej]

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lolol so true

[SWedd523]

lolol so true
Aren't you the one advocating the Point Guard/Forward team? :facepalm:

[bing!]

^ yes, + AI to spice up the offense by not letting anyone else touch the ball, so much for play-making... just kidding, teej.

[Ghost Kat]

Maybe this would have worked last year, But not now. We don't want to over load on guards when Bigs are the problem for this team. Always has been. I love Iverson, But there's really not a spot on this team for him right now. Unless a couple people are willing to take a back seat.

[Demon DeaCat]

I don't necessarily agree that we're overloaded with guards. We really don't know what we have in Henderson at this point. He may be a solid rotation guy, or he may not be any better than Cartier. I think we're in a position where we just need to go after the best player we can get. In my opinion that's AI. I know others disagree, but whatever the case, I don't think we should rule out bringing in a backcourt player if it upgrades our overall talent level significantly. I would assume the FO agrees since we were going after Childress.

[teej]

Aren't you the one advocating the Point Guard/Forward team? :facepalm:

I was just laughing at how everyone thinks that this team is so much better off without Iverson. We have no go-to scorer because Raja's too old, Gerald's inconsistent outside the paint, and Boris is too unselfish to a point that it hurts us.

AI fills a need. That's taking shots. Unless you want more of Ray? Because he seems to get enough shit from you guys.

[SWedd523]

I was just laughing at how everyone thinks that this team is so much better off without Iverson. We have no go-to scorer because Raja's too old, Gerald's inconsistent outside the paint, and Boris is too unselfish to a point that it hurts us.

AI fills a need. That's taking shots. Unless you want more of Ray? Because he seems to get enough shit from you guys.
You act like AI is the only guy who would take some shots lol :facepalm:

[teej]

You act like AI is the only guy who would take some shots lol :facepalm:

No, but he's the best available for us overall, and the only one who's salary is negated by revenue impact.

I try to look at things from a GM's POV, not a fan's.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Funny...mike wilburn on pti today said the only place where AI would make an impacy is in charlotte...he thinks LB is the only one that would be able to squeeze something out of him

[Marvel]

I was just laughing at how everyone thinks that this team is so much better off without Iverson. We have no go-to scorer because Raja's too old, Gerald's inconsistent outside the paint, and Boris is too unselfish to a point that it hurts us.

AI fills a need. That's taking shots. Unless you want more of Ray? Because he seems to get enough shit from you guys.


LOL,and how is AI less unselfish than Diaw:facepalm:

[teej]

LOL,and how is AI less unselfish than Diaw:facepalm:

We NEED someone selfish...

[Scottley Crue]

We NEED someone selfish...
I don't know if it's selfish as much as it is being intelligently aggressive (I'm probably just arguing semantics, though). I absolutely love what Diaw brings to this team. There are times, however, when he can dominate who's guarding him and he just doesn't do it. I'd love to have someone who wasn't afraid (for lack of a better word) to take full advantage of a mismatch when they have it.

[teej]

I don't know if it's selfish as much as it is being intelligently aggressive (I'm probably just arguing semantics, though). I absolutely love what Diaw brings to this team. There are times, however, when he can dominate who's guarding him and he just doesn't do it. I'd love to have someone who wasn't afraid (for lack of a better word) to take full advantage of a mismatch when they have it.

Just what I was saying, only better. :p

[SWedd523]

No, but he's the best available for us overall, and the only one who's salary is negated by revenue impact.

I try to look at things from a GM's POV, not a fan's.
Then you're ass backwards.


A fan looks at it like: OMFG ALLEN IVERSON?! He's like a 68ppg guy!! wee needsz him!

A GM looks at it like: Pass. (kinda like what nearly EVERY GM has done thus far)


You know I like AI. I just don't want a player like that to disrupt a young team's nucleus when we can get 16ppg from someone else. You love the fact that Diaw (Point Forward) and Ray (Point Guard) both initiate the offense. They will both see tremendously reduced roles with AI.

[Walt Cronkite]

Eric Snow and Aaron McKie didn't see tremendously reduced roles.

[SWedd523]

Eric Snow and Aaron McKie didn't see tremendously reduced roles.
Felton >>> Snow and McKie wasn't a power forward.

Neither one needed the ball to be effective either.

[teej]

A fan looks at it like: OMFG ALLEN IVERSON?! He's like a 68ppg guy!! wee needsz him!

A GM looks at it like: Pass. (kinda like what nearly EVERY GM has done thus far)

Except Miami, Memphis, Charlotte, and I seem to remember one other besides LAC, which I don't count because Dumbleavy isn't a real GM. And lots of teams are set at the 2 guard already, it's the easiest position to find because you can convert lots of points and 3's to play it. And the fact that there's a lot of 6'4 guys out there. But we need a scorer, and AI's the best fit. He's not the same kind of fit for other teams, who don't have a proven coach (like we do) or a need at that position (like we do) or a need for his revenue (LIKE WE DO)


You know I like AI. I just don't want a player like that to disrupt a young team's nucleus when we can get 16ppg from someone else. You love the fact that Diaw (Point Forward) and Ray (Point Guard) both initiate the offense. They will both see tremendously reduced roles with AI.

The Fuck? Raja and Hendo would be the only one with a reduced role, Boris' and Ray's roles would just have AI in them instead of Shot Clock Violations...I could maybe see him affecting Ray, but Boris? Please explain, because you've lost me. I think you've played the game more than me but I know a fair deal about basketball...

[SWedd523]

Except Miami, Memphis, Charlotte, and I seem to remember one other besides LAC, which I don't count because Dumbleavy isn't a real GM. And lots of teams are set at the 2 guard already, it's the easiest position to find because you can convert lots of points and 3's to play it. And the fact that there's a lot of 6'4 guys out there. But we need a scorer, and AI's the best fit. He's not the same kind of fit for other teams, who don't have a proven coach (like we do) or a need at that position (like we do) or a need for his revenue (LIKE WE DO)

We both agree that Dumbleavy doesn't know what he's doing. Miami is just looking for ways to keep Wade around and they really weren't that serious as they only offered a 1 year/2mil deal. I can't really figure Memphis out though.. As for us, nobody in our FO said we were looking at him, just because everybody wants to automatically assume we're the place for him doesn't mean we really do.


The Fuck? Raja and Hendo would be the only one with a reduced role, Boris' and Ray's roles would just have AI in them instead of Shot Clock Violations...I could maybe see him affecting Ray, but Boris? Please explain, because you've lost me. I think you've played the game more than me but I know a fair deal about basketball...

Ray's biggest strength is driving the lane and kicking out. If AI has the the ball the majority of the time then what is Ray gonna do? He's obviously not a very good outside shooter so he can't take advantage of any kickouts from AI and his defender is just going to sag to the lane.

Boris, as we all know isn't the best rebounder or defender. His game revolves around having the ball, running pick and rolls, and passing the ball. Again, if AI has the ball the majority of the time, what is he gonna do? Bang? Not his forte. (Boris does, however, have a decent shot so he COULD take some shots.. but that's still a tremendously reduced role).


Raja would benefit though because he's our best shooter and would be nice next to AI because of his defense. But that backcourt would be old as sin. Mek may also slightly benefit as he could get putback points, IF HE COULD LEARN HOW TO DUNK ON SOMEBODY.

Crash would be indifferent.

[teej]

We both agree that Dumbleavy doesn't know what he's doing. Miami is just looking for ways to keep Wade around and they really weren't that serious as they only offered a 1 year/2mil deal. I can't really figure Memphis out though.. As for us, nobody in our FO said we were looking at him, just because everybody wants to automatically assume we're the place for him doesn't mean we really do.



Ray's biggest strength is driving the lane and kicking out. If AI has the the ball the majority of the time then what is Ray gonna do? He's obviously not a very good outside shooter so he can't take advantage of any kickouts from AI and his defender is just going to sag to the lane.

Boris, as we all know isn't the best rebounder or defender. His game revolves around having the ball, running pick and rolls, and passing the ball. Again, if AI has the ball the majority of the time, what is he gonna do? Bang? Not his forte. (Boris does, however, have a decent shot so he COULD take some shots.. but that's still a tremendously reduced role).


Raja would benefit though because he's our best shooter and would be nice next to AI because of his defense. But that backcourt would be old as sin. Mek may also slightly benefit as he could get putback points, IF HE COULD LEARN HOW TO DUNK ON SOMEBODY.

Crash would be indifferent.

If we sign AI I honestly see Bell leaving...I wouldn't like that but that's what happens. I still think LB can convince AI that he can survive without holding the ball the entire game...let Boris run it up the court or Ray. Do a 3-pass-before-you-can-shoot rule unless you're wide open...

[SWedd523]

If we sign AI I honestly see Bell leaving...I wouldn't like that but that's what happens. I still think LB can convince AI that he can survive without holding the ball the entire game...let Boris run it up the court or Ray. Do a 3-pass-before-you-can-shoot rule unless you're wide open...
Lol wishhhful thinking.

Who would shoot the ball?

[teej]

Lol wishhhful thinking.

Who would shoot the ball?

AI, 3d, and Crash

[SWedd523]

AI, 3d, and Crash

Diaw is the only one that shoots a respectable % from the FT Line extended.

[Walt Cronkite]

So we shouldn't get AI because Felton can't shoot or because he can't drive and dish to AI? Iverson had the highest TS% of his career his final season in Denver.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

So we shouldn't get AI because Felton can't shoot or because he can't drive and dish to AI? Iverson had the highest TS% of his career his final season in Denver.

surprisingly AI leads in made game winning shots..with a respectable percentage
http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

[GOBOBCATS24]

i mean do you guys seriously think that we can possibly win the Championship this year by not signing Allen Iverson to the MLE? I mean seriously isn't that the main goal. I dont wanna just make the playoffs and lose. I wanna win the whole freakin deal. I think Allen Iverson would give us the best possible chance to become a legitimate threat. I mean if we make it to the finals we would play the Lakers and we are the only team in the NBA who can consistently beat them so yeah. Allen Iverson is worth a lot more than 5.8 million. especially if LB is your coach. murder me with words if you please

[Demon DeaCat]

The whole AI discussion basically comes down to whether or not you think we're good enough as is. I don't see us as more than a .500 team as we are now. We lost an awful lot of close games in the last 5 minutes last year. How many times did we watch the same script play out where we maintained an 8-10 point first half lead, then the other team would close the gap in the 3rd quarter, we trade baskets throughout the 4th only to end up losing as a result of 3 or 4 straight empty possessions at the end of the game or OT. When the defense stiffens in crunch time, unless you have a dominant post scorer, which we don't, or guys who can create their own shot and get to the line (Felton's really it) you're going to lose more of those games than you win. AI would give us another guy that could score in those situations.

We could still make the playoffs with our current team, but it will be a battle with Philly, Atl, Mia, Chi, Det, Tor, and Was. Adding AI puts us closer to the top of that list IMO.

I'm not saying his addition is without risk, but no personnel move is, and I think that risk is minimal with a potentially high reward. He'd most likely be on a 1-yr deal for probably $4 mil at most. If he turns out to be the cancer some fear, we just "Jamal Tinsley" him and at worst we have the team we had last year. Furthermore, what exactly is it we're afraid he's going to mess up? We're talking about a team that won 35 games last year. Even after the trade, we were still below .500. I'm a firm believer in "if it ain't broke don't fix it", but a sub .500 team is broken. We don't have the luxury to not sign AI.

[ammofan]

i mean do you guys seriously think that we can possibly win the Championship this year by not signing Allen Iverson to the MLE? I mean seriously isn't that the main goal. I dont wanna just make the playoffs and lose. I wanna win the whole freakin deal. I think Allen Iverson would give us the best possible chance to become a legitimate threat. I mean if we make it to the finals we would play the Lakers and we are the only team in the NBA who can consistently beat them so yeah. Allen Iverson is worth a lot more than 5.8 million. especially if LB is your coach. murder me with words if you please

Exactly....we would have no chance against Boston or Cleveland in rd. 1

[davcbow]

Exactly....we would have no chance against Boston or Cleveland in rd. 1

Boston we have a chance against a small one but its still a chance, Cleveland? hell we cant even have a close game against them as is and now they have the old guy at center and we still have Mek... The only chance to get at them is if we get better personnel but until we free up money it wont happen....:cool:

[teej]

The whole AI discussion basically comes down to whether or not you think we're good enough as is. I don't see us as more than a .500 team as we are now. We lost an awful lot of close games in the last 5 minutes last year. How many times did we watch the same script play out where we maintained an 8-10 point first half lead, then the other team would close the gap in the 3rd quarter, we trade baskets throughout the 4th only to end up losing as a result of 3 or 4 straight empty possessions at the end of the game or OT. When the defense stiffens in crunch time, unless you have a dominant post scorer, which we don't, or guys who can create their own shot and get to the line (Felton's really it) you're going to lose more of those games than you win. AI would give us another guy that could score in those situations.

We could still make the playoffs with our current team, but it will be a battle with Philly, Atl, Mia, Chi, Det, Tor, and Was. Adding AI puts us closer to the top of that list IMO.

I'm not saying his addition is without risk, but no personnel move is, and I think that risk is minimal with a potentially high reward. He'd most likely be on a 1-yr deal for probably $4 mil at most. If he turns out to be the cancer some fear, we just "Jamal Tinsley" him and at worst we have the team we had last year. Furthermore, what exactly is it we're afraid he's going to mess up? We're talking about a team that won 35 games last year. Even after the trade, we were still below .500. I'm a firm believer in "if it ain't broke don't fix it", but a sub .500 team is broken. We don't have the luxury to not sign AI.

Spot on...and even if we Jamaal Tinsley him his contract is still paid for in the first few weeks of his signing, so it's a win-win

Though I don't think you're giving this roster enough credit for what it does. Our starters are +.500

[Mustachio]

The whole AI discussion basically comes down to whether or not you think we're good enough as is. I don't see us as more than a .500 team as we are now. We lost an awful lot of close games in the last 5 minutes last year. How many times did we watch the same script play out where we maintained an 8-10 point first half lead, then the other team would close the gap in the 3rd quarter, we trade baskets throughout the 4th only to end up losing as a result of 3 or 4 straight empty possessions at the end of the game or OT. When the defense stiffens in crunch time, unless you have a dominant post scorer, which we don't, or guys who can create their own shot and get to the line (Felton's really it) you're going to lose more of those games than you win. AI would give us another guy that could score in those situations.

We could still make the playoffs with our current team, but it will be a battle with Philly, Atl, Mia, Chi, Det, Tor, and Was. Adding AI puts us closer to the top of that list IMO.

I'm not saying his addition is without risk, but no personnel move is, and I think that risk is minimal with a potentially high reward. He'd most likely be on a 1-yr deal for probably $4 mil at most. If he turns out to be the cancer some fear, we just "Jamal Tinsley" him and at worst we have the team we had last year. Furthermore, what exactly is it we're afraid he's going to mess up? We're talking about a team that won 35 games last year. Even after the trade, we were still below .500. I'm a firm believer in "if it ain't broke don't fix it", but a sub .500 team is broken. We don't have the luxury to not sign AI.


I like this Allen Iverson as a "closer" idea. Just like in baseball... we would bring in the guy that we knew... for at least a short period of time could get the job done. could we also float the idea of giving him bad ass music to come into, and maybe even coming in from the locker room instead of the bench.

[teej]

I like this Allen Iverson as a "closer" idea. Just like in baseball... we would bring in the guy that we knew... for at least a short period of time could get the job done. could we also float the idea of giving him bad ass music to come into, and maybe even coming in from the locker room instead of the bench.

LOL love it...maybe the rap remix of crazy train?

[TheLegend]

I think we're still in the hunt of getting Iverson.......maybe.





Grizzlies are out for A.I., same for Clippers?

LAS VEGAS – Don’t expect Allen Iverson(notes) to wear a Memphis Grizzlies uniform next season. His chances of suiting up for the Los Angeles Clippers don’t look too good, either.

Two sources with knowledge of the Grizzlies’ plans said Thursday that any negotiations between the team and Iverson were “dead.” Memphis offered Iverson a one-year, $5 million contract with the stipulation that he would likely need to come off the bench. The Grizzlies, however, have not spoken to Iverson or his management team since early July, and neither side appears to have any interest in restarting talks.

“Why would a future Hall of Famer come off the bench for a team that won’t make the playoffs?” said one Western Conference executive.

Though Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley said he’d be willing to add Iverson, some team officials worry about the impact Iverson’s dominant personality would have on young guards O.J. Mayo(notes) and Michael Conley.

Much like the Grizzlies, the Clippers were intrigued by Iverson’s ability to sell tickets, as well as his talent. One agent who had spoken to Clippers officials in recent days said the team was distancing itself from Iverson after acquiring point guard Sebastian Telfair(notes) from the Minnesota Timberwolves and is possibly weighing an offer to free-agent guard Ramon Sessions(notes) – though one NBA source cautioned there was still “some life” in talks between the two sides.

Clippers second-year guard Eric Gordon(notes) stands to be among the most impacted should the team sign Iverson, but he’s kept an open mind (at least publicly) about the possibility he and A.I. could become teammates.

“Iverson is a Hall of Famer,” Gordon said at the Team USA minicamp. “But everyone is talking about how he is a different guy in the locker room and on the court. A.I.’s a big personality. Dude is a warrior. You can always learn from that and take that as an advantage for any of his teammates.

“We almost play the same position, but I’m not too worried about it. Things happen all the time. You just got to adjust.”

With the Grizzlies moving on and the Clippers’ interest apparently waning, Iverson’s options on the free-agent market could be dwindling. League sources still counted the Miami Heat and Charlotte Bobcats as possible destinations.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuKLGA3n2NzdiS_NvzjDUOK8vLYF?slug=mc-iverson072309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[rsxnova]

LOL love it...maybe the rap remix of crazy train?

His entrance should be that Press Hop song.