View Full Version : Felton, not as close as we think?
rsxnova
07-15-2009, 04:24 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4329989
Higgins and Felton's agent met in Vegas to work out a deal. It appears they are not as close to a deal as we thought.
Dead_Real
07-15-2009, 04:32 PM
http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/4324/43245568bd4aad6738abfac691702c45a3bae4b.gif
I wonder what numbers were brought up on both sides.
TattoodCats4life
07-15-2009, 05:09 PM
Ray is probably thinking "uhm, I'm worth more than Diop, Nazr,& Radmonovich"
Higgins is probably thinking "He'll take something less than Matt Carroll"
I've got a feeling he signs the QO and waits until next year to see if a city that had its sights set on a super star free agent misses out and uses its cap space for him...
Not a good situation for the 'cats
GoBobs
07-15-2009, 05:29 PM
let's see what other offers he gets we can always match if we want to
Why isn't MJ doing this instead of Rod?
ohara831
07-15-2009, 06:50 PM
Why isn't MJ doing this instead of Rod?
The Book of Dean Smith says that no Carolina alum is to dis another Carolina alum in a public way. MJ cant be seen as trying to lowball Ray and Ray try to look greedy wanting MJ's money in the public's eyes. Dean would call them down and they get demerits. It has to be someone else.
rsxnova
07-15-2009, 07:16 PM
The Book of Dean Smith says that no Carolina alum is to dis another Carolina alum in a public way. MJ cant be seen as trying to lowball Ray and Ray try to look greedy wanting MJ's money in the public's eyes. Dean would call them down and they get demerits. It has to be someone else.
Thats deep...
The Book of Dean Smith says that no Carolina alum is to dis another Carolina alum in a public way. MJ cant be seen as trying to lowball Ray and Ray try to look greedy wanting MJ's money in the public's eyes. Dean would call them down and they get demerits. It has to be someone else.
I doubt MJ is ordering this lowballing...
jstar5
07-15-2009, 08:30 PM
Personally, I think its just good old fashion negotiating and everything will be fine. For so long we've seen NBA players get crazy money their play didn't deserve because the market dictated what guy got. Now, we have a market lowering a players worth and the players Agents are still trying to get the "old" NBA money.
Hell, even Portland didn't offer Roy max years and numbers as soon as they were allowed to per the CBA! Felton will be signed and then criticized by all of us for at least the next 4-5 years.
GoBobs
07-15-2009, 08:31 PM
40 mil 5 yrs my guess is this would be everybody giving a little
Personally, I think its just good old fashion negotiating and everything will be fine. For so long we've seen NBA players get crazy money their play didn't deserve because the market dictated what guy got. Now, we have a market lowering a players worth and the players Agents are still trying to get the "old" NBA money.
Hell, even Portland didn't offer Roy max years and numbers as soon as they were allowed to per the CBA! Felton will be signed and then criticized by all of us for at least the next 4-5 years.
I agree with everything but that.
Scottley Crue
07-15-2009, 08:40 PM
Personally, I think its just good old fashion negotiating and everything will be fine. For so long we've seen NBA players get crazy money their play didn't deserve because the market dictated what guy got. Now, we have a market lowering a players worth and the players Agents are still trying to get the "old" NBA money.
Hell, even Portland didn't offer Roy max years and numbers as soon as they were allowed to per the CBA! Felton will be signed and then criticized by all of us for at least the next 4-5 years.
I agree with this tremendously. This is nothing new as far as how the 'Cats deal with their restricted free agents. Felton's agent didn't run out and say "These guys want to pay him in Spam and crackers!", so I'm not worried about that. It didn't sound like he's got a real feel of what the market will bear for him, so maybe he needs to do that first. It'll take some time, but I do believe we'll see Raymond in a Bobcats uniform come next season.
Felton for Prez
07-15-2009, 08:47 PM
I think Ray would be making a mistake by just accepting the QO and trying his luck next year. He'll be an after thought with all those other guys and with the cap going down he'd be best served signing a 3yr deal for "good not great" money and hoping the economy is better when he's due to re-sign. Of course that would also imply he's got to step it up over the next 3 yrs.
Muttley
07-15-2009, 08:48 PM
It's the same conversation every summer.
Okafor, Wallace, and now Felton. No worries.
GoBobs
07-15-2009, 10:00 PM
Of course the obvious sign and trade is Felton for Odem. I would actually rather have Felton going forward given the age difference.
Walt Cronkite
07-15-2009, 10:06 PM
I'm not the biggest Felts fan in the world, but I like what F4P posted.
jazzer89
07-15-2009, 10:07 PM
i think him signing the QO is what the FO truly wants, think about we have a great up incoming PG in Augustin but he probably needs one more year behind Felton. Thats why Felton signing the QO is great, he gets 1 more year to prove he can lead the team to the playoffs. If he is not what the FO expects then they will just go with Augustin after next year
i think him signing the QO is what the FO truly wants, think about we have a great up incoming PG in Augustin but he probably needs one more year behind Felton. Thats why Felton signing the QO is great, he gets 1 more year to prove he can lead the team to the playoffs. If he is not what the FO expects then they will just go with Augustin after next year
But DJ isn't the type of PG this core needs, and Ray works better with Crash, so we'd be showing Crash the door with that move.
ALong13
07-16-2009, 08:33 AM
I really think DJ can play the one, he's just a better scorer (or more consistent) than what felton is...
That said, I think 3 years for Felton is perfect, any more and it's no deal.We really don't need any more long-term contracts (5, and 6 yrs) Let's give Felton 3 years, .He'llor let him sign the QO..He'll make even less next year...One the salary cap is going down again, two, as mentioned he would be a long after thought with all the players that will suposedly be available. Three, if DJ progresses even more rapidly we can choose to let him go and have DJ take over...
SWedd523
07-16-2009, 09:16 AM
I really think DJ can play the one, he's just a better scorer (or more consistent) than what felton is...
That said, I think 3 years for Felton is perfect, any more and it's no deal.We really don't need any more long-term contracts (5, and 6 yrs) Let's give Felton 3 years, .He'llor let him sign the QO..He'll make even less next year...One the salary cap is going down again, two, as mentioned he would be a long after thought with all the players that will suposedly be available. Three, if DJ progresses even more rapidly we can choose to let him go and have DJ take over...
I agree with you. He has more of a scorer's mentality, but he's still a capable passer so as long as he's next to a bigger, more rugged defender (maybe Bo?) I think he'll do fine.
spectre
07-16-2009, 09:20 AM
Ray is probably thinking "uhm, I'm worth more than Diop, Nazr,& Radmonovich"
Higgins is probably thinking "He'll take something less than Matt Carroll"
I've got a feeling he signs the QO and waits until next year to see if a city that had its sights set on a super star free agent misses out and uses its cap space for him...
Not a good situation for the 'cats
Exactly.
Rumors are that the league's cap is going down next season, but at least 17 teams based on this year's cap will have space to go after a major free agent. Will the cap really drop as much as they say? I'm doubtful.
That's why it'd be in Felton's interest to take the QO and become a UFA. I think management is playing hardball in that they know no one really has the space this year to offer over the MLE...it wouldn't surprise me if that isn't their starting point right now. Felton's agent OTOH is probably wanting that 8/40.
Letting him get to UFA with no ties is NOT in our favor. With so many teams having space we'd lose him for nothing, yet once again not have space ourselves to sign anyone over the MLE.
This isn't real surprising. Disappointing, but not surprising.
jpf_v2.0
07-16-2009, 09:58 AM
Bonnell's latest blog says Portland has acknowledged interest in Felton.
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/07/portland-a-factor-in-felton-talks.html
just pay him. at best dj will be an equal point guard but i think he plays more like a 2. ray is learning shot selection and this will only be year 2 with actual coaching.
one thing that does not translate to $ is the rare fact that he actually wants to be in char. this makes for a much better locker room where we can eventually get to the point where FA's want to come here. he and crash are the heart and soul of this team. pay him.
davcbow
07-16-2009, 11:56 AM
I personally think that by time DJ has been in the league as long as Felts that he will be better simply because he has the better shot, but right now Felts is the better of the 2.... I just hope Felts continues to improve his shot....:cool:
I think Ray would be making a mistake by just accepting the QO and trying his luck next year. He'll be an after thought with all those other guys and with the cap going down he'd be best served signing a 3yr deal for "good not great" money and hoping the economy is better when he's due to re-sign. Of course that would also imply he's got to step it up over the next 3 yrs.
Pretty much the exact same thing we did with Crash - which made the most sense then with him, and makes the most sense now with Felts.
Felton for Prez
07-16-2009, 01:25 PM
Pretty much the exact same thing we did with Crash - which made the most sense then with him, and makes the most sense now with Felts.
That wasn't the point I was trying to make (although I agree that management is doing the same thing). I was looking at it from Felton's side. My point is more that the market isn't what it once was, even last year.
Let's use the housing market as an analogy. Mek sold his house at the top of the market. Good for him. Felton is trying to sell his into a declining market. I don't see that market coming back to '08 levels until the economy turns and that may be a few years. Felton is also going to have to deal with a glut of "supply" next year if he waits. My view is he should bite the bullet and get something done this year rather than wait, kinda like anyone who waited to sell their house. Just ask them how that worked out. Sellers who haven't accepted that their house has fallen in value (due to no fault of their own) are losing more and more money by waiting. Ray is in the same boat.
Outside of the anlagy, he should sign a contract this year for a few years and capitalize when the economy is healthy vs lock in for 6yrs.
ammofan
07-16-2009, 04:38 PM
I say we do a sign and trade with portland.....
SWedd523
07-16-2009, 06:19 PM
I say we do a sign and trade with portland.....
Explica por favor.. :g:
ammofan
07-16-2009, 07:47 PM
Explica por favor.. :g:
We probably dont wanna give Felton too much and it looks like Utah is gonna match millsap so Portland has alot of money again......They also need a point guard. Bonnell also wrote that portland likes him.
And I honestly dont see anything wrong with a deal like Blake/Outlaw for Felton and someone else......
then we could sign AI and our lineup would be:
PG: Augustin/Blake
SG: Iverson/Bell/Hendo
SF: Wallace/Outlaw
PF: Diaw/Free Agent/Howard?
C: Okafor/Diop/Nazr
SWedd523
07-16-2009, 08:05 PM
We probably dont wanna give Felton too much and it looks like Utah is gonna match millsap so Portland has alot of money again......They also need a point guard. Bonnell also wrote that portland likes him.
And I honestly dont see anything wrong with a deal like Blake/Outlaw for Felton and someone else......
then we could sign AI and our lineup would be:
PG: Augustin/Blake
SG: Iverson/Bell/Hendo
SF: Wallace/Outlaw
PF: Diaw/Free Agent/Howard?
C: Okafor/Diop/Nazr
Blake would be nice but I'd be concerned with the defense at the PG position as neither him nor DJ is much of a physical player. If they really show that much interest in Felts then I'm sure we could work out something to our advantage with all of their young talent.
Felton for Blake and Outlaw? Are you serious?
TheBeagle
07-17-2009, 12:35 AM
...That said, I think 3 years for Felton is perfect, any more and it's no deal.We really don't need any more long-term contracts (5, and 6 yrs) Let's give Felton 3 years, .He'llor let him sign the QO..He'll make even less next year...One the salary cap is going down again, two, as mentioned he would be a long after thought with all the players that will suposedly be available. Three, if DJ progresses even more rapidly we can choose to let him go and have DJ take over... I agree with the 3 year contract. I posted something similar during the season in one of those ubiquitous pro or anti-Felton threads, and I think anything over 3 years is our loss. The FO is handcuffed enough as it is with unfavorable contracts, so why give someone else a 5 year deal, especially when he may not even be the best PG on the team in another year?
I know we'll lose all leverage and any sort of asset if he signs the QO, but I'd rather have that than a 4+ year contract that would be difficult to unload if the circumstances dictate.
amour217
07-17-2009, 09:40 AM
Felton for Blake and Outlaw? Are you serious?
male pattern LOLdness
ammofan
07-17-2009, 12:13 PM
Its better than nothing if Raymond doesn't want to be here and we cant match
Its better than nothing if Raymond doesn't want to be here and we cant match
Ray DOES want to be here, he's only said it as much as you and I have said we want Iverson combined, AND MJ isn't going to lose Felton for nothing. It's a moot point. All Ray is using Portland for is leverage.
rsxnova
07-18-2009, 03:37 AM
The blazers will probably go after Odom anyway.
new word is odom to the heat. ray better be here, or else we completely wasted him this past feb.
timang
07-18-2009, 01:15 PM
he'll be back.
spectre
07-18-2009, 02:48 PM
Felton & Crash aren't the same...Crash had an opt out which he exercised making him an unrestricted free agent. Felton is also too close to the MLE to go the same route as Crash did initially (unless he really is expecting something like 9 per year).
FFP...why wouldn't it be in Felton's best interest to take the QO if management draws a hard line? I doubt seriously if the 1st year of his contract would be much more than 5.5 million and there's going to be at least 17 teams with capspace to sign a FA to 10 +/- million per year in 2010. Even if the cap goes down there will still be teams who will need to fill some holes...not to mention those same teams promising their fan bases for the last 2 years that they were sucking now in order to be ready for '10 FA.
I don't blame management for trying to get the best deal they can. We got Crash at a great rate but then turned around and caved to Mek. I still feel pretty confident that something will be worked out.
For those looking at what we could trade Portland to...try nothing. They have the capspace to sign him outright and their owner doesn't mind spending money.
spectre
07-25-2009, 09:04 AM
Felton still waiting on deal (http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=10788376)
CHARLOTTE, NC (WMBF) - Latta High School alum Raymond Felton is staying away from the negotiating table while his new contract is under construction.
Felton stopped by fellow Tar Heel Sean May's basketball camp in Charlotte. He spoke about his current contract situation and maintained that he wants to stay with his current team.
"My future's with the Bobcats, but at the same time, it's a business," said Felton. "The situation is going back and forth with my agent and the Bobcats. I try to stay away from that. I told them to just call me when it's time to sign."
Felton still seems to be in good spirits, coming off what he's said was his best NBA season. That doesn't mean he's not ready to have a contract in front of him.
"I still haven't signed yet, it'll feel even better when I take that pen in there and sign that paper," said Felton.
Nothing new really...but it's nice to see he's still determined to stay with the 'Cats.
110oldeast
07-25-2009, 09:34 AM
Andre Miller to Portland knocks them out of the way in terms of potential Felton leverage.
tamburello
07-25-2009, 10:37 AM
I believe Andre Miller's departure to Blazers brings Ray one step closer to 1 yr QO. Felton and front office looks far apart, and this is the most likely option to me.
mrtarheel
07-25-2009, 10:56 AM
Felton is good but he should see that large contracts are out. If Miller sign for 3yrs/7mil why can't he do the same. 7 mill isn't all that bad for Felts and by him waiting on next year money is going to be tighter so if I were him I would take the same deal as Miller did and hope that in 3 yrs the economy has picked up and the big spending will resume. I think this is really holding us back with other free agents because we are scared of spending not knowing what Felts is going to cost.
tamburello
07-25-2009, 12:20 PM
Felton is good but he should see that large contracts are out. If Miller sign for 3yrs/7mil why can't he do the same. 7 mill isn't all that bad for Felts and by him waiting on next year money is going to be tighter so if I were him I would take the same deal as Miller did and hope that in 3 yrs the economy has picked up and the big spending will resume. I think this is really holding us back with other free agents because we are scared of spending not knowing what Felts is going to cost.
Sir, even Felton signed on day 1, we would have been practically out of FA race. We have already tied 60 millons to our players, add Felton to this mix with a 6-7 million deal and we almost reach luxury tax limit, which we cannot exceed whatsoever because of Mr. Johnson's instructions. Also we're not an attractive option for any of FA's, (i.e, Matt Barnes accepted biannual exception from Magic, would he have signed with us if we had offered a little more than that? I doubt it).
I'm sorry but I believe we're stuck with Juwan Howard type veterans with limited contribution potential.
mrtarheel
07-26-2009, 01:36 PM
Sir, even Felton signed on day 1, we would have been practically out of FA race. We have already tied 60 millons to our players, add Felton to this mix with a 6-7 million deal and we almost reach luxury tax limit, which we cannot exceed whatsoever because of Mr. Johnson's instructions. Also we're not an attractive option for any of FA's, (i.e, Matt Barnes accepted biannual exception from Magic, would he have signed with us if we had offered a little more than that? I doubt it).
I'm sorry but I believe we're stuck with Juwan Howard type veterans with limited contribution potential.
Deals are swirling around and someone in need of a center could have easily aquired Nazr. As we stand now with the Kings are mentioned to be shopping K Martin. Nazr would be an addition with someone else to get him. Rip could probably be had with the right deal. There are deals out there we just have to think thru and see what we can get. I think that Radman would fit as LMA backup in Portland for Outlaw and Webster (just my opinion) if we sweetened up the deal just right for them. I think the FO is looking to acquire someone it just hasn't happened yet. We are low balling someone and the way that it is goiing they might just get their man.
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