Do we even need a p/f

[dav7z]

1, Felton, DJ.
2, Bell, Henderson,
3, Wallace, Vald, D Brown
4, Diaw, Alexas,
5, Chandler, Diop, Nazr


Vlad is 6.10- Wallace 6.7 can play the four in spots, Chandler 7.1 can play the four
Alexas 7.1 could if needed, D Brown 6.8 with his athletic body might be best suited for the four.


We look well covered at the three , four and , five as far as balance goes . We really need one of those guys to be a banger.
12 players on the roster we look weakest at the point and the s/f positions.

Knight and Greald Green could balance the roster well. Both would play for the minium . In Knight we would have long term experiance and toughness . In Green we get high cyling who we know can fall into the rotation at the s/g or s/f when needed. Green could all so be a safty guard in case Hendo isn't ready .
Bogans is another player who comes to mind.

Thoughts on our weakness and what we might use to fill them on a SMALL budget??????/

[TattoodCats4life]

I like filling Lexi in the 3 spot and getting Juwan for a min salary 1 more year deal on the 4.

[dav7z]

I like filling Lexi in the 3 spot and getting Juwan for a min salary 1 more year deal on the 4.


For balance i kinda feel we have enough threes , fours , and fives, . I don't want Howard to sit and rot . I all so want to devolope some of our young talent.





http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7584

We siting at around 59843 if we add in D Browns 457 thousand and add in 1.3 Milion for two vetran minium contracts we siting at around 62,490
That leaves Felton if we give him a flat 6.5 for six years we still don't reach luxery tax hell.
That should put us at around 68.900 . Thats close to the tax but not quite thair.
I think thats why we trying to low ball Felts to land a little better player . But it's not much out thair .

Some of you cap wizzards tell me if im close.....................

[spectre]

No knock against the guy, but if we're depending on Lex to be the first PF off the bench then I think we're in serious trouble.

In regards to the general premise...I think barring injury we can cover it, but IMO we still need a backup PF, preferably one who's not afraid of contact and has a pretty reliable midrange shot.

[teej]

We picked up the option on Dontell I do believe, so he's in there, and I wouldn't worry about the point. I'm worried about the 2 and 4, but if Nazzy, TC, UPS, and Lexy can cover the 4, then we just need a 2.

[docend24]

I think our forum search for 3rd PG is pointless we have Dontell. I doubt we would sign experienced PG like Knight to replace him. We don't need veteran mentorship for young PGs when our coach is Larry Brown.

[spectre]

We picked up the option on Dontell I do believe, so he's in there, and I wouldn't worry about the point. I'm worried about the 2 and 4, but if Nazzy, TC, UPS, and Lexy can cover the 4, then we just need a 2.

You don't think Raja/Henderson/Felton is enough? You know we're going to see some Felton/DJ just because LB likes going with two guards (but hopefully only when the situation warrants it). Felton's averaged like 38 minutes a game and I don't see that dropping much...so in order to get DJ some time he'll have to play some 2.

Agreed with Doc on the 3rd PG/LB.

[BIGCatBobcat]

It's not so much filling the roster out. Yeah you want to see 2 guys at every position and 4 "wild card" back ups. I think it's more about filling minutes. 240 minutes, somebody work on the math...I can't concentrate. you have to think gerald at 37+, maybe more, Diaw at low 30s, same for DJ and Ray...I don't know, I think the starting 5 is good enough to fill up the minutes and stats. plus you have radman, diop, who was that other guy asking for more minutes or a trade?

I want rebounds and to start the break and all of that. You need a PF and a C and even PGs and SF. It's not like we've got Primoz going out there for 9 mins per. I think Henderson, UPS and Chandler change the dynamic and make us better. I don't know if I can point to it on paper but I have this feeling that it's going to be a different feeling when the ball gets tossed at center court in Boston on Oct 28. Does somebody have a countdown going by the way?

[Scottley Crue]

I like filling Lexi in the 3 spot and getting Juwan for a min salary 1 more year deal on the 4.
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if we brought Juwan back for another year. I don't think it hurts to have a veteran of his caliber around; still able to knock a few people (and teeth) around when needed.

Lexi may get more time this year, but I don't know that I'd count on him to be a rotation guy just yet (if I'm reading you right). I see Vlad backing up the 3 with UPS filling in some. I think UPS can some noise as the backup 4. It's kinda why I want to sign Juwan...let him hold down the backup 4 until UPS is ready to do so.

[dav7z]

No knock against the guy, but if we're depending on Lex to be the first PF off the bench then I think we're in serious trouble.

In regards to the general premise...I think barring injury we can cover it, but IMO we still need a backup PF, preferably one who's not afraid of contact and has a pretty reliable midrange shot.


The make up is different this year Chandler can play some four Vald can Brown can with speed, We seem set thair.
But backing up Bell im a little worried . Hendo is a rookie . Someone like G Green can make that position solid on the cheap . He can all so play some s/f all so . Playing more than one position helps in a crunch.

Jefferson don't have any garntee of any kind i know of . Its tons of vetrans out thair thet would play the point for the minium . I don't think Brown want's to devolope another point with Felts and DJ. A vetran should work well in that position.

[teej]

You don't think Raja/Henderson/Felton is enough?

No. Not after Raja being hurt like he was, not with Ray being a PG, and not with Hendo being a rookie. We need a 3 ball specialist for the 2 depth.

Dav, Dontell had an option that was picked up, Rod confirmed that.

[mrtarheel]

I think we are slim at the 2. G Green would fit here because he can play the 2 and 3 and would be more athletic than Vlad. His issue is defense and if he can't get that together there is no way he comes to a LB team. Maybe Flip Murray who can play some spot 1 and plenty of 2. I think do to the injuries we had last year we need players that can play multiple positions. I would love for those two players along with Howard for the mininum as he comes cheap and still has about 5 or 6 minute spurts left in him where he can give a player a blow. We lost stride last year when Wallace and Bell went down. Sure up those spots and we should be fine.

[dav7z]

No. Not after Raja being hurt like he was, not with Ray being a PG, and not with Hendo being a rookie. We need a 3 ball specialist for the 2 depth.

Dav, Dontell had an option that was picked up, Rod confirmed that.



If Dontells option was picked up that takes care of a combo . Though i feel we had better choices .

But when Raja went down last year it killed us . We need a vetran just in case prefer one who could play the two , three, and four, Green could fill that slot on a limited bases . Bogans can hit the long ball and play some three?
That would put us at 14 players . We could still add a four on the cheap if need be.
Jake V . could be had for vet minium . He can bang a give a different look.
Is Harmann still left?

[Walt Cronkite]

Yes, we need a PF. A real, ready to go PF. I believe in Lex, and the kid needs to play to develop, but it needs to happen in Maine. Maybe he'll be ready by the end of the season to contribute, but we need someone that can cover the basics just in case the worst strikes.

[Felton for Prez]

and has a pretty reliable midrange shot.

Do we have anyone with a reliable midrange game? I think the only guy on the entire squad I want shooting from 15-18ft is Raja. That's probably it. Maybe Lex. I would love to have a big guy that can hit something from the high post.

[TheBeagle]

You don't think Raja/Henderson/Felton is enough? You know we're going to see some Felton/DJ just because LB likes going with two guards (but hopefully only when the situation warrants it). Felton's averaged like 38 minutes a game and I don't see that dropping much...so in order to get DJ some time he'll have to play some 2.

Agreed with Doc on the 3rd PG/LB. Word! :cool:

Like I've mentioned on a couple other threads, I'm fine with the roster as it stands, and have obstained/abstained (sp?....an MA in English isn't what it used to be :rolleyes:) from discussions on whom to add at 2 and 4 since I think we're covered at those spots.

[dav7z]

Word! :cool:

Like I've mentioned on a couple other threads, I'm fine with the roster as it stands, and have obstained/abstained (sp?....an MA in English isn't what it used to be :rolleyes:) from discussions on whom to add at 2 and 4 since I think we're covered at those spots.

Beagle i know i got a few games we can't get to . So ill give you a early pm to see if you interested,


We have 13 on the roster if we count Jefferson and Felton .
Hendo is good and could be our fucture . But i would feel much better having a experianced player ready to step in if need be .
I think Green fits in perfect , Is it any other guys thet might be a nice fit on the cheap .

If Jefferson is signed a p/f in our last slot makes sence . But that guy would have to play for the minium all so.
Ideas of players who make good fits?????????????

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Sign Walter Herrmann =)

and some random undrafted dude

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Seriously, for the very last slot, draw a name out of a hat.

[EvetsMorrison15]

To be honest. I didn't read anyone's post but I'm sure everyone skips over mine anyways.

But I suggest not putting a PF on the court. Or any other player on the court. Let's all quit. Soon we will trade Wallace for Bowen and DJ for Tyron Lue.

Let's just pack it up.

Come on.

[teej]

To be honest. I didn't read anyone's post but I'm sure everyone skips over mine anyways.

Anyone skipping over your posts has no sense of humor.

[110oldeast]

Count me in for a 2 guard who can KNOCK DOWN THE THREE.

Bring back Juwan as the physical guy who can knock down the midrange jumper on the pick and pop. If not, is Voskuhl or someone else cheap who can be physical and make a jumper available?

The P/F panic is about 3-4 years behind fellas. We are WAYYYYYYYYY better there than we have been in this franchise's history.

Diaw, Vlad, Brown, Lexi, Chandler (defensively against some guys) give us more flexibility than we have ever had at the PF position. Add in Juwan, Voskuhl, Hermann, or someone cheap and call it a day.

Now for the 2 guard depth......

[Scottley Crue]

Count me in for a 2 guard who can KNOCK DOWN THE THREE.

Bring back Juwan as the physical guy who can knock down the midrange jumper on the pick and pop. If not, is Voskuhl or someone else cheap who can be physical and make a jumper available?

The P/F panic is about 3-4 years behind fellas. We are WAYYYYYYYYY better there than we have been in this franchise's history.

Diaw, Vlad, Brown, Lexi, Chandler (defensively against some guys) give us more flexibility than we have ever had at the PF position. Add in Juwan, Voskuhl, Hermann, or someone cheap and call it a day.

Now for the 2 guard depth......
So Raja can't knock down 3's now?

I do agree about the PF thing...bringing Juwan back would be my preference as well.

[110oldeast]

Who said Raja can't knock down 3s? My point is ONE wing guy who can do that well is unacceptable and not even close to enough in today's zone permitting NBA. You need multiple guys on the wing who can do it.

And you need depth in case Raja does go down.


So Raja can't knock down 3's now?

I do agree about the PF thing...bringing Juwan back would be my preference as well.

[teej]

Who said Raja can't knock down 3s? My point is ONE wing guy who can do that well is unacceptable and not even close to enough in today's zone permitting NBA. You need multiple guys on the wing who can do it.

And you need depth in case Raja does go down.

Exactly. Like Orlando.

And Raja probably will go down...

[mrtarheel]

There are guys out there that can play the 2 and 3 that can knock down the 3 ball. Two I have in mind are G Green and Morris Almonds. If you want a vet presences I would go with Bogans but he would probably come with a higher price tag than the first two.

[Scottley Crue]

Who said Raja can't knock down 3s? My point is ONE wing guy who can do that well is unacceptable and not even close to enough in today's zone permitting NBA. You need multiple guys on the wing who can do it.

And you need depth in case Raja does go down.
I took it to mean that we didn't have a 2-guard who could knock down threes, which is why I brought Raja up.

I do agree that some more shooters would be helpful. More shooters to help Raja, DJ and Vlad will work for me. If Gerald can develop a reliable corner three (like Bruce Bowen did), then that helps stretch things a little more, too. He did get better at it last season, so hopefully he can build on that.

I do think that Henderson helps with the depth behind Raja, but I do understand wanting a little more depth in behind that since he's a rookie. I saw it on RGM (and I can't remember who posted it) but if the Kings let Bobby Jackson go, he could be a decent pickup in that regard. It'd also let a Salisbury, NC native come home. Just a thought.