The Official Everything To Do With Allen Iverson Thread

[superb1]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2009/07/21/nba_20090721_iverson.nba/index.html

He stated that he wants to play where he is wanted. Many guys here wants, some feel we need him. But outside the cap situation do the front office want him. I read LB wants him to be happy but will LB be happy to have AI.

[tamburello]

He wants to be wanted, he wants to be the main man, he wants to take 25 shots per game, he wants to miss practices.

Iverson's attitude has always been crap. Now, both his attitude and play are crap. Pass...

[superb1]

He wants to be wanted, he wants to be the main man, he wants to take 25 shots per game, he wants to miss practices.

Iverson's attitude has always been crap. Now, both his attitude and play are crap. Pass...

Interesting this article was posted today also

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/61099/20090812/gms_dont_think_iverson_is_worth_the_trouble/

I wonder if we fall in the group that think is not worth it or whether the cap space keeps from making it happen. IMO I think that MJ pride makes it that we don't think it is worth it and will not look at options to free monies for signing him.

[BRNC]

If AI wanted to play here for free I'd still take a pass on him...

[Chef]

If AI wanted to play here for free I'd still take a pass on him...

that is pretty ridiculous.

[superb1]

that is pretty ridiculous.

i agree, i'd give rodman a try for free, i can alway dump him and lose nothing

[SirBobcat]

For all the drama that surrounded Rodman, he was one hell of a rebounder and defender.

[TattoodCats4life]

i agree, i'd give rodman a try for free, i can alway dump him and lose nothing

I'd give Rodman a non-gar contract... so if we dump him early we only pay by the game

[docend24]

If AI wanted to play here for free I'd still take a pass on him...

Define "play" - if he would be forced to play "Sean May", sitting next to MJ nearly all games, signing autographs and just ocassionally get garbage time to be able to wave to fans to encourage jersey sellings more, would you still wouldn't do that?

Or you would just prefer Jamaal Tinsley way? (with sold out jerseys etc. - i .e. more money for team)

[teej]

I'd take AI for anything under 3.5 mil a yr and 2 or 1 yrs. He'd pay it back in jerseys, tickets, etc. and if he hurt the team, then just make him go away.

[BRNC]

Tell me one team that AI made a better team...tell me one team that has not had to deal with his drama, practice late or no show, taking off when he feels like it etc...I stand by what I said...I'd pass on him if he wanted to play here for free...

I understand some people actually like AI...understand that I'm not one of them and I've only stated my opinion...again...I do not want AI on our team under any circumstances...

...and if AI is so wonderful why has no team...and I mean no team made an attempt to sign him?

[teej]

^ A little in Philly, and the only stuff in Detriot was when he got 5 minutes of PT. Sean May doesn't like that, why would a star??

Honestly, I have no clue why he hasn't signed somewhere, but he's had 4-5 offers from NBA teams...

[Demon DeaCat]

Tell me one team that AI made a better team...tell me one team that has not had to deal with his drama, practice late or no show, taking off when he feels like it etc...I stand by what I said...I'd pass on him if he wanted to play here for free...

I understand some people actually like AI...understand that I'm not one of them and I've only stated my opinion...again...I do not want AI on our team under any circumstances...

...and if AI is so wonderful why has no team...and I mean no team made an attempt to sign him?

He has some baggage. The practice habits and all that stuff has been well-documented. A lot of people, such as yourself, don't care for him, and with good reason. It's not without risk. That's as far as I can go with you though. There's absolutely no way anyone can make a rational argument that the Sixers weren't a better team with him than without him during his prime.

Even in his diminished state, there are a lot of teams he would improve. I happen to think we're one of them. I can see why a legit contender wouldn't want to take the risk. It wouldn't make sense for them. But as it stands now, we probably aren't a playoff team. If it's a 1 yr. deal for a couple mil, what do we have to lose?

[teej]

FWIW, on bobcats.com, Scott Lauer says he'd take Iverson, too. And the one arguing against AI...our old buddy Steve Martin.

[BRNC]

...and that really is the problem...no one is neutral about AI...and I'll tell you in a heart beat that I respect the guys talent...and you'll never find me saying that he is not talented...even now...his talent is not my objection to him playing with us at all...

Teej...you say he has had offers but all I've seen are teams talking with him or his agent...could you give me a link that indicates he had an offer?

[teej]

Teej...you say he has had offers but all I've seen are teams talking with him or his agent...could you give me a link that indicates he had an offer?

I don't know where I read it, I did a quick search and couldn't find it, but the Grizzlies, Heat, and Clips had all extended lowball offers before meeting with him. And maybe NY too...

[BRNC]

Teej I'll take your word but the offers part I've never seen...but if he has I'll stand corrected...thanks

[krazyrumpshaker]

^ A little in Philly, and the only stuff in Detriot was when he got 5 minutes of PT. Sean May doesn't like that, why would a star??

Honestly, I have no clue why he hasn't signed somewhere, but he's had 4-5 offers from NBA teams...
Thats because after we get the Felton situation resolved, we are signing him. He knows this, and thats why he hasnt signed anywhere. I joke, but would it be that far-fetched?

[teej]

Thats because after we get the Felton situation resolved, we are signing him. He knows this, and thats why he hasnt signed anywhere. I joke, but would it be that far-fetched?

It's possible...

[Scottley Crue]

Thats because after we get the Felton situation resolved, we are signing him. He knows this, and thats why he hasnt signed anywhere. I joke, but would it be that far-fetched?
It's not that far-fetched, no. I'd be Ok bringing him in on the cheap. (And only on the cheap, so as to lessen a salary hit should he go nuts.)

The scoring woes of this team are well-documented, but in my mind it's not so much that we don't score eleventy billion points a game. It's that we'd go three, four or five minutes without a field goal. I feel sure Iverson can help with that. Not to say he's the only one, but he's certainly the best at that from what's available.

[mrtarheel]

All things aside lets look at it like this. Every player has baggage and risks, its just some show up and some don't. Look at the Celtics, do you think R Wallace is going to clown around with that team, no. We are young and have no direction yet. I feel everyones pain about bringing the guy in and causing problems but at some point in time you live to learn from your mistakes. AI knows what LB can do for him and his career. Mj has to stand up and put his foot down and base his contract on mishaps and performances. Who do you actually think could stand at Mj and be disloyal to a basketball king. AI could be the answer for us in so many ways it would be unreal, scoring, go to guy, tickets, marketing, publicity, exposure and not to mention heart. Can you imagine his heart playing the right way one more time for LB with some of our talent? I say let it roll and bring him in.

[teej]

What if there were practice clauses in his contract? Or stuff like that?

[Marvel]

What if there were practice clauses in his contract? Or stuff like that?


Yeah if we get him there better be a "practice clause" in there somewhere stating he has to be the 1st one in and last to leave,look AI is still one of the best scorers in the game no doubt about it but i just think his ego,star attitude,me first attitude will only ruin our chemistry that we have finally got and i wouldn't trade that for the world.

[BRNC]

Guys...I'm not sure how you could write an "attitude clause" for any player...practice is important...games are important...but what happens when LB decides it is not in the best interest of the team to start AI (an example) and he starts one of his famous attitudes...I worry about this ( more than anything thing else) around a young team...

I admit I like G. Karl as a coach and he has had a rep as a players coach (although I'm up and down on this)...he wanted AI out for good reason...his team got better...and for those that only feel AI will make us better think about what his attitude cold/would do if he decides to get one...and he has every where else he has played...just because LB is the coach does not mean he will not get one with us...and that is what I worry about...team chemistry plain and simple...I think the risks far out-weigh any reward we could ever get from signing AI...again...just my opinion...

[teej]

Guys...I'm not sure how you could write an "attitude clause" for any player...practice is important...games are important...but what happens when LB decides it is not in the best interest of the team to start AI (an example) and he starts one of his famous attitudes...I worry about this ( more than anything thing else) around a young team...

BRNC, man, this calender year AI said he wouldn't mind not starting as long as he played...

[SCBobcat]

Am I the only one here who thinks AI does NOT have a practice problem? That famous press conference gets taken the wrong way IMO. The dude has heart and loves to compete. He and Crash and Ray and Chandler on the same team would be a joy to watch.
I am on the AI bandwagon for our team. We have enough quality leaders on the team that I think he would not have a negative effect at all.

[mrtarheel]

Everything is pointing to Ray Ray holding us up in free agency. He needs to go ahead and sign the same deal as Miller or Bibby. To me he is a good pg but he is still behind those two in running a team so 6 to 7 mill he should be happy for at least 3yrs. Then give me AI an a pf and I'm happy.

[BRNC]

BRNC, man, this calender year AI said he wouldn't mind not starting as long as he played...

Teej...problem with me is this calender year he has said both...he wants to start...he does not care...which one is the correct statement?

[teej]

Teej...problem with me is this calender year he has said both...he wants to start...he does not care...which one is the correct statement?

He WANTS to start but if he trusts the coach (which he would with LB without a doubt) then as long as he's the 6th man and not the 9th man, he's fine with not starting. When Detriot said he wouldn't start, he assumed he'd be a Jason Terry-esque player off the bench. Instead, he got numbers like Nazzy would for us. That's why he was so pissed. If it pisses Nazzy off to get 5 mpg, why wouldn't it piss off an All-Star and future HOF'er?

[spectre]

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/allen_iverson/game_by_game_stats.html

His entire year sucked FG% wise while playing with Detroit...look at those makes/attempts.

AI bitched after TWO games...where he got 21 minutes and 18. He'd just come off that back injury, but before he got that Detroit had lost SEVEN games in a row with AI playing most of the game (averaging 40+ minutes). After he went out...Detroit proceeded to win their next FOUR games...and those were against:

Orlando
Boston
Denver
GSW

Their coach might have been inept...but how can anyone argue for giving AI 40+ mpg after that?

BTW...those two games where he got 21 & 18? They won the first game and lost to Lebron James by 6. Yet all AI was concerned about was his minutes.

[BRNC]

IMO he is not worth the risk/reward....as an aside...I finally got my ticket package...I've been waiting for my rep to call but (of course) he is no longer with the organization...over my 5 years of tickets I can't even remember how many reps I've had but this is the most unstable organization I've ever dealt with...I really hope for the fans and players the team is sold soon...

[davcbow]

Im thinking that after we know for sure Felts is going to sign or not then we just may sign AI but not until something is decided....:cool:

[MattD]

AI twittered he is waiting for an offer from either charlotte, miami, or ny. he said he will be playing in the nba next season, and "When you see me again you will think that I am fresh out of Georgetown!"

lets hope so

[superb1]

AI twittered he is waiting for an offer from either charlotte, miami, or ny. he said he will be playing in the nba next season, and "When you see me again you will think that I am fresh out of Georgetown!"

lets hope so

he also said he was ready to compete for a championship. until he feels we got a chance maybe he comes maybe not

[Dcarnys]

AI twittered he is waiting for an offer from either charlotte, miami, or ny. he said he will be playing in the nba next season, and "When you see me again you will think that I am fresh out of Georgetown!"

lets hope so

Lets how long that one lasts. Ehh I would take him, not for anythig above the MLE altough.

[eleaf14]

Honestly I find this encouraging since its coming from him. I know there has been speculation...but since he's putting us out there...i now have my hopes up a little more.

In regards to the championship debate...honestly...i dont think we are too far off of Miami and NY as far championship odds...Miami has a superstar...but not a whole lot more...and NY is rebuilding just as we are. And while I dont think his signing here would get us to the Finals...he would make us better. I really hope LB is standing in his corner on this one.

Awaiting "The Answer"...

[GOBOBCATS24]

We all know what caliber a player AI is. I think people really overtalk this cancer bullcrap. he is PERFECT for us. if we can get a superstar player (top 5 in the league for sure) for MLE or below then lets freakin do it. I mean seriously we can not pass this up. Screw Bob Johnson hes selling the team anyways he won't have to pay the tax if we go over by a smidge. Everyone knows we are his #1 place he wants to be because of LB. lets freakin do it. If he wants to feel wanted then I'm sure he will LOVE Charlotte. We even love Gana Diop I mean come on we are awesome. I will explode when we sign him.

[MattD]

In regards to the championship debate...honestly...i dont think we are too far off of Miami and NY as far championship odds...Miami has a superstar...but not a whole lot more...and NY is rebuilding just as we are. And while I dont think his signing here would get us to the Finals...he would make us better. I really hope LB is standing in his corner on this one.

Awaiting "The Answer"...

exactly... MLE for iverson, hell only want 1 or two years, would be perfect. we get us a player, he gets a shot at redemption

[teej]

exactly... MLE for iverson, hell only want 1 or two years, would be perfect. we get us a player, he gets a shot at redemption

And if it doesn't work, he pays for himself.

[ammofan]

And if it doesn't work, he pays for himself.

exactly....no matter how old he is he always ends up with a top 3 to 5 selling jersey. And especially with new uniforms coming out this season.....

[ohara831]

If the money and length of Contract are right, I'm all for it. As long as he has an understanding with LB as to his role and has no issue with doing what LB asks of him. I will be very happy to have him on the team if those 3 conditions are met.

[ammofan]

If Iverson is gonna listen to a coach, it would be larry Brown. I mean dont we all BILB?

[Marvel]

If we get AI and to me AI coming to Charlotte makes the most sense,if we get AI........... we're in the playoffs instantly make no mistake about it and that TC trade would be looking really pretty if that was to happen..........BUT.......he would have to accept/come to terms with LB and what his role is 1st

[bing!]

If Iverson is gonna listen to a coach, it would be larry Brown. I mean dont we all BILB?

^ there's no 'we' in AI's dictionary...

[teej]

^ there's no 'we' in AI's dictionary...

yeah there is..."we aint goin to practice. we gonna stay home and play playstation. got it homie?"

Really tho, he wants to win badly now, I think he'll change enough.

[spectre]

I'll betcha we aren't talking near the MLE here...not at this juncture. Miami is already over the tax, and you can tell from Riley's past history he's very averse to going over it. They just added QRich so they're already loaded with wings...and I really don't see AI & Flash mixing too well.

NY wants Sessions, they just don't want to pay no more than 4 per a year or so. I don't know how strong the Clips are in the hunt for him, but I have to think in the end NY gets him. That'd leave them 2 million or less of their MLE.

It'd be tight and esp. with our backup PF situation, but if we can get Felton signed for around his QO then we could do what...about 2-2.5?

If we want him we are probably the best destination money wise for AI, and that's at less than HALF the MLE.

[teej]

It'd be tight and esp. with our backup PF situation, but if we can get Felton signed for around his QO then we could do what...about 2-2.5?

If we get AI, I can deal with Boris, Nazr, and UPS and the PF along with TC when Gana's playing C. But if we don't sign AI, we darn well better be getting a backup PF.

[spectre]

It's not like LB wants to run a 12 man rotation anyway. If eveyone is healthy figure we go what...9, 10 deep?

Felton/DJ
AI/Bell
Crash/Henderson
Boris/Vlad
TC/Gana/Nazr

with TC playing spot minutes at the 4 and hopefully Vlad & probably Nazr getting the short end of the PT. We'd be fine I think.

[teej]

^Where's UPS? He's a bigger PF factor than Vlad.

[Scottley Crue]

I'll betcha we aren't talking near the MLE here...not at this juncture. Miami is already over the tax, and you can tell from Riley's past history he's very averse to going over it. They just added QRich so they're already loaded with wings...and I really don't see AI & Flash mixing too well.

NY wants Sessions, they just don't want to pay no more than 4 per a year or so. I don't know how strong the Clips are in the hunt for him, but I have to think in the end NY gets him. That'd leave them 2 million or less of their MLE.

It'd be tight and esp. with our backup PF situation, but if we can get Felton signed for around his QO then we could do what...about 2-2.5?

If we want him we are probably the best destination money wise for AI, and that's at less than HALF the MLE.
I would tend to agree with you about the money. This may be at least part of what the holdup is for signing Felton. They want to get that first year or two in lower so they can squeeze Iverson in at about $2.5 million. That's a great deal for a talented guy like Iverson. I don't really want to break the bank for him and that figure surely shouldn't do it.

Iverson is kinda like LB in the respect that in coming here (hypothetical for Iverson), they have something to prove. Could really be a good fit for all.

[mrtarheel]

You talking about practice, practice, not a game but practice. The way our team is made up and the players we have if we don't sign him its going to Felts with the last second shot again this year. Although he did come in in the clutch a couple of times I would love to have AI.

[spectre]

^Where's UPS? He's a bigger PF factor than Vlad.

We'll see. I hope he gets PT and I like the hype I've read about him. If he's smart enough to impress LB then I'd LOVE for him to take some of Vlad's minutes.

[superb1]

Couldn't we do a sign and trade which Detroit could get something back, they don't intend on back him anyway.

[teej]

Couldn't we do a sign and trade which Detroit could get something back, they don't intend on back him anyway.

Maybe, but we don't have anything that's in that price range unless they sign him to the MLE and we give them Gana or Nazr. Much preferably Gana. If that happened, I'd be beyond happy.

[mrtarheel]

Maybe, but we don't have anything that's in that price range unless they sign him to the MLE and we give them Gana or Nazr. Much preferably Gana. If that happened, I'd be beyond happy.

They are said to be in need of a big and that would fit the bill. Then go out and get someone that can bang, play the 4 and 5 (mainly the 4) plus rebound.

[superb1]

They are said to be in need of a big and that would fit the bill. Then go out and get someone that can bang, play the 4 and 5 (mainly the 4) plus rebound.

that would have been the perfect plan if we would have done it earlier before most of the good ones were snapped up. imagine if would have just sign felton a month ago and signed a gooden or big baby and then brought in AI

[TheLegend]

On his twitter it read that he's close to siging to a team. Maybe it could be us.

[ammofan]

On his twitter it read that he's close to siging to a team. Maybe it could be us.


really? it says that today?

[TheLegend]

Yeah http://twitter.com/alleniverson

I have been blessed to make plenty of money in this league. Now it's not about the money, its about playing me getting back on the court &
about 1 hour ago from web

I have not been this eager with anticipation since the night before the NBA Draft in 96. Then I knew where I was going, now I want to know!
about 1 hour ago from web

My people just informed me that we are getting close to a deal. I asked them to call me the when its done. I am so ready to know!
about 1 hour ago from web

[MattD]

those tweets make me think miami, but hell, im still pullin for us

[TheLegend]

As for the Heat, while Pat Riley again declined comment on free-agency issues, the team is not on the verge of any such move, with Iverson considered the type of backburner issue it could possibly consider closer to the Sept. 28 start of training camp.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-iverson-s081909,0,1195973.story *shrugs*

[tamburello]

He says he's not interested about money, he's interested in playing time.

Let's see. In Miami, I don't think he'll get so much playing time while Wade and Chalmers are there. In New York, he might get playing time, but is New York eager to acquire him? They are after Sessions, and I beileve they prefer Ramon over AI.

Between those three teams, Bobcats is the only team who has no ball-dominating player, Heat has Wade, NY has Nate Robinson(?). I try to stay objective as possible, and from his tweets of today, I sense that "the team" is.... us.

[ALong13]

I don't think Iverson is coming to Charlotte to be honest, I think before AI signs, Felton will be signed and the team will be sold, I don't expect him here at all...

[MattD]

ny maybe then, think about it, as far as playing time and making him look like a superstar d'antoni would be better than Larry most likely...

[TheLegend]

The addition of Quentin Richardson(notes) to the Miami Heat last week apparently has dimmed the prospects significantly of Allen Iverson(notes) joining the club, according to the Miami Herald.

Not only is there not enough cash to go around to everybody, there probably aren't enough shots to be distributed either that would have everyone feeling happy.

Dwyane Wade(notes) is apparently feeling really great about the addition. He and Richardson are pals and enjoy playing together.

So while Iverson is out, the team still may add Flip Murray(notes) or Jamaal Tinsley(notes) for the veteran's minimum salary.

Source: Miami Herald That's from yesterday and if that's true then it leaves us and NY. But, since NY is after Sessions, it leaves us.....maybe.

[kickazzz2000]

http://sigsports.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30425

Says close to Knicks for full MLE but no linked source...

Hoopshype saying Sessions NYK's only viable option..

dunno....

Fact that AI's twitter said "Ive made plenty of money in my life, its not about the money" makes me think its not the full MLE

[MattD]

i just dont want to be disappointed

[MattD]

http://sigsports.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30425

Says close to Knicks for full MLE but no linked source...

Hoopshype saying Sessions NYK's only viable option..

dunno....

Fact that AI's twitter said "Ive made plenty of money in my life, its not about the money" makes me think its not the full MLE

or its not the 10+ million he was expecting

[ALong13]

Looks like Knicks may get them...but don't see him winning much in NY

[tamburello]

http://btabasketball.com/news/iverson-close-to-deal-with-knicks/

this site is the one that says the news above. Actually I've never heard of that site, I'm not sure how trustable they are.

[TheLegend]

*face palm*

[TheLegend]

Wait a min. That was posted on August 2.

[kickazzz2000]

Wait a min. That was posted on August 2.
Good catch.

The likelyhood that selling the team may trump any FA nego's may throw a wrench into this...or not.

Could it be that BJ is closer to a deal than we think...and Postolo's people have instructed the Cats to sign Iverson? :g:

[spectre]

Courtesy of thruthefire on RGM:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Iverson-090819

That's a good read.

I'm now on board for AI. From those comments LB doesn't have any real qualms about bringing him on.

[superb1]

bring on AI is all I got to say

[Fred Williamson]

No, keep him away. Keep him far away from our team.

[ohara831]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Iverson-090819

Good analysis of where he might go. Seems most likely to be Memphis or Charlotte by my guessing.

[rsxnova]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Iverson-090819

Good analysis of where he might go. Seems most likely to be Memphis or Charlotte by my guessing.

This is one of the first times we have been mentioned a legit suiters for AI.

[bing!]

http://i32.tinypic.com/1zwc9rq.jpg

[MattD]

im far from a fanboy but still want him purely for the spark... people talk about what a bad teammate he is, sorry but what proof do you have... and dont quote practice. everyone else seems to love him

[bing!]

^ people who like him apparently lack foresight, yet they seem to enjoy the bitterness of hindsight...

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

AI may have just thrown Charlotte out there to raise the bids for him...and LB could be simply helping him out by throwing out these subtleties that we want him to play here

[rsxnova]

Either way i hope something happens soon so all this talk can end.

[ammofan]

AI may have just thrown Charlotte out there to raise the bids for him...and LB could be simply helping him out by throwing out these subtleties that we want him to play here

Why does this have to be thought about? I mean that doesn't even make one bit of sense. Is it that hard to think that we may actually sign him?

[murphman]

Twitter posts from late yesterday:

Chris Mannix (writer for SI): I'm hearing rumblings are that Charlotte is the leader for Allen Iverson. Miami won't offer enough money and NY not realistic

Allen Iverson: My people just informed me that we are getting close to a deal. I asked them to call me the when its done. I am so ready to know!

Allen Iverson: I have not been this eager with anticipation since the night before the NBA Draft in 96. Then I knew where I was going, now I want to know!

Allen Iverson: I have been blessed to make plenty of money in this league. Now it's not about the money, its about playing me getting back on the court

[TheLegend]

Allen Iverson Tweeted he was close to a deal with a team, but a source said the Knicks "are not involved." -- Marc Berman
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08202009/sports/moresports/sports_shorts_185491.htm

[ohara831]

Gotta be either Charlotte or Memphis. Memphis can offer more money. But I think Charlotte would be more in line for a playoff spot than Memphis. This is more suspense than the Draft.

[Fred Williamson]

stand.......pat......do..not.....want...I.verso..n

[superb1]

yes, AI and the guy who brought you EI from country grammer with the same franchise :)

[ammofan]

twitter posts from late yesterday:

Chris mannix (writer for si): I'm hearing rumblings are that charlotte is the leader for allen iverson. Miami won't offer enough money and ny not realistic


yeah!!! Woo hoo!!!

[Weezy21]

please sign him...man this would be awesome!

[davcbow]

Article about Iverson being a Bobcat..

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/other_nba/view/20090820is_allen_iverson_suited_for_bobcats_unifor m/srvc=home&position=recent

Larry says he dont see it happening unless 2 things change.:cool:

[Walt Cronkite]

I've read those quotes before... they make me a bit uneasy. The money, I think we can give him a deal that wouldn't be an insult (I think the quotes are from a while ago, so AI has seen his perceived value in this climate), but the second part...

-We're stuck with Felton until next season (not taking a jab, just sayin, doesn't seem like someone is going to make an offer we wouldn't match at this point, we can't rescind the qo)

-I love DJ and he's on a rookie deal.

-Raja is worth so much more to us than his statistics would indicate and is an expiring.

Would we package Raja with Diop/Naz/Radman? Would we dump one of those 3 with DJ as the bait?

I think AI would be a good idea, but I'd really hate to lose DJ or Bell.

[spectre]

I don't see the problem. 2 PGs & 2 SGs with the rook Henderson, who if it wasn't for our issues of depth at that position wouldn't see much PT under Brown anyway.

[ammofan]

well cant Gerald Henderson just back up Gerald Wallace? and Bell comes off the bench for AI? So like this....

Felton(maybe)/DJ
AI/Raja
Gerald/Gerald
Diaw/Radmanovic/Brown
Chandler/Diop/Nazr/Alexis

[Walt Cronkite]

FWIW, I don't see it as a problem either, just trying to think through lb's comments.

[ammofan]

I also dont think these quotes mean too much though. He didn't say we dont want Iverson, he is just blabbing about stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if he is doing and interview on ESPN saying that stuff and then 30 mins later we sign him. :p

[Weezy21]

It wouldn't surprise me if he is doing and interview on ESPN saying that stuff and then 30 mins later we sign him. :p

haha i hope ur right....the only problem i see is it might piss off raja

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Why does this have to be thought about? I mean that doesn't even make one bit of sense. Is it that hard to think that we may actually sign him?

yeah it's pretty hard to think about him being signed...i mean, then we would have take several steps backwards by overloading at the wing positions..with undersized players.

the 4/5 spots are still dubious.. this just doesn't make much sense to me .other than LB is infatuated with second chances

[LB4President]

If Iverson is signed by us in the next couple of days what does that mean for our backcourt? Do you think Bell will be shopped? DJ, Felton, and Henderson (most likely) are our future backcourt. Bell could draw interest not only because of his play but his expiring contract. Another option no one has talked about would be a sign and trade for Iverson. Thoughts?

[SWedd523]

yeah it's pretty hard to think about him being signed...i mean, then we would have take several steps backwards by overloading at the wing positions..with undersized players.

the 4/5 spots are still dubious.. this just doesn't make much sense to me .other than LB is infatuated with second chances
I really don't see how we can be overloaded at the wing spots. we have Raja and Crash. Then we have Bo. That basically it unless you count Vlad and if so that's laughable because AI is much better. The 4 spot is a little weak but the 5 is as deep as we are/should make it with all that salary dumped into them.


I don't see how

Ray/DJ/Jefferson
AI/Raja/Bo
Crash/UPS/Vlad
Boris/Vlad/UPS
Tyson/Nazr/Gana

wouldn't please many people.

Come the end of the season we'd only run 9/10 deep away so Bo and UPS won't get much burn unless one of them shows they can handle it

Ray/DJ
AI/Raja
Crash/Vlad (Maybe UPS if he's good enough)
Boris/Vlad
Tyson/Nazr or Gana



Still pretty shallow at the wing spot behind Crash

[LB4President]

Yeah that line about having a crowded backcourt is just bogus. We have three decent guards at the moment in Bell, DJ, and Felton. I think Henderson will be a good pro but it is obvious that the main reason he will recieve playtime is necessity. Besides Bell is getting older and had injury trouble last season. Can't hurt to have an extra 20 point scorer on hand. Please bring AI to Charlotte!

[spectre]

haha i hope ur right....the only problem i see is it might piss off raja


Bell's name came up in some trade discussions this summer, and he might be moveable since his contract will expire after the coming season.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/898040.html

If we move Raja to sign AI then I'd be pissed off. Whatever scoring AI would add would be negated by the leadership we'd lose by Raja's absense.

[spectre]

Bonnell threw Raja's name out there in his latest article.

I'm not for that AT ALL.

[rsxnova]

Did something happen i didnt hear about? Two AI topics in one day?

[WAM9]

I am not as polarized about Iverson as most. It seems that everyone has a very strong opinion about him one way or the other. For the record, I do think it would benefit us to bring him in at a very affordable rate but if it doesn't happen, I think we can go into the season with what we have.

Having said that, the next question is exactly what you have asked...how do we make space for Iverson?

Raymond Felton - I am 100% on the sign Felton bandwagon. There is no way that I would let him walk. I would match pretty much any other offer out there. I fully expect us to do this correctly as we did with Gerald Wallace and others. We should get Felton at a reasonable price.

Raja Bell - I am also 100% on the keep Raja bandwagon. This guy is as tough as they come and as one of our members signature reads, there is no one else on the planet I would rather go to battle with (paraphrase). I agree 100%. I know Raja isn't going to back down or be intimidated by anyone. I also really want Henderson to get to learn under Raja.

DJ and Henderson are our past 2 1st round picks and obviously pieces the franchise really likes. So do I. I wouldn't want to move either guy.

You may look at this and say that leaves no room for Iverson. I actually think it does. Henderson is a rookie and as much as I like him, if he plays major minutes this year, I expect there to be a steep learning curve and he probably won't show that well. If he gets to be brought along without pressure behind guys like Raja on the defensive end and Iverson on the offensive end, that would probably be really good for his long term development.

The roster would include Felton and Augustine as our starting and backup point guard and Raja as our starting 2. Iverson could be our backup 2 (maybe even getting more minutes than Raja depending on the matchup) as well as our 3rd point guard.

Also remember, this is assuming no injuries. 1 injury to any of those guys would be very detrimental to our guard depth without adding Iverson. If we add him, that would be significant insurance for injuries to any of those 4 guys.

Sorry for the long post but I really do see a spot for Iverson on our roster that would be beneficial to us short and hopefully, even long term.

[catsandheels]

I dont think we would have to trade to make space for iverson. If we did i wouldnt want raja to go anyway unless we get a really good deal. If iverson dosnt turn out to good then we wouldnt have raja to come in all we would have would be hendo and felton and no telling how good hendo will be and felton not a good 2. If we had to trade bell we could probly trade him to ny since they want an expiring so they can pursue lebron in 2010. We could try a raja+ nazr trade for a sign n trade david lee sort of deal and ny could throw in someone else.

[spectre]

I dont think we would have to trade to make space for iverson. If we did i wouldnt want raja to go anyway unless we get a really good deal. If iverson dosnt turn out to good then we wouldnt have raja to come in all we would have would be hendo and felton and no telling how good hendo will be and felton not a good 2. If we had to trade bell we could probly trade him to ny since they want an expiring so they can pursue lebron in 2010. We could try a raja+ nazr trade for a sign n trade david lee sort of deal and ny could throw in someone else.

I think Bell would be extremely important to teams on the cusp to contention at the trade deadline...but of course I'm hoping we're pushing for a 4th seed by then and won't want to give him up.

It sure looks like LB (and Bonnell) thinks it's going to take more than our capspace to sign AI and it's a question of us going over the tax limit. I've read that Larry Bird might be willing to toss a one year full MLE deal but the major media isn't talking about them, so it could be bogus.

Hard to say. Maybe they're trying to talk Johnson in going over and if it doesn't work we can still move Raja at the deadline to get under the limit. Bet he won't do it tho.

Will he take 2.5 or would that be an insult if he knew that's all we had to offer?

[ammofan]

why cant we do this lineup????
PG: felton(maybe)/DJ
SG: AI/Bell
SF: Gerald/Gerald
PF: Diaw/Vlady/UPS
C: Chandler/Diop/Alexis or Nazr

[ammofan]

haha i hope ur right....the only problem i see is it might piss off raja

I could care less if Raja is pissed. We drafted Gerald. Trade Raja and Nazr.....sign AI

[ammofan]

Yeah^^^^I agree with u.....

We all have to understand that we are not gonna have a perfect lineup with every positions having 2-3 guys who are great.

[catsandheels]

Could we trade like nazr and bell for boozer or david lee and then sign ai???

[ammofan]

Could we trade like nazr and bell for boozer or david lee and then sign ai???

I wish.....Boozer probably not, Lee maybe

[Scottley Crue]

why cant we do this lineup????
PG: felton(maybe)/DJ
SG: AI/Bell
SF: Gerald/Gerald
PF: Diaw/Vlady/UPS
C: Chandler/Diop/Alexis or Nazr
I think that would work. I don't think you'd HAVE to get rid of Raja if AI came aboard. Henderson could get time at the 3 as well as Vlad. Other than luxury tax implications, I don't see why anyone would just have to move.

That being said, perhaps this is a way to get the backup 4 we'd like. I'd prefer Raja stay, but if AI comes aboard, I'm happy to have Henderson back him up. I'm not sure what kind of 4 Raja could net us, but that's an option that at least has to be explored.

[ammofan]

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

It says that Reebok, one of AI's main endorsers as told the league that Iverson is gonna be here. Also states that according to various sources, Charlotte is the only real team AI can go to. NY has said they will not sign him.

Also talks about why its hard to believe LB about his recent comments reguarding AI. It says that Detroit has not recieved any calls from Larry about AI. So basically what I said before in another thread about Larry basically lying to make it seem like we aren't gonna sign him only to turn around and sign him minutes later(not literally, just saying....)

I thought this was interesting so It needed a new thread.

Looks like we are getting closer to:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg179/NBAphotoshopdesigns/aichar_edited-1.png

[Weezy21]

man when will this finally go down?!?!!? its killin me

[TheLegend]

Awsome!! Great find Ammofan. I still hope it's true though.

[SWedd523]

Bo is way too undersized to be playing the 3 spot. LB drafted him to be a pure SG

[Marvel]

COuld it be...........................................

[Weezy21]

I wish.....Boozer probably not, Lee maybe

yea i doubt boozer would want to come here...and i would never pay Lee the money he thinks he deserves....the guy is overrated

[ohara831]

Someone had a post over at RGM a little bit ago stating that Ric Bucher was saying he was closing in on a 2 yr deal with the Rockets. Cant find it at ESPN.com so dont know where it came from.

edit: New post says that was a fake. Whew! Thought I was gonnna throw up my Long John Silvers dinner for a minute.

[Demon DeaCat]

I don't see either of the obstacles LB mentioned really being an issue. Certianly AI's people are well aware of our situation with respect to the luxury tax. They have to know roughly what we can offer, and if that number was something they found unacceptable, I doubt we'd even be on his short list of options.

Same goes for the playing time. They know what our roster looks like and what his chances for PT would likely be given our personnel. Yet, knowing all of this, he still went on the record as saying he'd consider signing with us. I just can't imagine why he'd do that if those obstacles were as huge as LB would have us believe. This has got to be LB just posturing for the media.

[Marvel]

Someone had a post over at RGM a little bit ago stating that Ric Bucher was saying he was closing in on a 2 yr deal with the Rockets. Cant find it at ESPN.com so dont know where it came from.

edit: New post says that was a fake. Whew! Thought I was gonnna throw up my Long John Silvers dinner for a minute.


Didn't Houston use all their MLE on Ariza

[catsandheels]

i sure hope that is correct and they can sign him sometime this weekend or earlier. either way i just want to get this suspense over with wether we get him or not

[GOBOBCATS24]

According to soucres close to him, Allen Iverson is better than he has been in years and years and years. If he is that good then screw Raja and put AI in the starting line up. Seriously people if you think Allen Iverson sucks, think again because AI's back and hes commited to excellence. I can't wait until we sign himmmmm

I knowe ammofan can't wait either we have been on the AI bandwagon for a while.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

If AI wants to finish his career playing basketball it appears that the Bobcats are his only option. Nobody wants his selfish ass ruining team chemistry. The only coach who can handle me myself and Iverson is Larry Brown. So naturally the best fit for AI is Charlotte.

Larry Brown has AI's respect for the most part. Plus AI has said that his best coach was Larry Brown. Though I am afraid of the disruption AI can be to team chemistry I also know that one vintage AI season could be huge for North Carolinians and the Bobcats.

AI knows he is being blackballed by most of the league and he would be on a mission to prove he is not washed up or a problem teammate. So for me weighing the pluses and minuses the pluses win. AI has a lot to prove to those who doubt him and he has a lot to prove to himself. I think the guy has at least one vintage year in the tank.

Remember Shaq? He was supposedly down for the count yet he had some vintage moments and showed he can still be a solid contributor to a team. I don't think it is wise for anybody to write AI off. People will regret that.

[ammofan]

According to soucres close to him, Allen Iverson is better than he has been in years and years and years. If he is that good then screw Raja and put AI in the starting line up. Seriously people if you think Allen Iverson sucks, think again because AI's back and hes commited to excellence. I can't wait until we sign himmmmm

I knowe ammofan can't wait either we have been on the AI bandwagon for a while.

yep, i have wanted iverson since last summer

[Marvel]

If AI wants to finish his career playing basketball it appears that the Bobcats are his only option. Nobody wants his selfish ass ruining team chemistry. The only coach who can handle me myself and Iverson is Larry Brown. So naturally the best fit for AI is Charlotte.

Larry Brown has AI's respect for the most part. Plus AI has said that his best coach was Larry Brown. Though I am afraid of the disruption AI can be to team chemistry I also know that one vintage AI season could be huge for North Carolinians and the Bobcats.

AI knows he is being blackballed by most of the league and he would be on a mission to prove he is not washed up or a problem teammate. So for me weighing the pluses and minuses the pluses win. AI has a lot to prove to those who doubt him and he has a lot to prove to himself. I think the guy has at least one vintage year in the tank.

Remember Shaq? He was supposedly down for the count yet he had some vintage moments and showed he can still be a solid contributor to a team. I don't think it is wise for anybody to write AI off. People will regret that.


I also think AI is capable of showing/proving he's matured after all that's happened over the last 2-3 years and beyond...........remember Kobe and his past...............off the court.

[GOBOBCATS24]

I have wanted him since I was born basically. I spelled know wrong haha.

[TheLegend]

I don't want to jinx it. But you positive he'll sign?

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I don't see either of the obstacles LB mentioned really being an issue. Certianly AI's people are well aware of our situation with respect to the luxury tax. They have to know roughly what we can offer, and if that number was something they found unacceptable, I doubt we'd even be on his short list of options.

Same goes for the playing time. They know what our roster looks like and what his chances for PT would likely be given our personnel. Yet, knowing all of this, he still went on the record as saying he'd consider signing with us. I just can't imagine why he'd do that if those obstacles were as huge as LB would have us believe. This has got to be LB just posturing for the media.Maybe LB is posturing but the reality will end up being AI will be a Bobcat because nobody else is going to give him anywhere near a respectable contract.

AI is a washed up selfish lost cause in most GM's minds and I doubt there is more than two other teams interested in AI. The odds of AI being in Charlotte are pretty high in my opinion. As of now I don't know if that is a good thing or bad. AI will be on a mission to prove his detractors wrong and he will be on a mission to prove to himself he still has something left. He did not play bad in Denver it just did not translate to Denver getting out of the first round. If AI can muster one more vintage type season it would he huge for the Bobcats.

With that said the biggest detraction to the Bobcats could be the attitude of AI. If AI plays well but is totally selfish it will hold the team back from being as good as it can be.

When all this is considered the reality will most likely be that AI wants to play a bit longer and he knows that he could basically lose it all sooner than he wants. AI also knows that his reputation will be zero in the eyes of the people who love basketball.

In my opinion AI will be a shot in the arm for the Bobcats and he would fit in just fine with the current roster. That is if not much has to be given up to get AI.

[GOBOBCATS24]

He said its not about the money any more. he said its about giving his all every second hes on the court. But LB mentioned that they don't want to disrespect him with a very low offer or whatever. I'm pretty sure we are the #1 place he wants to be. I mean if the Lakers offered him the vet. min. would he sign it? IDK

[amour217]

Any way we can possibly make something like "The All AI Thread"?

[GOBOBCATS24]

At the request of amour217 I officially launch this thread. FILL ER UP

[ziggy]

Maerged the half dozen A.I. threads that popped up over the last day or two into this one giant thread.

Have fun and continue to debate the merits of this undersized, low fg%, over the hill, volume shooting defensive liability :biggrin:

[amour217]

Maerged the half dozen A.I. threads that popped up over the last day or two into this one giant thread.

Have fun and continue to debate the merits of this undersized, low fg%, over the hill, volume shooting defensive liability :biggrin:

Angry midget?

[ziggy]

Angry midget?
I think that I'd rather have an angry midget on the roster instead of AI

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn241/baller2324miami/Robinson.png

[GOBOBCATS24]

I don't want the only midget on the roster to be in jail that would be heightist. He got arrested for not having his license. Allen Iverson is a better player than Nate Robinson will ever dream of being.

[BIGCatBobcat]

The above photo of Nate Robinson is 1/2 scale. Iverson, if he comes sort of screws up anything going on with Felton and DJ. That's the only drawback I see.

[dav7z]

Looks like he wants to go to the Heat ?
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/336/story/898881.html

[TheLegend]

Looks like he wants to go to the Heat ?
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/336/story/898881.html

That story was posted on other sites like days ago.

[murphman]

Ouch. This is harsh yet it is hard to argue with it too much.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=An_YikjsjarZS1lRNvnWtpC8vLYF?slug=aw-iverson082009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[BIGCatBobcat]

Officials with one of his endorsers, Reebok, have told league executives they believe Iverson will eventually sign with Brown in Charlotte. That’s been A.I.’s preference too.

As we learned with Lebron getting dunked on, the shoe people run the NBA.

[spectre]

Apologies if this has been posted...

NBA AM - Hoopsworld (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13629)


Felton and Iverson: As of late last night, its believed the Charlotte Bobcats may be the front runner for Allen Iverson as we reported in this space yesterday morning. What an Iverson signing means for Raymond Felton is almost unrelated.


Felton has a Qualifying Offer sheet worth more than $5 million for next season, and as of today that's the best offer on the table. The Bobcats have had several discussions with Felton's camp about a longer term deal but the complications with the franchise being up "For Sale" have stalled talks.

Reports out of Charlotte (http://news14.com/content/sports/basketball/613481/source--bobcats-sale-could-last-into-the-fall/) suggest that a deal to sell the team may not be as close as some hope, leaving Felton in limbo until an answer becomes more clear.

Bobcats' sources believe that a transaction involving a sale could, in a perfect world, close before training camp opens in roughly 40 days and then new ownership can make a deal with Felton. Keep in mind long-term debt, like a guaranteed contract, affects how financing for such a deal is arranged. The Bobcats decision to move Emeka Okafor to New Orleans had as much to do with shedding long-term debt as anything. The lack of a Felton deal is in a similar place.

Sources close to the situation said yesterday if a deal with Iverson can be reached it would likely be a one-year deal and he would be used primarily in a scoring guard role.

There are "sources"!

[ohara831]

^ +1 for the good update! Kinda gives everyone a real good picture of both the AI and Felton situations. My guess is we get AI on a 1 year deal and Ray signs the QO and becomes a FA next year. And then based upon the developement of DJ, or lack thereof, we will decide if we make Ray a long term offer of let him walk.

[SWedd523]

e was still popular enough that fans voted him as a starter in the 2009 NBA All-Star Game. Now he’ll be fortunate to get three of the worst franchises in the NBA – Charlotte, Memphis and the Los Angeles Clippers – to offer him a modest, one-year contract.

Really pisses me off. How can a team fighting for a playoffs spot be one of the worst teams in the league? :facepalm::paddle:

[ammofan]

Spectre: so is that article basically saying we may sign AI before felton because we can use the MLE on him? Or if not whats it saying? lol

[spectre]

Spectre: so is that article basically saying we may sign AI before felton because we can use the MLE on him? Or if not whats it saying? lol

My take was that it was saying we're committed to Felton regardless because of the QO (and it's almost impossible to change that) so one being signed vs. the other is unrelated.

I think you're right tho that AI could be signed before Felton is resolved as management wants a long term deal with Felton and that probably won't happen until we have new ownership due to financing more money over the longer term.

It's the one year (AI) vs. a long term deal (Felton) which makes AI easier to bring on...assuming he'd take what we have to offer.

I'm excited from this article. To me it sure looks like the Bobcats have interest in bringing AI here...which goes against rumors and 2nd hand accounts that we've gotten before.

[ammofan]

My take was that it was saying we're committed to Felton regardless because of the QO (and it's almost impossible to change that) so one being signed vs. the other is unrelated.

I think you're right tho that AI could be signed before Felton is resolved as management wants a long term deal with Felton and that probably won't happen until we have new ownership due to financing more money over the longer term.

It's the one year (AI) vs. a long term deal (Felton) which makes AI easier to bring on...assuming he'd take what we have to offer.

I'm excited from this article. To me it sure looks like the Bobcats have interest in bringing AI here...which goes against rumors and 2nd hand accounts that we've gotten before.


ok thanks man

[catsandheels]

there hasnt been any new tweets from AI in a while i wonder if that means he may be getting close to something you never no.....:p i hope he gets signed by "someone" by the end of the week even if it is not us. If we cant get him i hope he gets signed in the next couple of days so we can move on and see wat else we could do to improve our roster.

[ammofan]

there hasnt been any new tweets from AI in a while i wonder if that means he may be getting close to something you never no.....:p i hope he gets signed by "someone" by the end of the week even if it is not us. If we cant get him i hope he gets signed in the next couple of days so we can move on and see wat else we could do to improve our roster.

no we will all die if we dont sign ai! :D

[EvetsMorrison15]

AI would be my final straw. Just saying.

[davcbow]

New article on Iverson ....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-iverson082009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Ghost Kat]

I love A.I., But I'm not sure how or where he fits with this team.

Maybe if Felton doesn't sign

[ziggy]

Dime Magazine says that its a done deal.
I have a link to it here (http://bobcatsplanet.com/wp/dime-magazine-reports-iverson-to-the-bobcats-is-a-done-deal)


Does this mean that Raja is being dealt?

[spectre]

I don't think so...LB still wants his defense, and we can fit AI in if he's willing to take about 3 million. We'd be right up against the tax, but management should see a rise in revenue which should make up for it.

Besides, Raja is getting on in years, so reducing his minutes to 25-30 would probably mean he could stay healthy for most of the season.

Excellent!

[Fred Williamson]

Does this mean that Raja is being dealt?

This would be an epic mistake.

[bing!]

All this speculation is getting me paranoid, I keep refreshing the RSS feeds every few minutes, just waiting to see the dreadful news and die...

[amour217]

Maybe if Felton doesn't sign

If we lose Felton for AI, I fear it'll be quite the mistake for this franchise, particularly where we are with attitudes within the community, potential team sale, winning, etc.

If AI gets hurt or just plain sucks or is back to his antics, it could be a huge step back for our team, which could lead to LB's frustration, which could lead to him leaving, which could lead to a 2nd biscuit-esque era. I understand that's extremely pessimistic but I'm also trying to look at this from all sides: AI doesn't score in bunches like he used to, he's not the player he used to be, and if we sign him, some people just might not give a crap: I wouldn't bank too much added revenue on him.

[Keetch]

Dime is a trustworthy source, so I suppose this will happen. If they write off Bell or Felton to do this, then that'd be the dumb move I've been waiting for. I don't think they will, but who knows after this?

I just don't get it. Why would LB want to deal with this? I never figured he would. Why rent an aging star who is the opposite of playing the "right way", as they like to say. As a fan, AI adds nothing to this team for me, other than the expectation of greater frustration.

AI is an inefficient player who will likely lose more games than he wins. He's like Felton on steroids.

I'm happy for all you AI geeks out there; I hope it works out. But like the Year of the Biscuit; I'm forseeing another lost year. This time to AI and his domination of the media, the staff and PT. No thanks.

First Chandler, now this. What a make-over.

[Keetch]

Chandler/Diop/Mohammed
Diaw/Radmanovic/Brown
Wallace/Radmanovic/Brown
Iverson/Bell/Henderson
Felton/Augustin

DLeague - Ajinca

That is one wonky roster! Grossly inefficient and small at the guards, fantasically weak at PF. Poor depth on the front line....

Honestly the only players I really like in that group are Chandler, Bell and Wallace. The rest are either unknown rookies (Brown and Henderson), brain-dead (Diop, Radmanovic) or inefficient, undersized (Felton, AI, DJ, Diaw).

Who will have the ball the most in that group? AI. How is that a good thing?

Low Lottery team. Who has our draft pick now?

[ammofan]

We are ngoing to have a SICK SICK SICK team........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv59uryp_lc

^Imagine that with Gerald, DJ, Diaw and Tyson....and maybe Ray
This is one of the most exciting teams in the league!

[ziggy]

The potential Felton/Iverson backcourt

Iverson 41.6 FG% / 28.6 3pt%
Felton 40.8 FG% / 28.5 3pt%

neither one has adequate size to guard the 6'6" - 6'8" opposing shooting guards that are in vast abundance around the league.

Iverson is 34.... For those of you that haven't reached 34 yet, believe me when I say that 34 is light years away from 24 physically. Trust me.

There was an article about how he was getting lit up defensively last season in training camp by journeyman players ( I'll try to find the link )

His last 3 stops didn't end well Philly, Denver, Detroit.

I don't see how this helps us one bit.

[spectre]

Guys...trust in Larry Brown. That man dreams more basketball than any of us know, and if HE thinks he can make it work then I think he deserves the chance.

Think of the versatility we have at the 1/2:

Felton/AI
Felton/Raja
Felton/DJ
Felton/Henderson
AI/Raja
DJ/Raja
DJ/AI (when we just want to score like hell against the weak perimeter teams)
AI/Henderson
DJ/Henderson

That's a lot of options and gives LB more of a chance to find something that'll work.

[ziggy]

Guys...trust in Larry Brown. That man dreams more basketball than any of us know, and if HE thinks he can make it work then I think he deserves the chance.


ILBIT... still.

I just have a bad feeling about this one.

[Fred Williamson]

Chandler/Diop/Mohammed
Diaw/Radmanovic/Brown
Wallace/Radmanovic/Brown
Iverson/Bell/Henderson
Felton/Augustin

DLeague - Ajinca

That is one wonky roster! Grossly inefficient and small at the guards, fantasically weak at PF. Poor depth on the front line....

Honestly the only players I really like in that group are Chandler, Bell and Wallace. The rest are either unknown rookies (Brown and Henderson), brain-dead (Diop, Radmanovic) or inefficient, undersized (Felton, AI, DJ, Diaw).

Who will have the ball the most in that group? AI. How is that a good thing?

Low Lottery team. Who has our draft pick now?

I couldn't have said it better myself

[ohara831]

Best news of the summer so far.

[TyHill]

Iverson wasnt BAD in Denver, he did well there. That role just doesnt fit Iverson with another top scorer on the team. Detroit he was playing injured..plus, no one on Detroit did anything last year. AI in philly was his best years where he was surrounded by defensive players..it worked. Larry Brown sees we have the defense and to bring him in with a chip on his shoulder with so many people doubting him..this truly could be a great thing. Plus with AI/Felton/Wallace/Diaw/Chandler..we could essentially play any pace of basketball.

ON another note...Could we possibly be sign and trading Felton for a PF/picks?

Also, not sure why people are so distraught if Iverson comes here...what the hell have we done as a team since the start of the Bobcats? Time to make some interesting moves. I like it

[Ghost Kat]

Well if it's a done deal I will jump back into the drivers seat of the Iverson bandwagon. A.I. has been my favorite player since Jordan left. That cross over of his was murder, Still is. I love A.I. but i have no idea how he fits right now. But I'll welcome him none the less because i'm such a big fan. My bias is probably blinding me from reality. But Iverson still averaged 1.5 stls a game. He still plays good defense. He's always been small, But when have you seen teams light up Iverson because he's barely 6 foot?

My major problem is it's stated A.I. can't fit into a system, Can't be a role player. That's a major problem, This team is nothing but role players that fit into a system. A go to type scorer was needed badly last year. We lost alot of games in the last minute by 5 pts or less. But Iverson ball hogging or throwing up bad shots well destroy the pass first mentality.

Now marketing wise Iverson is still a goldmine. Ticket sales, Jerseys, Bobble Heads, whatever. A.I. is to old to try to drive LB crazy. They are both to old, but ten yrs ago Iverson was a top five player, LB was in the same shape coaching. Both fell and now want a rebirth in Charlotte.

[Double_Trouble]

I like the idea of AI on the team. We lost a lot of games last year b/c we didn't have a consistent 20 ppg scorer. In AI we will get that. What other options do we have this season to make our team better? AI is an upgrade at the SG position. With the East getting better we have to make this move.

[dav7z]

I don't know about the wins or if it makes the team better . But it is a great bisness move . The increase in season ticket sales should more and pay for his salery. That don't count any of the merchandize sales . It will be more AI jerseys sold this year than MEK sold during his whole stay as a Bobcat.


If this goes down i will be looking to see us move Felton .
I could see a Felton for D Lee sign and trade if money didn't get to high .

[eleaf14]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/08/no-deal-yet-but-iversontobobcats-viable.html

Sounds like dime wasnt on their A game...but Bonnell seems to think its serious.

[ziggy]

If this goes down i will be looking to see us move Felton .
I could see a Felton for D Lee sign and trade if money didn't get to high .

Spectre, Tamb or one of the cap gurus around here:
From a salary capological standpoint is that possible? If so sign me up for that deal right now.

[Fred Williamson]

Now marketing wise Iverson is still a goldmine. Ticket sales, Jerseys, Bobble Heads, whatever. A.I. is to old to try to drive LB crazy. They are both to old, but ten yrs ago Iverson was a top five player, LB was in the same shape coaching. Both fell and now want a rebirth in Charlotte.

Sorry but, mentally, Iverson is still 18 years old.

A 34-old veteran, who doesn't want to take a lesser role for less money on a contender team? What the hell is wrong with this guy? What does he want to prove?
That he's able to take 40shots per game, instead of 25, on a medicore lottery team?

[Muttley]

Gotta say I'm warming to the notion of AI as a Bobcat.
However, it hinges on 2 things for me:

1. LB better be all for it.

If he's at all tentative about it, then it's a bad idea. AI and Brown would need an understanding. The team should still be Gerald's and Raymond's (as far as on-court leadership). AI needs to be another tool in LB's toolbox.

2. Do not trade Raja Bell in order to acquire AI.

I mean, seriously? The guy who is one of the best at guarding the most dangerous Mofos in the NBA (conveniently at the position that the most dangerous scorers also play), and we switch him with a non-defensive volume shooter? I have faith in Ray's defensive abilities when guarding 2's, but he's no Raja.

I love AI. He's got more toughness per pound than most anyone else in the NBA. I'm not sure about him fitting in Charlotte, but if LB's cool with it, then it's cool with me.

[Scottley Crue]

Iverson wasnt BAD in Denver, he did well there. That role just doesnt fit Iverson with another top scorer on the team. Detroit he was playing injured..plus, no one on Detroit did anything last year. AI in philly was his best years where he was surrounded by defensive players..it worked. Larry Brown sees we have the defense and to bring him in with a chip on his shoulder with so many people doubting him..this truly could be a great thing. Plus with AI/Felton/Wallace/Diaw/Chandler..we could essentially play any pace of basketball.

ON another note...Could we possibly be sign and trading Felton for a PF/picks?

Also, not sure why people are so distraught if Iverson comes here...what the hell have we done as a team since the start of the Bobcats? Time to make some interesting moves. I like it
I agree. Iverson in Detroit was a bad fit, it just made it look better to get a name player like Iverson when trading Billups for the cap space the deal offered. That deal was not to make them better last year, it was to free up space for this current off-season.

As constructed, I do think we'd make the playoffs, but it'd be quite the dogfight to do so. It may still be a challenge to get in if Iverson signs, but I do think that helps with the chances. He and LB have done this before, with very similar players around them. Iverson gets to the basket and the line, things LB loves. Someone needs to put the ball in the basket a lot...Iverson can certainly do that.

One little thing that would be nice to see...we'd now have one of the guys that can get calls on reputation. That would be a nice change as far as I'm concerned.

[spectre]

Spectre, Tamb or one of the cap gurus around here:
From a salary capological standpoint is that possible? If so sign me up for that deal right now.

If he'll take around 2.5 million it is, taking into account Felton's 5.5 QO.

I posted on RGM that I think they could sign AI to a 3 million/1 year deal and ultimately offer Felton a long term contract starting at 5 million with raises.

That's about the best we could do...and we'd be right up against the luxury tax.

Edit:

EXACTLY what Muttley said. I'm right there beside ya partner.

[bellringer21]

Rumor I heard is Raja Bell for Jared Jefferies now so they have enough minutes to go around for their roster. The salary is more for Jefferies, but I think the Knicks could add some money/2nd round picks to the deal.

Brown clearly stated that he doesnt have enough minutes for Iverson if he signs and this would clear out space for him.


Felton for D Lee doesn't work...Knicks are going to get Lee for a 1yr deal to leave 2010 cap space available. Sessions makes more sense for them since he will be cheaper and still leave alot of room for their failed attempt at LBJ.

[Fred Williamson]

Rumor I heard is Raja Bell for Jared Jefferies now so they have enough minutes to go around for their roster. The salary is more for Jefferies, but I think the Knicks could add some money/2nd round picks to the deal.

Brown clearly stated that he doesnt have enough minutes for Iverson if he signs and this would clear out space for him.


Felton for D Lee doesn't work...Knicks are going to get Lee for a 1yr deal to leave 2010 cap space available. Sessions makes more sense for them since he will be cheaper and still leave alot of room for their failed attempt at LBJ.

Bell's contract expires next year, Jeffries in 2011.

For god's sake, why should we do this? This is BS.

Edit: This "rumor" comes from the Knicks blog. Definitely BS

[spectre]

We'd be adding another 1.2 million to our salary which would push us even more toward the LT before we signed AI. The only other salary they have where we could possibly include Nazr is Duhon, and 1) we don't need him too and 2) we'd be adding even MORE salary.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Duhon/Chandler/Jefferies

for

DJ/Raja/Nazr.

Felton/Duhon/Jefferson
AI/Henderson
Crash/Chandler/Vlad
Boris/Jefferies/Brown
Chandler/Diop/Ajinca

More balanced and cuts about a million off...but I don't like it. Much rather deal with minutes at the 1/2.

[dav7z]

Rumor I heard is Raja Bell for Jared Jefferies now so they have enough minutes to go around for their roster. The salary is more for Jefferies, but I think the Knicks could add some money/2nd round picks to the deal.

Brown clearly stated that he doesnt have enough minutes for Iverson if he signs and this would clear out space for him.


Felton for D Lee doesn't work...Knicks are going to get Lee for a 1yr deal to leave 2010 cap space available. Sessions makes more sense for them since he will be cheaper and still leave alot of room for their failed attempt at LBJ.


If Felts and Lee both did a sign and trade starting around 5.5 . I think that could be done . Felts could be a long term starting point for them at a decent price.
Lee would fit in well with our bigs.
DJ is about ready to turn lose.
AI, D,J
Bell, Hendo, Diaw yes playing some s/g
Wallace, Diaw , UPS
Lee , Diaw,
Chandler , Lee'
Tight rotation with lots of rebounding scoring . Lots more size, Lots more beanch scoring

We might have to put in a filler to make it work Lee might want more money [Alexas just a example] . Spectre can something like that be worked out.

[Fred Williamson]

Duhon/Chandler/Jefferies

for

DJ/Raja/Nazr.


Come on spectre, you're better than that.

[iversonmania]

So Happy if this goes through.AI has dignity, and isnt like the mcdyess or the paytons who try to win a ring just by going to the winning team. AI doesnt want a ring, he wants to earn a ring.

I cant wait for next year. Last year was very tough for me a diehard iverson fan. I hope I will love the bobcats, unlike the pisstons..

now we got sixers weaker then last year, so is chicago without gordon..we can go for the 4th or 5th spot and make it to next round vs miami.I am full of hope.

[iversonmania]

Sorry but, mentally, Iverson is still 18 years old.

A 34-old veteran, who doesn't want to take a lesser role for less money on a contender team? What the hell is wrong with this guy? What does he want to prove?
That he's able to take 40shots per game, instead of 25, on a medicore lottery team?

AI WANTS TO EARN A RING, HE DOESNT WANT A RING HANDED TO HIM.

Thank you.

Carrying a team to second round in NBA, is much better and worthier then win a ring being a bench player.

[Fred Williamson]

AI WANTS TO EARN A RING, HE DOESNT WANT A RING HANDED TO HIM.

Thank you.

Carrying a team to second round in NBA, is much better and worthier then win a ring being a bench player.


lmao :hysterical:

[ohara831]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Report-Iverson-to-reunite-with-Larry-Brown-in-C;_ylt=AjgJFaQmxPIRed0HYM3MP0u8vLYF?urn=nba,184491

It may not be official yet. But seeing it from another source makes me feel more and more confident that this will happen. Trusting LB to make things gel right, with the added talent, I do feel better about our chances. We should be able to compete in our division.

[bing!]

AI WANTS TO EARN A RING, HE DOESNT WANT A RING HANDED TO HIM.

Thank you.

Carrying a team to second round in NBA, is much better and worthier then win a ring being a bench player.
^ this goes here (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8706). :facepalm:

[ammofan]

Come on spectre, you're better than that.

thats not that bad of a deal......

[catsandheels]

HURRY BRING IN IVERSON!!!!!Trade one of the expirings and acquire lee from the knicks via sign and trade we would be even more awesome than just with ai our bech would be more stacked than it is!!!!!! think of a lineup like this!!!!

felton(maybe)/dj/iverson(if needed)
Bell(maybe)/iverson(beast)hendo(young)dj
Wallace/vlad/ups/hendo
Lee/diaw/vlad/ups/wallace
chandler/diop/lee/nazr/

LOOK at that bech:
hendorson vlad dj(if felton not traded or a fa)
ups diaw nazr diop

that is a pretty good lineup even if we cant sign felton back but if we did and traded bell and nazr for lee, and a backup 2 then imagine that!!!!!!! We could be unstoppable....
maybe we can sell the team resign felton and acquire someone else who nos

[SWedd523]

thats not that bad of a deal......
Wilson Chandler is going to be sick in a couple of years. But Duhon and Jefferies are scrubs.

Raja is our leader, and DJ is our future PG. Very uneven deal

[catsandheels]

Wilson Chandler is going to be sick in a couple of years. But Duhon and Jefferies are scrubs.

Raja is our leader, and DJ is our future PG. Very uneven deal

right.
the only upside to that trade would be we would shed salery but if we woulds sign iverson then i wouldnt want to trade for scrubs trade for david lee who could actually help us. who cares if we is a white boy hes pretty good.

[bing!]

What the hell is wrong with some of the newer members?

AI's scoring is not in question, his inter-personal conduct is. In essence, he'll bring CCD to our bee hive.

[spectre]

Come on spectre, you're better than that.

What? I was looking for something that would be feasible financially...no one gained "years" and we shave just a little off the cap to pay AI. New York is dedicated to 2010 and this doesn't hinder that. We'd trade a backup yet promising PG for a promising SF in Chandler, strengthening the 3 while still adding another vet in Duhon at the 1.

It also clears this "logjam" (which I don't agree with) at the 1/2.

I also said I wouldn't want to do it.

[catsandheels]

AI's scoring is not in question, his inter-personal conduct is. In essence, he'll bring CCD to our bee hive.

I think(and hope) iverson will be on his best behavior. If we sign him to a 2 year deal and starts actin up he will be kicked to the curb and he will try and sign with another team but no other team will want him for the same reason y only a handfull of teams wanted him this year. He said he wants to end his carrer in a "happy situation" and i think he will try to make it happy as possible.

[Keetch]

You know what, I'm gonna back off now, because well, I've always greatly respected Allen Iverson; even if I didn't think he'd ever be a star on a winning team.

It will definitely be interesting to see LB and AI on the same bench again. AI could not have asked for a better situation for himself. I suppose LB will look for AI to be a team leader and subordinate Ray (yet again lol @ Felton). DJ becomes somewhat redundant, but can still produce in limited minutes; looks like a redo of last year for him.

The first time Ray takes the last second shot may be his last. AI will saw his head off. That's a plus!

If AI is here; I'd just as soon we play him at PG with Raja at the 2. Cut Felton and DJ's minutes. AI and Wallace can make the "All Heart" 1st Team. There can't be two more rugged players out there.

....and I DO like the new UNI's!!!

[SWedd523]

I can't help but think AI's behavior would be as bad as it ever was








Cantankerous old fart.

[GOBOBCATS24]

Swedd I think exactly the opposite. I think he realizes how terrible of a situation he put Detroit in last year even though he was somewhat mistreated and is now saying "Hey I gotta prove my self to everyone this year that I'm a team player and that I can lead a team to success." His twitter said his smarter than he has ever been. I'm not saying twitter is all truth but I want to think that Allen has changed a lot in the past year. Last year was probably the worst year of his whole life. He wants to come back and prove himself and you know how good he is with LB. You don't think he wanted to come here for the nightlife do you??? hahaha if we even have one. It was LB that AI wants to play for because he is one of the few that has been able to control AI. This is a very ballsy move by our FO and I stand and applaud them. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER.

[catsandheels]

like some of u guys have said before if we sign him then we can have lots of options at the 1-2-3. We got as of right now: bell dj wallace diaw hendo that can all play either play the 1-2-2 and even 4. If we want to have a scoring lineup then iit could look like this:
ai
bell/dj
wallace
diaw chandler
Small:
dj
ai
bell
wallace
diaw
Big:
bell(maybe)
diaw
wallace
vlad
chandler

and if ajinca develops JUST THINK ABOUT IT!!!! two 7 footers at the 4-5 and the 4 can knock down 3s

[dav7z]

right.
the only upside to that trade would be we would shed salery but if we woulds sign iverson then i wouldnt want to trade for scrubs trade for david lee who could actually help us. who cares if we is a white boy hes pretty good.

If we traded Felts and Alexas for Lee in a sign and trade . We could afford to give Lee a five year deal starting around 6.5
Get rid of a few hundred thousand off the cap.
Thats Browns p/f and AI is his scorer . With the addition of Lee and AI , we would be looking at a forth or fifth seed in the playoffs.

Use either Diaw or Wallace as a sixth man either can play three or four positions.

AI
Bell
Wallace or Diaw
Lee
Chandler

Thats a nice starting five with debth . Somthing we never had. Im starting to get excited . If we could make both moves the Cable box would sell out all most ever game.

[Fred Williamson]

Pass on Lee. Overrated, no jumpshot, no defense, not worth 5 years.

[SirBobcat]

Whatever we do (i'm considering AI is a Bobcat) we're trading one of our guards for a big man. There's a name out there that i've looked up at that might fit what LB wants to do that fits the Cats financially:

Ronny Turiaf (4.14 mill this year, 4 mill next, player option for 4.36): Bell for Turiaf swap would fit both team's plans. Golden State wants to be tougher defensively and Charlotte needs a big man who can idealistically backup at C and PF in situations. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l8rjeq

Interesting thing on the deal. The trade actually saves the Bobcats a little over 1 million dollars. Maybe it would be easier to sign Iverson with a little more money freed up?

[catsandheels]

[QUOTE=dav7z;134858]If we traded Felts and Alexas for Lee in a sign and trade . We could afford to give Lee a five year deal starting around 6.5
Get rid of a few hundred thousand off the cap.QUOTE]

I dont want to trade lexi he has a TON of potential. He is a 7 footer with an awesome jumpshot. Id rather put in a diff fill in. I mean first we wanted sean may to lose weight now we want lexi to gain weight it is easier to gain it then lose it. I dont believe his is over 20 yet which means he is still developing. When we play him he puts up good numbers for a bench player. I do want lee though but want to keep lexi.

[catsandheels]

Whatever we do (i'm considering AI is a Bobcat) we're trading one of our guards for a big man. There's a name out there that i've looked up at that might fit what LB wants to do that fits the Cats financially:

Ronny Turiaf (4.14 mill this year, 4 mill next, player option for 4.36): Bell for Turiaf swap would fit both team's plans. Golden State wants to be tougher defensively and Charlotte needs a big man who can idealistically backup at C and PF in situations. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l8rjeq

Interesting thing on the deal. The trade actually saves the Bobcats a little over 1 million dollars. Maybe it would be easier to sign Iverson with a little more money freed up?
i like the trade even though i wouldnt want bell to go we could resign felton to. I wouldnt see turiaf startin like i would c lee though and he got 2 left on his contract.

[GOBOBCATS24]

Thats an awesome idea if we were going to trade bell. Ronnie Turiaf plays with so much passion and he pours EVERYTHING HE HAS into the game, whether on the bench or on the court. I think LB would like him a ton. I would hate to see Raja go but this is a good trade in my book.

[SirBobcat]

i like the trade even though i wouldnt want bell to go we could resign felton to. I wouldnt see turiaf startin like i would c lee though and he got 2 left on his contract.

Here's how it is: Chandler and Diaw will be our starting C and PF no matter what. With Diop being the backup for Chandler along with Mohammed/Ajinca being Diop's backup and Radmanovich being the backup for Diaw, we are missing toughness at the PF position. If there's a way to gain a big man, so Radman can be the primary backup at SF, then we're in a good position.

Where we stand now, Radman will have to be the primary backup PF and i'm not comfortable with that. Now weird things can happen like Brown instantly becoming a contributor, but this isn't a time to take chances and hope it happens. This team needs a solid backup PF who knows his role is a backup PF. Turiaf has been a career backup who's flourished under his role. He provides good defense and solid rebounding for about 20 minutes a game. He fits the financial needs of the team and the position on the roster.

I'd like to see this lineup on opening night:
C- Chandler/Diop/Mohammed
PF- Diaw/Turiaf/Ajinca
SF- Wallace/Radmanovich/Brown (Hybrid between PF and SF)
SG- Iverson/Henderson/Project NBAD or undrafted rookie
PG- Felton/Augustin/Jefferson

[catsandheels]

@sirbobcat:

i am starting to like the idea of a turiaf trade. did u make the idea up or did u see the trade floatin around?

[SirBobcat]

@sirbobcat:

i am starting to like the idea of a turiaf trade. did u make the idea up or did u see the trade floatin around?

I made the idea up. I took about 30 minutes to look around HoopsHype's NBA Salaries area, then remembered about the Raja Bell to Golden State rumor. I felt at the end of looking at all the teams that Turiaf was the right fit for every qualification we need involving the current team and financial situation.

[Double_Trouble]

I like the trade also. Turiaf adds some depth at the PF.

[SirBobcat]

I like the trade also. Turiaf adds some depth at the PF.

He's the security blanket this team so desperately needs at the PF position. We all know LB loves his versatility and will like that he can play C and PF.

[BobcatsAllDay]

The only thing that makes me want to see Iverson here is all of the doubt around the league. I feel like almost every GM in the league has said w/o saying "Iverson can't help us", and I don't feel like this is a Farve situation where maybe the skills are not what they used to be. I think Iverson has a lot left in the tank but someone like LB has the chance to sit him down and clearly define his role on this team. I think just seeing one of our players get a questionable call in a close game would make this deal worth it.

Bringing AI in would present a challenge to the ownership (for obvious reasons), coaching (how will LB make this work?), backcourt (are they willing to do what it takes to make this work?)....we'll see.......

[ammofan]

Wilson Chandler is going to be sick in a couple of years. But Duhon and Jefferies are scrubs.

Raja is our leader, and DJ is our future PG. Very uneven deal


well I wouldn't do it....I was just saying its not THAT bad

[Weezy21]

Whatever we do (i'm considering AI is a Bobcat) we're trading one of our guards for a big man. There's a name out there that i've looked up at that might fit what LB wants to do that fits the Cats financially:

Ronny Turiaf (4.14 mill this year, 4 mill next, player option for 4.36): Bell for Turiaf swap would fit both team's plans. Golden State wants to be tougher defensively and Charlotte needs a big man who can idealistically backup at C and PF in situations. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l8rjeq

Interesting thing on the deal. The trade actually saves the Bobcats a little over 1 million dollars. Maybe it would be easier to sign Iverson with a little more money freed up?

i wouldn't mind it....im just still iffy on trading bell when he did so well last year defending the top SG's in the league...also, another thing u gotta worry about is would this be a good 4 fit golden state??...they already have Azubuike (14ppg), Morrow (has showed GREAT potential 9ppg), and stephen curry at the SG spot...what makes you think they would be all for trading turiaf for another SG....golden state does have b-wright and randolph, but they are both tooth picks

i really just dont see golden state doin sumthin like this

[spectre]

Yeah, the GSW fans on RGM are pretty high on him.

How about a straight up Nazr for Jefferies? Salary & years are neutral and they only have Darko & Curry (the fatter Sean May) at C. He'd be 3rd C here anyway, and Jefferies would probably be 2nd behind Boris.

[SWedd523]

Yeah, the GSW fans on RGM are pretty high on him.

How about a straight up Nazr for Jefferies? Salary & years are neutral and they only have Darko & Curry (the fatter Sean May) at C. He'd be 3rd C here anyway, and Jefferies would probably be 2nd behind Boris.
I'd do it if for no other reason than to get something out of the contract

[superb1]

Im kind of against trading Bell. If we sign AI, resign Ray, could we still bring in a Florent Peitrus or bring back juwan Howard.

[SWedd523]

Im kind of against trading Bell. If we sign AI, resign Ray, could we still bring in a Florent Peitrus or bring back juwan Howard.
signing AI wouldn't leave us with much money to sign those guys even at the vet minimum

[ammofan]

Pass on Lee. Overrated, no jumpshot, no defense, not worth 5 years.

wow....u just dont like anyone do you? lol

[superb1]

Well could we trade Nazr/Vlad or Diop to a team with cap space for peanuts like a 2nd rounder to give us some wiggle room

[spectre]

No one has capspace they're willing to give up.

Sac has a few million but they aren't spending it; remember they "gave" Salmons & Miller away for Nocioni last year for the relief. I don't know of anyone else. There are a few bigger TPEs out there, but the looming drop in cap next year has everyone hanging onto what they have.

[Ghost Kat]

Sorry but, mentally, Iverson is still 18 years old.

A 34-old veteran, who doesn't want to take a lesser role for less money on a contender team? What the hell is wrong with this guy? What does he want to prove?
That he's able to take 40shots per game, instead of 25, on a medicore lottery team?

How do you know he is 18 mentally? He's still a dangerous player, thats what I care about. He doesn't get into trouble off the court anymore, So no problems there. Honestly Iverson didn't fit well with either of his last teams or the coaches. Neither Denver nor Motown were really contenders for a ring. So what has Iverson done that makes you think he's so young in the mind....added to that how old are you? How many yrs do you have under your belt. It's hard to be told one day your worth 20 mill then be told your going to be a back up. It's hard after all Iverson has done to get your ego stomped on. What if Karl Malone had to come off the bench when he went to the Lakers....You think He would have a 18 yr olds attitude about it?

[catsandheels]

saw on rgm espn yahoo and other sites that ai and cats talk r "getting serious" i know we all probly knew that but i thought it would be good to c it on very reliable sites.

[ammofan]

saw on rgm espn yahoo and other sites that ai and cats talk r "getting serious" i know we all probly knew that but i thought it would be good to c it on very reliable sites.

same thing i was gonna say!

[catsandheels]

i have a question that i cant figure out...

trades have to go through the league office before being finalized....is that same with free agent signings????

[ammofan]

i have a question that i cant figure out...

trades have to go through the league office before being finalized....is that same with free agent signings????

ID.....probably becasue the league has to keep track of salaries and all

[catsandheels]

i mean we could of signed iverson like today or tommarow and we wouldnt no until monday when the league office opens and has to approve it

[catsandheels]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9146

found this link. Shows each bobcats salary and how much cap left may not be helpfull but i though it was pretty cool.

[LB4President]

I wouldn't be suprised if he was signed tomorrow, but none of these articles have a quote from a reliable source. If it were imminent then someone would come out and say it, so it is obviously still unresolved.

[Marvel]

Playoffs here we come...seriously though how will AI fit on this team,there has to be a trade coming or something

[We Talkin 'Bout Practice]

This is gonna be an exciting year.

Though I wouldn't be too much confident yet - as I've said in RealGM, my source told me that NOTHING is done and that there isn't anything sealed, but Charlotte appears to be the front runner.

Nice forum btw, lookin' forward to spend my time here everyday.

[ammofan]

This is gonna be an exciting year.

Though I wouldn't be too much confident yet - as I've said in RealGM, my source told me that NOTHING is done and that there isn't anything sealed, but Charlotte appears to be the front runner.

Nice forum btw, lookin' forward to spend my time here everyday.


who is your source? And welcome to Bobcats Planet!!!!!!

[ohara831]

This is gonna be an exciting year.

Though I wouldn't be too much confident yet - as I've said in RealGM, my source told me that NOTHING is done and that there isn't anything sealed, but Charlotte appears to be the front runner.

Nice forum btw, lookin' forward to spend my time here everyday.


Hey! Welcome to the boards Mr. Bonnell. Love your work.

[ammofan]

new photoshop Iverson thread by me!
http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?p=134893#post134893

[We Talkin 'Bout Practice]

Sexy photoshops there mate.

[ammofan]

thanks man...where u get the one for your avy?

[Ghost Kat]

Question: How did we sign Iverson before Felton? ....If the rumors are true :confused:

[rsxnova]

This is going to be fun...

[Fred Williamson]

How do you know he is 18 mentally? He's still a dangerous player, thats what I care about. He doesn't get into trouble off the court anymore, So no problems there. Honestly Iverson didn't fit well with either of his last teams or the coaches. Neither Denver nor Motown were really contenders for a ring. So what has Iverson done that makes you think he's so young in the mind....

ummh, where do I start:

- He's just in to himself

- He's not a leader and that type of player who wants to win

- He has no faith in his team

- He "rather retires than accept coming off the bench"

- He's doesn't want to be open minded and willing to discover new roles and skills that will break him through to a new level.

- Basketball is not a One-Man-Show (and he thinks it is)

- He starts crying and bitching about whatever reason

- ""When you see me again you will think that I am fresh out of Georgetown!" :rolleyes:
.....




added to that how old are you? How many yrs do you have under your belt. I'm 20 years old, but what has that got to do with it?


It's hard to be told one day your worth 20 mill then be told your going to be a back up.Sheed, Jason Kidd, McDyess, Ratliff, Mutombo, Payton, hell, even Marbury accepted to sign for less money. They didn't have a problem with it, because they want a ring badly. They cut their ego and accepted a subordinated role on contender team.

So this makes me wonder about Iverson, does he only care about his stats? Why does he want to sign with a lottery team?


It's hard after all Iverson has done to get your ego stomped on He didn't accomplish anything in his career, besided individual awards like the MVP or scoring titles.[/QUOTE]


. What if Karl Malone had to come off the bench when he went to the Lakers....You think He would have a 18 yr olds attitude about it?It's the Lakers. They were contenders without any doubt, back in 2004. And yes, with Jackson as a coach and Shaq as the team captain? He wouldn't have dared to open his mouth.

[We Talkin 'Bout Practice]

Yeah exactly - I may be the biggest A.I homer out there and will harm someone if they say something inappropriate to Ivo, but let's accept reality, he still wants to be in that spotlight, he still wants touches, he still wants to be the Franchise.

He could've been in Boston right now, or heck, even in LAL and copy what Artest did.

But he still wants that groove, but in the end, I still see him as a HOF first ballot, with a ring, or not.

[bing!]

AI invades the avatar spaces of BCP members, beware!

[ballwhore]

Iverson in Raja Bell out of here...

[bing!]

Iverson in Raja Bell out of here...

^ demon, I banish you!

http://www.sixwise.com/images/articles/2005/09/07/exorcise_priest.jpg

[iversonmania]

Sheed, Jason Kidd, McDyess, Ratliff, Mutombo, Payton, hell, even Marbury accepted to sign for less money. They didn't have a problem with it, because they want a ring badly.


Iverson doesnt want a ring badly like those losers, he wants to earn one.


THANK YOU.

[spectre]

Yeah exactly - I may be the biggest A.I homer out there and will harm someone if they say something inappropriate to Ivo, but let's accept reality, he still wants to be in that spotlight, he still wants touches, he still wants to be the Franchise.

He could've been in Boston right now, or heck, even in LAL and copy what Artest did.

But he still wants that groove, but in the end, I still see him as a HOF first ballot, with a ring, or not.

Nice to see you over here (Booz?).

Since you made the effort to hook up with the best Bobcats' site in existence can I take that to mean what you alluded to on RGM is pretty darn good news for us?

I really don't care for the "Bell will likely be moved tho"...hope you're wrong on that one.

[bing!]

http://i32.tinypic.com/2a916cj.jpg

Shepherd, mmmmm, shiny...

[ziggy]

Iverson in Raja Bell out of here...

ballwhore ?!?!?!


http://i26.tinypic.com/f53sle.gif

[Fred Williamson]

Iverson doesnt want a ring badly like those losers, he wants to earn one.


THANK YOU.

please....just stop.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/facepalming.gif

[TheLegend]

please....just stop.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/facepalming.gif

I wonder how peeople make those, it's pretty funny lol.

[Fred Williamson]

http://i32.tinypic.com/2a916cj.jpg

Shepherd, mmmmm, shiny...

hey bing, can I have your permission to post this pic on the realGM forum?

[mrtarheel]

What if we could go along the lines of this in a trade with the Rockets who desperately need a center

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m3q6us

We get rid of one bad contract and get our banger at pf. We maybe have to throw in a pick and could let White go and he could return to the Rockets. We could replace Diop with Nazr and it still works if that is what they want but they need a big in a bad way and considering they don't know about Yao's return this gives them insurance for 3yrs. They don't need scoring they just need d from him because the have Battier, Scolia, Landry and Hayes. Cook nor Dorsey seem to be in front of any of them and they don't need them. Keeping those two gives them a total of 5 pfs and 1/2 a center in Anderson. This trade and release saves us about 1mil to add on to the signing of AI.

[ammofan]

What if we could go along the lines of this in a trade with the Rockets who desperately need a center

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m3q6us

We get rid of one bad contract and get our banger at pf. We maybe have to throw in a pick and could let White go and he could return to the Rockets. We could replace Diop with Nazr and it still works if that is what they want but they need a big in a bad way and considering they don't know about Yao's return this gives them insurance for 3yrs. They don't need scoring they just need d from him because the have Battier, Scolia, Landry and Hayes. Cook nor Dorsey seem to be in front of any of them and they don't need them. Keeping those two gives them a total of 5 pfs and 1/2 a center in Anderson. This trade and release saves us about 1mil to go along with signing AI.


its okay I guess....I wuld rather keep diop though