Finding Go-To Scorer Next Step in Bobcats' Growth

[spectre]

Reversing Fortunes - NBA.COM (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/27/bobcats/index.html)


In their first season with coach Larry Brown, the Bobcats went from the 23rd-best defensive team in the league, allowing 106.8 points per 100 possessions in 2007-08, to the seventh best, allowing 103.2 in 2008-09. Only two teams (Cleveland and Milwaukee) improved more defensively last season.

The turnaround started with Brown's insistence on defensive accountability and continued with trades that brought in Raja Bell, Boris Diaw and DeSagana Diop.

"After we made a couple of trades, our core started to mold together," Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins told NBA.com. "That's when we became better. Guys held each other accountable and guys started buying in."

In some ways, Allen Iverson would be a great fit. He's a guy who can get into the paint, draw defenders and score in his sleep. Brown helped Iverson achieve his greatest level of team success in the NBA when both individuals were in Philly. Brown has also given his former player an endorsement this summer, but the Bobcats haven't made Iverson a contract offer (something the Grizzlies reportedly did this week).

"We maintain an eye on the situation," Higgins said, "but the last thing you want to do is embarrass a player with an offer, not only financially, but from a playing time aspect."

The Bobcats do not want to stunt the growth of second-year point guard D.J. Augustin or rookie shooting guard Gerald Henderson. They've also got Bell, their best perimeter defender, and unsigned restricted free agent Raymond Felton in the backcourt. So while Iverson could help, he's not someone Charlotte wants playing major minutes.

Without a primary scorer, the Bobcats will hope that they can become more efficient offensively through chemistry and balance. Brown has won big in the past without a big-time scorer -- his Pistons teams earlier this decade didn't have a player averaging more than 19 points per game.

"I think you get better when guys come in, are familiar with one another, know the offense and know what coach is going to expect from them," Higgins said. "Familiarity is going to breed some continuity."

"We envision that [Chandler] will transition well for us, going from offense to defense and defense to offense, which is important to coach's style of play," Higgins said, also noting that Chandler could play alongside Diop or Nazr Mohammed on the frontline. That could help the Bobcats improve on the defensive boards (they ranked 17th last season with a defensive rebounding rate of 73.0 percent).

Finally, Charlotte has yet to come to an agreement with Felton.

"We've always maintained an interest in getting something done with Raymond," Higgins said. "That's never changed."
Snipped out some parts, but overall a good read.

From Higgins' quotes it doesn't seem at all like management has decided to bring on AI.

[Ampsportsduo]

"Brown has won big in the past without a big-time scorer -- his Pistons teams earlier this decade didn't have a player averaging more than 19 points per game."

Read it, learn it, love it.

[Fred Williamson]

to put it in a nutshell, that's the stuff I'm telling you guys for weeks now.

[spectre]

It does make sense. Adding AI would go against everything LB has been teaching this team since he arrived in Charlotte.

And if we want an AI...why couldn't DJ be that? Is it not having the mentality, or is it that he's repressed that mentality under Brown?

[SirBobcat]

We have a decent squad built up. The future of the back court is shored up with Henderson and Augustin along with one of the NBA's most phenomenal athletes, Gerald Wallace, at SF. Moves have been made to free the team of a lot of cap room within a 2 year time frame.

With Diop, Diaw, Wallace, Henderson, Augustin, Ajinca, and future rookies under contract in the 2011/2012 season for around 30 million dollars, we're in a good situation to keep a solid core together while having the space to make moves that is needed.

[catsandheels]

true all we need is a go to guy and we will find the ANSAWER to all our problems if we cant just get that one ANSAWER we will be set for the playoffs.

[dav7z]

Sounds like Higgins is trying to put ten pounds of shit into a five pound bag to me.
Hes Bob Johnsons crowney. You don't see MJ trying to give us that line of bullshit. L Brown isn't kissing ass either . Im sure MJ or Larry Brown either one is very happy with Higgins or Johnson right about now. Johnson basicly lied to MJ about total basketball control.

How do you guys like Johnson and Higgins running the show. To me it really sucks MJ and Larry could have turned this all around . If i had known this i would have told Johnson to forget about me buying any more season passes .
Damn they to tight to even try to resign Felton or even offer AI just three million dollars.
I hope like hell he hurrys up and sells the team. Im sick of him messing up this organization.

[teej]

^Dav, Higgins is just MJ's politically correct tool. He was brought it because he had sucess in GSW, and was able to be good to MJ without being overbearing. MT has pretty much said that's a job requirement with anyone close to him...

[spectre]

Sounds like Higgins is trying to put ten pounds of shit into a five pound bag to me.

:hysterical:

I do think Teej is right about Higgins being MJ's crony...didn't he do the same for him in Washington (could be wrong).

I do feel safe in saying without a doubt that if things weren't going the way Larry Brown wants it to we would be hearing all about it in the media.

Until he bitches I'm fine with their decision either way because I'm going to assume it's what he wants.

ILBIT

[MattD]

true all we need is a go to guy and we will find the ANSAWER to all our problems if we cant just get that one ANSAWER we will be set for the playoffs.

did you mean to spell answer wrong or are you 4 years old?

and you misspelled it twice so dont call typo bullshit

[teej]

^Heh, his "player" thing is Dontell, that may explain it :p

[GoBobs]

Were we any better when we had J-Rich as our go to scorer?

[davcbow]

Were we any better when we had J-Rich as our go to scorer?

If you remember we scored more points but didnt play much defense....:cool:

[EvetsMorrison15]

The Full title of this thread is to read:

"Finding Go-To Scorer next step in Bobcats' Growth...and then trade him."

[teej]

If you remember we scored more points but didnt play much defense....:cool:

Nor did the coach help...

[jazzer89]

my 2cents on this topic (finding a go to scorer) is that in the next two years DJ needs to step up on all the aspects of scoring. Look PGs can be go to scorers as well as distributors. I think DJ can be a score first PG but still having a great passing ability. Lets look at his top strength, shooting the ball from long distance, he is great at that. Next would be is penetration ability, thats probably his second greatest weapon. Once the kid develops a sick mid range game ala Tony Parker he could break into a 20+ scorer. with about 8 assists a game.

I see it in him and i hope to god the FO and managment see it too. His main "weakness" is defense but once i think the speed of the game slows down for him (he was only a rookie)

i see greatness in him and really do hope felton is not here for a long time, its not fair to DJ of him. as a unc fan/student i really hope felton gets on a better team with far better talent. He deserves it with all his effort.

[EvetsMorrison15]

my 2cents on this topic (finding a go to scorer) is that in the next two years DJ needs to step up on all the aspects of scoring. Look PGs can be go to scorers as well as distributors. I think DJ can be a score first PG but still having a great passing ability. Lets look at his top strength, shooting the ball from long distance, he is great at that. Next would be is penetration ability, thats probably his second greatest weapon. Once the kid develops a sick mid range game ala Tony Parker he could break into a 20+ scorer. with about 8 assists a game.

I see it in him and i hope to god the FO and managment see it too. His main "weakness" is defense but once i think the speed of the game slows down for him (he was only a rookie)

i see greatness in him and really do hope felton is not here for a long time, its not fair to DJ of him. as a unc fan/student i really hope felton gets on a better team with far better talent. He deserves it with all his effort.

I agree. DJ should and will be a BIG part of our future. But the team has focused on winning now. They feel they have a shot to make the Playoffs...-_-

The FO doesn't want to build for the future anymore. If they did we would still have Ammo, Shannon Brown, Hollins, Herrmann, Davidson, DUDLEY, J-Rich, and Carroll. Now that I think about it, everyone that was traded in the past 2 seasons were FAN favorites.

We should stop cheering DJ and Wallace.

[teej]

The FO doesn't want to build for the future anymore. If they did we would still have Ammo, Shannon Brown, Hollins, Herrmann, Davidson, DUDLEY, J-Rich, and Carroll. Now that I think about it, everyone that was traded in the past 2 seasons were FAN favorites.

IDK about Shannon, and Ammo was hated by the time he was traded.

[EvetsMorrison15]

getting Larry Brown was a step to start winning now. If we had any other coach he would have stayed. But I understand what you're saying.

[Ghost Kat]

D.J. could easily grow into an A.I. type of scoring PG. Even though He's listed as a PG , Larry Brown used him mostly as a scorer. Felton wasn't going to do it...Not at PG or SG. I would really like A.I. to come to the Cat's if for no other reason then to teach D.J. how little people can score in the NBA for yrs.

[davcbow]

I think that LB was brought in to build a winner and he has done well so far. The thing holding him back this year is BJ wanting to sell the team, so the FO is walking gingerly as to what they will do and its screwing everything up....:cool:

[Dcarnys]

As soon as BJ's gone were good. Enough said.

[ziggy]

As soon as BJ's gone were good. Enough said.

( doing my best Amour217 imitation :biggrin:)
That's what she said.....

[teej]

But if BJ's are gone that's BAD!!! hahaha

[BETCATS]

Maybe Monta Ellis?

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/08/stephen-jacksons-new-home-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-991866



I, for one, hope this is true, simply to see Don Nelson and Mark Cuban back at the negotiating table after everything that’s gone down (http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/07/inside-the-cubannellie-relationship/) between them.

Nellie, who apparently loves Stephen Curry, is rumored to also want Monta Ellis shipped out of town alongside Jackson.

Of course, Nelson and the Warriors will somehow have to convince a team owner to take on $80 mil in salaries for both guys. That may be a tad steep for even someone like Mark Cuban these days.


:g:

[SirBobcat]

Ridiculously bad contract for an overrated player. No thanks!

[Dcarnys]

But if BJ's are gone that's BAD!!! hahaha

Yhea I kinda walked right into that one.

[SWedd523]

Ridiculously bad contract for an overrated player. No thanks!
You're nucking futs.

[SirBobcat]

You're nucking futs.

I'm Nuts? alright, then take his 11 million dollar a season contract for the next 5 years and see how wonderful it looks when you have a 11 million dollar point guard who barely passes the ball with that long of a contract. Yeah, no thanks.

[teej]

The "Nellie wants him out of GSW" clause applies to any player who has been on the team for half a year.

[SWedd523]

I'm Nuts? alright, then take his 11 million dollar a season contract for the next 5 years and see how wonderful it looks when you have a 11 million dollar point guard who barely passes the ball with that long of a contract. Yeah, no thanks.
Yes. You're nuts. He makes the same amount of money as Okafor and is much better. Less money than Chandler and is much better, a little more than Diaw and is much better.

Monta doesn't pass the ball because that's not what he's supposed to do. He's basically a younger Allen Iverson and is worth his money as opposed to a bunch of the guys who make similar money.

Felton will be had for about 7mil. You seriously wouldn't trade him and someone like Nazr or Diop for Monta and change?

[Scottley Crue]

Maybe Monta Ellis?

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/08/stephen-jacksons-new-home-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-991866



:g:

Well, if he wants Monta out of there, how much longer until he falls out of love with Curry? They're not carbon copies, but they're not that far apart from each other either. Well come to think of it, Curry hasn't drove a scooter over his foot, so he's got that going for him as far as Nellie's concerned.

[SirBobcat]

Yes. You're nuts. He makes the same amount of money as Okafor and is much better. Less money than Chandler and is much better, a little more than Diaw and is much better.

Monta doesn't pass the ball because that's not what he's supposed to do. He's basically a younger Allen Iverson and is worth his money as opposed to a bunch of the guys who make similar money.

Felton will be had for about 7mil. You seriously wouldn't trade him and someone like Nazr or Diop for Monta and change?

Tell me something...Are you obsessed with the ppg stat and that's it? Hell, Than Monta Ellis is awesome in your World. It doesn't bother you that you have a point guard who barely averages 3 assists a game!? The Point guard is supposed to be your decision maker on the court and you want a guy who averages slightly over 3 assists a game with similar turnover a game stats because he can put the ball in the hoop a little more than Felton?

To answer your question: I would not trade Felton and Nazr/Diop for Monta Ellis and change.

I don't want a point guard on my team who can't pass the ball worth a crap.

PS. At least Okafor (at his position) did what he was supposed to do minus the scoring...rebound and block shots. Ellis doesn't pass the ball, so he's a worthless PG.

[SWedd523]

"Finding Go-To Scorer Next Step in Bobcats' Growth"


He's not anymore of a PG than Allen Iverson is, regardless of the fact that he's listed as a PG. If you think people are going crazy over the possibility of signing AI then they'd be having wet dreams if we landed Monta

Monta has improved his game every year with the exception of last year due to his injury. He's a basketball player, not a PG. Just like Gerald Wallace isn't a SF. He's a basketball player. So for the sake of the argument, he'd be playing as our SG in the scorer role with Raja (now) and Bo (future) in the defensive role.


You can't deny the fact that we need a scorer. It's looking like our best bet is to throw ~3.5 million into an aged AI. Why not go after his younger, bigger, stronger version and trade away some dead weight in the process?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lvxqol

You wouldn't do that trade with Felton in the place of either Nazr or Radman?


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mtwar3

You wouldn't do that trade?

[SirBobcat]

"Finding Go-To Scorer Next Step in Bobcats' Growth"


He's not anymore of a PG than Allen Iverson is, regardless of the fact that he's listed as a PG. If you think people are going crazy over the possibility of signing AI then they'd be having wet dreams if we landed Monta

Monta has improved his game every year with the exception of last year due to his injury. He's a basketball player, not a PG. Just like Gerald Wallace isn't a SF. He's a basketball player. So for the sake of the argument, he'd be playing as our SG in the scorer role with Raja (now) and Bo (future) in the defensive role.


You can't deny the fact that we need a scorer. It's looking like our best bet is to throw ~3.5 million into an aged AI. Why not go after his younger, bigger, stronger version and trade away some dead weight in the process?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lvxqol

You wouldn't do that trade with Felton in the place of either Nazr or Radman?


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mtwar3

You wouldn't do that trade?

Let's break down what you said...

1) Iverson is a better scorer than Ellis. He also won't come with a very expensive contract for a long term like Ellis. We just drafted Gerald Henderson and bringing in Ellis would stunt the growth of Henderson (Who i'm sure is being viewed as a future starter). The wet dream with Iverson is that he's a better scorer and passer than Ellis. He's a better PG than Ellis, period.

2) Ok, Ellis improved his ppg...wonderful. Where's the development of the pass? Gerald Wallace IS a SF and not a SG.

3) Those trades are so unrealistic. Why are they going to trade Ellis for either one of those suggestions you make when they'd trade him to improve and let Curry play Ellis' spot? If you think those are realistic trades for both sides, then you are indeed the one who's nuts.

[teej]

SirBobcat - Remember, our offense isn't initiated by the PG anyways. Boris runs "the point" and distributes the ball. Thus, Monta could never have more than 5 assists and we'd be fine. Also, look at the offense he was in in GSW. He was told to shoot the ball, not pass.

I don't think he's the next AI, but he beats the hell out of AI now.

[SirBobcat]

SirBobcat - Remember, our offense isn't initiated by the PG anyways. Boris runs "the point" and distributes the ball. Thus, Monta could never have more than 5 assists and we'd be fine. Also, look at the offense he was in in GSW. He was told to shoot the ball, not pass.

I don't think he's the next AI, but he beats the hell out of AI now.

All I have to go by is what I saw in GSW. Definitely, there's a possibility that it's the system that's causing him to not be that way, but then there's also a possibility that he can't pass the ball and he's worthless.

What you said above might be true, but the fact is that Felton almost averages 7 assists a game (6.7) so he has some impact on the passing in the offense. That has to be accounted for in what you said.

[teej]

Yes, I understand that. But we also pass the ball TOO much. So if Monta could bump it up to 5 (not too hard) then I think we'd be fine. Also, he wasn't playing with guys who put it in the hoop, either.

[SirBobcat]

Ellis turns the ball over about as much as Felton when he doesn't have to pass the ball so much, so won't he increase Felton's turnover numbers if he came into the Bobcats system and was asked to handle the ball way more than in Golden State?

[SWedd523]

Let's break down what you said...

1) Iverson isn't better. Monta scored more points, pulled in more rebounds, more steals, more blocks, higher FG%, higher FT%, higher 3PT%, and played less minutes. But let's let the fact that he averaged 1 less assist a game prove that AI is better, period. Signing AI would also stunt Bo's growth. Again: Neither AI nor Monta is a true PG.

2) Read 1). Also, I don't really know why you think I'm saying Crash is a SG? The debate is him being a SF or PF when in reality he's neither.

3) I really don't see how the trades are unrealistic, but that's just my opinion. Curry isn't a great defender.. Felton is. They would be able to coexist very nicely--Felton also won a National Championship in a fast paced offense. They also need another true C and Nellie never turns down shooters (Radman). Diaw also had his best season playing in an uptempo game and would fit in very nicely in GS with his pass first mentality.

Felton and DJ coexisted nicely due to their playing styles. Monta and Bo could do the exact same at the SG position.

Trading Diaw isn't something I'm happy about. But I'd rather trade him then let Lexy and UPS rot on the bench.


Felton/DJ
Monta/Raja/Bo
Crash/Radman/UPS/Lexy
Wright/Turiaf/Lexy/UPS
Chandler/Diop/Turiaf


That looks good to me? But hey, I'm crazy....

[SWedd523]

Ellis turns the ball over about as much as Felton when he doesn't have to pass the ball so much, so won't he increase Felton's turnover numbers if he came into the Bobcats system and was asked to handle the ball way more than in Golden State?
That's definitely a possibility but it's really hard to tell either way. You have to look at it as how much they have the ball in their hands as opposed to how often they pass.

[teej]

Swedd - Trading Diaw would ruin the ball-movement if all we got is Monta. I would much rather have a proven commodity in Diaw than two unknowns and a journeyman.

However, your points are all very good, though I think you might overvalue Monta a little (but not to the point that SirBobcat undervalues him). Also, we all need to remember Nellie does plenty of stupid trades.

And SirBobcat, you don't think some time around a PG coach in LB would help Monta any?

[SirBobcat]

Let's break down what you said...

1) Iverson isn't better. Monta scored more points, pulled in more rebounds, more steals, more blocks, higher FG%, higher FT%, higher 3PT%, and played less minutes. But let's let the fact that he averaged 1 less assist a game prove that AI is better, period. Signing AI would also stunt Bo's growth. Again: Neither AI nor Monta is a true PG.

2) Read 1). Also, I don't really know why you think I'm saying Crash is a SG? The debate is him being a SF or PF when in reality he's neither.

3) I really don't see how the trades are unrealistic, but that's just my opinion. Curry isn't a great defender.. Felton is. They would be able to coexist very nicely--Felton also won a National Championship in a fast paced offense. They also need another true C and Nellie never turns down shooters (Radman). Diaw also had his best season playing in an uptempo game and would fit in very nicely in GS with his pass first mentality.

Felton and DJ coexisted nicely due to their playing styles. Monta and Bo could do the exact same at the SG position.

Trading Diaw isn't something I'm happy about. But I'd rather trade him then let Lexy and UPS rot on the bench.


Felton/DJ
Monta/Raja/Bo
Crash/Radman/UPS/Lexy
Wright/Turiaf/Lexy/UPS
Chandler/Diop/Turiaf


That looks good to me? But hey, I'm crazy....

Signing AI wouldn't stunt his growth because you know he isn't here for long term. AI would be here max 2 years...which is perfect timing for Henderson to start. Ellis is only 2 years older than Henderson and if you're paying him that much money, then you're starting him over Henderson...thus Henderson is set from the very beginning to be a backup in his time in Charlotte.

[teej]

Signing AI wouldn't stunt his growth because you know he isn't here for long term. AI would be here max 2 years...which is perfect timing for Henderson to start. Ellis is only 2 years older than Henderson and if you're paying him that much money, then you're starting him over Henderson...thus Henderson is set from the very beginning to be a backup in his time in Charlotte.

Which was what he was projected to be anyway?

[SirBobcat]

Swedd - Trading Diaw would ruin the ball-movement if all we got is Monta. I would much rather have a proven commodity in Diaw than two unknowns and a journeyman.

However, your points are all very good, though I think you might overvalue Monta a little (but not to the point that SirBobcat undervalues him). Also, we all need to remember Nellie does plenty of stupid trades.

And SirBobcat, you don't think some time around a PG coach in LB would help Monta any?

Maybe and maybe not. Some people are just lost causes. I'd rather stick to what we have and that's two Larry Brown drafted guys at PG or SG who he will not make moves to stunt their growth. Those are his hand picked guys to take over those spots, so no matter what view we have of Ellis...no way will he ever be a Bobcat, especially the contract.

[SirBobcat]

Which was what he was projected to be anyway?

No. You'd have to figure Larry drafted him to eventually be his starting SG in the future.

[SWedd523]

No. You'd have to figure Larry drafted him to eventually be his starting SG in the future.
Why? Did he draft UPS to eventually be the starting SF and Lexy to be the starting PF?


I love the fact that Ellis is ONLY 2 years older than Bo. That gives them plenty of time to grow and learn each others' games and become a truly formidable SG pairing. Raja is going to be gone. AI is just a stopgap. Why not bring in a bright young star and build with him and Bo as our SG's?

Felton/DJ works just fine
Monta/Bo would work just fine also


Those 4 have the potential to be a seriously great backcourt

[teej]

No. You'd have to figure Larry drafted him to eventually be his starting SG in the future.

No, I think he drafted based on need.

And cosign with Swedds post above.

[SWedd523]

No, I think he drafted based on need.

And cosign with Swedds post above.
I also agree that trading Boris isn't the best thing but I think the potential gain from Monta, Wright, and Turiaf outweighs that of Boris and Radman.

It's definitely a tough call though and I would be open to see other trade ideas with GS. Get your ass on the trade machine! :paddle:

[teej]

Get your ass on the trade machine! :paddle:

When I get my ass OFF my homework. Unless you'd like doing it for me?

[SWedd523]

When I get my ass OFF my homework. Unless you'd like doing it for me?
1 chapter of Latin
2 chapters of Logic
Finish reading The Alchemist for U101
and 2 chapters for Ethics.



Wanna trade? ;)

[teej]

1 chapter of Latin
2 chapters of Logic
Finish reading The Alchemist for U101
and 2 chapters for Ethics.



Wanna trade? ;)

Same work in Latin.
Making these kind of posts for IB Bio about a fictional history book on evolution using a teaching gorilla.
Read part of The Scarlet Letter.
One chapter of IB US History
Physics Lab intro

sure, I would.

[SWedd523]

Same work in Latin.
Making these kind of posts for IB Bio about a fictional history book on evolution using a teaching gorilla.
Read part of The Scarlet Letter.
One chapter of IB US History
Physics Lab intro

sure, I would.
Yawn.









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[teej]

Haha. I'll still trade.

[SirBobcat]

Why? Did he draft UPS to eventually be the starting SF and Lexy to be the starting PF?


I love the fact that Ellis is ONLY 2 years older than Bo. That gives them plenty of time to grow and learn each others' games and become a truly formidable SG pairing. Raja is going to be gone. AI is just a stopgap. Why not bring in a bright young star and build with him and Bo as our SG's?

Felton/DJ works just fine
Monta/Bo would work just fine also


Those 4 have the potential to be a seriously great backcourt

Wow that's where you took this? He didn't draft no damn 2nd rounder to be the starting SF and he moved up to get Alexis Ajinca because he's a good project that could boom or bust. You're reaching.

[spectre]

No, I think he drafted based on need.

And cosign with Swedds post above.

I think every pick LB has been involved with has been based on need.

*We drafted DJ when we had ONE PG signed.

*We drafted Henderson when we had ONE SG signed.

*We drafted Ajinca when we had NO PF signed (he wasn't the target, but oh well).

*We drafted Brown when we needed a wing (Vlad only SF backup). At best I think he could have been a "value" pick.

Also, none of those guys was picked before 9th...so why is anyone convinced we selected a future star when we couldn't even get that out of a 2nd/3rd/5th pick? Some of you guys are way too caught up on "the future". Everything about Larry Brown is NOW.

Depth.

Love to get Monta, but LB wouldn't play him as a PG...remember, he's the guy that made AI into a SG. I wouldn't want to move either PG in order to get him.

Boris by himself does not make up for a distributing PG. He is the "extra pass" in the paint, something we weren't getting out of Mek. He doesn't initiate the offense from the perimeter nor do we want our PF doing that. Until we get a guy who can pass well out of the post I think Boris has to stay.

[spectre]

Wow that's where you took this? He didn't draft no damn 2nd rounder to be the starting SF and he moved up to get Alexis Ajinca because he's a good project that could boom or bust. You're reaching.

Think about that...we had no PF on the roster, so why would LB trade a future 1st in order to get a project? Ajinca wasn't the target...but that was what was left.

Hell, by the time (or I should say "if") Ajinca is able to contribute LB will probably be on his way out.

[SCBobcat]

*We drafted Ajinca when we had NO PF signed (he wasn't the target, but oh well)

Let me say as an aside that if Hibbert was the target, I am really glad Indy was dumb enough to save us from that mistake. I would much rather take a chance on the french bean than watch Hibbert be a defensive version of Primoz Brezec (which is his absolute ceiling).

[spectre]

Let me say as an aside that if Hibbert was the target, I am really glad Indy was dumb enough to save us from that mistake. I would much rather take a chance on the french bean than watch Hibbert be a defensive version of Primoz Brezec (which is his absolute ceiling).

IMO that was the target.

[Scottley Crue]

IMO that was the target.
I agree. I believe he'd be playing the role that Diop plays now.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Let's break down what you said...

1) Iverson is a better scorer than Ellis. He also won't come with a very expensive contract for a long term like Ellis. We just drafted Gerald Henderson and bringing in Ellis would stunt the growth of Henderson (Who i'm sure is being viewed as a future starter). The wet dream with Iverson is that he's a better scorer and passer than Ellis. He's a better PG than Ellis, period.

2) Ok, Ellis improved his ppg...wonderful. Where's the development of the pass? Gerald Wallace IS a SF and not a SG.

3) Those trades are so unrealistic. Why are they going to trade Ellis for either one of those suggestions you make when they'd trade him to improve and let Curry play Ellis' spot? If you think those are realistic trades for both sides, then you are indeed the one who's nuts.I would not mind having Monta. As long as we don't give up too much. I also worry about any move we make hurting team chemistry. What is Monta's personality like? What kind of teammate is he known to be? Will he be a Larry Brown kind of player?

[Walt Cronkite]

Same work in Latin.
Making these kind of posts for IB Bio about a fictional history book on evolution using a teaching gorilla.
Read part of The Scarlet Letter.
One chapter of IB US History
Physics Lab intro

sure, I would.

Daniel Quinn's Ishmael?

[teej]

Daniel Quinn's Ishmael?

Yes...the most wretched, thought-provoking, personal belief bashing book I've ever read. And nothing if not downright weird.

[Walt Cronkite]

I loved it.