Who will be the most improved Bobcat

[GoBobs]

I am very tempted to go Alexis here but I think I am going with another player who has lots of room to improve, Diop. Last year he shot like in the 30's from the stripe nowhere to go but up from there. When he was with Dallas they told him never to shoot which is something LB has said he wants to change. Big guys always get more into the game if they score a few buckets. If we can get him to put the ball in the basket a little bit and improve his free throw % to about 60% he is going to be a great player for our system. He is more mobile than he gets credit for as a big man (remember the steal then breakaway dunk he had last year).

[SWedd523]

DJ.










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[Black]

Felton...assuming we sign him I think he is going to have a great year.

[Beekizzle]

It should be DJ. Can't wait to see the progression from Rook to 2nd year.

[catsandheels]

I think i might have to go with with ajinca or diop they both no they need to step up since we traded mek. Augustin will prob be in there to he will b a monster if he stays healthy

[Scottley Crue]

With LB being over in France, I wouldn't be surprised to see Diaw make a jump. If nothing else, LB could have spent his time over there chewing Diaw's ear off about being a bit more selfish on offense.

[teej]

I think that if we keep Felton, DJ won't have room to become the MIP. I'm gonna say it's TC, because this is his first true coach if I remember correctly.

[ziggy]

DJ

By January 1st, he will be starting and Ray will be our backup point guard.

[SirBobcat]

I'm going with Diaw.

[SWedd523]

DJ

By January 1st, he will be starting and Ray will be our backup point guard.
That's a big claim my man.

I spell vBookie....

[teej]

DJ

By January 1st, he will be starting and Ray will be our backup point guard.

In LB's system? Bro, I need some of that kushhhh.

[ziggy]

In LB's system? Bro, I need some of that kushhhh.

Yep, In LB's system. Inside of 2 months, DJ will have Ray in his rear view mirror.

[dav7z]

Yep, In LB's system. Inside of 2 months, DJ will have Ray in his rear view mirror.

If Felton signs long term DJ is a carer back up in Charlotte.
Though i agree DJ might be the better player long term if given starter mins.

[azfollower]

Gotta be Chandler. Larry gave up a huge piece of the organization to get him. I'm hopin he's ready for the role he's sure to have.

The only reason I made peace with Emeka leaving was cuz TC is the type of player Larry loves.

[Marvel]

TC........................... give me some of that reefa,no seriously thiough with Boris "too unselfish" Diaw on the court TC could be back to his double double ways,but hands down DJ............ no question:paddle:

[spectre]

Hmmm...improved, not best. Crash will be best and he will have improved, but I don't know if that is really what this thread is asking for.

Assuming we'll go status quo (no AI) I think Henderson might be the one. He strikes me as a good system player and someone who can take LB's teachings and make it work on the court. Not star worthy, but solid. A good contributor.

[Mustachio]

Ajinca. opening some eyes this year. this is his true rookie year, and i expect it to be a coming out party. already reports that hes bigger, been training with some of the NBA's best like Bosh... and Larry is in France. AA ALL DAY.

[Fred Williamson]

DJ.

IF we don't sign Iverson. Otherwise, I can't imagine he'll improve, because of the limited minutes.


Ajinca. opening some eyes this year. this is his true rookie year, and i expect it to be a coming out party. already reports that hes bigger, been training with some of the NBA's best like Bosh... and Larry is in France. AA ALL DAY.

source?

[SWedd523]

DJ.

IF we don't sign Iverson. Otherwise, I can't imagine he'll improve, because of the limited minutes.



source?
I don't have a link but I distinctly remember he was training with some highly-touted strength trainer during the offseason with Bosh and I think Josh Howard and some others.

[ammofan]

Alexis....even if he averages 5 ppg it is a major improvement lol.....or even 5 minutes pg for that matter lol

[davcbow]

I feel there are going to be 4 improved players, DJ, Nazr, Diop and Lexxy. To pick the most improved out of those 4 will be hard to do.

[teej]

If Lexy stays in Charlotte the whole season and plays half the games, he's the default MIP.

But I still think TC.

[ammofan]

If Lexy stays in Charlotte the whole season and plays half the games, he's the default MIP.

But I still think TC.

maybe Tys but we gotta have ai here for that to happen imo

[MrMelot]

I think that Felton will play his ass off in an attempt to show everyone that he's worth however much money he's asking for.

[EvetsMorrison15]

Larry will have traded the entire team by December.

Therefore this award won't go to anyone.

[ammofan]

Larry will have traded the entire team by December.

Therefore this award won't go to anyone.


haha may be true!

[EvetsMorrison15]

haha may be true!

Yeah, that's why I said it

[etothet]

I think that Felton will play his ass off in an attempt to show everyone that he's worth however much money he's asking for.
I agree. Raymond will emerge as an above average point guard as Larry Brown continues to mold him.

[dav7z]

I think that Felton will play his ass off in an attempt to show everyone that he's worth however much money he's asking for.


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I agree Felton is going to try and prove somthing this year. DJ all so is out to prove hes a starter, Nazz is out to show Brown hes better than the playing time he got last season, U P S has a chip on his shoulder . Hes going to show the NBA hes a much better player than a second round draft choice.
Chandler will want to prove the Hornets made a mistake trading him.
If AI comes he will want to prove to the world hes still a allstar.
Its hard to pick most of thease guys have somthing to prove.
Once again welcome and look foward to reading your post.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I think i might have to go with with ajinca or diop they both no they need to step up since we traded mek. Augustin will prob be in there to he will b a monster if he stays healthyAjinca sucks and will never be a good basketball player in the NBA.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Crash will have a break out season. Definitely my pick for MIP. Also the team MVP.

He will also be a starter in the All Star game.

[SWedd523]

Ajinca sucks and will never be a good basketball player in the NBA.
Beagle, clean up in aisle 4


Beagle. Clean up in aisle 4.




Thank you.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Beagle, clean up in aisle 4


Beagle. Clean up in aisle 4.




Thank you.I don't know about clean up but if anything should be cleaned it should be the Bobcats cleaning their roster of Ajinca. Lexi is less than a project player. He was a wasted choice and he will never be anything in the world of NBA basketball. His size and reach won't translate to success. LB should have used better judgement than this. Simply because he is a likable person does not mean he is going to be more than a waste of space on the Bobcats team.

If Ajinca is ever a solid contributor it won't be this season.

[davcbow]

I don't know about clean up but if anything should be cleaned it should be the Bobcats cleaning their roster of Ajinca. Lexi is less than a project player. He was a wasted choice and he will never be anything in the world of NBA basketball. His size and reach won't translate to success. LB should have used better judgement than this. Simply because he is a likable person does not mean he is going to be more than a waste of space on the Bobcats team.

If Ajinca is ever a solid contributor it won't be this season.

Ah the pessimist is back....:cool:
I hope Lexy proves himself this year...

[MrMelot]

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I agree Felton is going to try and prove somthing this year. DJ all so is out to prove hes a starter, Nazz is out to show Brown hes better than the playing time he got last season, U P S has a chip on his shoulder . Hes going to show the NBA hes a much better player than a second round draft choice.
Chandler will want to prove the Hornets made a mistake trading him.
If AI comes he will want to prove to the world hes still a allstar.
Its hard to pick most of thease guys have somthing to prove.
Once again welcome and look foward to reading your post.

Thank you for making me feel welcome. I've been following the Bobcats since they signed Felton and May (I'm a big UNC fan, as it seems the majority of folks here are) and have been lurking here pretty heavily for a long time. I decided to finally post something after reading the forum description which states, "Newbies welcomed. No lurking allowed. If you enjoy reading, don't be shy - please jump in and post."

Ya'll seem like a bunch of cool cats for the most part and I look forward to contributing to this excellent site.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Ah the pessimist is back....:cool:
I hope Lexy proves himself this year...davcbow, I don't know if I'm being a pessimist or just using rational critique. I just don't see Ajinca paying dividends. If he does it will be too late for me. I would rather have had a guy picked in Ajincas place that gave immediate contributions. As of now Lexi has not done much of anything. Neither in Summer League, NBDL or with the Bobcats.

Guys, I really hope my feelings regarding Lexi are wrong. I think he is a class act young man and I wish him and us with him nothing but the best. I just think a lot of times you make a mistake when you pick a guy based on intangibles rather than a player who's body of work seems to be a more likely fit.

I know that prospects do and have paid off. Still when there are better bets why take the long shot? Even if that long shot has the intangibles of a future star. A young team looking to win now rather than three to five years from now should not take a gamble.

I will hope for Lexi's success but I will have my doubts till Lexi earns some PT and makes a solid contribution.

[teej]

Guys, I really hope my feelings regarding Lexi are wrong. I think he is a class act young man and I wish him and us with him nothing but the best.

First, when we picked him it was basically as a '11 or '12 lottery pick. He won't be ready until then.

Second, if any criticism of him is valid, it's that he ISN'T as class act...he's immature in some ways. Like asking for more PT and whining when he didn't get it.

Lastly, you are a pessimist. But it's not a bad thing. I'm an optimist, so we need to balance out. :p

[dnbman]

I couldn't tell you. We've got a lot of guys with much higher ceilings than what they've been producing the last couple of seasons. Raja is the only one that I thing has played pretty close to his potential. Wallace would probably be second in that regards, though I think he could improve a lot simply by being more efficient attacking the basket, which good team play will help.

I'd probably rule out Nazr too based on his age and attitude toward the team. However, who knows? If he really worked that hard over the summer and remains very professional, which I think he will, I wouldn't be surprised if he got his game back on track.

I'm going to go ahead and be a homer and say Felton. I think he finally has legitimate players at every position and a variety of finishers and shooters to orchestrate. Combined with a full year of training with Brown and I think we'll see Felton finally take his game to the level it should be.

[GoBobs]

He is already better than Tabeet

[Ghost Kat]

In any system LB's or mine or NBA 2k9 DJ should be starting over Felton. All this talk about him not being tough enough to make it through a NBA season is nonsense. As I remember when DJ pulled that muscle LB or Jordan or someone took him to the same doc Shaq went to 4 the same injury. The Doc and FO sat him out longer then he probably would have sat if they didn't think so highly of him. He was their new superstar, They wanted him as heathly as possible. Not something that would pop back up 5 or 10 games later. Other then that he had minor injuries and was just being his body used to 82 NBA games.

He didn't have one of those rookie slides and he was forced to play with Felton as the SG. This year A.I. or Henderson is still a upgrade at SG over Felton. DJ by far will have the better year even as a back up now that we actually have a bench. I also think Derrick Brown will have a good year, Just don't know yet if he's a nba PF. I've never seen him play live.

[teej]

In any system LB's or mine or NBA 2k9 DJ should be starting over Felton.

WHAT??


This year A.I. or Henderson is still a upgrade at SG over Felton.

DOUBLE WHATTTTT?????

Dude...I know you like DJ. I know you hate Ray. But what the fuck??

[dav7z]

WHAT??



DOUBLE WHATTTTT?????

Dude...I know you like DJ. I know you hate Ray. But what the fuck??

What he said...

[ziggy]

I'm with CarolinaKat on this one.

Maybe I'm blinded by the beauty of 3 pointers effortlessly falling into the basket at a 44% clip ( top 10 in the NBA by the way ). But when I watch DJ play I see the future of the Bobcats point guard position... But maybe I'm blinded :rolleyes:

[Ghost Kat]

WHAT??



DOUBLE WHATTTTT?????

Dude...I know you like DJ. I know you hate Ray. But what the fuck??


With my best southern accent " Yea I said it". Now I don't hate Ray, But when I have to compare the two DJ is a much better player and has a higher upside especially with Larry Brown. DJ is Iverson but a real PG. Iverson meaning scoring potential. And Henderson at SG is a huge upgrade over Felton. Henderson is 6'5 , Felton is 6'0 maybe on a extra tall day 6'1. How is that not a upgrade? Isn't Henderson a defensive athlete?

DJ is just as fast on the break as Felton, shoots better, turns the ball over less, SHOOTS BETTER , IMO can pass just as well as Felton. How is Felton the future of this team. There's no reason to believe DJ won't get better. And if Felton get better DJ is still younger, has a better skill set, better contract and has already been marketed and invited to more things then Felton. DJ was up there for lotto night ,Interviewed folk at the playoffs was invited to play against Team USA, and I think he part of Team Jordan. I forget what has Felton done lately?

[ziggy]

More fuel for the DJ fire.

DJ's numbers last year as a starter (12 games)
17.8 ppg
5.6 apg
46.7 fg%
53.5 3pt%
1.1 spg


... just sayin'

[teej]

With my best southern accent " Yea I said it".
Since there's no denying it, let's break this down. Here goes...


Now I don't hate Ray, But when I have to compare the two DJ is a much better player and has a higher upside especially with Larry Brown. DJ is Iverson but a real PG. Iverson meaning scoring potential.

If I have to hear this all year...*breaks out my Robin Williams impression* "Oh dear Christ..."
I made that Iverson argument in a column. I think DJ is better suited to play the 2 guard like Iverson once he learns how to drive. I think LB sees him as mini-AI. And no way either DJ or AI is 6'0. Also, right now, DJ isn't better overall than Ray at all. Maybe he has higher potential, maybe not. They're two totally different players. But right now, the only things DJ has Ray on are his 3 pt shot and his FT's.


And Henderson at SG is a huge upgrade over Felton. Henderson is 6'5 , Felton is 6'0 maybe on a extra tall day 6'1. How is that not a upgrade? Isn't Henderson a defensive athlete?

Yeah, and so is Ray. Ray made Hollinger's Defensive Honerable Mention. There have been many short SG's, and if height was all that mattered then we'd just have a bunch of Manute Bol's playing guard. If you HONESTLY think Hendo as a rookie is an upgrade over a guy who at the 2 averaged better stats last year than at the point, then IDK what the hell to tell you.


DJ is just as fast on the break as Felton, shoots better, turns the ball over less, SHOOTS BETTER , IMO can pass just as well as Felton. How is Felton the future of this team. There's no reason to believe DJ won't get better. And if Felton get better DJ is still younger, has a better skill set, better contract and has already been marketed and invited to more things then Felton. DJ was up there for lotto night ,Interviewed folk at the playoffs was invited to play against Team USA, and I think he part of Team Jordan. I forget what has Felton done lately?

T/O's are not comparable considering Ray was trying to make a play much more than DJ, who was sheltered. I don't think DJ has a better skill set to pay POINT GUARD for Larry Brown, perhaps for D'Antoni, but not LB. When was the last time potential won championships? And how do we know DJ's contract is better? Ray hasn't signed one yet...

Yeah, I know Ray hasn't done much marketing, but right now, he isn't in a place to. DJ is because he's a rookie. Ray did stuff when he was a rookie too, ya know. And which one is on the cover of a video game?


More fuel for the DJ fire.

DJ's numbers last year as a starter (12 games)
17.8 ppg
5.6 apg
46.7 fg%
53.5 3pt%
1.1 spg


... just sayin'

Wayyyyy too small a sample size. Don't even.

For the record, I think a Ray-DJ-Crash-3d-TC lineup would win the title with a deep bench. Call me a homer (that's you Swedd) but I really do, in about 2-3 years.

[dav7z]

Both players bring different things to the table.
DJ reminds me of BK with a better shot and a little less handle. His limitations are defending thought hes not bad his size kills him in that respect. He does show effort trying to stay in frunt of his man. He don't and never will take the ball to the hole like AI or have the ability to draw fouls like AI . Its not even a fair comparison for DJ.
Felton by far is a better defender mostly because of his bulk , strenth , and euual if not better quickness. Felton is better right now at getting into the offence . Granted he wasn't til last year under Brown . D J may by pass him in that area in the up coming year.
I think Felton devoloped a better pull up short jumper than DJ has at this time. Though DJ has a much better over all stroke , With far better 3pt form. When open.
DJ can't create for himself as well as Felts due to lack of strenth , size , and just equal speed . So Felton has the upper hand in creating,.
Both finds the open man about equal.

A back court of Felton and AI is stronger than a back court of DJ and AI because of defencive liabilitys.
Bell with either would work, though both wings would be stronger with Felton all so. Pentration would be much harder with Bell amd Felton toghter.
DJ and Felton back court couldn.t stop peneatration because of a lack of strenth and size.

DJ will need a big two guard and a better shot blocker and defender in the middle [Chandler] address this.

If DJ could get into the offence a little quicker this year . And become a little more physical . Its possable he could take over the starting role at point this year. But very unlikely.

[ziggy]

Wayyyyy too small a sample size. Don't even.


Admittedly 12 games isn't the best sample size, but I do think that it is enough to be relevant. It gives you an idea of what kind of numbers he could have put up with minutes comparable to Ray's.

If he were to get those type of minutes along with the improvement that many players make from their rookie to 2nd season, then I think Ray's numbers of 14.2ppg and 6.7apg would be the absolute floor for DJ.