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dav7z
10-11-2009, 09:21 AM
Hes understanding what he needs t o do now?
Im seeing a very confident Wallace , Felton , and even a slight swagger from Brown about this years team and Lexy

http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=491

Your thoughts on the video

ALong13
10-11-2009, 09:39 AM
I think Lexy if given the time and the shots could be an 8 ppg off the bench, doesn't sound like until you consider thats about 8 more ppg than we got from him last year. He is light years ahead of where he was last year. I was an Ajinca fan when we drafted him, and I still am now. I went back today and was reading some of the post from when we did draft him and it was quite humourous some of the things being said. I do believe Ajinca will be the first PF off the bench, I think thats what he should play...right now he's like a smaller younger version of Chandler...I think the kid has potential to be very good, and I hope the Bobcats pick up his option very soon.

polarcat
10-11-2009, 09:42 AM
at first, i was nervous when lb glossed over lexy and only talked about anderson and jefferson looking good, but not the frenchy. i was thinking, "oh shit, lexy is in brown's doghouse and even a great game like last night isn't going to help." then coach came back and gave him his praise and all is well. worst thing is to be on browns bad side and young. i think lexy and brown will be a solid bench group to spell boris this season and we are shaping up good. i do think with actual playing time this year, ajinca is going to round his game off. he won't be stellar, but at 21, he's got another year or so to prove he's nba-worthy. everyone is ready to deem him a bust, but as long as he keeps paying attention to brown and the vets, plus hitting the weight room, his best days are ahead. the kid is going to have highs and lows, we need to be patient. he is young, european (french at that), a different style of play at 7'' and that wingspan.

ALong13
10-11-2009, 09:46 AM
I don't consider Ajinca a bust at all, just a project. One of the pictures showed Diaw talking and pointing out things to Ajinca. I want Chandler to do the same as well. I love how the players are taking him underneath their wings to teach him....Also Ajinca made it in the top 5 with his alley...

Former Bobcats Dudley & Richardson made #1....

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/top_plays/2009/10/10/20091010_top10.nba/

GoBobs
10-11-2009, 10:13 AM
He looks like TC on that finish. Ajinca Has a lot going for him. From looking at the training camp pictures he is the tallest guy on the team. I bet if TC and Lexy stood back to back Lex would have him by an inch or two.

Right now he plays like a rookie and having him out there we are going to have to live with some mistakes. That being said he makes an impact and there are nights he is going to be able to give us maybe 15 pts in 20 min or so.

When he comes in the game he is looking to prove he can score. That type of aggressiveness can be an advantage. Last year he seemed to shoot a lot of turn around fade away shots from the post and long jumpers. Even though he didn't shoot a great % he was taking hard shots that were totally undefendable. A guy that tall taking a hook shot is also impossible to defend so this is a player who could be totally unstoppable when he refines the details of his game.

I think the thing he needs to continue to work most on is his fitness level. Tall guys get tired quick and I don't think there is any way he could play 40 min a night. He also needs to keep his hands up more on D so he is in a better position to make plays. That takes a ton of energy when your arms are a mile long.

polarcat
10-11-2009, 10:37 AM
what i also like about ajinca is his ft shooting. if he can utilize his mismatch against most defenders and go strong to the rim, he will see a lot of time from the charity strike. his stroke is so natural and spot on for a guy of his size that if he can get to the line 7-10 times a game, he has the ability to get in the 12-15 pt range off the bench.

BRNC
10-11-2009, 10:48 AM
He's still a project that I hope (because we need him) starts making a positive impact...and I also realize he is young...if he keeps progressing that is what I want to see...

Ghost Kat
10-11-2009, 01:09 PM
Ajinca is already better then Sean May in my book

ND22
10-11-2009, 02:08 PM
Ajinca is already better then Sean May in my book

Agreed, and not only that he's playing better than Radman.

GeraldWalrus
10-11-2009, 02:42 PM
Agreed, and not only that he's playing better than Radman.

But I don't know if that's a fair comparison. Radman is a PF by height only, his style is more of a 3. He had a very good first quarter against NO, which I think was because West is a bit undersized for the PF.

All things considered though, I think Lexy might be alright. The past 2 games he has done pretty well. I think right now he is under careful watch because of the fact that Boris and Chandler aren't playing minutes right now, but once they come back he will look solid backing up Boris. A 7 something dude with a big wingspan who is aggressive could be what we need at the PF. If he can develop into more of a banger, he'll be perfect.

dav7z
10-11-2009, 02:47 PM
Agreed, and not only that he's playing better than Radman.

Agreeded he should start over Radman . If for nothing else his lynth on defence.

This is the five i want to see on the floor toghter

1. Felton ,,,,,,,,,, DJ
2. Diew ,,,,,,,,,,, Bell
3, Wallace,,,,,,,,, Brown
4, Lexy,,,,,,,,,,,,, Radman
5, TC,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Nazz

What we will see
1, Felton,,,,,,DJ
2, Bell,,,,,,,,, Flip
3,Wallace.... Radman
4, Diew,,,,,,, Lexy, Graham might get a lot of time hear
5,TC.,,,,,,,,, Nazz , Diop split time trying to make Brown happy

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
10-11-2009, 03:33 PM
is too early to tell, sean may probably could have had a few games posting numbers like lexy's output yesterday.

we'll see, i'm still not buying that lexy has turned it around, im expecting a lot more bad games than good games for the first half of the season

teej
10-11-2009, 06:14 PM
That grin on Gerald's face told it all as far as where we're going once everyone is healthy...And I'm going to start a new thread on some matchups we can use Lexy in.

TheDorkLord
10-11-2009, 08:51 PM
I wasn't very thrilled with either of our picks when we got DJ and Lexy. Last year I started feeling much better about DJ, maybe this year I can start to have some of those same feelings about Lexy. He is still a project, but he has a soft touch for a big man and has a great reach.

catsandheels
10-11-2009, 10:27 PM
I think lexy has great potential with us. Ill be pissed if we dont bring him back next year. He is still young i think he is 20. He is in his 2nd season. In my opinion i think he has Some time to improve. I hope he can get some minutes in the nba this year. I think if we could get him a big man coach like nagic and patrick ewing then we would see some improvment.

teej
10-11-2009, 10:41 PM
I think if we could get him a big man coach like nagic and patrick ewing then we would see some improvment.

We have LaSalle Thompson, who was a longtime power foward. Nicknamed Tank. He was Lexy's personal coach last year in the D-League.

Ghost Kat
10-11-2009, 11:17 PM
I liked Ajinca's face up moves. He still looks to lil to back anyone down and he gets knocked around under the basket. But the simple fact that he doesn't seem as lost as he did last year means he'll have a productive year.

GoBobs
10-12-2009, 08:27 AM
I could see the possibility of this being our best rotation at the end of the season.

Felton/DJ
Bell/Hendo
Wallace/Brown
Diaw/Wallace
Chandler/Ajinca/Diop

Trade naz and vald for cap room and use Diop as a specialist to play big bangers until Lexy is a little older

Ghost Kat
10-12-2009, 11:31 AM
After watching that last game against the Cav's I will finally agree Ajinca has no business at C. He is still a string bean. If he plays it needs to be at PF. All these crazy match ups and line ups ya'll are coming up with only work on video games.

GoBobs
10-12-2009, 02:11 PM
TC doesn't have any more meat on his bones then Lexy. I just think our best lineups are going to be playing small ball and he is going to see time at the 5 like he did the other night

docend24
10-12-2009, 06:43 PM
Either way
Augustin - Henderson/Murray - Radmanovic/Brown - Ajinça - Mohammed*
is pretty strong second unit capable of causing soem damage even without any starter in the mix.

*with his preseason play I think he surpassed Diop at our center hierachy for now

Ghost Kat
10-14-2009, 01:03 PM
Either way
Augustin - Henderson/Murray - Radmanovic/Brown - Ajinça - Mohammed*
is pretty strong second unit capable of causing soem damage even without any starter in the mix.

*with his preseason play I think he surpassed Diop at our center hierachy for now

I'll agree Lexy has played better then Nazr overall just not at the center spot. To me he looks like a high school Kevin Garrnett....not in skill just in size and shape....Skill...maybe oneday with some bobcat luck

dav7z
10-14-2009, 01:25 PM
I'll agree Lexy has played better then Nazr overall just not at the center spot. To me he looks like a high school Kevin Garrnett....not in skill just in size and shape....Skill...maybe oneday with some bobcat luck

He reminds me of a unpolished KG, He has enough up side to say he might some day have that skill. He has more lynth as much size , has as nice a jumper as KG in his young day . Where hes lacking is basketball IQ Brown has done wonders in one season . If the kid gets regular court time under Brown he could be special; Only if Brown only can stand him long enough to give him 10 mins of burn a game . The kid could be good. By next season we could big time benefits.

BigE
10-14-2009, 02:46 PM
I can't believe you guys are comparing Ajinca to Kevin Garnett, that's an insult to KG in my opinion.

dav7z
10-14-2009, 04:03 PM
I can't believe you guys are comparing Ajinca to Kevin Garnett, that's an insult to KG in my opinion.

You talking a 20 year old kid. A up coming junior in college. Having the abilitys and living up to them is two different things. He has a low BBIQ and some what of a attitude.
But if Brown can get get the kid to buy into his system . Then he could be comparable to KG. I can see why Brown feel in love with the kid and said he would be the 1st pick in this years draft. I can't faught Brown for taking a chance on him . Its all up to the kid now.
No one can say the kid don't have all the tools to be real good.

BigE
10-14-2009, 04:10 PM
Sorry but I just don't see the talent in him that you guys see, he's just another scrub IMO.

The only thing that he has in common with Kevin Garnett is that they're both tall and skinny.

dav7z
10-14-2009, 05:34 PM
Sorry but I just don't see the talent in him that you guys see, he's just another scrub IMO.

The only thing that he has in common with Kevin Garnett is that they're both tall and skinny.

Look at Lexy as a rookie like Hendo and Brown, Basicly thats the way Brown drafted him as a 1st round pick this year.

Do you actually see UPS and Hendo that much better than him . Enough to say hes a scrub. No hes not in KGs class or even close now but i do see the raw talent thair.
You see no talent??

teej
10-14-2009, 05:37 PM
When KG first came into the league, he was just a pole. But after working his ass off, he's become one of the best players ever. Lexy is taller than KG, has a better low post offensive game, and with some time with LB, could become as good a player.

BigE, he has the potential. Right now, he's a solid backup. But he's younger than Thabeet I think, and has more potential IMO.

BigE
10-14-2009, 06:29 PM
When KG first came into the league, he was just a pole. But after working his ass off, he's become one of the best players ever. Lexy is taller than KG, has a better low post offensive game, and with some time with LB, could become as good a player.

BigE, he has the potential. Right now, he's a solid backup. But he's younger than Thabeet I think, and has more potential IMO.

If he has more potential then why didn't I hear about him before last years draft? When we drafted him I was like "wait who?" because I never heard of him before that. Oh and dav7z, yes I do think Henderson and Brown will be better than Ajinca because atleast they understand how to play by NBA rules and not foul every 5 seconds. I'm not trying to bash your opinions about the guy I'm just saying I disagree with them completely, he's just a scrub IMO.

dnbman
10-14-2009, 06:41 PM
I do think Henderson and Brown will be better than Ajinca because atleast they understand how to play by NBA rules and not foul every 5 seconds..

Ajinca is going to have to play without fouling, but I think a lot of that is just his size. I mean, the guy turns around and that chicken wing can hit 4-5 guys on the court. Once he gets used to the rules and where his arms are relative to other people (which sounds dumb, but, remember, the guy has only been his full height for a few years), I think he'll be o.k.

teej
10-14-2009, 07:25 PM
If he has more potential then why didn't I hear about him before last years draft? When we drafted him I was like "wait who?" because I never heard of him before that.

How many people heard of KG before the draft process his senior year of hs? I'd say about the same amount as Lexy. And Kobe, too. Lexy played overseas, and wasn't developed. But those who needed to know about him, oh they knew.

G-Force for MVP
10-14-2009, 08:12 PM
lexy isnt up to kg standards yet but just give him time and he is going to be a force

Marvel
10-15-2009, 04:52 AM
Oh shit Ajinca comparison to KG that's the joke of the day,week,month.........decade...not in a million gazillion years:facepalm:

mathbzh
10-15-2009, 06:01 AM
If he has more potential then why didn't I hear about him before last years draft? When we drafted him I was like "wait who?" because I never heard of him before that.

This is probably because he was in France. Here in Europe, Ajinça is considered to have NBA potential since 2005.
At some point he was considered the player of his generation, including Batum, with the most upside but also some big question mark (starting with his skinny frame). In the French young teams he has never been the best big (Vaty and Moerman, two 6'9 bigs, were) but he was considered the best prospect... and is the one in the NBA.

The start of his Pro career was slow for several reason:
- He was extremely skinny and had to play against grown men.
- He had to change his game. He started his pro career has a perimeter shooter (and not a great one IMO) and a shotblocker. If I remember it correctly, at some point his coach in toulon forbid him to shoot 3s.
- In France, teams play in a 16 teams league with a promotion/demotion system. This means every team has something to play for (The title, a playoff ticket, keep a spot in the division). As a consequence, young player does not receive much playing time in the french league until they are ready (would the Sonics have given the keys to Durant right after they drafted him if they had to save there spot in the NBA?).

For all these reason, Alexis did not play much in the french "Pro A". Despite that he had a couple of intriguing performance. Strong enough to catch the attention of a lot of scouts but not enough to receive much hype.

A long post (sorry) to say that Lexy's potential and weaknesses are well documented for a long time.


I don't believe he will ever be close to reach Garnett's level. But KG is probably the type of player he should try to become.

docend24
10-15-2009, 06:50 AM
I'll agree Lexy has played better then Nazr overall just not at the center spot. To me he looks like a high school Kevin Garrnett....not in skill just in size and shape....Skill...maybe oneday with some bobcat luck

:blowup: Yup, and that's why he has number 21 on his uni. Taller Kevin Garnaett minus idiotness is the best scenario. Was discussed before and hopefully there will be enough signs to discuss that more often;)

docend24
10-15-2009, 07:00 AM
If he has more potential then why didn't I hear about him before last years draft? When we drafted him I was like "wait who?" because I never heard of him before that. Oh and dav7z, yes I do think Henderson and Brown will be better than Ajinca because atleast they understand how to play by NBA rules and not foul every 5 seconds. I'm not trying to bash your opinions about the guy I'm just saying I disagree with them completely, he's just a scrub IMO.
Sorry, but that's actually not Lexy's problem and fault :biggrin:
Everyone is fouling every 5 seconds with the new refs (Lexy just used to be more prone to that - but he is at least not that into fouling as Hollins used to be I think)
He was projected on many mock drafts at least year before. I heard of him long months/couple of years before and dont misunderstand me, despite I'm european I couln't care less about euro basket most of the time. He played in some U-"insert age" international tournaments (against Beasley for example - they lost to his team when it was really their game to lose after 3 quarters). Not that I was impressed by him by that time, but I noticed he exists. I became a fan after his workout for us and seeing his youtube footage (workouts mainly). He is high reward type of gamble.

bing!
10-15-2009, 07:08 AM
He is high reward type of gamble.

Yeah, a type of gamble that usually results in someone's knees being bashed in. > :paddle: <

:biggrin:

docend24
10-15-2009, 07:24 AM
Yeah, a type of gamble that usually results in someone's knees being bashed in. > :paddle: <

:biggrin:

i feel safe, I'm not the Front Office

BETCATS
10-19-2009, 04:27 PM
:D @ thinking Alexis is anywhere near what KG was in high school. He is more like a 5th grade version of KG right now. When KG was in high school, he was already physically mature and had a great understanding of the game. Alexis still doesnt have much of either of those. He has a lot of delevoping to do before he is anywhere near what KG was in high school. Also he will never have the heart or mental instablitly that makes KG who he is, for better or worse it is not their.

In about 2-4 years we will all see that Alexis is either showing strong signs of becoming a star/decent rotation player or dropping out of the league. Only time will tell which will happen, and only hindsight will show if he was a good pick or not.

SWedd523
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
:D @ thinking Alexis is anywhere near what KG was in high school. He is more like a 5th grade version of KG right now. When KG was in high school, he was already physically mature and had a great understanding of the game. Alexis still doesnt have much of either of those. He has a lot of delevoping to do before he is anywhere near what KG was in high school. Also he will never have the heart or mental instablitly that makes KG who he is, for better or worse it is not their.

In about 2-4 years we will all see that Alexis is either showing strong signs of becoming a star/decent rotation player or dropping out of the league. Only time will tell which will happen, and only hindsight will show if he was a good pick or not.
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That's him in High School. I'd say athletically, the two are actually much closer than people give Lexy credit for. The part you ARE right about is Lexy possibly not having the mental capacity/heart to take the skills and make something of it... We still have time to wait though, so let's stick it out a little longer

Ghost Kat
10-20-2009, 02:26 AM
I can't believe you guys are comparing Ajinca to Kevin Garnett, that's an insult to KG in my opinion.

No, No, No thats not what i said. Even though that point was defended very well by everyone. I said he looks like KG in size and shape. I honestly don't think Lexy will turn into the beast KG is. They have two different playing styes, But Ajinca has ever chance to turn into a blend of KG and Duncan. But I am standing on the roof of the Pepe Le Pew Bandwagon so I'm bias

BigE
10-20-2009, 02:22 PM
Okay guys, you make some good points but maybe it just the fact that he's french and I don't like anything french... not even french fries!

ohara831
10-20-2009, 02:25 PM
Okay guys, you make some good points but maybe it just the fact that he's french and I don't like anything french... not even french fries!

Well, if you dont like french kissing your lady, I'll give you this one piece of advise - she'll find someone who will! Get to liking it - and pronto.

teej
10-20-2009, 04:47 PM
Well, if you dont like french kissing your lady, I'll give you this one piece of advise - she'll find someone who will! Get to liking it - and pronto.

:biggrin:

And BigE, have you seen that commercial where "everything is better French"? French maids, french toast, the aforemention French kiss...I think it was a Hardee's commercial.

Ghost Kat
10-21-2009, 11:11 AM
:biggrin:

And BigE, have you seen that commercial where "everything is better French"? French maids, french toast, the aforemention French kiss...I think it was a Hardee's commercial.

Have to say I like all these things and french fries too aka freedom fries....