View Full Version : Who gets cut?
GoBobs
10-12-2009, 08:40 AM
I think we have to cut one. Last game Antonio Anderson looked good in his limited time as did Jefferson. Both those guys seem to be LB type players.
Felton/DJ/Jefferson
Bell/Hendo/Flip/graham/Anderson
that is more guards then we have minutes for sure even if graham doesn't play the two at all
SWedd523
10-12-2009, 10:32 AM
I think Anderson is the first to get cut, Jefferson not far behind him if Murray can figure out how to get the ball IN the rim
Black
10-12-2009, 10:46 AM
i agree that AA will be first to go, then its a toss up between Graham and Jefferson
i agree that AA will be first to go, then its a toss up between Graham and Jefferson
I think Graham is pretty much safe, Larry Brown loves the guy too much to let him go.
Its probably Anderson, and I don't see Graham getting cut if LB has called him this team's "George Lynch". That's about as big a compliment as you can get from LB.
Its probably Anderson, and I don't see Graham getting cut if LB has called him this team's "George Lynch". That's about as big a compliment as you can get from LB.
Agreed, I think it's pretty much a toss up between Anderson and Jefferson.
Ghost Kat
10-12-2009, 11:33 AM
Antonio Anderson
Who?
:shrug:
Jefferson and Anderson have to go. We have way to many guards and swingmen. Not even bigs and bangers.
LiquidWayno
10-12-2009, 04:19 PM
Like what I see from Anderson, but he's gonna go. If the Bobcats are going to pick up another PF, I could see Dontell being included as part of the trade or simply waived to make space for a new PF.
My dream trade at the moment: Diop & Dontell Jefferson too Houston for Carl Landry and Chuck Hayes...pretty sure it's not gonna happen.
I know Cleveland is looking for a big guard since who knows what is going to happen with Delonte West...I would be fine with trading Jefferson for Jawad Williams to have an insurance PF, nothing to do with the UNC connection for me, I wouldn't see him playing that much anyway.
I like us as the guards, If we could move Diop and get a PF I would have few complaints about our roster
davcbow
10-12-2009, 04:38 PM
I see Jefferson gone... he has the worst overall rating during preseason so far..
If we want an open spot on the roster; I don't see us dropping Diop, Bell, or Radman, so I see Anderson being expendable but feel he could be picked up by another team. Jefferson needs to go back to the D-League. Diop, Bell, and Radman all 3 need to get it going or LB gonna get them going his way.. ..:cool:
Like what I see from Anderson, but he's gonna go. If the Bobcats are going to pick up another PF, I could see Dontell being included as part of the trade or simply waived to make space for a new PF.
My dream trade at the moment: Diop & Dontell Jefferson too Houston for Carl Landry and Chuck Hayes...pretty sure it's not gonna happen.
I know Cleveland is looking for a big guard since who knows what is going to happen with Delonte West...I would be fine with trading Jefferson for Jawad Williams to have an insurance PF, nothing to do with the UNC connection for me, I wouldn't see him playing that much anyway.
I like us as the guards, If we could move Diop and get a PF I would have few complaints about our roster
I agree with you that we should try to trade Diop to get a better backup PF before the start of the season.
Diop just looks slow and he gives us nothing on offense which we can't have if we want to make the playoffs and make it past the 1st round.
LiquidWayno
10-12-2009, 04:57 PM
You are right about Diop - I can't think of any team except Houston that would go for him though in terms of needs/trade chips.
You are right about Diop - I can't think of any team except Houston that would go for him though in terms of needs/trade chips.
Yeah and I love the idea of trading for Carl Landry but sadly I don't see it happening.
docend24
10-12-2009, 06:36 PM
i agree that AA will be first to go, then its a toss up between Graham and Jefferson
Unless Sean May is somehow still eating place of our roster we have 15 players under contract after cutting one player (Antonio Anderson) with no need to cut anyone else for the sake of cutting. Unguaranteed contract is your friend. Although it is highly unprobable Larry wouldn't want to try someone during autumn like lasty year (Johnson, A. Brown) albeit it was forced by thin frontcourt last year. Then Dontell is probably the odd man out.
Right now, Anderson, but if Dontell doesn't get his act together I could easily see him gone.
catsandheels
10-12-2009, 07:01 PM
I think its funny how last month we wanted to keep diop and trade nazr now its the other way around haha
but anyways i think were going to cut both anderson and marshell.
I hope we can make a trade for a 4 involving diop
Muttley
10-12-2009, 10:05 PM
I think its funny how last month we wanted to keep diop and trade nazr now its the other way around haha
Not everyone. I know at least Teej and I were hoping to trade Diop. I was hoping to trade him before he actually got a chance to play and remind folks how awkward he was. Plus his contract is worse.
davcbow
10-12-2009, 10:51 PM
I think its funny how last month we wanted to keep diop and trade nazr now its the other way around haha
but anyways i think were going to cut both anderson and marshell.
I hope we can make a trade for a 4 involving diop
who is marshell?
If we bring in a PF I think Anderson and Jefferson are gone...and since Jefferson (correct me if I'm wrong) has a guaranteed contract, if he makes the roster, he is gone before preseason is finished regardless of PF situation...
Not everyone. I know at least Teej and I were hoping to trade Diop. I was hoping to trade him before he actually got a chance to play and remind folks how awkward he was. Plus his contract is worse.
Yeah, I've always preferred Nazzy to Diop. I even tried to make the arguement that Nazzy should start over Mek...:facepalm:
And BRNC, I can't even get an answer from Michael Thompson over whether or not Dontell's contract is guaranteed or not.
Teej...every place I've looked has a different answer about his contract status...I'm not sure our FO even knows...LOL
SirBobcat
10-13-2009, 02:54 PM
Like BRNC said, if another player is brought in, then Anderson and Jefferson are out. If the same team exists, then Anderson will be out and Jefferson will serve as the 3rd PG and have a pretty much permanent spot on the Reserve.
docend24
10-13-2009, 05:04 PM
Anyway it weould be interesting who will be inactive for games barring we won't have any injured palyer at the moment.
Raymond, DJ, Raja, Crash, Boris, Tyson, Gerald, Flip, Nazr, Vlad, Lexy, and Derrick or Gana? Even Graham could sneak into 12 men lineup.
SirBobcat
10-13-2009, 06:47 PM
If it's the current lineup minus Anderson, then I say it'll end up being: Lexy, Jefferson, and Mohammed. The decision on the final one will come down to Mohammed or Brown. With Mohammed being limited to C only, I think LB will go with Brown's ability to play PF and SF over Mohammed.
I think Diop will be inactive before Nassy....
If it's the current lineup minus Anderson, then I say it'll end up being: Lexy, Jefferson, and Mohammed. The decision on the final one will come down to Mohammed or Brown. With Mohammed being limited to C only, I think LB will go with Brown's ability to play PF and SF over Mohammed.
You seriously think Diop will be active over Nazzy??? WTF???
SirBobcat
10-13-2009, 07:34 PM
Diop is getting more minutes...minus the last game. Mohammed has looked solid, but LB did bring aboard Diop, so you have to think that Diop will get more opportunities than Mohammed.
Our opinions will differentiate, but the fact is that this is a good problem to have if you're Larry Brown. I think Larry will be more loyal to Diop and I feel Diop will get more tries to make it work than Mohammed. And out of the two, who was sitting at the sidelines most of the time last year?
LiquidWayno
10-13-2009, 07:37 PM
I read Diop talking about how LB wants him to contribute more on the offensive end...that won't last long, Nazr is light years ahead of him & has really earned minutes this year in my opinion.
SirBobcat
10-13-2009, 07:42 PM
I want to make clear that I would rather put the guy who's producing the most, but I'm just giving my honest opinion on what I think Larry Brown will think.
I want to make clear that I would rather put the guy who's producing the most, but I'm just giving my honest opinion on what I think Larry Brown will think.
LB already said multiple times he made a mistake in not playing Nazr more last year, and if you want to go by preseason minutes, Lexy will play more than Crash or Ray...
Preseason minutes are just that...preseason minutes...the guys (rookies in particular) that have to come off the bench have to be looked at closely...other guys need the playing time to see who stays and who goes...unlike other years we may actually cut a guy or two with talent...
SirBobcat
10-14-2009, 01:08 PM
LB already said multiple times he made a mistake in not playing Nazr more last year, and if you want to go by preseason minutes, Lexy will play more than Crash or Ray...
That is different circumstances and you know it. Ray and Crash are locked starters for the Bobcats, so why play them a lot? Diop and Mohammed is a battle for the backup center position and more than likely the loser will find himself on the reserve.
Diop and Mohammed is a battle for the backup center position and more than likely the loser will find himself on the reserve.
True, and one of them has worked a lot harder for it than the other. Just ask the guy who is independently paid to follow the team. He just wrote that Diop still looks lost, even after a summer and a training camp. And I went back and looked at the minute distribution, here are the numbers.
Nazzy is averagivng about 18 mpg, Diop about 19 mpg...that's pretty equal. And in that, Nazzy has averaged 6pts, 5.5 rbds, and 3.25 fouls. Diop has averaged 0.5 pts, 2.75 rbds, and 2.75 fouls. And Nazzy was playing the better center while racking up those better stats. If you still have any questions, then :facepalm:
SirBobcat
10-15-2009, 03:03 AM
True, and one of them has worked a lot harder for it than the other. Just ask the guy who is independently paid to follow the team. He just wrote that Diop still looks lost, even after a summer and a training camp. And I went back and looked at the minute distribution, here are the numbers.
Nazzy is averagivng about 18 mpg, Diop about 19 mpg...that's pretty equal. And in that, Nazzy has averaged 6pts, 5.5 rbds, and 3.25 fouls. Diop has averaged 0.5 pts, 2.75 rbds, and 2.75 fouls. And Nazzy was playing the better center while racking up those better stats. If you still have any questions, then :facepalm:
Here's where you didn't get the whole reason for my post. You can go above and see where I said I would play the person who's producing the most...which common sense says Mohammed, but we're not talking about who YOU AND I THINK will be the reserves, but rather what I think LARRY BROWN will decide the reserves will be.
It is very simple to figure out that Larry will give more opportunities to a guy that he personally brought in than a guy he inherited. I might very well end up being wrong, but I always figured Larry Brown to be a loyalist and stick to his guns with guys he brings in personally.
My whole argument has Nothing to do with what I value each player. It is very damn obvious that Mohammed is playing Better than Diop, but the question is who will end up being the reserves, which is out of all of our hands except for Larry Brown.
My hunch is that LB will stay loyal and hope Diop develops the offensive game, but still believes that his defense will provide a better opportunity to win games over Mohammed. Even with Mohammed producing better numbers in the first string, i'm figuring he's going to still stick with Diop.
If you want to keep on implying that i'm saying Diop is better than Mohammed, then :facepalm:
spectre
10-15-2009, 07:42 AM
I don't think LB is that loyal though. He's quick to call out/bitch at the guys who he thinks isn't living up to his expectations regardless of who brought them in. He's steadily on DJ about his defense and on Ajinca/Diop for not setting the perfect pick. Both of those are very important to LB and I doubt he'll give significant burn to any player who can't live up to his expectations.
Remember from LB's past history; he's quick to fall in love and just as quick to fall out.
SirBobcat
10-15-2009, 09:25 AM
Remember from LB's past history; he's quick to fall in love and just as quick to fall out.
This is also true. The question that none of us know is: has he lost the love for Diop yet? If he's still in love with the guy, then it won't matter what Nazr does. I'd love to see Nazr make it...he's producing better and it shows that he busted his ass in the offseason.
I think when a coach admits (LB about his use of Nazr last year) that he has handled a guy incorrectly then any "loyalty" concerning another player can be thrown out the window...he knows he tried to force a situation with a player (Diop) that is simply not that good of a player...and I also think LB is aware that he has gotten (players) that he has asked for and is now expected to produce...I for one think we'll see the best players starting and playing in rotation...
If you want to keep on implying that i'm saying Diop is better than Mohammed, then :facepalm:
Your main evidence for this is that LB is loyal (:g:) and that Diop had gotten a lot more pt than Nazzy in the preseason. I pointed out that Nazzy and Diop were getting about equal minutes, and like BRNC said, anytime a coach admits he's wrong, then there's a major change going on. Not even Rod Marinelli admitted he messed up with his 0-16 Lions last year. Gana has given lackluster effort since arriving here (I won't go into how bad it was before then) and Nazzy has worked his ass off. LB likes effort and someone who wants it more. And right now, since Nazzy is the better player, I would be shocked, dumbfounded, and a whole lot more if Diop even sniffs the number of minutes Nazzy gets in the regular season.
davcbow
10-15-2009, 10:37 PM
Your main evidence for this is that LB is loyal (:g:) and that Diop had gotten a lot more pt than Nazzy in the preseason. I pointed out that Nazzy and Diop were getting about equal minutes, and like BRNC said, anytime a coach admits he's wrong, then there's a major change going on. Not even Rod Marinelli admitted he messed up with his 0-16 Lions last year. Gana has given lackluster effort since arriving here (I won't go into how bad it was before then) and Nazzy has worked his ass off. LB likes effort and someone who wants it more. And right now, since Nazzy is the better player, I would be shocked, dumbfounded, and a whole lot more if Diop even sniffs the number of minutes Nazzy gets in the regular season.
On my grading scale I do every game I have Nazzy at a 9.5 per game and Diop is a 1.... Nazzy is by far the better of the 2....:cool:
GoBobs
10-15-2009, 11:26 PM
it is obvious that Diop has lost quite a bit of weight. LB said he is 100% better then last year when he came in out of shape from Dallas but he needs to get 100% better again from here. One of the main things with Diop though is his ability to defend strong big men. Look at the job Kendrik Perkins did in the Orlando series last year. Diop has a better chance of being able to do that because he is just bigger, of course if howard ever learns to face up and head fake or a post move they are all screwed. He is also a lot younger than naz so he may fit more with what LB sees as our long term plans. I like Diop I just wish he would stop moving in slow motion.
On my grading scale I do every game I have Nazzy at a 9.5 per game and Diop is a 1.... Nazzy is by far the better of the 2....:cool:
I couldn't agree more, Diop should be traded for a backup PF as soon as possible IMO.
davcbow
10-16-2009, 11:58 PM
I couldn't agree more, Diop should be traded for a backup PF as soon as possible IMO.
For sure if there was a PF available some where, Houston is the only team I can think of needing some help at C....:cool:
For sure if there was a PF available some where, Houston is the only team I can think of needing some help at C....:cool:
You should call the Rockets FO and say your Larry Brown and propose a trade.
davcbow
10-17-2009, 07:49 PM
mE THINKS ME VOICE SOUNDS NOTHING LIKE lb'S VOICE....:cool:
OOPS CAPS LOCK...:cool:
I doubt a phone call to anyone is going to help us unload Diop...well...only for a contract worse than his...frankly I'd rather have Matt's contract back now and Twiggy with it...
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