View Full Version : Raja may miss most of season
murphman
10-20-2009, 10:06 PM
:(
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=txbobcatsbell&prov=st&type=lgns
Oh fuck.
Flip better get his ass healthy, and Hendo better mature quickly, and Stevie Wonder better start writing "Superstition"...or we're fuckedddd.
davcbow
10-20-2009, 10:50 PM
We did pretty well without him tonight, maybe it wont be as big a blow as some are thinking....:cool:
That sucks, as much I like him, i was hoping we could trade him
Augustin the biggest beneficiary playing time wise?
Muttley
10-20-2009, 11:27 PM
That sucks, as much I like him, i was hoping we could trade him
He's still trade-able for his contract alone.
Augustin the biggest beneficiary playing time wise?
We've always got the old fall-back of Felton at SG! HA! Someone call for the Biscuit!
It seems though that tonight Henderson showed he can fill the spot for a bit.
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
10-20-2009, 11:30 PM
We did pretty well without him tonight, maybe it wont be as big a blow as some are thinking....:cool:
it's bad if we dont have a backup SG..with Flip out..it puts us in a tough spot
CatNation
10-21-2009, 12:17 AM
Damn I wish we coulda traded him before this. Oh well, with how he's been playing looks to be a blessing. MORE TIME FOR DJ!!!!!!!!!
edit: now that I think about it, he's got a real difficult decision in a contract year. I don't know whats worse: Play (probably play at a sub par level as well) and go in the market unhealthy, or sit and do nothing in your contract year but get healthy...
At first I thought it would be cool to have him play through it and sort of take on a 6th man role, but playing him against backups is totally negating the most effective part of his game, defense on the other teams star.
Yikes this is a touchy situation..
Black
10-21-2009, 12:57 AM
you can't trade an injured player
davcbow
10-21-2009, 01:20 AM
it's bad if we dont have a backup SG..with Flip out..it puts us in a tough spot
The way Bell has played in the preseason I dont think it will be all that tough a spot at all. Flip will come back and we have Henderson. I know Henderson is a rookie but this could be the perfect learning situation for him....Yes it does make us shallow at the SG position so LB will probably keep either Anderson or Jefferson unless he can sign someone better after the other teams make their cuts...
ohara831
10-21-2009, 08:26 AM
This will hurt us in many different ways. We lose his scoring ability, but that is really the least impact in my opinion. I think even more is the loss of his court leadership and his defensive presence. The little silver lining in this is that it gives our young guys a chance to step up to the plate and show something - can they be impact players. We shall see.
polarcat
10-21-2009, 08:53 AM
i'm trying to see a silver lining in this one. we still keep his leadership in the locker room, practices and on the bench, just not in the game.... the latter being the most painful. however, he wasn't looking good in the preseason and maybe age is catching up to him talent-wise. i mean, several here and within the media were figuring him to be our biggest trade chip. if we traded him, the presence that he brings to the team is gone and lost on molding henderson and all around chemistry. so, he's still here, just not on the court. this allows henderson to get more burn and experience on the court, rather than from the bench. we did ok last night without him, so maybe this isn't too bad. obviously i'd rather have him healthy than hurt....nobody should wish injury upon anyone. rather, trying to see the positives instead of the negatives.
spectre
10-21-2009, 08:55 AM
What a kick in the nuts to log onto BCP this AM and see that headline first thing.
Dcarnys
10-21-2009, 10:04 AM
Saw this on espn last night. Great, well hopefully Hendo can step it up. If all else fails, pray ether Flip gets back soon or Felton can play 2. Ether way were screwed.
LB4President
10-21-2009, 10:52 AM
This is horrible. I mean we can't trade him and we can't get injury relief from the league because his injury isn't career ending. Hopefully Henderson and Flip can step up, but this would be a great time to have Iverson now wouldn't it. Any chance we look to fill this hole via trade? Diop or Nazr maybe.
spectre
10-21-2009, 11:00 AM
Well we could trade him...teams would just have to waive the physical.
And that expiring would still hold value, only not as much if he was able to still make an impact on the court.
you can't trade an injured player
You can if the other team waives the physical.
"Raja Bell's expiring contract" has now entered Bill Simmons brain...egad.
And from what I've seen, if he has surgery, he'll be back by February, and if he doesn't, he could be back by New Year's.
Yeesh. This is a tough call for both sides.
dav7z
10-21-2009, 12:27 PM
The back court of DJ and Felton sucked last night and is not the answer . Its no way the two should play long staches toghter . Short stints should be ok.
Henderson looked ready for big time mins last night on both sides of the ball . Though he scored well last night . His defence stood out more to me. His rebounding and defencive abilitys along makes us better than Felts and DJ toghter.
With Bells start to the season 5 for 40 and a step slow . This might turn into a blessing.
Henderson is a much better pro player than a college player. Though he will make mistakes being a rookie . It should force Browns hand to start him . Flip has proven to be a effective back up in the past and should be again. Adding Flip was insurance for this very thing .But Brown has got to quit starting DJ and Felton toghter . If we have any chance at the playoffs at all..
Good videos about Bell and last nights win. Im getting the impression . Bell plays through this if he can't damage it more. Reason for a 2nd openion
http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=608
Thoughts about the video
Henderson and Flip will have to step up, or we will suffer greatly. This is bad news losing Bell, but I think Henderson is the type of guy who wants the challenge of having to step up and I believe he thinks he's ready to play now. That's just the attitude I've noticed from him. He knows what it takes to succeed in this league. Now will he make mistakes? Yes, he's a rookie. Will he struggle shooting the ball? Yes, that's his weakness. But I think he has the potential of making an impact this year. Bell's injury hurts us, but I'm being optimistic here, and hopefully Henderson and Flip step up in Raja's absence.
Scottley Crue
10-21-2009, 12:52 PM
The back court of DJ and Felton sucked last night and is not the answer . Its no way the two should play long staches toghter . Short stints should be ok.
Henderson looked ready for big time mins last night on both sides of the ball . Though he scored well last night . His defence stood out more to me. His rebounding and defencive abilitys along makes us better than Felts and DJ toghter.
With Bells start to the season 5 for 40 and a step slow . This might turn into a blessing.
Henderson is a much better pro player than a college player. Though he will make mistakes being a rookie . It should force Browns hand to start him . Flip has proven to be a effective back up in the past and should be again. Adding Flip was insurance for this very thing .But Brown has got to quit starting DJ and Felton toghter . If we have any chance at the playoffs at all..
Well, given the group he had and the timing of the injury news, LB looks like he went with the "most comfortable" thing last night. I think LB didn't want to have Henderson chase Redd around for his first pro starting experience. But I would like to see Henderson get the run, though...I think his game is suited far better for the pros than college, too. Of course, I can see LB using Graham at the 2 as well and that doesn't bother me either. Either way, the late off-season pickups are going to help us out tremednously now.
dav7z
10-21-2009, 12:58 PM
http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=608
this is interesting good video.
THOUGHTS
CatNation
10-21-2009, 01:12 PM
Philly waived Dionte Christmas. He's 6'5 and a very good shooter. I know we had some interest in him before, so maybe he could provide some more depth. I still think PF is more important even with this Raja injury.
Demon DeaCat
10-21-2009, 01:15 PM
Hopefully Henderson and Flip can step up, but this would be a great time to have Iverson now wouldn't it.
I didn't really want to go there about Iverson, but it does make you question the wisdom of passing on him this summer. We all knew Raja was prone to injury so this isn't much of a surprise. Granted AI is hurt now too so maybe we wouldn't be any better off, but that was the first thought that came to my mind. I'm glad we at least signed Flip. If we do get into the playoffs those two late signings might be the thing that saves us.
ohara831
10-21-2009, 01:24 PM
I know at the draft, many people liked Dionte Christmas. The 76ers just let him go so he is available.
SWedd523
10-21-2009, 04:31 PM
DIONTE CHRISTMAS IS MY DUDE!!!!!! PICK HIM UP NOW!!!!!!!!
p.s. watching that LB video about Raja really shows how much he likes him, dude looked like he was about to choke up the whole time
catsandheels
10-21-2009, 04:57 PM
i see a trade in our future
Keetch
10-21-2009, 05:36 PM
I don't see LB pairing Hendo and Xmas at SG. One rook too many. Though he might pick him up instead of keeping one of Anderson/Jefferson. Doubt it.
We'll definitely miss Bell's leadership in the back court from the get-go. Hopefully, Gerald Henderson is a starter very soon and gets an edge to him. I don't trust Flip except in short bursts and figure LB will get sick of his "happy-shots" pretty quick. Maybe he keeps Antonio Anderson now; though either him or Dontell Jefferson have to go to get the roster to 15.
I see.... doom DOOM
davcbow
10-21-2009, 05:58 PM
In all this drama ILBIT....He will figure out what to do..:cool:
Scottley Crue
10-21-2009, 07:02 PM
In all this drama ILBIT....He will figure out what to do..:cool:
I agree. I'm still very optimistic about the season. Bell will certainly be missed, but to point out a silver lining, this is the position the Bobcats strengthened in the offseason. Instead of Cartier Martin/Felton as your only choice for SG, now you have Hendo, Murray, Graham and Felton. In this instance, they really prepared themselves well for a situation like this.
Well now all of you people who wanted Augustin to start will probably get your wish.
I wish we would've signed Allen Iverson, he would be our starting SG right now with Raja injured.
I wish we would've signed Allen Iverson, he would be our starting SG right now with Raja injured.
So do I, but nothing we can do about it.
And as for who takes over, I'm gonna go ILBIT and leave you with a Mike Ditka quote. :biggrin:
"That's up to the coaches, whoever starts starts, whoever doesn't doesn't, period, cut and dry. Next question?"
Keetch
10-21-2009, 08:33 PM
The Ditka statement is certainly true; even for ham biscuits, unfortunately.
A corrollary to that statement..."and if you don't like it, don't watch it."
Fortunately, I'ma still gonna be watchin'.
dav7z
10-21-2009, 09:13 PM
Well now all of you people who wanted Augustin to start will probably get your wish.
I wish we would've signed Allen Iverson, he would be our starting SG right now with Raja injured.
This team will really suck if we start DJ in the back court along with Felton.
We just can't start two points that small and stay competative
TheBeagle
10-21-2009, 11:07 PM
I just love the timing of it. Regular season kicks off next week; lots to be hyped and excited about and we get this kick in the nuts. Really, when my cousin told me the news this afternoon, I was asking who's supposed to be good coming into next year's draft. How bad does it suck to have to look forward to next season before this season has even started. Ugh.
I'm with Keetch, I foresee a season of misery and DOOOOOM :(; I just don't know if I have the stomach to sit through the Grand Guignol that will be the 09-10 Cats.....
Keetch
10-21-2009, 11:20 PM
lol Beagle you're so emotional. It'll be ai't. I think Henderson is gonna shine; Murray's a decent backup and there's always the 2 PG's in a pinch.
With or without Bell, this season will be bumpy. We're still a vulnerable team with some large weaknesses (like The Offense and Rebounding to name 2) and a few space cadets on the roster (Diop, Radman and Ajinca), though Lexy is entertaining, gotta give him that.
Chrystos
10-21-2009, 11:20 PM
I just love the timing of it. Regular season kicks off next week; lots to be hyped and excited about and we get this kick in the nuts. Really, when my cousin told me the news this afternoon, I was asking who's supposed to be good coming into next year's draft. How bad does it suck to have to look forward to next season before this season has even started. Ugh.
I'm with Keetch, I foresee a season of misery and DOOOOOM :(; I just don't know if I have the stomach to sit through the Grand Guignol that will be the 09-10 Cats.....
The bobcats are not going to do terrible without him. I pretty sure there going
to do fine with Flip and Henderson. He played terribly in the preseason anyway..:)
murphman
10-22-2009, 08:57 AM
We still don't know what the right course of action is," Brown said after practice Wednesday. "Kobe (Bryant) played with a similar situation all of last year. We're going to get a second opinion.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/1013213.html
Hmmm, maybe he can still play.
dav7z
10-22-2009, 09:05 AM
I just love the timing of it. Regular season kicks off next week; lots to be hyped and excited about and we get this kick in the nuts. Really, when my cousin told me the news this afternoon, I was asking who's supposed to be good coming into next year's draft. How bad does it suck to have to look forward to next season before this season has even started. Ugh.
I'm with Keetch, I foresee a season of misery and DOOOOOM :(; I just don't know if I have the stomach to sit through the Grand Guignol that will be the 09-10 Cats.....
Beagle you know i say what i think , like the game we watched toghter last year.
1st I saw bell last night . He looked fine. Hes getting a second openion. If he can't damage the non shooting hand any more hes playing. Henderson had the exact same thing happen to him in college and played through it.
2nd Henderson you will fall in love with . After just one preseason game hes won me over.
He has Grant Hill leaping ability and great moves around the basket. He has a good pull up and midrange game very good. On defence hes as quick as Bell and prides his self on the stop. He gives you that big time star feeling when he walks on to the floor. Hes not much of a drop off from Bell right now if any drop at all. Being a rookie he will make mistakes. But the kid is a scorer not a pure shooter. With a starting gig he will average 16ppg this year .
The way i see this playing out . Bell will be our starter opening night playing about 20 mins per game . Brown will play him in straches when we need stops on the defencive side. Henderson will come off the beanch from game one posting. Posting 15 to 25 mins a game . Depending on his play . Flip and DJ will see the rest. DJ will log more depending on match ups.
TC looked very slow [out of game shape ] But even with that hes not much of a drop off from Mek. Nazz most inproved player on the team looks better than Mek on offence. But don't rebound quite as well. Over all our center position has inproved.
Felton and DJ both look much inproved running plays . DJs is quicker and has inproved his defence . Has a great touch. But Felton still has better handles and a inproved passing . Shooting less shots and i think only two or three , three point shots in the preseason. Im thinking we will see a vast inproved shooting precentage this year. from him.
Diaw is about in playing shape [getting close] but my impression is about the same player. Wallace is CRASH as all ways. No problems with that at all.
Our beanch is a assest now not a liability.
Lexy is much inproved and can play rotation mins at center and p/f . I love a large line up and Lexy is ready to play beside Chandler or Nazz. right now.
UPS is learning the system but can log time behind Wallace . The kid can board and score. I think hes ready for spot play now and is a nice insurance policy if Wallace goes down.
Radman will see lots of time though his defence sucks . Him along with DJ are our best three point options. He can stroke the three . His shot is very good.
Last FLIP is streaky if hes on he can hurt a team quickly . All so a nice insurance policy behind Bell and Henderson.
We are vastly inproved over last year though our off season moves don't indacate it.
Our new found debth and experiance will pay off big.
I hope this encourages you some. I felt the same as you til i saw them play the other night. This is a better team even with out Bell . But i think Bell starts opening night.
I'm glad I didn't take Raja for my fantasy team.
Scottley Crue
10-22-2009, 07:38 PM
In reading the stuff in the Observer and what dav7z said, this appears to be something that can possibly be played through. Kobe did something similar and appears Henderson did the same thing. Maybe he'll miss very little time.
It just depends on what Raja wants to do. He's going to have to live with whatever side effects come from not doing surgery, and if he doesn't think he can live with them, he should have the sugery. However, he does come across as a tough SOB, so I can see him trying to go without going under the knife.
davcbow
10-22-2009, 11:29 PM
This team will not crumble just because Raja got hurt, we have the best bench we've ever had and our starters appear to be their best ever except Raja who kinda stunk it up in his preseason play... I think we will be fine either way...:cool:
Marvel
10-23-2009, 04:13 AM
So what's the lottery like next year girls.............................
bing!
10-23-2009, 08:32 AM
http://i37.tinypic.com/5fkqj4.png
LB4President
10-23-2009, 10:22 AM
Here is a long shot, but do you think Raja would be offered for Stephen Jackson who ESPN reports we are interested in. Golden State is just looking salary relief. I would be down to give them Alexis and Raja for Jackson. That is just me. We would get a proven scorer who can defend as well. We would get that go to guy for years to come. They would get salary relief and a potentially good player in Alexis. What do you think?
spectre
10-23-2009, 10:34 AM
I think that's too rich for a player that has publically demanded a trade and the team having almost no options to grant the request.
Gana/Raja for Jackson/Law.
I'd do that.
spectre...I'd do that one also...but Jackson has no desire to come here and it gluts us with forwards...I think Vlad/Diop would be better...Jackson/Turiaf would work but adds a longer contract (Turiaf vs. Vlad)....but again...I doubt Jackson wants to be here and he is combustable...
davcbow
10-23-2009, 08:50 PM
This is horrible. I mean we can't trade him and we can't get injury relief from the league because his injury isn't career ending. Hopefully Henderson and Flip can step up, but this would be a great time to have Iverson now wouldn't it. Any chance we look to fill this hole via trade? Diop or Nazr maybe.
Iverson is injured too...
davcbow
10-23-2009, 08:53 PM
Well now all of you people who wanted Augustin to start will probably get your wish.
I wish we would've signed Allen Iverson, he would be our starting SG right now with Raja injured.
Once again people he is injured too...:cool:
Scottley Crue
10-24-2009, 02:40 PM
Wasn't sure if I should start a new thread for this, so I thought I'd just bump this one. Here's Rick's latest info on Raja...
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/10/an-update-on-raja-bell.html
LB4President
10-24-2009, 02:55 PM
There is no way we get Jackson and Turiaf. Jackson is their best player and Turiaf is the second best frontcourt player behind Briendris. Their frontcourt is already weak no way we get both. We all knew Raja was on the decline, but now that he is injured he is going fall off fast. Also I don't know about you but I am not willing to bet it all on Alexis to be the future of the team. I think we have this idea that he is going to develop into Dirk or something. I'm not saying he is a bust, but we could trade him for a proven 20 point scorer, former champion, and a rugged defender. That being said it doesn't look like any moves will be made. But I just wanted to point out that giving up these two guys really isn't that big of a deal in my opinion.
ammofan
10-24-2009, 03:16 PM
How about Gana/Raja/Lex/2nd rd. pick for Captain Jack/Wright? seems fair.....plus then Larry and MJ can have a Carolina guy lol
davcbow
10-24-2009, 03:33 PM
How about Gana/Raja/Lex/2nd rd. pick for Captain Jack/Wright? seems fair.....plus then Larry and MJ can have a Carolina guy lol
Gana Raja and 2nd round yes.... Lexx? hell no, he is just now getting it together and improving to become the player LB wanted... Last season we gave up (AMMO) and Shannon Brown for Radman which may or may not have been the best idea, Shannon is looking like a scoring beast in LA and Ammo is actually starting to play better, I saw their game against Denver last night and Shannon and Ammo were both playing well. Get rid of Lexxy? fuck no...:cool:
SWedd523
10-24-2009, 05:27 PM
LB and ammofan, you underestimate the power of a trade request. Ever since Captain Jack openly asked for a trade and Nellie threw him under the bus... his value plummeted.
Everyone knows they're looking to get rid of him. When you're the team looking to trade somebody, you don't get nearly as much value in return. If we were approaching them without all this drama, Jack's price tag would be much higher than it is. But as it stands, they'll take less than what he's worth
ammofan
10-24-2009, 06:37 PM
I understand the whole deal with trade requests but I am just not that high on Ajinca......
davcbow
10-24-2009, 08:19 PM
I understand the whole deal with trade requests but I am just not that high on Ajinca......
Well pay attention because he is going to change peoples minds this year if they give him some minutes...:cool:
TheBeagle
10-25-2009, 12:13 AM
Well pay attention because he is going to change peoples minds this year if they give him some minutes...:cool: You tell 'em, dav!! Anybody that badmouths Lexy...well....:paddle:
And thanks for the pep talk, dav7z. I still don't feel all that good about this season, but I agree that Raja being healthy or not won't affect the season as much as I was whining about before. Come what may, I am excited about the season and look forward to opening night and the home debut on Friday as well as the rest of the season.
You tell 'em, dav!! Anybody that badmouths Lexy...well....:paddle:
And thanks for the pep talk, dav7z. I still don't feel all that good about this season, but I agree that Raja being healthy or not won't affect the season as much as I was whining about before. Come what may, I am excited about the season and look forward to opening night and the home debut on Friday as well as the rest of the season.
Lexy is a S-C-R-U-B :biggrin:
davcbow
10-25-2009, 02:27 AM
Lexy is a S-C-R-U-B :biggrin:
BigE are you and Ammofan bro's? If not you should consider it, you two sound like twins....:cool:
Ghost Kat
10-25-2009, 12:31 PM
Well now all of you people who wanted Augustin to start will probably get your wish.
:funkybanana:
But Felton has to start at SG....
:hissyfit:
ammofan
10-25-2009, 04:23 PM
Well pay attention because he is going to change peoples minds this year if they give him some minutes...:cool:
I hope he does! He needs to!
dnbman
10-25-2009, 05:43 PM
:funkybanana:
But Felton has to start at SG....
:hissyfit:
I don't think it will play out like that on the offensive end. I'll bet DJ plays off the ball more, looking to get open for shots. Felton will play the SG on the defensive end, but I don't think he'll be the SG on the offensive end.
Marvel
10-26-2009, 02:24 AM
I pray LB doesn't start the season with DJ and Felton in the backcourt,personally i think Hendo should start and bring Flip off the bench along with DJ(as long as Raja's out),and even with Raja healthy i still don't like our chances of making the playoffs.
davcbow
10-26-2009, 02:36 AM
I pray LB doesn't start the season with DJ and Felton in the backcourt,personally i think Hendo should start and bring Flip off the bench along with DJ(as long as Raja's out),and even with Raja healthy i still don't like our chances of making the playoffs.
Come on guys dont express so much doom and gloom, I am thinking the best... I think LB will think all things through and experiment with line ups and go with what he thinks is best for the team... Never know he may even have a trade lined up or be lining up a trade or a FA signing of some sort....Many possibilities..... My favorite idea is to start Henderson and give the kid a lot of learning experience although I know he dont like starting rookies...:cool:
spectre
10-27-2009, 01:06 PM
:biggrin:
Bell puts off surgery, at least for now (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/10/bell-puts-off-surgery-at-least-for-now.html)
Charlotte Bobcats guard Raja Bell is putting off surgery on his left wrist and -- in a best-case scenario -- could be playing in about a week.
Bell got encouraging news from a Chicago hand specialist, who said it's worth trying to avoid surgery on a torn ligament. The plan now is for him to practice to the extent that he can tolerate the pain. Bell said he can shoot fine, but that passing (requiring him to snap his left wrist) is quite painful. Defense will obviously be a problem, since that entails impeding opposing players with both arms.
Bell said his wrist feels noticeably better since he injured it Oct. 18 versus the Utah Jazz. If he doesn't continue improving, he could opt for an arthroscopic procedure to explore whether corrective surgery is warranted. That scope would put him out 4-6 weeks. If corrective surgery is necessary, he'd be out as much as four months.
In the absence of Bell and guard Flip Murray (stress reaction in his left shin), Bobcats coach Larry Brown plans to start Stephen Graham at shooting guard. That allows D.J. Augustin to play most of his minutes at point guard. The Bobcats open their season Wednesday night in Boston.
Keetch
10-27-2009, 01:15 PM
OMG our starting shooting guard is Stephen Graham.
MattD
10-27-2009, 01:16 PM
OMG our starting shooting guard is Stephen Graham.
hahahahahah. +1
spectre
10-27-2009, 01:21 PM
OMG our starting shooting guard is Stephen Graham.
Heh!
It does fit though; LB going with the defender at the 2 and not the rook.
I'll betcha we won't run with that lineup for long...not and stay competitive anyway.
dav7z
10-27-2009, 03:49 PM
I agree with Brown most of the time . But in this case Henderson is a much better option. . Graham will foul out if he plays over 15 mins. At least its better than starting DJ and Felton toghter.
Graham is probably the starter to slow down Ray Allen. Come NYK, it'll be Hendo.
Shit, who am I kidding, LB has a stubborn streak. Stevie Wonder better be making a Greatest Hits album on the 28th...
Scottley Crue
10-27-2009, 06:42 PM
I agree with Brown most of the time . But in this case Henderson is a much better option. . Graham will foul out if he plays over 15 mins. At least its better than starting DJ and Felton toghter.
I'd like to see Henderson too, but no doubt LB does not want Hendo's first real burn to be against Ray Allen in a season opener. Hendo will get his run, just not right off the bat.
davcbow
10-27-2009, 10:52 PM
I'd like to see Henderson too, but no doubt LB does not want Hendo's first real burn to be against Ray Allen in a season opener. Hendo will get his run, just not right off the bat.
Yep I think thats a rookie issue with LB....:cool:
Walt Cronkite
10-27-2009, 11:27 PM
LB is definitely not against playing rookies. I've written books on the topic at realgm. Guy plays the most talented players he has. I think this is more of a nod to Graham than a knock on Hendo.
davcbow
10-28-2009, 12:20 AM
LB is definitely not against playing rookies. I've written books on the topic at realgm. Guy plays the most talented players he has. I think this is more of a nod to Graham than a knock on Hendo.
I agree we all know Hendo is good...:cool:
Walt Cronkite
10-28-2009, 12:25 AM
I'm not that big of a Henderson fan, actually. As a rarity, it has nothing to do with his college, which seems to be the most common reason to be down on him.
davcbow
10-28-2009, 12:29 AM
I'm not that big of a Henderson fan, actually. As a rarity, it has nothing to do with his college, which seems to be the most common reason to be down on him.
Yes there are a lot of tar heel homers here for sure....I don't care myself which school anyone comes from because I feel that once you are playing for the Bobcats your old school don't mean nothing no more because you are now a Bobcat....Just my 2 cents.... :cool:
I'm not that big of a Henderson fan, actually. As a rarity, it has nothing to do with his college, which seems to be the most common reason to be down on him.
Why not? LB seems to be...
Walt Cronkite
10-28-2009, 05:27 PM
I really liked Terrence Williams. The main reason I'm down on Henderson is that all of my friends that are Duke fans didn't have many positive things to say about him. They agreed that he could be a starting sg in the Raja Bell mold. I like Earl Clark, Austin Daye and Jrue Holiday as better prospects ahead of Henderson... but that's the past.
spectre
10-28-2009, 05:52 PM
I really liked Terrence Williams. The main reason I'm down on Henderson is that all of my friends that are Duke fans didn't have many positive things to say about him. They agreed that he could be a starting sg in the Raja Bell mold. I like Earl Clark, Austin Daye and Jrue Holiday as better prospects ahead of Henderson... but that's the past.
I don't really follow college anymore so I have nothing to really go by other than what's online and some clips and by what a lot of you guys say. With Hendo I can honestly say he was a blank slate...I had no opinion. Some of the hype had me thinking he could come right in and fight for the 2 spot, but common sense said the odds of that happening with the 12th wasn't really good, esp. with LB and his boy Raja.
At first glance I wasn't so hot on him as he played like a rookie, shooting it every time he got the ball and making mistakes. The last couple of games though...going by stat lines & the radio it "sounded" like he was starting to get it. They have me a little intrigued, so at this stage I'm fairly optimistic about him.
If he can come close to what he's started out doing and not screw up too much I think he could at least pull good minutes at the 2 pretty quickly. You can't ask for much more this early.
Walt Cronkite
10-28-2009, 05:56 PM
If Henderson puts us into a position to win, he ought to be playing. I'm totally certain LB would play him if he felt the same way, because that's what his track record shows. The misconception about Brown and his unwillingness to play rookies comes from the Darko situation in Detroit.
spectre
10-28-2009, 06:03 PM
It's probably a stretch to think he's ready right now.
I'm just hoping he's close. :cool:
Scottley Crue
10-28-2009, 06:06 PM
If Henderson puts us into a position to win, he ought to be playing. I'm totally certain LB would play him if he felt the same way, because that's what his track record shows. The misconception about Brown and his unwillingness to play rookies comes from the Darko situation in Detroit.
LB will definitely play rookies if they show they can perform. Just see DJ last year. He's just hesitant to make Hendo's very first minutes be about chasing around Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.
http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=714
Expect to see veteran Stevie Graham in the starting lineup alongside Raymond Felton, Gerald Wallace, Boris Diaw (who also continues to improve after missing preseason time with an ankle injury) and Chandler. Graham enters the starting lineup, not because Brown has little faith in his rookie out of Duke, Gerald Henderson, but because he’s trying to work him into the league.
“I think that’s the way we should do it,” said Brown. “I’m not afraid to play Gerald Henderson, but I don’t want his first NBA game to be spent chasing Paul Pierce and Ray Allen around right off the bat.”
Other good stuff in there too about Raja.
davcbow
10-28-2009, 06:12 PM
I read this on Charlotte observer. Raja may be out only 1 more week.....
The team that begins this season is not the team that ended the last one. The Bobcats need the toughness and leadership of Bell, who is out at least another week with a wrist injury.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/1023798.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=678487#Comments_Container
dnbman
10-28-2009, 06:15 PM
I'm not a Sorenson hater, but I do think he's a bit silly about joking about how easy it is to get into the playoffs. Not only is the East a lot better, but our division is really tough too. Making the playoffs won't be a cakewalk for any team this year.
I really liked Terrence Williams. The main reason I'm down on Henderson is that all of my friends that are Duke fans didn't have many positive things to say about him. They agreed that he could be a starting sg in the Raja Bell mold. I like Earl Clark, Austin Daye and Jrue Holiday as better prospects ahead of Henderson... but that's the past.
I think everyone liked T-Will, but he went to the Nets first...nothing we could do there.
Clark could easily be outdone by UPS, if all this hype about him is true. Daye I don't like. Jrue I do like, but he's a bit too raw for a team trying to win now.
Walt Cronkite
10-28-2009, 07:28 PM
Just because I write something doesn't mean you have to comment on it. For a moderator, you sure love to derail threads with OT comments.
Just because I write something doesn't mean you have to comment on it. For a moderator, you sure love to derail threads with OT comments.
There's nothing wrong with thread's going OT...as long as there's discussion. Isn't that the point of a discussion forum? Sorry for being such a bad moderator, but if you're the only one who I upset (and I regularly get applauded privately, thank you), then that's fine. Just because you don't like how we do things doesn't mean you have to say so.
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