Boards and turnovers

[dav7z]

Coach thinks we got to address thease problems. Ideas how to address the problems.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/1016321.html




With Bell out and and Diaw not getting any boards that hurts . The p/f position has to peoduce boards.

Im saying we play big starting either TC and Nazz or TC and Lexy. Moving Diaw to the shooting guard position . Diaw has passing abilitys and that could help with turn overs.

In my mind Lexy fits well at the four beside TC , With Nazz off the beanch. Diaw works at the two and giving Wallace a rest at the three . With both able to make the switch on the pick .

Felton , DJ, Flip
Diaw, Henderson , Flip
Wallace , Diaw , Brown
Lexy, TC , Diaw
TC , Nazz, Diop
Bell, backs up Diaw when able.
Graham , Vlad, sees little time.

I think thats our best rebounding and ball handling units.
Your Best starting five and beanch?

[davcbow]

Sounds good Dav7z Ive been thinking along those lines all along...:cool:

[dnbman]

When he's in great shape, playing Diaw at the 2 is a stretch. Being that he's out of shape, I say no chance. Besides, we'd move Wallace over to the 2 before Diaw.

As of now, Henderson is our future at the 2. I'd rather play him and see him develop than play guys out of position and sacrifice depth.

PG: Felton, DJ
SG: Henderson, Graham (Flip when he's healthy, although, I may switch Flip and Henderson to compliment the other backup.)
SF: Wallace, Brown, Rad
PF: Diaw, Lexy
C: TC, Nazr, Diop

[dav7z]

When he's in great shape, playing Diaw at the 2 is a stretch. Being that he's out of shape, I say no chance. Besides, we'd move Wallace over to the 2 before Diaw.

As of now, Henderson is our future at the 2. I'd rather play him and see him develop than play guys out of position and sacrifice depth.

PG: Felton, DJ
SG: Henderson, Graham (Flip when he's healthy, although, I may switch Flip and Henderson to compliment the other backup.)
SF: Wallace, Brown, Rad
PF: Diaw, Lexy
C: TC, Nazr, Diop

I agree Henderson being our future , But the artical states Boards and ball handling as our biggest problems. Right now our small foward leads the team in boards, What can we do to get more boards out of our biggs . We have to board better . Other Ideas?

[dnbman]

I agree Henderson being our future , But the artical states Boards and ball handling as our biggest problems. Right now our small foward leads the team in boards, What can we do to get more boards out of our biggs . We have to board better . Other Ideas?

Teach Henderson how to box out and get boards?

I don't know. Other than fixing how our guys play and getting healthier, I don't see a way to improve boards without creating significant problems elsewhere. We move Diaw to the SG and we'd be a LOT slower. Plus, with him having to guard the perimeter, would his rebounding ability even play out much?

I think more than anything, we just need our bigs to play better.

[Muttley]

I agree Henderson being our future , But the artical states Boards and ball handling as our biggest problems. Right now our small foward leads the team in boards, What can we do to get more boards out of our biggs . We have to board better . Other Ideas?
Have Gerald play power forward!
(I kid, of course.)

I'm trying my best to operate under the "what happens in the preseason, stays in the preseason" mantra, but as you've pointed out there are some troubling issues. Neither of our starting big men, however, have gotten a full preseason in this year. However, I'm thinking they should be fine when the season starts.

Strange things/matchups happen in the preseason. Come Wednesday our preseason starting center, Nazr, will be going up against 2nd string centers and if he plays as well as he has been, he'll do very well.

I currently don't think starting Lexy is the answer. That may change, but I'm hoping it doesn't ever come to that.

[teej]

TC wasn't in shape, and there's a reason Jemele Hill calls him Mr. Glass. And we all know Boris is the king of double-doubles now in Charlotte. I'm not concerned about that. And once Boris is back in game shape, the TO's will come down a bit, but that's always been an issue and I worry more about that...

[Muttley]

TC wasn't in shape, and there's a reason Jemele Hill calls him Mr. Glass. And we all know Boris is the king of double-doubles now in Charlotte. I'm not concerned about that. And once Boris is back in game shape, the TO's will come down a bit, but that's always been an issue and I worry more about that...

Good points.

About the TOs though, the number must come down, obviously, but as a forward, think about how many passes the guy makes (and is asked to make). THEN, consider that a lot of those passes were to Okafor down low. He dropped EVERYBODY's passes.

Once Diaw gets back to game shape (shouldn't take long with the summer he's had) he'll be okay, I think.

[dav7z]

Diaw at 6.8 and averaging around four boards a game for his carrer that won't get it for a power foward. Diaw played the two in Atlanta , and with the Suns as well as the three and four.
I wish just boxing out solved the whole problem. Starting Henderson might help some he might average four a game whitch is good for a two guard.

We need to pull down about 45 boards a game , TC when well around 8 at best thats carer high, Diaw has averaged 3.5. Wallace i think can average 7. Felton pulls about 3
Bell about 3 , Thats just 24 boards a game from our starters . That puts 21 a game on our reserves. Will not happen on a consistant basis.
Any thing less than that the team will have too average over 50% shooting to win . We a bad shooting team all so .
This is a problem. We can't sweep it under the rug . Its not going away.
We can increase time for people that board , We might be able to trade for a rebounder.
Your ideas but the team has to board at a better clip.
Turnovers will take care of them self once season starts . DJ , and Felts both have decent handles. Both have been trying things in the preseason . This problem should take care of its self.

Last in scoring, 26th in team rebounding.,
Has to be addressed
http://www.sikids.com/basketball/nba/stats/2008/team_rebounding/0_byTOT_RBND_PER_GAME.html

[WAM9]

I actually think Boris might actually be able to play the 2 spot but the biggest negative to this is that is would make our depth at the 4 even thinner. I also agree that if we were thinking of doing this, moving Wallace to the 2 and playing Diaw at the 3 would be a better move.

I know that LB said it but we can't lose to much sleep over this preseason. Assuming he is healthy, we haven't even seen a shadow of what Chandler will be for us. Him being healthy alone will go a long way to solving the rebounding issue. Diaw hasn't looked like himself either since he is just coming back from an injury. Boris looked great last year and very good during the summer for France as well. I am not worried at all about Diaw.

As far a Lexy goes, I actually think he is at an acceptable point in his learning curve and that he will be able to give us some productive minutes off the bench this year. While I see where the comment was coming from about him starting at the 4, I do not think he is anywhere near ready for that at this point in his career.

While I am a huge Bell fan, I feel that Murray and Henderson are very capable guys. Henderson is absorbing things like a sponge right now and when Flip has gotten starter minutes in the past, he has looked great. How long is Flip out for anyway? What is the latest update on his injury?

Things are not as bad as they may seem right now. I fully expect for us to get healthy and start to hit our stride within the first 2-3 weeks of the season.

[BRNC]

I'd rather start Hendo at SG than Diaw period...Diaw still turns the ball over way more than I care for and I don't see that changing any time soon (if ever)...Diaw also does not rebound at any pace close to what we need from a PF...PF remains our weakest position...yes...even starting a rook at SG...PF is still our weakness IMO...

[spectre]

I'd rather Hendo start at the 2 as well, but I'm afraid LB is going to want to run a Felton/DJ back court a lot which I think will get smoked defensively.

Rebounding I'm not real worried about. We were around average last season (something like 15th) and I imagine we'll be around the same again with TC over Mek. Boris has always been weak in that area but let's not forget we had the BEST SF rebounder in the game last season in Crash.

TOs is a bigger concern, but I hope Boris can keep that to a minimum once he gets used to playing with the rest of the guys. He's going to have them however...there's no getting away from that.

Both Felton & DJ need to get theirs at 2 per or less a game and keep it there.

[dav7z]

I'd rather Hendo start at the 2 as well, but I'm afraid LB is going to want to run a Felton/DJ back court a lot which I think will get smoked defensively.

Rebounding I'm not real worried about. We were around average last season (something like 15th) and I imagine we'll be around the same again with TC over Mek. Boris has always been weak in that area but let's not forget we had the BEST SF rebounder in the game last season in Crash.

TOs is a bigger concern, but I hope Boris can keep that to a minimum once he gets used to playing with the rest of the guys. He's going to have them however...there's no getting away from that.

Both Felton & DJ need to get theirs at 2 per or less a game and keep it there.

Spectre you must have not read the link early in the thread . Though Crash can board for a s/f . T he team as a whole is ranked 26th out of 30. in rebounding
The team is ranked 30th in scoring.
I think Boris leads the team in T,Os all so

Being ranked that badly is a cause for concern. Brown is even concerned.

[Muttley]

TC when well around 8 at best thats carer high,

Tyson's got a career average of 9 boards. (Okay, so 8 and 9 might not seem all that different, but I think they are when talking about averages.) I think that TC playing with Boris, he'll pull down more rebounds for two reasons this season because:
1. He has to.
2. LB will yell at him, and he'll handle it better than the last Center did.

[spectre]

Nah, my statement was based off of last season. The starters were 6th in the League in rebounds per game with 29.8:

http://www.82games.com/0809/STSORT4.HTM

with the bench doing BAD.

Based on DRR (Defensive Rebound Rate - % of defensive rebounds grabbed by the team) we were 13th:

http://hoopdata.com/teamdefstats.aspx

As we're a slower team (pace) than a lot of others I think this would hold more sway than total boards. Pace is another reason why I think the starters' total boards is fairly impressive.

Boris is a weak rebounder...it is what it is. Crash however is an excellent rebounder and I also think TC will average more boards here because of that (like Mek previously he won't have a strong 4 contending for boards).

[dav7z]

Tyson's got a career average of 9 boards. (Okay, so 8 and 9 might not seem all that different, but I think they are when talking about averages.) I think that TC playing with Boris, he'll pull down more rebounds for two reasons this season because:
1. He has to.
2. LB will yell at him, and he'll handle it better than the last Center did.

I have no problem with TC pulling down 9. Mek averaged over 10 per game and we still ranked 26th in rebounding . Thats fact

If TC pulls down 9 thats great.
If Wallace leads the league at small foward boarding at around 8 great

But we have to do better at the p/f position . Boris can't and wont do it. Pull down the numbers needed.
A small backcourt only increases the problem . So Felton and DJ at the same time hurts even more.

I have been reading excuses , But not one proposed answer except mine of going big.
Some one explain how boarding 26th in the league is taking us to the play offs . Its not like this team is going to shoot a consistant 50% from the feild

[dav7z]

Nah, my statement was based off of last season. The starters were 6th in the League in rebounds per game with 29.8:

http://www.82games.com/0809/STSORT4.HTM

with the bench doing BAD.

Based on DRR (Defensive Rebound Rate - % of defensive rebounds grabbed by the team) we were 13th:

http://hoopdata.com/teamdefstats.aspx

As we're a slower team (pace) than a lot of others I think this would hold more sway than total boards. Pace is another reason why I think the starters' total boards is fairly impressive.

Boris is a weak rebounder...it is what it is. Crash however is an excellent rebounder and I also think TC will average more boards here because of that (like Mek previously he won't have a strong 4 contending for boards).

Beanch rebounding must play a big reason for such a drop. from 13th to 26th.
If thats the reason for such a drop . That has to be addressed


http://www.sikids.com/basketball/nba/stats/2008/team_rebounding/0_byTOT_RBND_PER_GAME.html

[dav7z]

In your graf the starters played a league high in mins played per game. Whitch increases the starters rebounds . But as a offence and defence as a team we rank way down 26th
Still debth in rebounding seems to be a hudge problem all so

[spectre]

Does the 26th take pace into account?

That's why I think "per 100 possessions" would mean more.

[GoBobs]

Ray
Hendo
Wallace
Lexy
TC

Diaw off the bench

trade Vlad

[dav7z]

Does the 26th take pace into account?

That's why I think "per 100 possessions" would mean more.

I agree pace should factor some but should not by any means should be the key factor in addressing our teams lack of rebounding. Brown is addressing this as a key factor . Then i assume its a problem.

If we look at where we can inprove
Diop is a disapointment for his size
Nazz is average at best on boards
Lexy i feel has the most up side in this area
Radman doesn't seem instrested in mixing it up much
TC will hit the boards well and mix it up on the glass
Wallace boards very well and mixes it up . Our best rebounder
Diop is very soft on the boards and don't like to mix it up. Though he has the lynth and ability to board.
Brown . shows flashes , If he attacks the boards harder he could board well.
Henderson can get up ,mix it up , and should be very good on the boards

I feel Radman, Diop, and Diaw , need the most work in this area?

Going with a big line up helps more than any thing in this area.
If Boris or Wallace moves to two Those two can switch on the pick with ease.
Both Wallace and Boris can both post up more with smaller defenders. This mis match along is worth the change

TC and Lexy can both defend the rim on the pick all so . Both can challange the shot leaving the other to hit the board. Leaving only Felton or DJ to fight through the pick . But with the lynth of TC and Lexy recovery should be much easyer.
Position rebounding should be much better .

Resorting to a small back court causes us so many more disadvantages.

DJ , Henderson , Nazz , Bell off the beanch going with only a nine man rotation
Nazz backing up both TC and Lexy
Henderson backing up at s/g to give Boris and Wallace a rest
DJ backing up only Felton
Bell to stop a hot hand at the two or three position.
Only spot play for the rest of the team

[spectre]

Nah, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Pace was the reason we were 26th in total boards. If you adjust the number for pace we end up being a lot better than that.

Example: Steven Jackson pulls in 8 boards a season & Crash also pulls in 8 boards a season. Are they equal rebounders or is one better?

Answer: Crash easily. Since GSW is a much faster paced team there are more boards to be had. Per 100 possessions puts the teams on a more equal footing...and in that respect we're at least average in rebounding.

The only thing that's changed is Mek for TC and at worst we lose 1-2 boards a game assuming TC stays healthy.

LB was complaining about the boards in preseason, and rightfully so. Boris vs. the Griz had ONE board in 33 minutes; last season he averaged 6 in 37 minutes. The backups are sucking, but as we've noted the backups always have sucked.

If you haven't noticed LB has certain things that are important for bigs to do. Until they're at least decent at it he's going to beat on them like a drum.

[spectre]

BTW...Boris does something else that doesn't show up in the rebounding stat line but is just as important.

That would be blocking out.

[dav7z]

Nah, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Pace was the reason we were 26th in total boards. If you adjust the number for pace we end up being a lot better than that.

Example: Steven Jackson pulls in 8 boards a season & Crash also pulls in 8 boards a season. Are they equal rebounders or is one better?

Answer: Crash easily. Since GSW is a much faster paced team there are more boards to be had. Per 100 possessions puts the teams on a more equal footing...and in that respect we're at least average in rebounding.

The only thing that's changed is Mek for TC and at worst we lose 1-2 boards a game assuming TC stays healthy.

LB was complaining about the boards in preseason, and rightfully so. Boris vs. the Griz had ONE board in 33 minutes; last season he averaged 6 in 37 minutes. The backups are sucking, but as we've noted the backups always have sucked.

If you haven't noticed LB has certain things that are important for bigs to do. Until they're at least decent at it he's going to beat on them like a drum.

I agree with your reasoning and its not as bad as it looks due to pace.

But staying away from a small back court[DJ and Felton] is a key factor.
All so going big helps our position rebounding . Its much easer to switch. All so it allows our two and three to have a big advantage posting up. With TC and Lex we can pull both bigs away from the basket alowing Wallace and Diaw to work.

Does any one else not agree going big has advanteges in our offenceas well as rebounding

Spectre your thoughts on going big.

[dav7z]

BTW...Boris does something else that doesn't show up in the rebounding stat line but is just as important.

That would be blocking out.



LOL When did you see Boris block out i havn't at the cable box.

[spectre]

LOL When did you see Boris block out i havn't at the cable box.

Maybe what I remember was an accident on Boris' part? :p

I'm not big on gimmicks, that's why I said I'd prefer Hendo starting even though he's probably not ready. IMO he stands the best chance of filling the role we need at the 2 (strong defender, passer, scorer) vs. someone like Flip who I think is going to be very shot happy or DJ who I think will be a huge liability defensively at both the 1 & the 2.

I think Diaw is too slow to guard most 3s...I can't comprehend him trying to stay with guys like Kobe.

[dav7z]

I love Hendo, s game . But i think we board better with Lexy , Have more mismatches , Score better starting Lexy at the four. I don't see it as a gemic Boris can't guard a Kobe but Wallace would do ok , With Lexy and TC we should be able to stop so much dribble penatration.


What position do you see Lexy playing?
What do you think is Diaws best position is ? To me hes not perfect at any position but can play four. I can see why the Suns had him coming off the beanch .

[teej]

In S.I.'s NBA preview edition, part of their scouting report for each team was to ask another team's scout to talk about each team. For the 'Cats, the scout said this


Boris Diaw was without a doubt their team MVP...

We want that to come off the bench? No. He does way to much on the offensive end, and man-to-man defensively. No way Lexy is ready to start 82 games, either.

dav, LB needs something to whine about. TC is a better rebounder than Mek, and I fully expect him to average a double-double if healthy. Diaw should get 6 boards pg again, and Crash should get about seven. For our pace of play, that's huge. Like I said, I'm not concerned about that.

TO"s, with Boris you're going to get them because of the way he makes plays, and he make's great plays. But it's the other guys who have high TO numbers that we need to cut down on.

[davcbow]

In preseason.... our turn overs hurt us alot... *= 8 games

Radmanovic had 25*
DJ had 19*
Felts and Wallace had 17*
Graham had 16*
Diaw had 12 in 4 games
Bell had 10 in 6 games
Nazr had 9*
Ajinca had 8 in 6 games
Brown and Henderson had 7 in 7 games

The rest had 5 or less but thats a shit load of turn overs (171 total in 8 games)(21+ per game ave)....:(

[KT#20]

Not surprising considering we traded for an inferior rebounder and a turnover machine.

[dav7z]

In S.I.'s NBA preview edition, part of their scouting report for each team was to ask another team's scout to talk about each team. For the 'Cats, the scout said this



We want that to come off the bench? No. He does way to much on the offensive end, and man-to-man defensively. No way Lexy is ready to start 82 games, either.

dav, LB needs something to whine about. TC is a better rebounder than Mek, and I fully expect him to average a double-double if healthy. Diaw should get 6 boards pg again, and Crash should get about seven. For our pace of play, that's huge. Like I said, I'm not concerned about that.

TO"s, with Boris you're going to get them because of the way he makes plays, and he make's great plays. But it's the other guys who have high TO numbers that we need to cut down on.

I fully expext to see Boris start . Thing is Boris can play about any position.
Consider rebounding .
Who do we start . Whitch team is better on defence?

Do you start a back court of Felton and DJ ........ Felton and Henderson or Felton and Diaw , Playing Lexy at the four position .


Dav, all so made sence saying 21 turnovers is way too many .

So whos the best fit in place of Bell ??

[dav7z]

I for one will hate a starting back court of DJ and Felton
Small ball is a gemic . I prefer either Hendo or Lexey.
WHO............................................... .........................

[catsandheels]

i think that with boris and tc still recovering these first 2 games will help determine where lexi will be for the rest of the year(d-league or nba). He should get some decent playing time. He looks like he has improved alot all he needs to do is become a banger down low. But if he can play well then i expect we will get more rpg

[davcbow]

i think that with boris and tc still recovering these first 2 games will help determine where lexi will be for the rest of the year(d-league or nba). He should get some decent playing time. He looks like he has improved alot all he needs to do is become a banger down low. But if he can play well then i expect we will get more rpg

I doubt anyone goes to the Dleague this year unless bad things start happening with the young guys and we can pick up or trade for better players...:cool:

[BIGCatBobcat]

I've skipped through this and my feeling is, TC will box out, Diaw will be close enough to make it matter and Gerald will be flying all over the place. If you are into fantasy basketball get Raymond Felton. He will be rebounding this year. The rebounds will come from all positions and Mr. Glass will be boarding them as well as anyone and the guards will be looking to run, everyone will. Expect it and watch it won't be the simple old PF and C get 10 or 15 per game each.

[GoBobs]

I really don't think diaw could play pf though. He is only fast for a pf or c and really more than being super fast he wears you out with his constant running around. He can play 5 positions and maybe should at times depending on matchups, but during his career most of the best matchups seem to have come at the pf.

[davcbow]

I've skipped through this and my feeling is, TC will box out, Diaw will be close enough to make it matter and Gerald will be flying all over the place. If you are into fantasy basketball get Raymond Felton. He will be rebounding this year. The rebounds will come from all positions and Mr. Glass will be boarding them as well as anyone and the guards will be looking to run, everyone will. Expect it and watch it won't be the simple old PF and C get 10 or 15 per game each.

I did he's my starting PG.....:biggrin:

[WAM9]

Given our current roster, Diaw will 100% be our starting PF.

[BRNC]

Teej you said..."TO"s, with Boris you're going to get them because of the way he makes plays, and he make's great plays. But it's the other guys who have high TO numbers that we need to cut down on." Diaw led the team with 1 TO for every 12.4 minutes played....Ray is next at 1 TO for every 13.5 minutes played and it drops considerably after those two...they are the main culprits for TOs...at least they were last year and they bothe need to cut them down...but Diaw (again IMO) just makes as many dumba** plays as great ones so frankly he has never impressed me...and the MVP of our team is major BS...when Crash was injured in LA the next several games Diaw all but disappeared...

[teej]

^I was kind of shocked to read that too, as I think Crash does more, but Diaw was without a doubt second. No way mek, Ray or Raja did more.

As for the to's, Boris is the only guy on the team I've seen who can make great passes. I'm willing to excuse the bad ones, becuase a lot of that was miscommunication leading to drops rather than boneheaded stuff on his part. My only complaint is he doesn't shoot enough.

As for Ray, he has a lot to work on with to's, so do Vladi, Stevie Wonder, DJ, and Crash. They all looked horrific in the preseason turning it over. DJ actually had more than Ray in the preseason...

[BRNC]

Well...who ever it was knows nothing about our team...as far as the TOs...if he cuts them down this year I'll go with the communication...but he still is underwhelming in my book...

[davcbow]

^I was kind of shocked to read that too, as I think Crash does more, but Diaw was without a doubt second. No way mek, Ray or Raja did more.

As for the to's, Boris is the only guy on the team I've seen who can make great passes. I'm willing to excuse the bad ones, becuase a lot of that was miscommunication leading to drops rather than boneheaded stuff on his part. My only complaint is he doesn't shoot enough.

As for Ray, he has a lot to work on with to's, so do Vladi, Stevie Wonder, DJ, and Crash. They all looked horrific in the preseason turning it over. DJ actually had more than Ray in the preseason...

Radman had 25
DJ 19
Felton had 17

[BRNC]

I agree about preseason dav...I thought Ray looked good...I think cutting his minutes down during the season would help...I hope he keeps it up all year...

[WAM9]

Teej you said..."TO"s, with Boris you're going to get them because of the way he makes plays, and he make's great plays. But it's the other guys who have high TO numbers that we need to cut down on." Diaw led the team with 1 TO for every 12.4 minutes played....Ray is next at 1 TO for every 13.5 minutes played and it drops considerably after those two...they are the main culprits for TOs...at least they were last year and they bothe need to cut them down...but Diaw (again IMO) just makes as many dumba** plays as great ones so frankly he has never impressed me...and the MVP of our team is major BS...when Crash was injured in LA the next several games Diaw all but disappeared...

Diaw and Felton lead the team in assists on a regular basis. Guys who are just swinging the ball around the perimeter aren't getting many turnovers but they aren't making many assists either. Guys who put their teammates in position to score on a regular basis have so many more opportunities to have a turnover. Who else on our team, other than Augustine, really makes the kind of passes that make the other guys better?

I really don't understand the negativity about Diaw. For me, he is clearly the straw that stirs the drink and the absolute main reason we looked like a much improved team last year. Am I really looking at this through orange colored glasses?

[spectre]

I really don't understand the negativity about Diaw. For me, he is clearly the straw that stirs the drink and the absolute main reason we looked like a much improved team last year. Am I really looking at this through orange colored glasses?

Not from my perspective you're not...I totally agree.

Boris is the engine.

[docend24]

Nah, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Pace was the reason we were 26th in total boards. If you adjust the number for pace we end up being a lot better than that.

Example: Steven Jackson pulls in 8 boards a season & Crash also pulls in 8 boards a season. Are they equal rebounders or is one better?

Answer: Crash easily. Since GSW is a much faster paced team there are more boards to be had. Per 100 possessions puts the teams on a more equal footing...and in that respect we're at least average in rebounding.

The only thing that's changed is Mek for TC and at worst we lose 1-2 boards a game assuming TC stays healthy.

LB was complaining about the boards in preseason, and rightfully so. Boris vs. the Griz had ONE board in 33 minutes; last season he averaged 6 in 37 minutes. The backups are sucking, but as we've noted the backups always have sucked.

If you haven't noticed LB has certain things that are important for bigs to do. Until they're at least decent at it he's going to beat on them like a drum.
lynth? Seriously?

[spectre]

lynth? Seriously?

What's a "lynth"?

[docend24]

I agree pace should factor some but should not by any means should be the key factor in addressing our teams lack of rebounding. Brown is addressing this as a key factor . Then i assume its a problem.

If we look at where we can inprove
Diop is a disapointment for his size
Nazz is average at best on boards
Lexy i feel has the most up side in this area
Radman doesn't seem instrested in mixing it up much
TC will hit the boards well and mix it up on the glass
Wallace boards very well and mixes it up . Our best rebounder
Diop is very soft on the boards and don't like to mix it up. Though he has the lynth and ability to board.
Brown . shows flashes , If he attacks the boards harder he could board well.
Henderson can get up ,mix it up , and should be very good on the boards

I feel Radman, Diop, and Diaw , need the most work in this area?

Going with a big line up helps more than any thing in this area.
If Boris or Wallace moves to two Those two can switch on the pick with ease.
Both Wallace and Boris can both post up more with smaller defenders. This mis match along is worth the change

TC and Lexy can both defend the rim on the pick all so . Both can challange the shot leaving the other to hit the board. Leaving only Felton or DJ to fight through the pick . But with the lynth of TC and Lexy recovery should be much easyer.
Position rebounding should be much better .

Resorting to a small back court causes us so many more disadvantages.

DJ , Henderson , Nazz , Bell off the beanch going with only a nine man rotation
Nazz backing up both TC and Lexy
Henderson backing up at s/g to give Boris and Wallace a rest
DJ backing up only Felton
Bell to stop a hot hand at the two or three position.
Only spot play for the rest of the team
Lynth? Seriously?

Sorry spectre, I just quote the wrong post - too many tabs open:facepalm:

[spectre]

Lynth? Seriously?

Sorry spectre, I just quote the wrong post - too many tabs open:facepalm:

:hysterical:

Man I reread my post 3 times trying to find that!

No problems.

[dav7z]

lynth? Seriously?

Wow , I hope making fun of a old mans spelling make your day. People hear don't make fun or take shots at each other. You havn't had any positive input at all about the thread so attack a old man . I hope that makes you feel real smart. Thank you for telling me how stupid i am . This is Bobcatsplanet not Real GM . We try to respect each other around hear.

[BRNC]

Length huh...LOL....I know there a folks that like Diaw and I'm fine with that...I'm just not one of them...he is too soft for me...he makes too many bone-headed plays...he disappears when the real players (like Crash last year) are injured...he is inconsistent and does not rebound...he had one good year with the Suns (and then was over-paid IMO) when his flaws were easy to hide...and you're welcome to have him stir your drink any time....but there was a good/valid reason he could not/did not crack the starting rotation with the Suns until Amare was hurt...and then he was traded...so guy that stirs the drink? I think his lack of mobility hurts him on "D" and I have little doubt that he is already wearing on LB...again...just my opinion...glad for those that like him...

[dav7z]

Diaw and Felton lead the team in assists on a regular basis. Guys who are just swinging the ball around the perimeter aren't getting many turnovers but they aren't making many assists either. Guys who put their teammates in position to score on a regular basis have so many more opportunities to have a turnover. Who else on our team, other than Augustine, really makes the kind of passes that make the other guys better?

I really don't understand the negativity about Diaw. For me, he is clearly the straw that stirs the drink and the absolute main reason we looked like a much improved team last year. Am I really looking at this through orange colored glasses?

Diaw is a great player and his turnovers come from tough plays. My only thought is Diaw can play four positions . Playing big is a option .
With Bell out .Who makes us better ,
Lexy starting at four, Henderson starting at two, DJ starting beside felton .

It might just be me but i don't like the idea of Felton and DJ starting toghter.

[BRNC]

I don't either dav...I'd rather have DJ play PG when Ray is out of the game...I think LB needs to cut Rays time on the court down to help him...but Diaw at the SG...no thanks...I'd rather have Hendo start...problem for the team is we have no one to back him up...but if you play Diaw at the SG you're not going to be happy with his defense from that position...what ever the "experts" claim that he can defend four positions....I've seen too many "bigs" get around him too often...no thanks to Diaw at SG on my part....

[dav7z]

I don't either dav...I'd rather have DJ play PG when Ray is out of the game...I think LB needs to cut Rays time on the court down to help him...but Diaw at the SG...no thanks...I'd rather have Hendo start...problem for the team is we have no one to back him up...but if you play Diaw at the SG you're not going to be happy with his defense from that position...what ever the "experts" claim that he can defend four positions....I've seen too many "bigs" get around him too often...no thanks to Diaw at SG on my part....

I could live with Henderson starting . The kid has tons of up side and plays smart.
I can live with Nazz or Lexy starting . What i don't want to see is a consistant Felton , DJ back court. That kills us on boards and we can't defend the two well . I would much rather play big than small.

[BRNC]

I agree 100% on not playing small this year unless it helps in match-ups...GSW...but that would be the only time I'd want to see it!

[WAM9]

Length huh...LOL....I know there a folks that like Diaw and I'm fine with that...I'm just not one of them...he is too soft for me...he makes too many bone-headed plays...he disappears when the real players (like Crash last year) are injured...he is inconsistent and does not rebound...he had one good year with the Suns (and then was over-paid IMO) when his flaws were easy to hide...and you're welcome to have him stir your drink any time....but there was a good/valid reason he could not/did not crack the starting rotation with the Suns until Amare was hurt...and then he was traded...so guy that stirs the drink? I think his lack of mobility hurts him on "D" and I have little doubt that he is already wearing on LB...again...just my opinion...glad for those that like him...

2 Questions:
1) Do you think the Bobcats improved tremendously last season after the Diaw/Bell trade?
2) If so, what exactly is responsible for that if it isn't Diaw?

Diaw has a 2 -1 Assist to Turnover ratio for his career. That is really good for a big man. I just looked up Tim Duncan and he is basically at 1 - 1. That means Diaw has 1/2 as many turnovers as TD for every assist he makes. Not too shabby.

Also, I haven't taken the time to do the research but I seem to remember Diaw getting big numbers, even a few triple doubles, on many occasions when he got the playing time with Atlanta and Phoenix.

Phoenix was an extremely fast paced - open court team when Diaw was there so I would think it would be more difficult to "hide his flaws" in that type of system.

By the way, Diaw wouldn't be my first choice for PF's. I would much rather have a Tim Duncan or Garnett or Chris Bosh but I don't really see that happening. Given our realistic options, I am very excited for Diaw to be our starting PF. Our team may have some issues but I don't feel that Diaw is one of them.

[teej]

Wow , I hope making fun of a old mans spelling make your day. People hear don't make fun or take shots at each other. You havn't had any positive input at all about the thread so attack a old man . I hope that makes you feel real smart. Thank you for telling me how stupid i am . This is Bobcatsplanet not Real GM . We try to respect each other around hear.

Just chill, dav. Let it go.

I don't really want to see DJ and Ray starting either, and I'm glad to see LB isn't going with that, but Stevie Graham? Really? We'll see.

And Boris beats the hell out of anyone else we couldn've had, BRNC. Who do you think's walking through the door, Dwight Howard?

[TOOT DADDY]

I just presonally don't view Diaw as a game changer. He is way too soft as mentioned in a previous thread. Diaw is best suited for what he was in Phoenix coming off the bench, which I believe he would be doing on 80% of the teams in this league. Sure he will get points in stretches but he also disappears in stretches way too often. The comparison to Tim Duncan is ridiculous rather it be assist or any other statistical category. Duncan is a hall of famer Diaw not so much.

[teej]

I just presonally don't view Diaw as a game changer. He is way too soft as mentioned in a previous thread. Diaw is best suited for what he was in Phoenix coming off the bench, which I believe he would be doing on 80% of the teams in this league. Sure he will get points in stretches but he also disappears in stretches way too often. The comparison to Tim Duncan is ridiculous rather it be assist or any other statistical category. Duncan is a hall of famer Diaw not so much.

Then answer Wam's question, please. :biggrin:

[dnbman]

By the way, Diaw wouldn't be my first choice for PF's. I would much rather have a Tim Duncan or Garnett or Chris Bosh but I don't really see that happening. Given our realistic options, I am very excited for Diaw to be our starting PF. Our team may have some issues but I don't feel that Diaw is one of them.

I agree completely. Ultimately, I'd rather have a more rugged, traditional PF. However, given that quality PFs are very expensive and rare, I'm glad to have a dynamic guy like Diaw who can contribute in many ways.

However, I don't think he's much more than a PF. Though he has played the positions in the past, I think he's best suited to play as a SF/PF who spreads the floor but still gets rebounds and boxes outs.

[docend24]

Wow , I hope making fun of a old mans spelling make your day. People hear don't make fun or take shots at each other. You havn't had any positive input at all about the thread so attack a old man . I hope that makes you feel real smart. Thank you for telling me how stupid i am . This is Bobcatsplanet not Real GM . We try to respect each other around hear.
:facepalm:
Man, YOU are the native speaker here.
For your information, I bet I'm a fan of Bobcats longer than you. And if it would be better for you this way - take it as my attempt not to ruin my written english (or something like that) by reading such a spelling.

:shrug:

Edit: typoes

[docend24]

:hysterical:

Man I reread my post 3 times trying to find that!

No problems.

CTRL+F is our friend :biggrin:

[BRNC]

Look...I have to go back and correct my spelling all the time...my brain works much faster than the fingers on the keyboard...just be nice about it...and I knew he meant "length" the first read-through...:p

[teej]

:facepalm:
Man, YOU are the native speaker here.
For your information, I bet I'm a fan of Bobcats longer than you. And if it would be better for you this way - take it as my attempt not to ruin my written english (or something like that) by reading such a spelling

docend, please back off. He's posted multiple times that he has actual issues with grammar and such. If you couldn't tell what he was saying, then there's another problem. And he's been a season-ticket holder for awhile, if not since the beginning. I don't think you wnat to take him on about fandom. Just let it go, ok? I don't want this to get ugly. We know what he means, and we don't need to make an issue out of it.

[SWedd523]

dav is one of the most longtime contributors to this site and has earned the fact that his opinion is one of the most appreciated. I understand you aren't a regular here as much as you are on RGM, but it's one thing to have trouble with grammar, its another to be a total dick and call him out on it.

[davcbow]

:facepalm:
Man, YOU are the native speaker here.
For your information, I bet I'm a fan of Bobcats longer than you. And if it would be better for you this way - take it as my attempt not to ruin my written english (or something like that) by reading such a spelling.

:shrug:

Edit: typoes

You would do better to listen to dav7z's opinions than to make fun of a misspelled word because he knows what he is talking about. I myself would have tons of misspelled words if it wasn't for spell check....:cool: