Opening Night: Charlotte Bobcats at Boston Celtics 10/28

[ziggy]

Wednesday night, the long off-season will finally be over.

:clapping:

We'll be opening up against the universally despised ( at least around here ) Boston Celtics. The Celtics will be coming off of a tough game against Lebron and the Cavs the night before, so its likely that they may come into the game without being completely focused on the Cats.

Things to look for this game are:

* The health and conditioning levels of Diaw and Chandler. Missing most of the preseason, are they going to be fit enough to get up and down the court like LB needs them to?
* Alexis Ajinca. His minutes dropped significantly over the last few preseason games, How much playing time is he going to get now that the games count.
* Gerald Henderson's FG% - He managed to shoot around 50% in the preseason by focusing on drives and his midrange game. Can he continue that?
* DJ Augustin -vs- Kevin Garnett... Kevin Garnett operates by finding the smallest guy on the court then choosing that guy to focus his nonstop yapping on. Note to Kevin: Just shut the f*** up and play ball.


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/hate-boston-white-1.jpg


ILBIT!!!

[davcbow]

LOL I hear ya Ziggy.... GO BOBCATS!!!!!

[ohara831]

Boston plays in Cleveland tonight, then must travel home to host us tomorrow. And they also dont have Big Baby. Considering we match up well with them and they will be coming in on the back end of a back to back having just played King James and Shaq, I think we have a good shot at winning.

[ND22]

I'm excited. Is the game going to be on FSN? Thats about the only channel I can get the Bobcats on down here in Wilmington.

[teej]

We'll be opening up against the universally despised ( at least around here ) Boston Celtics.

Not universally.

But I'll be rooting for the 'Cats tomorrow, and a double OT win for the Celtics tonight.

Diaw should be fine, TC I'm worried about, and Perkins will test him.

Nazzy is a big factor against Sheed, since I think they'll use him at center.

Stevie Wonder has to matchup well with Ray Allen, and I don't think he will.

Ray should hold Rondo in check.

If we want to win, it's up to Crash and Boris.

[davcbow]

I watched that game tonight Boston @ Cleveland and I think we are going to have our hands full tomorrow night, I pray that the Celtics are going to be very tired against us because they looked very good tonight...
Go Bobcats!:cool:

[Keetch]

To have Rasheed Wallace and Kevin Garnett on the court together just isn't fair.

[spectre]

Bobcats win 106 to 88.

Crash - 20 pts 11 boards
TC - 14 pts 12 boards 6 blocks
Boris - 12 pts 10 boards 10 assists
Hulk Jr - 8 pts 3 boards
Felton 12 pts 11 assists 3 steals 3 boards

DJ - 22 pts 4 assists
Hendo -12 pts 4 boards

[ohara831]

Bobcats win 106 to 88.

Crash - 20 pts 11 boards
TC - 14 pts 12 boards 6 blocks
Boris - 12 pts 10 boards 10 assists
Hulk Jr - 8 pts 3 boards
Felton 12 pts 11 assists 3 steals 3 boards

DJ - 22 pts 4 assists
Hendo -12 pts 4 boards

WOW! You're not just calling a blowout win for us, but also Boris to land the first Bobcat "Triple-Double". That is the "Balls of Steel" call of the day!

[Muttley]

Note to Kevin: Just shut the f*** up and play ball.
Actually, Ziggy, I say "Keep on Yappin' Kevin," because it's not gonna help him play any better and it'll fire up DJ.

GO 'CATS!

I'm soooo excited for the season to start.

[dav7z]

Boston roster
http://www.nba.com/celtics/roster/
Bobcats roster

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/roster?team=Cha
It's a winable game . Though tough,

Im just guessing
Felton = Rondo
Graham = Allen
Wallace= Perice
Diaw= Garnett'
TC= Wallace
In ordor to pull this out our beanch needs to come through big.
2nd night of a back to back . If we can ware them down we stand a good chance.

[MattD]

Bobcats win 106 to 88.

Crash - 20 pts 11 boards
TC - 14 pts 12 boards 6 blocks
Boris - 12 pts 10 boards 10 assists
Hulk Jr - 8 pts 3 boards
Felton 12 pts 11 assists 3 steals 3 boards

DJ - 22 pts 4 assists
Hendo -12 pts 4 boards

fantasy land my friend

[spectre]

Hey...it could happen! :p

New Bobcats: Brown's second Charlotte team is constructed more to his personal liking (http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2009/oct/28/browns-second-charlotte-team-is-constructed-more-t/sports/)

Nothing new really, mainly just a synopsis of how we got from last year's training camp to now. One quote that stands out:


"Coach (Dean) Smith came last year to the first couple practices, and he didn't think we'd win the ACC," Brown said. "I think he was probably right. I think this team is a little better than we were at the beginning of last year."This is the looooonnnngggeestt day ever! We might get smoked tonight (nah, we're going to kick their green asses), but I don't care. Just seeing the 'Cats taking the floor is good enough for me.

[dav7z]

After looking at thease match ups
I think we might be able to play DJ and Felton a lot tonight
DJ at 6 ft and Rondo at 6.1 should match up well. Not much strenth difference
Felton at 6.1 and Allen at 6.5 should match well too. Felton having a edge in strenth and speed and Allen slight edge in size.

Wallace 6.7 220 Perice 6.7 235 Perice has a shooting advantage. Wallace has a speed adventage

All three match ups are hard to call?? THOUGHTS

Diaw 6.8 Wallace 6.10 One thinks at first Wallace has a advantage. But Boris is in side and out a tough cover for Wallace . Wallace gets mad quickly against us . I think due to Browns coaching

KG 6.11 has a big scoring edge . But a 7.1 TC could get into his head if he can stay out of foul truble.

I think the beanches decide this game in the end . Nazz, Henderson , Lexy, and Graham will be key.

Thoughts on how you think thease guys match up .

[spectre]

Problem being if we're playing DJ & Felton together most likely DJ will have to try and keep Rondo out of the paint....which last year was a big weakness of his. Also, that puts Felton on Allen...and HIS biggest defensive weakness was sticking with jump shooters (see Ben Gordon, last Bulls' game).

I think this is one of the games where we can't go small with the guards. Give Hendo the burn IMO.

[BRNC]

spectre I agree...I think even if LB starts Stevie he's out in 5 with 2-3 fouls...Hendos gotta learn quickly how to guard these guys and the sooner the better IMO...

[SCBobcat]

Buck foston!

[dav7z]

Problem being if we're playing DJ & Felton together most likely DJ will have to try and keep Rondo out of the paint....which last year was a big weakness of his. Also, that puts Felton on Allen...and HIS biggest defensive weakness was sticking with jump shooters (see Ben Gordon, last Bulls' game).

I think this is one of the games where we can't go small with the guards. Give Hendo the burn IMO.

I forgot about Rondo getting into the paint at will. It would be much better if Felton could guard Rondo. Penatration and kicking it out is how Rondo killed us last year. Its way too much fire power to dubble on any one. Browns commets about bringing Henderson along slowly made me think of that match up.
If Brown plays a small back court DJ has to stop penatration.
Agreeded Spectre i would prefer to give Hendo the burn too.

[G-Force for MVP]

question-- Is murray ready for tonight or is he still hurting?

[teej]

question-- Is murray ready for tonight or is he still hurting?

Out as far as I know...

[Keetch]

Celtics home opener should compensate for their back-to-back.

We're gonna get smoked. The Celtics are one f'in good team. And damn I hate saying that.

...but FTC anyway. I just hope we give it a good show; but honestly I have no love or trust at all for the "games" of some of our critical players:

Radman
Diop
Nazr
Graham

I don't think LB trusts Ajinca, so he's likely a non-factor (surprise me Coach!). UPS will have all he can do to keep up, IF LB gives him any burn.

So other than DJ and Hendo (who definitely should be starting); that's our depth.

pffffttttt. That's why I'm having difficulty getting too excited about the team this year. I'm hoping for a big surprise though; and promise not to be a fair-weather fan. Has this team seen any fair-weather?

[Keetch]

Oh and I think the games in HD! Should be Time Warner Channel 591 in the Triad. NBA in HD is a beautiful thing....really enjoyed TNT last night; even tho it was the same old big market teams that "almost" no one cares about :P

[spectre]

Oh and I think the games in HD! Should be Time Warner Channel 591 in the Triad. NBA in HD is a beautiful thing....really enjoyed TNT last night; even tho it was the same old big market teams that "almost" no one cares about :P

LOL, right now NBA League Pass is FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only FSN has the Charlotte game blocked out in my area. Pretty damn sad when the whole world can watch the Bobcats but some of us can't. On the flip I can watch every team in the league play EXCEPT the Bobcats!

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

[Raleigh_Cats_Fan]

Same here....I can watch every team in the NBA except the team that is in North Carolina. Absolutely maddening.

[davcbow]

Thats their way of trying to suck the money out of our pockets....:cool:

[Raleigh_Cats_Fan]

Found the game!

Try this link at 7:30 PM

http://channelsurfing.net/watch-nba-5.html

[ammofan]

YES finally the season is here! I cant wait for this to get started and I really feel that we are going to win tonight! Boston has to be tired after playing their first game away againest the Cavs and having to travel home and have to play us tonight!
Lets get goinggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My predictions:

CHA-
Crash 23 pts 8 rebs
Augustin 15 pts 8 ast
Diaw 12 pts 9 reb

BOS-
Allen 20 pts
Pierce 18 pts 9 rebs
KG 17 pts 10 rebs

WOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BIGCatBobcat]

Fresh, fresh legs, young players vs old, 2nd night of a back to back? Better start hot. I'm looking forward to this so much I'm giddy. I have nothing else. Just excitement!

[TheBeagle]

Boy, these game threads are a sight for sore eyes. Even though my outlook for the season is equivalent to Keetch's, I too am still looking forward to the season and hope for the best.

I think we've got as good a chance to beat the Cs as any time we'll have this year, but I'm still not expecting a win by any means. After all, starting Steve Graham doesn't instill much confidence I have to say....

But, hey, Larry's talking to our very own Steve Martin on the pregame, so, I'll be damned, the season really is here!

GO CATS!!!

[bozzy]

Found the game!

Try this link at 7:30 PM

http://channelsurfing.net/watch-nba-5.html

I'm watching on NBA League Pass Broadband. They have a free preview right now and they aren't blacking out the game for me at least (although they probably should according to their rules).

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Go cats!!! Go cats!!!!

[millst2]

im on league pass also and it is blacked out for me, not sure how your getting the game.

shit pisses me off

[docend24]

The link above works (for me in Opera), only sound is messed up, picture is very good so far.

[Raleigh_Cats_Fan]

I'm watching on NBA League Pass Broadband. They have a free preview right now and they aren't blacking out the game for me at least (although they probably should according to their rules).\

blacked out for me

[dnbman]

Awkward pause at the Garden?

[Bobcat Matt]

im watching both feeds on nba league pass...gonna flip back and forth..i like to hear the opposing commentary of us

[rsxnova]

I cant believe Stevie is starting

[spectre]

I'm watching on NBA League Pass Broadband. They have a free preview right now and they aren't blacking out the game for me at least (although they probably should according to their rules).

I couldn't get it to work. It made me try and re-log in (it said I was already logged in) and then it would do the "redirect in 5 seconds" and send me back to the log in again.

I got the PStream link going. It's the Boston feed and it's not bad...buffering a little bit here at first.

[Ghost Kat]

Let's Go Cat's!!!!

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

I couldn't get it to work. It made me try and re-log in (it said I was already logged in) and then it would do the "redirect in 5 seconds" and send me back to the log in again.

I got the PStream link going. It's the Boston feed and it's not bad...buffering a little bit here at first.

To get through that you have to actually sign up for the free preview and it then will let you access it, but I still wasn't able to watch unfortunately. Fingers crossed for you though.

[dnbman]

To get through that you have to actually sign up for the free preview and it then will let you access it, but I still wasn't able to watch unfortunately. Fingers crossed for you though.

It just said blackout for me too. I'm not sure that's going to change for anyone. Why in the world would the game be blacked out though? If nothing else, it's the first Boston home game.

[rsxnova]

Good FT felts

[Ghost Kat]

I already want the bench to come in. It's good to finally be excited about back ups.

[Ghost Kat]

Felton

:facepalm:

[Walt Cronkite]

This might be a loooong season.

[millst2]

It just said blackout for me too. I'm not sure that's going to change for anyone. Why in the world would the game be blacked out though? If nothing else, it's the first Boston home game.

Yea i signed up thinking i would be able to watch the away games, but apparently that isnt the damn case. Can watch every other damn team in the league but the one that is in my own state.

fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccckkkkkkk kkkkk

[rsxnova]

Good ball security...

Screw the Stevie Wonder starter idea

[BIGCatBobcat]

Tough start. 4? turnovers? Not sure but it's frustrating. I'll tell you guys, for those that don't have access: the team is taking a hard look at online streaming like Portland has started. It's not the team, it's not the league, it's the cable carriers and all the way down to a local issue. It might be a time warner in an area, or comcast or whatever you've got. All you ca do is try to get it, email, call, write, show up at their place. $$ talks and celtics fans walk. It's going to be tough with Raja out. Steve Graham is not the answer, obviously but we have to find it. As i was typing Martin said 5 turnovers at the 7:20 mark ad TC has to have like 3 rebounds. Good defense, just wow and yikes on offense.

[rsxnova]

Stevie is trying to be Kobe. :facepalm:

[CTownSC]

what the hell are we doing out there

[rsxnova]

2 fouls on TC :mad:

[Ghost Kat]

Nazr!!!!!!!

:(

[rsxnova]

lol they dont make the call for us

[marino13882]

Refs call it on Tyson but not on KG, go figure.

Bobcats look sloppy early, need to settle down.

[rsxnova]

Refs call it on Tyson but not on KG, go figure.

Bobcats look sloppy early, need to settle down.

Welcome!

Refs are pissing on us

[Walt Cronkite]

You guys should not be complaining about being blacked out. Count your blessings.

[marino13882]

Welcome!

Refs are pissing on us
Thanks! Glad to be a part of the Bobcats forum!

[rsxnova]

Ah Shit, Sheed comes in and a tech is called.

[Ghost Kat]

Felton

:facepalm:

Again

:paddle:

[CTownSC]

A lot going on with our Jerseys but overall they look OK from afar

Don't need any more stripes or lines on them.

[marino13882]

I don't think Steven Graham has found a shot he doesn't like.

[BIGCatBobcat]

2 drinks with 3 mins left in the 1st? How are we only down by single digits? What's up with Marquis Daniels hair?

[rsxnova]

"Lebron Graham" gets a basket. Hendo should get some burn soon.

[millst2]

looks like okafor is starting tonight for the hornets. on a side note of course.:biggrin:

wonder if league pass will let me watch the game once it is over :) supposedly they do

[Double_Trouble]

We need to stop turning the ball over and rebound.

[Ghost Kat]

I don't think Steven Graham has found a shot he doesn't like.

He looks like Lebron James to shape and size... just not as big. No where near the talent level but he's pretending he's in his backyard and trying his new moves out.

[davcbow]

Slow start for the guys, then we start coming back, then Ray gets his 2nd foul, DJ comes in throws a bad pass....Come on guys get over the opening night jitters...Ray please hit the tech foul shots....:cool:

[rsxnova]

Hendo is coming in

[marino13882]

Damn double rims

[Ghost Kat]

Nazr wanted more PT....Well he still sucks IMO

[BIGCatBobcat]

somebody just knocked on my door, i opened the door, steven graham answers "buckets" and clanked one off the garbage can. I said "get that shit out of my house" he said "what? you can't pick it up?" and left

[rsxnova]

somebody just knocked on my door, i opened the door, steven graham answers "buckets" and clanked one off the garbage can. I said "get that shit out of my house" he said "what? you can't pick it up?" and left

This sums up his game so far. Stevie Should not take a shot before Wallace/Diaw/DJ

[marino13882]

I wonder what kind of orgasm Curry has when we play Golden State

[marino13882]

9 turnovers in the first quarter. :facepalm:

[spectre]

Tough start. 4? turnovers? Not sure but it's frustrating. I'll tell you guys, for those that don't have access: the team is taking a hard look at online streaming like Portland has started. It's not the team, it's not the league, it's the cable carriers and all the way down to a local issue. It might be a time warner in an area, or comcast or whatever you've got. All you ca do is try to get it, email, call, write, show up at their place. $$ talks and celtics fans walk. It's going to be tough with Raja out. Steve Graham is not the answer, obviously but we have to find it. As i was typing Martin said 5 turnovers at the 7:20 mark ad TC has to have like 3 rebounds. Good defense, just wow and yikes on offense.

No offense BCB, but that we're way past that excuse. We know the NBA mandates a higher fee for those outside the 75 mile radius.

Nice to know they're looking at online streams though. Hopefully they won't make that available to just those within that radius too.

[rsxnova]

Vladi going inside then geting screwed on D.

[marino13882]

Every time I hear them say Vlade, I think of Divac.:p

[rsxnova]

I sure as hell hope this is rust.

[davcbow]

Hedo looking good so far in his short time on court, Ray needs to settle down making too many mistakes early....:cool:

[Ghost Kat]

Every time I hear them say Vlade, I think of Divac.:p

Fuck Divac...The Hornets should have kept Kobe

[davcbow]

Fuck Divac...The Hornets should have kept Kobe

Kobe wouldnt sign with the Hornets and demanded a trade...:cool:

[CTownSC]

We're on track to score 60 points in the game...but hey, we're hangin in there

[teej]

8-1 Charlotte run since I came down and turned it on :D

and no Stevie while I've watched...hmmm.

[Ghost Kat]

Kobe wouldnt sign with the Hornets and demanded a trade...:cool:

He pulled a Ricky Rubio

[spectre]

Only down 6 early in the 2nd.

You guys are way too quick to jump off the cliff! :p

[BobcatsAllDay]

I like what I see from Nazr, finishing plays around the basket (as he should).

[dnbman]

We're on track to score 60 points in the game...but hey, we're hangin in there

Yeah, which makes me wonder: is that our defense keeping us in this, or is Boston just not really giving it their all yet?

I'm hoping for the prior, but I'm wondering if it's the latter.

[BobcatsAllDay]

Only down 6 early in the 2nd.

You guys are way too quick to jump off the cliff! :p

As with the players, fans are showing early nerves too.

[davcbow]

You guys that are all the time saying Nazr sucks dont know what youre talking about, he is playing a damn good game.....:cool:

[ziggy]

We've played like crap, but we have managed to cut the lead to 6. If we can manage to create some kind of offensive flow we're back in this.

[marino13882]

Hopefully we can fix our FT woes in this game.

Good layup by Crash.

All this team does is shoot 3s.(Boston)

[rsxnova]

Who would have thought we would be better without the offensive genius Graham.

[davcbow]

We've played like crap, but we have managed to cut the lead to 6. If we can manage to create some kind of offensive flow we're back in this.

I agree, we have to stop Boston's 3 point shooters better....:cool:

[spectre]

NICE extra pass from Boris to Crash!

[CTownSC]

Do we have a good cut man.

[marino13882]

Hopefully Raymond is okay.

Damn, KG fell right on him.

[teej]

Ray down...he looks pissed.

[ziggy]

Raymond is down :o

[rsxnova]

Looks like DJ for the rest of the game. Lets hope its not to bad.

[spectre]

Looks like DJ for the rest of the game. Lets hope its not to bad.

What are they saying? I have no sound an a choppy video.

[teej]

With 5:18 left in the 2nd, we've scored more than we did in all the first...

[teej]

What are they saying? I have no sound an a choppy video.

It seems like he hurt his mouth, that's what they're saying...

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Aghhh think he might have knocked some teeth out? And what was with that little kid staring at him in shock 3 feet away?

[ziggy]

beautiful pass by DJ

[rsxnova]

What are they saying? I have no sound an a choppy video.

Sorry for the lack of clarity. It looks like Ray busted his lip or bit his tounge on the way down. He will be back after stiches. Im glad it wasnt his back.

[marino13882]

Felton will be back in, just getting stiches

[Ghost Kat]

You guys that are all the time saying Nazr sucks dont know what youre talking about, he is playing a damn good game.....:cool:


What!!!

:liar:

[BIGCatBobcat]

KG looked like he sat on him. I swear it looked like he was worried about Ray getting up and he pancaked him to the floor face first, which i'm sure wasn't his intent but come on.

[dnbman]

Starting center for the Kings: Sean may.

[rsxnova]

Starting center for the Kings: Sean may.

You have to be shiting me :o

[teej]

Starting center for the Kings: Sean may.

Dear God...Kings #1 pick?

And can we defend the 3pt shot? Or dribble penetration? It's like Phil Jacksons "Brokeback Mountain Game"

[rsxnova]

Dear God...Kings #1 pick?

And can we defend the 3pt shot? Or dribble penetration? It's like Phil Jacksons "Brokeback Mountain Game"

God i wish we could trade for Kevin Martain

[Ghost Kat]

Starting center for the Kings: Sean may.

Lies....all Lies

[davcbow]

If we could hit the bucket we would be tied if not winning...:cool:

[CTownSC]

We can't play much worse on the Offensive end than we did in the 1st half

Time for some adjustments coach.

[Ghost Kat]

I might have mentioned this before but I fucking hate Ray Allen.

[Walt Cronkite]

If we could hit the bucket we would be tied if not winning...:cool:

I wish someone would've predicted our offensive ineptitude...

[dnbman]

Lies....all Lies

Shocking, but seemingly true.

Unless the C stands for cupcakes.

[ziggy]

Interesting halftime stat: Raymond, DJ, Gerald 2.0 and Stevie Wonder are shooting a combined 3/16 from the field :facepalm:

[ziggy]

I might have mentioned this before but I fucking hate Ray Allen.

:yeahthat:

[teej]

I wish someone would've predicted our offensive ineptitude...

Gerald, Boris and Nazzy are 50%. Ray and Vladi are 33%. I could take that. DJ needs to step it up, he's 0-2. Stevie needs to stay on the bench, I think without him, we'd be a lot closer.

And why the hell isn't TC taking shots?

And kat, Nazzy is on pace for a double double...

[Walt Cronkite]

TC isn't taking shots because he doesn't have an offensive game. He's effective in the pick and roll and finishing offensive boards.

I'm just glad the Celtics aren't bringing their best game against us, eh Teej?

[dnbman]

Okafor currently winning the battle against Matt Bonner, but his team is getting jacked up by SA.

[davcbow]

Boy things must really be bad in Sacramento with May as the starting C... Or was it their coach said Sean since you weigh so much youre gonna play center..:biggrin:

[teej]

TC isn't taking shots because he doesn't have an offensive game. He's effective in the pick and roll and finishing offensive boards.

I'm just glad the Celtics aren't bringing their best game against us, eh Teej?

So why haven't we tried getting him any pick and rolls? Not something any of you can answer...

And they really aren't...I'm worried if we play like this all season.

[Ghost Kat]

Felton better be happy Sean May never fell on him like that.....he would basically be a chalk outline

[Walt Cronkite]

Okafor currently winning the battle against Matt Bonner, but his team is getting jacked up by SA.

SAS went on an 18 point run or something. Armstrong is -14 in 6 minutes played, Bobby Brown -17 in 8 mins.

[Walt Cronkite]

So why haven't we tried getting him any pick and rolls? Not something any of you can answer...

And they really aren't...I'm worried if we play like this all season.

We would probably run more pick and rolls if he set a screen that was legal or didn't have foul problems, two things that were predictable, btw.

[dnbman]

SAS went on an 18 point run or something. Armstrong is -14 in 6 minutes played, Bobby Brown -17 in 8 mins.
Yeah, Okafor is actually +1.

[rsxnova]

Who is the Kid wearing an oldschool Okafor jersey?

[teej]

We would probably run more pick and rolls if he set a screen that was legal or didn't have foul problems, two things that were predictable, btw.

That's why LB has been spending a ton of time with him, right?

[Walt Cronkite]

I fucking hope so, he looks awful.

[spectre]

http://www.atdhe.net/7458/watch-charlotte-bobcats-vs-boston-celtics

Don't think that one is skipping as bad...and it has sound.

[rsxnova]

Orlando is beating the living hell out of Philly :D

[rsxnova]

Felton had wood chips taken out of his lip.

[spectre]

Orlando is beating the living hell out of Philly :D

Then obviously their season is shot to shit just like ours is...at least judging by the over reaction in here. :cool:

[ziggy]

somebody guard Ray Allen... please

[Walt Cronkite]

Then obviously their season is shot to shit just like ours is...at least judging by the over reaction in here. :cool:

You have seen something encouraging? Is it that the Celts aren't taking us seriously (right, teej?) but are still blowing us out? Is it our lockdown defense?

[teej]

15 stiches for Ray...geez.

And no, the Celts aren't even running up and down. Then again, neither are we.

[spectre]

You have seen something encouraging? Is it that the Celts aren't taking us seriously (right, teej?) but are still blowing us out? Is it our lockdown defense?

Well we'd gotten to within 3 or 5 until our starting PG went down and we started Stevie Graham at the 2.

But by all means...dive right off the cliff! It's the Celtics after all...we should be up 20 by now!

[rsxnova]

somebody guard Ray Allen... please

Maybe we could try puting a SG on him :g:

[davcbow]

We are playing like we are scared of them.... Taking too many perimeter shots, too many post ups, GO TO THE PAINT GUYS, TO THE PAINT......:(

[Robertpel9]

STH here, I thought the preseason games i went to were bad but this is terrible. Outside of GW we are just sucking as bad as anything I saw last year. I won't overreact to the 1st game but i think we are in for a tough season

Chandler had Chris Paul - He won't here and Nazzy has played better in everything I have watched year to date and that is sad - it's also great to pay Diop millions to sit and do nothing

Diaw must still be recovering and getting into shape as he is MIA

Wallace is playing like a man possessed - thank God we have a player with heart

DJ outside of 1 preseason game has been off to me so far - hoping he gets back into it soon

Felton is Felton with the goods and bads that come with it but he is giving the usual effort - tough as nails

I wish we would just play Henderson and see what he really is going to be able to do. Graghm is not going to do anything and murray is not available so just play henderson please

Anyway just one guys initial thoughts - i think we will be taking a step backwards this year not forward and that is not just base don this game but our off and preseason actions

[spectre]

Graham's been pretty much a train wreck hasn't he? Maybe LB outta try something else.

[Ghost Kat]

I want to turn this game off

:facepalm:

[Robertpel9]

If it wasnt for Wallace we would be down 40 by now

will we score 60 points tonight

[rsxnova]

Me need to trade for a scorer.

[jdub28]

I want to turn this game off

:facepalm:

At least you can watch it. I've already seen Emeka Okafor on my TV more times this season than the last 2 combined. :facepalm:

[davcbow]

This is getting embarrassing 62-33......:(

[spectre]

This is what happens when we don't have a vet leader on the floor. Sure Raja looked bad shotwise in the preseason...but when he's on the court we don't get shell shocked like this.

[MattD]

i can only laugh.

[Walt Cronkite]

Well we'd gotten to within 3 or 5 until our starting PG went down and we started Stevie Graham at the 2.

But by all means...dive right off the cliff! It's the Celtics after all...we should be up 20 by now!

I had low expectations when we did nothing to upgrade our primary issue, an inability to score efficiently. I don't see how citing Graham's pt is relevant, what did you expect would happen without Raja. I know we both love him and knew how bad things look when he isn't on the floor.

[Robertpel9]

PLEASE start Henderson so at least we are getting something out of the SG minutes and I can't believe I am typing this but bring Okafor back - Chandler is going to be a non factor for us - just a financial move clearly not basketball

[amour217]

This team is playing like they have to take one of those horrible mid-morning coffee-enduced craps, but they're trying to pinch it in until they can go home, so they're mindlessly going through the motions, trying not to let others see them have the imminent-dookie-sweats

[MattD]

were scared to shoot the fucking ball

[Ghost Kat]

We probably have more techs then bench points

[ziggy]

Down by 30 and Tyson gets t'ed up... Good Times.

[Robertpel9]

What is the lowest score posted by a team in NBA history??

[teej]

What is the lowest score posted by a team in NBA history??

IDK, but ours is 60 I think.

[jdub28]

What is the lowest score posted by a team in NBA history??

I keep forgetting it's the 3rd quarter.

[amour217]

I bet right now a team consisting of a cinder block, 3 midgets, and a Charlie Daniels impersonator could drop 90 on us

[Ghost Kat]

Just horrible...........

[teej]

UPS is playing ok...TC looks horrible.

[ziggy]

What is the lowest score posted by a team in NBA history??

49 points Heat -vs- Bulls several years back

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/04/11/archive/main13204.shtml

[Ghost Kat]

Well.....81 more games to go.

[Walt Cronkite]

49 points heat -vs- bulls several years back

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/04/11/archive/main13204.shtml

yes. We. Can!

[amour217]

DJ's rockin a Quadruple-Single tonight: 1 point, 1 rebound, 1 PF, 1 assist

[jdub28]

I bet right now a team consisting of a cinder block, 3 midgets, and a Charlie Daniels impersonator could drop 90 on us

Holding the Cs to below 70 points isn't bad, its the fact that we only scored 7 points since half time that makes me wish we scouted some cinder blocks.

[Robertpel9]

If i was GW i would kick my entire teams ass outside of Felton who is at least trying. The rest of them should refund my season ticket money now

Chandler looks TERRIBLE an I don't personally see it getting a whole lot better in his case. CP used to make life happen for him - we dont have a person to do that therefore i think he will suck

Our ONLY hope and its not likely is bell recovers fast and finds his shot again in the process. When we lost him at the end of last season we looked almost this bad. Let's hope for a miracle recovery

[Ghost Kat]

The rookies have looked pretty good so far. Derrick Brown has already dunked on someone in his 1st NBA game and Gerald Henderson looks extra ready to get his too.

[Robertpel9]

Holding the Cs to below 70 points isn't bad, its the fact that we only scored 7 points since half time that makes me wish we scouted some cinder blocks.


There is still a quarter left we are NOT playing good defense either. in fact it is terrible

[ziggy]

It's looking kind of bleak fellas,
I'm going to have to resort to some GOOD LUCK NATASHA HOTNESSS!!!!


http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/teejhoyt92/n36600234_34553850_7537.jpg

[Robertpel9]

The rookies have looked pretty good so far. errick Brown has already dunked on someone in his 1st NBA game and Gerald Henderson looks extra ready to get his too.


Same as the preseason - the rookies have been doing well - the regulars have not

[spectre]

I had low expectations when we did nothing to upgrade our primary issue, an inability to score efficiently. I don't see how citing Graham's pt is relevant, what did you expect would happen without Raja. I know we both love him and knew how bad things look when he isn't on the floor.

Becuz Graham's pretty much sucked this game?

Raja was healthy when you were voicing those low expectations...so of course Graham's PT is relevant from that perspective. Are you saying I should have just taken the arsenic when Raja went down?

I'm not bitter about the Mek/TC trade. I didn't care one way or the over on AI. I don't have any "I told you so" posts to back up and defend. I'm not a pessimistic type of guy when it comes to the Bobcats.

Too bad you're so negative.

[spectre]

Only thing I'm REALLY pissed off about is this crappy feed I've been dealing with all night.

[Walt Cronkite]

Come on Spectre, don't be a grumpy gus. I live for moments to rub in "I told you so"'s.

I think we're both really disappointed. It's the first game of the season and I can't imagine things get much worse. I just hope we don't make a trade that sends out another beloved player for the sake of change, which is what I think happened this summer.

[Robertpel9]

I am not really pissed as with the Bobcats I don't expect much so my fun comes from going to games and having those handful of nights a year where we pull off an upset and party like we won a title


Having said that lets hope this night is not a sign of what to expect regularly - although we lost a lot last year we were competitive in most games i went to (all home games from dec on), while i don't expect much, i don't accept being on par with the clippers, etc

[Ghost Kat]

I think TC will play better once he's been on the court more and gets in better shape. Same for Diaw. Wallace as always has been a beast. Nazr has racked up numbers but hasn't effected the game in any way what so ever. And Felton lost a fight with a wooden floor....Damn....81 more games 2 go.

[Robertpel9]

GW still playing like it is a 1 point game - thank god we have him at least

[Robertpel9]

that was great helpside defense LOL

[ziggy]

Wow. During that timeout, LB got waist deep into DJ's ass :o

[Mustachio]

chill out. We're playing the Celtics at their home opener after they just beat the Cav's.

[spectre]

Come on Spectre, don't be a grumpy gus. I live for moments to rub in "I told you so"'s.

I think we're both really disappointed. It's the first game of the season and I can't imagine things get much worse. I just hope we don't make a trade that sends out another beloved player for the sake of change, which is what I think happened this summer.

LOL dude, Slam and I went thru over a month of nothing but losses in the old Bobcatsfans game threads! This don't faze me much at all. Of course I want to win...but I'm not foolish enough to think it was going to go smooth as silk from the first minute our guys hit the floor.

As I just said, the only thing that's got me by the short hairs is trying to follow the game thru continuous buffering.

I don't think Mek was that "beloved". The team is bigger than any player...and even tho LB didn't say it was a TOTAL basketball decision it appears he likes TC's skillset over Mek's.

And that's good enough for me.

[rsxnova]

Brown is earning some minutes.

[spectre]

I think TC will play better once he's been on the court more and gets in better shape. Same for Diaw. Wallace as always has been a beast. Nazr has racked up numbers but hasn't effected the game in any way what so ever. And Felton lost a fight with a wooden floor....Damn....81 more games 2 go.

Oh nooooooooo. We'll never play any better than this first game.

It's been decided! :p

[amour217]

Wow. During that timeout, LB got waist deep into DJ's ass :o

I feel bad for his dry cleaner

[spectre]

I feel bad for his dry cleaner

LOL that's just sick!

+1

[Ghost Kat]

Brown is earning some minutes.


After seeing what the starters have done this is a Sean May sized understatement

[teej]

WTF is Graham doing??

[Ghost Kat]

WTF is Graham doing??


I told ya'll He thinks he's in his back yard

[spectre]

WTF is Graham doing??

I know LB is comparing him to Lynch...but he chucks waaaayyy more than Lynch ever thought of doing. I can't see the love affair lasting very long.

[teej]

We made 50!!!!

[ND22]

Just got back from the library, and i'm a little shocked, I knew it wouldn't be an easy game, but 76-50 right now? Those 10 3 pointers haven't helped.

[ALuhrs704]

man this was tough to watch, but the guys still need to gel. and chandler obviosuly needs to get back into the flow of the game...... i like watching mek on espn right now. doin alot better than tyson.......... but i know it takes time. im liking what henderson does on the court as well. i expect much better at time warner cable arena friday

[catsandheels]

great where shitty again

[amour217]

sure, our team played like crap tonight....BUT look at Crash and our rookies...they're like the chunks of corn

[rsxnova]

At least we have a better record than Cleveland:biggrin:

[Robertpel9]

sure, our team played like crap tonight....BUT look at Crash and our rookies...they're like the chunks of corn


LOL - no way to put it better

[Ghost Kat]

sure, our team played like crap tonight....BUT look at Crash and our rookies...they're like the chunks of corn


That corn is worthless since it's covered in shit.

We have to play better......

[Ghost Kat]

What's wrong with your Jam Box ( Radio)

:shrug:

It doesn't does have Beer in it!!!!
Really?...Is that what wrong with my radio...It's not filled with beer...What kinda drunk do I have to be to get upset cuz my radio isn't filled with Beer


:facepalm:

[rsxnova]

At least we have a highlight.

[Robertpel9]

We set a record too, franchise low of 59 pts

[SirBobcat]

a crap burger on opening night...awesome...

[Ghost Kat]

We set a record too, franchise low of 59 pts

There's always a bright side :biggrin:

[davcbow]

Well that game sucked....A new all time low in points scored 59... ewe got no where to go now but up....:cool:

[davcbow]

Did Lexy get a highlight of the game in this game?

[catsandheels]

defense dosnt seem to be our problem beside the 3s we gave up but face it ray allen is probly one of the best three point shooters of all time. What we need is a scorer. It took us more than 4 quarters to break 50 in my book that unacceptable. We need to play better, take care of the ball better and take better shots. I wasnt impressed with tyson at all tonight. We took a gamble on that trade ik but i think it is time to make one last move before we get to far deep into the season. We need a scorer. I just want a scorer. I mean i know its not like we got blown out by the timberwolves it was the freakin boston celtics, even cavs lost to them. We were supposed to lose anyway. We just looked horrible tonight. Jusr need a scorer that plays good d.

(tyson had 0 points mek has 14 points 10 rebounds...dammit u bob Johnson)

[teej]

Besides Lexy, UPS, Hendo, and Crash, we looked like shit.

If Stevie starts against NYK, I urge everyone to boo. That was awful. Man. Wow. I don't even know where to start my wrap.

[teej]

dammit u bob

:biggrin:

Yay for good grammar

Sorry, I need to pick on someone.

[davcbow]

(tyson had 0 points mek has 14 points 10 rebounds...dammit u bob Johnson)

I bet thats because cp3 feeding him the ball....:cool:

[ohara831]

Well, I guess maybe we should have found a way to sign Iverson.

I think maybe Okafor is laughing at us, too. Even if they lose, he's having a good game, and TC did not.

God, we looked pathetic.

[Walt Cronkite]

I bet thats because cp3 feeding him the ball....:cool:

LOL. Yea!!!

[rsxnova]

Larry said he was happy with Derek Andersons play???

[teej]

Larry said he was happy with Derek Andersons play???

"Derek Anderson" sounds a lot like "Gerald Henderson"

And Mek will not lead that team to the playoffs. And wouldn't have led us past the first round. Quit bitching over spilled milk that isn't actually spilled.

[ohara831]

Why are we not one of the teams talking about Jackson? My God, this team needs someone who can score points. Just pathetic tonight.

[teej]

Why are we not one of the teams talking about Jackson? My God, this team needs someone who can score points. Just pathetic tonight.

We've been rumored to be? But only a few members here want him (me being one...)

[Walt Cronkite]

"Derek Anderson" sounds a lot like "Gerald Henderson"

And Mek will not lead that team to the playoffs. And wouldn't have led us past the first round. Quit bitching over spilled milk that isn't actually spilled.

But swapping Chandler for Okafor was addition by subtraction because of how much better TC fit our team, I though.

[Scottley Crue]

Two good things about this game...
1 It's over
2 Nowhere to go but up

[rsxnova]

Why are we not one of the teams talking about Jackson? My God, this team needs someone who can score points. Just pathetic tonight.

Larry has to be thinking about it.

[Walt Cronkite]

We're just tanking for Ed Davis

[teej]

But swapping Chandler for Okafor was addition by subtraction because of how much better TC fit our team, I though.

He does fit our team better, if only for the fact that LB likes him, and LB is God. Look, you're a stat geek. Mek put up stats. I understand you're going to like him for that. But He isn't what LB wants for the type of team we're running, so I'm fine with him being gone. Though the fact that we effectively traded Mek for exprinings, I don't like. And our cap savings are good, too, if it gets BJ out.

[Walt Cronkite]

He does fit our team better, if only for the fact that LB likes him, and KB is God. Look, you're a stat geek. Mek put up stats. I understand you're going to like him for that. But He isn't what LB wants for the type of team we're running, so I'm fine with him being gone. Though the fact that we effectively traded Mek for exprinings, I don't like. And our cap savings are good, too, if it gets BJ out.

What does Kobe have to do with anything?

How does he fit the team better? The argument was that he'd pick and roll better so it wouldn't matter that he had zero post moves. I tried to explain that the pick and roll will only be improved if Felton is more of a threat to score. Otherwise, teams just sag in on the pick and don't allow chandler to get his alleys. Also, Okafor was a bitch for not dunking enough and now Chandler seems to have the same problem.

[bozzy]

Yea i signed up thinking i would be able to watch the away games, but apparently that isnt the damn case. Can watch every other damn team in the league but the one that is in my own state.

I'm in SC so that is probably the difference, although in the past, we were considered part of the blackout area (even though we have never been able to see Bobcats games).

[BRNC]

Well...for me tonight it was Crash, Ray, UPS, and Hendo...I just hope the rest of the team shows up Friday...

[teej]

What does Kobe have to do with anything?

How does he fit the team better? The argument was that he'd pick and roll better so it wouldn't matter that he had zero post moves. I tried to explain that the pick and roll will only be improved if Felton is more of a threat to score. Otherwise, teams just sag in on the pick and don't allow chandler to get his alleys. Also, Okafor was a bitch for not dunking enough and now Chandler seems to have the same problem.

LB, typo. Sorry. But you know what I meant.

And TC is out of shape. He isn't to be expected to do everything in game one. If it's game 15 and we're having the same issues, then we can talk. But this was his second time on the court since last season. Give him a break...

[Walt Cronkite]

LB, typo. Sorry. But you know what I meant.

And TC is out of shape. He isn't to be expected to do everything in game one. If it's game 15 and we're having the same issues, then we can talk. But this was his second time on the court since last season. Give him a break...

I actually had no idea what you were talking about, like most of the times I read your posts. TC is out of shape, but he played in more preseason games than Okafor, who was getting tons of flack for taking care of his body... because that was somehow a bad thing.

[rsxnova]

We're just tanking for Ed Davis

What is with all the Ed Davis hype?

[BRNC]

Teej this game was embarrassing...and I do not put all the blame on the players...frankly I'm glad LB took the heat post-game because he deserved it...other than the four I mentioned earlier I feel like we had a bunch of guys trying to impersonate an NBA team...and even though this is my team and the team I will support I'm embarrassed by what I saw tonight...and damn any excuses...:paddle:

[teej]

Teej this game was embarrassing...and I do not put all the blame on the players...frankly I'm glad LB took the heat post-game because he deserved it...other than the four I mentioned earlier I feel like we had a bunch of guys trying to impersonate an NBA team...and even though this is my team and the team I will support I'm embarrassed by what I saw tonight...and damn any excuses...:paddle:

It was embarassing. But I'm not surprised is what I'm saying.

[BRNC]

Well I was...I did not expect us to win...but I really did not expect us to be embarrassed...:facepalm:

[KT#20]

I actually don't think Okafor's great night was due to the Chris Paul effect. The majority of his baskets came on post ups. Maybe, as a team, we didn't utilize him enough? Yeah, I agree with that.

[Walt Cronkite]

I actually don't think Okafor's great night was due to the Chris Paul effect. The majority of his baskets came on post ups. Maybe, as a team, we didn't utilize him enough? Yeah, I agree with that.

I disagree. I think we saw what Okafor was capable. The contribution is limited. He's still a strong center than is very good at defending the post who actually has a couple of post moves. Chandler is a help defender capable of guarding more agile players but at the expense of giving up pounds to legit centers and his post game is minimal because he gets his points from elite athleticism. That's all fine and dandy when he's healthy, but that hasn't been lately. Hopefully in a month or so he, Bell and Diaw are all good to go and things are clicking, but at this point, what does that accomplish? A 7th or 8th seed that takes a quick exit? A team that just misses the playoffs (and loses their draft pick in what is being called a deeper draft)?

[davcbow]

Come on guys we opened up against what looks to me to be the best team in the league tonight. We will bounce back, we have several players that aren't 100% yet, we had players with the first game of the season nerves, we will get better. Starting out the season against Boston was just a dagger to our sides sent to us by the people that make out the year to year schedules.... We will get better.....:cool:

[Walt Cronkite]

Franchise record for points not scored--we can't get realistically get worse.

[davcbow]

Sure we can we could score 58....:cool:

[Walt Cronkite]

You are a rascal!

[BRNC]

dav...I'd like to point out from the "nerves" standpoint that the two rooks (Hendo and UPS) both looked fine to me...

[rsxnova]

We will be fine, unless LB and Graham have Fox/Delhomme relationship.

[G-Force for MVP]

start hendo

[davcbow]

dav...I'd like to point out from the "nerves" standpoint that the two rooks (Hendo and UPS) both looked fine to me...

I knew somebody was going to say that before it was over, the vets had more to be nervous about where the rooks had nothing to compare it to, plus I think Hedo and UPS are probably better players coming into their first season than the others were....:cool:

[Walt Cronkite]

This is a good point. Graham can be cut at any point, we're less likely to just outright waive Brown or Henderson.

[Keetch]

Honestly, before this game I worried that we may be the worst team in the league. This game did nothing to give me any other assurance.

Now I'm thinking we may indeed get a very high draft pick this year; and give away the Lexy pick next year.

That's not just a reaction to a bad game. When I compare our personnel to other teams; I just don't see how we match up. We seriously lack NBA athleticism and talent. Except for Gerald Wallace, we have a roster full of role players and marginal back-ups.

Notice that Diop got no minutes? Not even scrub minutes (and there were plenty of those). FAIL.

I thought Lexy looked awkward as hell out there. He's not ready; and likely never will be.

DJ is small, not a great distributor and overmatched on defense. If he's not making shots; he's generally useless.

TC? sheesh. I've thought the trade was going to be okay. Now? Uhhhhh. I realize Chandler's out of shape, but my goodness was he clumsy. ACK. Now I'm thinking the Okafor-Chandler trade could cost us 10 wins.

Diaw just floats around, seems to have no purpose in his game, no role.

Crash is crash. He'll need to average 25 a game this year, but that won't happen. The Biscuit tried to get him to develop an outside shot; but LB stopped that. It's made GW one-dimensional and prone to forcing his drives. Stuff the middle and stop the Cats.

Anyways, maybe this year we'll finally get a great draft pick; though I'm still pissed at Walter Herrmann for costing us Kevin Durant :)

[davcbow]

Another thing to add to this is we are 1-5 on opening day.... Also it was a road game of which we are 49-157 over all....:cool:

[TheBeagle]

Erm. After an entertaining World Series Game 1 and an hour nap, I think I can comment more objectively on the game than before.

We suck balls.

No really, that was as bad as any Bobcats game I've ever seen. It may not have been the worst, but it was as bad as any of the worst that have come before. Obviously, it was an historic night of offensive ineptitude, but even the defense wasn't there most of the night. Apparently it doesn't matter the personnel; when you put on a Bobcats jersey, you are clueless on how to defend a goddam pick and roll, and how to communicate on switches!

The only happiness I got from watching the game was seeing Derrick get minutes and produce during those minutes on both ends of the court. Henderson looked fearful at times, passing up open shots, not driving to the basket, but Derrick was confident and smooth as hell out there, and only after one game is living up to the hype I and others here have built up around what a special player he will be down the line.

As far as I'm concerned everybody but Derrick (and at times Gerald) was worthless on the court. Effort (ie Raymond) is cool but that only goes so far when you can't hit a shot for shit or create for others without unforced TOs. Boris? There were glimpses, but overall, it wasn't happening. Graham? Please start Henderson from now on, Larry. And Chandler? Lexy was more of a factor, and looked no less confused than him. Yeesh...

I'm just happy Larry took the blame for the performance because, honestly, a lot of it is on him. No, he can't make the shots for the players, he can't keep the PGs from making ungodly unforced TOs out the yin yang, he can't outmatch the talent of the Celtics, but he can prepare a team to play a game, and this team wasn't prepared; like he admitted, they looked lost, and I expect a head coach of his caliber, who's had a training camp and 8 preseason games with this crew to do a better job of preparation than the group that was seen tonight. Conversely, having such a coach, while we may lose by 30 or more Friday, I'm sure it will be a prepared team that takes the court, and there will be an asschewing fest on the ride home and practice tomorrow.

[BobcatsAllDay]

If we had won this game by 20 I'm convinced we would have posts on this board stating we could finish in the top 5 in the east. It's like one game an everybody is going crazy. I was not thrilled with the game by no means but it's one game, it's over, next game please. We always seem to play well versus these guys just not tonight. It was just outright bad.

[BobcatsAllDay]

HA! How ironic they hit 11 3s and we hit zero....we lose by 33...:thumbdown:

[davcbow]

we are 1-5 on opening night if that helps ease the pain and plus it was in Boston...:cool:

[KT#20]

TC? sheesh. I've thought the trade was going to be okay. Now? Uhhhhh. I realize Chandler's out of shape, but my goodness was he clumsy. ACK. Now I'm thinking the Okafor-Chandler trade could cost us 10 wins.

Why is Chandler out of shape?

EO50 didn't log minutes in a single preseason game, but he poured in 18 and 10 last night. :g:

[spectre]

Why is Chandler out of shape?

EO50 didn't log minutes in a single preseason game, but he poured in 18 and 10 last night. :g:

Hmmm...think maybe it has something to do with him not being able to walk all summer made worse with him trying to play with injuries at the end of last season?

If you guys remember he was hobbling out on the court for the first week or two during preseason. I think it's a HUGE stretch to think he could sit for that long and then in 2 weeks suddenly be in prime form.

Mek might have been injured during training camp...but I assume he was healthy all summer and thus could work out. There's no comparison.

[ohara831]

If we had won this game by 20 I'm convinced we would have posts on this board stating we could finish in the top 5 in the east. It's like one game an everybody is going crazy. I was not thrilled with the game by no means but it's one game, it's over, next game please. We always seem to play well versus these guys just not tonight. It was just outright bad.

I know what you mean. But it is just about how very BAD we looked, not merely that we lost. We made only 23 shots. We had 23 fouls and 18 TO's. That is bad.