F*ck Bob Johnson

[Proudiddy]

Thanks for Tyson Chandler you dumb ass piece of sh*t...

Nazr looks better than Chandler. Okafor is playing well for New Orleans even though they're getting blown out right now too. If he can't get a lob for an alley-oop, Chandler has zer0 offense, and I mean zer0! Sure, he's been out awhile but no excuses, Okafor missed the entire preseason too and is playing well.

For Chandler to talk all that stuff about making the playoffs, he sure isn't doing his part. He was shooting 18-foot jumpers in this game, lol... SMH... Tonight was a big letdown.

I hope this move saved Big Dollar Bob enough money to build an equestrian course in his basement... Piece of sh*t.

I know it's one game, but let me vent guys... lol... Chandler's gotta step up.

[Walt Cronkite]

Come on man, he opened up the court for others in ways Okafor never dreamed of.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

jesus, chill, it's just his first game. the entire offense was out of synch

[Walt Cronkite]

We never scores so few points with Okafor on the roster.

[bozzy]

We never scores so few points with Okafor on the roster.

The Bobcats had plenty of games in the last few years where they couldn't score. This is nothing new.

[teej]

We never scores so few points with Okafor on the roster.

Okafor's gone. This is a defensive team. We aren't trying to score as much. If you are so wrapped up over Okafor, go be a New Orleans fan. If not, quit living in the past and try constructive criticism for once.

[Walt Cronkite]

The Bobcats had plenty of games in the last few years where they couldn't score. This is nothing new.

New all-time franchise low is nothing new?

[Walt Cronkite]

Okafor's gone. This is a defensive team. We aren't trying to score as much. If you are so wrapped up over Okafor, go be a New Orleans fan. If not, quit living in the past and try constructive criticism for once.

This was a defensive team with Okafor. We sure ought to be trying to score more, since we already had one of the lowest offensive ratings last season. I provide constructive criticism all the time, you just don't see it because of your deconstructive homerism.

[KT#20]

We could have used Okafor's 18 and 10 tonight. At least it would have been respectable.

[teej]

This was a defensive team with Okafor. We sure ought to be trying to score more, since we already had one of the lowest offensive ratings last season. I provide constructive criticism all the time, you just don't see it because of your deconstructive homerism.

Yet we scored more than the Larry Brown title team? No. We don't need to score more, we need to play more as a team. Okafor didn't do that. He was a selfish player. I can't really think of a player besides Graham thats selfish now. And constructive criticism is a positive way to fix things. You're still whining about Okafor. I'm looking to getting Captain Jack or someone else. That's what I'm talking about. And which one of us is getting bitched at by other members for being "deconstructive"? Not me. Sorry.

[KT#20]

This was a defensive team with Okafor. We sure ought to be trying to score more, since we already had one of the lowest offensive ratings last season. I provide constructive criticism all the time, you just don't see it because of your deconstructive homerism.

I agree.

A team ranked 7th in defense and dead last in offense does not need to go out and improve its defense (which it didn't, btw). Obviously, we needed offense; however, instead of getting better, we got sizable worse.

I can't help but think how this team would look with Mek still on it. But that's the life of a Bobcats' fan, right? A lot of "what if's". Take one step forward (post trade last season) and then one step back (Okafor/Chandler swap).

[Walt Cronkite]

Stephen Jackson is an awful idea, which is why I've stayed away from that thread. I know it's secluded here on BCP, but on Realgm we discussed that and had fans from GSW visit and chime in on how it was very likely one of the worst decisions we could make because Capn Jack would not mesh with Larry Brown and wants to play on a title contender, not a dark horse for the playoffs.

[KT#20]

I wouldn't just put blame on Bob Johnson, though. Bringing in Gana and, to a lesser extent, Vlad were horrific moves, and by all accounts, LB was behind those.

[teej]

Stephen Jackson is an awful idea, which is why I've stayed away from that thread. I know it's secluded here on BCP, but on Realgm we discussed that and had fans from GSW visit and chime in on how it was very likely one of the worst decisions we could make because Capn Jack would not mesh with Larry Brown and wants to play on a title contender, not a dark horse for the playoffs.

AI didn't mesh with LB at first, but they eventually got along, because AI saw that LB knew his shit (which some don't seem to understand). And if LB can handle AI, he can most certainly handle Capn Jack. And since Jack doesn't really get to choose where he plays now, it doesn't matter what he wants.

[Walt Cronkite]

Yet we scored more than the Larry Brown title team? No. We don't need to score more, we need to play more as a team.


Are you familiar with offensive rating? It's more valuable than points per game because it takes pace into consideration. LB's Piston team had an offensive rating of 102.0. Last years 'cats were at 104.7. Unfortunately, offensive rating and pace fluctuate from year to year because of stylistic changes, rules, etc. Due to this, LB's Pistons were 18th out of 29 teams as an offensive unit (and the 2nd best defense), while last years 'cats were the 27th of 30 teams as an offensive unit.

[Walt Cronkite]

I agree.

A team ranked 7th in defense and dead last in offense does not need to go out and improve its defense (which it didn't, btw). Obviously, we needed offense; however, instead of getting better, we got sizable worse.

I can't help but think how this team would look with Mek still on it. But that's the life of a Bobcats' fan, right? A lot of "what if's". Take one step forward (post trade last season) and then one step back (Okafor/Chandler swap).

I'm just happy we finally get to see what a duo of Okafor and Paul can accomplish.

[teej]

Are you familiar with offensive rating? It's more valuable than points per game because it takes pace into consideration. LB's Piston team had an offensive rating of 102.0. Last years 'cats were at 104.7. Unfortunately, offensive rating and pace fluctuate from year to year because of stylistic changes, rules, etc. Due to this, LB's Pistons were 18th out of 29 teams as an offensive unit (and the 2nd best defense), while last years 'cats were the 27th of 30 teams as an offensive unit.

Yes I am. And I think if we play more as a team, our ranking will go up. One of the great things about Gregg Popovich's championship teams, is that each player he looks at is valued more for his chemistry with other players than his skills on court. I think you could do well to look at that with Okafor. Okafor may score, but his kind of scoring didnt mesh with this team.

[BRNC]

Teej I'm going to differ with you on this by saying any scoring (at this point) would mesh with this team...LB pushed for the trades he pushed for and we have what we have because of that...and if this is our offensive "approach" (lack of a better term) it simply sucks...I know with many folks here it is not a good thing to question the wisdom of LB...but if this is what we have in store for the season...well...it sucks....

[Walt Cronkite]

Yes I am. And I think if we play more as a team, our ranking will go up. One of the great things about Gregg Popovich's championship teams, is that each player he looks at is valued more for his chemistry with other players than his skills on court. I think you could do well to look at that with Okafor. Okafor may score, but his kind of scoring didnt mesh with this team.

If you're actually familiar with offensive rating and not just typing that to save face, then what you wrote above becomes totally irrelevant since the Bobcats are NOT a better offensive team than the championship Pistons. Another great thing about Pop's Spurs are that they had Tim Duncan, arguably the best PF of all-time, depending on where you slot Karl and Moses Malone. He also benefitted from having a sick front office that drafted all stars like Manu Ginobilli and Tony Parker in the 2nd and late 1st round. How did Okafor's scoring not mesh with the team... seems like LB likes to post up his big guys, which Emeka was far more capable of than Chandler.

[millst2]

Well okafor did look good tonight, he was doing something we rarely saw him do in charlotte. And I agree Duncan is the best PF of all time, but then again us Wakeys stick together. Since my league pass was blacked out, and even the replay ( DVR feature) of it is blacked out as well ( which is gay since they dont even allow you to watch a rerun of the bobcats) I only watched the first half of the game tonight due to the feed being really choppy and shit for sound., and awful wasn't even the word.

Look at our boxscore. Man that shit is awful hahahaha.May playing tonight would have been the 5th highest scorer on our team tonight, lol. I realize TC needs to get his legs back but to me it didn't even seem like our guys were showing up at all.

Wallace was our only scorer to break double digits and that was barely. We need to make a trade for a playmaker, but I don't know if that can happen with all of our tradeable assets injured or playing like shit.

I do agree it is game 1, but we have always been pretty damn competitve with Boston and to get beat the hell up like that I just hope it doesn't cause long term mental issues with the team. We have a better team on paper over last year, we have a deeper bench, lets hope this was a fluke and we start playing like a team and making shots.

[TheBeagle]

As a voice of reason, I'll simply state we would've still had our asses handed to us were Mek still on our roster.

I'll less simply state that both Mek's old and new team's looked lost and generally pathetic against their respective, elite opponents tonight, so having a Mek V. Chandler discussion based on opening night results is remarkably dumb.

[millst2]

As a voice of reason, I'll simply state we would've still had our asses handed to us were Mek still on our roster.

I'll less simply state that both Mek's old and new team's looked lost and generally pathetic against their respective, elite opponents tonight, so having a Mek V. Chandler discussion based on opening night results is remarkably dumb.

Totally agree, I like the TC trade. But to me tonight it seems like once we went down 8-0 we started becoming deer in headlights. Let's hope Bell is able to play and TC and the rest start balling.

[tamburello]

After only one match, we cannot conclude that we've been screwed. I'm sure you don't mean if Okafor was here, we'd have scored more than 70.

From time to time, Okafor had such nice performances with us as well. But we all know he is very inconsistent. You people are sometimes very impulsive. Of course, I'm not happy with tonight's franchise low, but this happened because the great scorer Okafor is here no more?

Don't forget Chris Paul can even revive the dead men. They have it, we don't have one...

[Dcarnys]

As much as I agree with the Title of the thread, Remember it's one game. Maybe not a very good one but it's just one game. Let's not blame everything on TC.

[dav7z]

TC by his self is in no way responable for that mess.
Just to me may be no one else we looked way too slow geting into our sets. No one was moving without the ball . All most like a street game. This is not saying any one player is crap , its just the game.
DJ , didn't look ready to play . His shot sucked his defence looked like a high school player.Rondo drove on him at will. Once some one came over to pick up Rondo we was screwed.
TC , We all knew he wasn't a offencive player. Though he didn't look good . He showed a few flashes of rebounding.
Diew all so looked out of sink. Hes got to shoot the ball more along with Wallace.
Our biggist problem is we waiting too long to get a shot off. Causing TOs and very bad shots. The pace was was way too slow for us.

[KT#20]

After only one match, we cannot conclude that we've been screwed. I'm sure you don't mean if Okafor was here, we'd have scored more than 70.

I bet we would have.


From time to time, Okafor had such nice performances with us as well. But we all know he is very inconsistent. You people are sometimes very impulsive. Of course, I'm not happy with tonight's franchise low, but this happened because the great scorer Okafor is here no more?Okafor had 89 eighteen+ point performances for us in his career (330 games). Chandler has had 21 in his entire career (538 games). Okafor had 68 eighteen+ point and ten+ rebound performances in his career for us, while Chandler has had 16 in his entire career. The "inconsistent" tag applies to every player on our team. Even more so to Tyson Chandler. In reality, Okafor was probably our second most consistent player behind Wallace. And, yes, that franchise low did happen because Okafor is no longer here. He would have had to put the ball in the hole two times to save us from setting a new low, and I'm sure he would have.


Don't forget Chris Paul can even revive the dead men. They have it, we don't have one...Which is exactly why expecting Tyson Chandler to score more than 8 ppg here is unrealistic.

[dunnlx]

Opened wat up?

[dav7z]

http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=731

Brown blames L Brown

Brown seemed all most happy with TCs play . He did board ok in 20 mins of play.

Read the artical , A lot of the blame has to fall on Augustine , and dribble penatration.
Another note Felton is one tough SOB

Wallace played a good game and boarded well. But we need him shooting the ball more along with Diaw.


All wind feel out our sails when Felton went down.
DJs per was a -31 Felton was a -1 . DJ has work to do in this area still.

[BRNC]

I've said it before...I like DJ (on the other teams back-up PG) that at best he will be an average defender for his position...why I've never understood folks wanting to throw Ray under the bus...I'd rather see a better offensive scheme and other guys stepping up and making shots...but that's me....

[spectre]

Okafor is playing well for New Orleans even though they're getting blown out right now too.

Did he really do that well? I just went thru the play by play and noticed that he went 5 of 7 vs. the 6'6" rookie Blair and 3 of 7 vs. Duncan. Duncan also was outrebounding him pretty handily until the end of the game with less minutes.

I didn't see the game, so maybe the play by play doesn't paint the entire picture?

Sure he'd probably have helped last night...but hopefully the idea is it improve overall. That takes some work. Hell, Melvin Ely would probably have helped last night, but that doesn't mean I want him back on the team.

I should say that I think Mek should be better on the Hornets...they're a much better team than we are. If you put DJ or Felton on that squad I'd wager they'd look better too (tho of course not as good as Paul).

[tamburello]

Mr. KT #20;

I don't want to turn this conversation to a personal thing, but I believe you're behaving extremely impulsive. You have given some stats about their scoring performances, but I think you underestimated the roles of the players in the past.

Okafor was drafted as a franchise player, and until 2 years ago, he was treated as he is. He was thought to be a potential Tim Duncan (which seems now extremely hilarious, but even then, it was obvious to me that he's more like Alonzo Mourning), so he was encouraged to shoot. However, Tyson Chandler quickly proved that he's a retarded offensive player, so nobody gave him the ball unless he was absolutely unmarked below the rim.

I hate to talk by using stats, but I suspected about the fact I mentioned above and did a little research. My results are:

Emeka Okafor's field-goal attempt per game over his career: 11.18
Emeka Okafor's point per game over his career: 14.0

Tyson Chandler's field-goal attempt per game over his career: 5.58
Tyson Chandler's point per game: 8.2

After a simple calculation, we can see that Okafor scores 1.25 points after a field goal attempt, while Tyson scores 1.46! So both players have similar efficiencies on the offensive end (or should I say inefficiency) as Tyson has a little edge. Since both players suck at free throw line, this ratio gains more credibility I guess.

I'm not saying Chandler could have scored more if he had taken as many shots as Okafor. The critical point to me is the following: While he was with Hornets, Tyson has never tried to do what he was uncapable of and I'm sure Larry Brown won't force him to do things which he simply cannot do. That's why he'll be efficient on the offense (And I definitely don't expect him to score more than 8 PPG, but that's irrelevant). But Okafor was treated as somebody who he is not, and they will continue to do. That's why his efficiency might be high or low.

The very first matches would have proved you right, but don't be too surprised if things would turn around.

[Walt Cronkite]

Who thought Okafor was similar to Tim Duncan? That's the craziest thing I've ever read, whoever thought that deserves to be locked up. That said, I did immediately think his upside was Zo, which is not too shabby.

Anyway, I don't think Okafor makes much of a difference last night. What I'm disappointed in is that I was told over and over again how much better Chandler would make things. He was supposed to have an excellent motor and constantly set picks. He was supposed to only take shots he knew he would make, which were basically dunks. I knew he had a to problem, I knew that was due to offensive fouls in NO, so hopefully last nights illegal screens are just a symptom of not being in game shape yet. What worries me is that Tyson thought he'd try a 17 footer when he was open (despite being an awful ft shooter) and that he missed his four other shots while getting blocked once. Again, hopefully these issues are remnants of not having all of the rust removed yet, but I have my doubts.

[tamburello]

Who thought Okafor was similar to Tim Duncan? That's the craziest thing I've ever read, whoever thought that deserves to be locked up. That said, I did immediately think his upside was Zo, which is not too shabby.


I remember I heard some stuff back in time, however, I couldn't find any links that refer such thing. I agree with you anyway, Okafor was never Duncan-like.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. But I believe I made my point clear.

[Ampsportsduo]

This thread is beautiful. People acting crazy after one game, while others act smug and still others through their hands up in the air. It's shocking that someone who uses statistics to make themselves feel superior would be so willing to brag about such a small sample size.

[dnbman]

This thread is beautiful. People acting crazy after one game, while others act smug and still others through their hands up in the air. It's shocking that someone who uses statistics to make themselves feel superior would be so willing to brag about such a small sample size.

Amp, in this day and age, being first is better than being right. Get on the train.

[SWedd523]

Talent wise, Mek has the upside of Zo. But he'll never be anywhere near that good because Alonzo puts more dedication into his bowel movements than Mek does basketball.

[Muttley]

Talent wise, Mek has the upside of Zo. But he'll never be anywhere near that good because Alonzo puts more dedication into his bowel movements than Mek does basketball.

Mek never played "above the bowl."

[Dunk]

The Cavs are 0-2. Fuck...whoever own the Cavs.


Dude, one game. Let's not be Panicky Pete's. We could blow the Knicks out of the water tomorrow and we'll be sucking each other dicks and commenting on how great the Okafor/Chandler trade was. Let's get 15-20 games under belts and see where we are at.

[Muttley]

The Cavs are 0-2. Fuck...whoever own the Cavs.


Dude, one game. Let's not be Panicky Pete's. We could blow the Knicks out of the water tomorrow and we'll be sucking each other dicks and commenting on how great the Okafor/Chandler trade was. Let's get 15-20 games under belts and see where we are at.
Great call, let's look at this on the bright side. We are currently a game up on the Cavs in the loss column!

[spectre]

I can't imagine any Bobcat's fan wouldn't be disappointed after last night...but to even suggest that one game for TC could be a harginger of what it'll be like all season is VERY unrealistic.

That 17 footer. Didja know Chandler hit one of those in the last preseason game (or the one before)? When I went to the NOLA preseason game...that's the shot TC continually practiced, right at/in front of the FT line to the side. He has a good stroke. LB asks everyone to try and expand their game and I think that 17 footer is as good as any and probably better than most.

Him taking one or even two a game is something to freak out over?

Bottom line...I know TC averaged more TOs. I know he hasn't shown any offense 2 feet outside the rim. I don't know what more is wanted? We've traded for the guy and it's not like we can call take backs? Do we just CONTINUALLY complain about the differences...just because?

That's why these conversations are so frustrating...they don't accomplish one damn thing other than to keep everyone bickering when we need to be pulling behind the team.

[Walt Cronkite]

This thread is beautiful. People acting crazy after one game, while others act smug and still others through their hands up in the air. It's shocking that someone who uses statistics to make themselves feel superior would be so willing to brag about such a small sample size.

??? I imagine this is a jab at me, but I think it's really weird since I didn't bring up any statistics. I tried to explain Hollinger's computer projection a month ago, but you guys weren't trying to consider anything else. You guys KNEW Chandler was better than Okafor, his game fit the team better and our awful offensive rating from a season before wasn't worth mentioning because of how drastically Chandler changed our dynamic. We were going to be pick and rolling non stop and that will open up easier opportunities for Felton and DJ so they will score at a more efficient rate. Chandler is going to get his oops, because ANYONE can throw a lob to him, he wasn't really benefitting that much from a world class pg.

Looking back, maybe you are opposed to me bringing up our offensive rating last year when Teej was claiming we were a better offensive team than Larry Brown's championship Pistons? Whatever your issue is, be direct so we can actually have a meaningful conversation.

[Walt Cronkite]

I can't imagine any Bobcat's fan wouldn't be disappointed after last night...but to even suggest that one game for TC could be a harginger of what it'll be like all season is VERY unrealistic.

That 17 footer. Didja know Chandler hit one of those in the last preseason game (or the one before)? When I went to the NOLA preseason game...that's the shot TC continually practiced, right at/in front of the FT line to the side. He has a good stroke. LB asks everyone to try and expand their game and I think that 17 footer is as good as any and probably better than most.

Him taking one or even two a game is something to freak out over?

Bottom line...I know TC averaged more TOs. I know he hasn't shown any offense 2 feet outside the rim. I don't know what more is wanted? We've traded for the guy and it's not like we can call take backs? Do we just CONTINUALLY complain about the differences...just because?

That's why these conversations are so frustrating...they don't accomplish one damn thing other than to keep everyone bickering when we need to be pulling behind the team.

I definitely didn't know Chandler was hitting that shot in the preseason games. If he can hit it with regularity, then it's a weapon on offense. If he doesn't ever make the shot, even if he takes it only once or twice a game, then it's an awful decision with the way we play currently. We're going to have a really slow pace again and slow paced teams aren't successful if they have turnover and offensive efficient problems.

These aren't the first frustrating conversations we've ever had as bobcat fans. Until we start winning with regularity, or at the very least are actually fun to watch, they are going to continue. I sure hope Chandler's performance isn't a harbinger of what to expect, but I also don't think it's worth NOT discussing. This situation is frustrating. We have never been good. We've wasted draft picks. We've made stupid trades. The diehard fans, we invest a lot of time into this franchise. I love the Bobcats, but it's getting hard to. I'm not going anywhere, but I'd hate to think following them this season is another fruitless endeavor, but I can't just pretend like we didn't just post our worst performance despite having the most talented team we've ever had from top to bottom with a hall of fame coach.

[dnbman]

That's why these conversations are so frustrating...they don't accomplish one damn thing other than to keep everyone bickering when we need to be pulling behind the team.

I agree. The reason why we watch the games is there is no definite answer, no definite right player or right play. Considering most of the moves we've made have been close to even, it gets very tiresome hearing trades criticized over and over. It gets especially tiresome hearing draft picks criticized over and over. That's not to say that you can't criticize and analyze; it's a message board. That's part of the deal of being a fan. However, all that criticism eventually makes being a fan no fun.

One thing I've always enjoyed about this board is that we could hash out all of the arguments on any given night, but then the vast majority of the period were all excited for the next game and hopeful that it would be a good one. Now it feels like guys are ready to blow up the team after the first turnover.

I spend enough of my day analyzing real world problems that actually matter outside of the world of entertainment. I don't come to this message board for a bunch of "told-ya-sos" and big johnson contests via who can counter with the most analytical efficiency statistic.

By all means, those who want to criticize everything and enter every game thread with a cloud of doom over the heads, feel free. However, this board has thrived from lively debate that ultimately ended in positivity or jokes. I'd like to see it continue that way.

[BETCATS]

If we should be mad at anyone, it is Larry Brown. Bob Johnson has nothing to do with any of this. Larry is the one that asked for every single move that has been made. Bob just sets the amount he is willing to pay, and lets the team decide what to do from their. Say that he is cheap, but he isnt making any money off the team, and is trying to sell it, so until he does or until things turn around he will be 'cheap'.

But dont just blame the his cheapness for the team not winning. Bad contracts that Larry brought in ( like Vlad Rad, Diop) and inherrited (like Nazr) are what is holding this team back, not Bob Johnson.

[Proudiddy]

I can't imagine any Bobcat's fan wouldn't be disappointed after last night...but to even suggest that one game for TC could be a harginger of what it'll be like all season is VERY unrealistic.

That 17 footer. Didja know Chandler hit one of those in the last preseason game (or the one before)? When I went to the NOLA preseason game...that's the shot TC continually practiced, right at/in front of the FT line to the side. He has a good stroke. LB asks everyone to try and expand their game and I think that 17 footer is as good as any and probably better than most.

Him taking one or even two a game is something to freak out over?

Bottom line...I know TC averaged more TOs. I know he hasn't shown any offense 2 feet outside the rim. I don't know what more is wanted? We've traded for the guy and it's not like we can call take backs? Do we just CONTINUALLY complain about the differences...just because?

That's why these conversations are so frustrating...they don't accomplish one damn thing other than to keep everyone bickering when we need to be pulling behind the team.

First off you guys, I apologize for the abrupt and pissed off nature of the OP, but that's what happens when you post immediately after watching the crappiest performance in the history of basketball. Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating... But, if any of you had read my recent posts before this thread, I've been very high on what I saw from our team in the preseason.

So, needless to say... Last night was a HUGE LETDOWN. It sucked fat donkey balls. We've always been competitive against Boston, so it was an even bigger let down. I mean, they added Daniels and Wallace, but still... We added athletic defensive stoppers like Graham and Chandler, so for them to blow us out like that was inexcusable. If we couldn't score more than 59 we should've at least held them down to like 70. That was just disgusting.

And on top of that, the things I bragged about from my observations in the preseason got blown the f*ck up... Such as how smart Graham was offensively with being a good team player and taking good shots. This guy was out there jacking shots up like he was Iverson. If that's what we wanted out of him, why didn't we just sign the real Allen Iverson?

It was ridiculous. And good perspective and observations Spectre... But, my problem with TC's 17-18 ft. jumpers are that IIRC they were taken early in the shot clock, like he didn't give a crap... He may have a good stroke, but we all know there is a better shot thank your center jacking up 17 ftrs. early in the shot clock. They didn't move the ball and look for better shots, and TC didn't grab 1 Offensive board!!! ONE!?!?! I know he's out of shape still, but c'mon. If he can't create his own shot or make any moves in the post, he should at least rebound and play D at a high level for the few minutes he's in there until he gets back in shape. Really sad...

As far as Emeka, the stats don't tell the complete story, b/c when I was checking in on the game, he was banging against their guys and making great moves in the post. Emeka always looked a little awkward but he was pretty effective offensively. He was doing hook shots, using his body, etc. I turn back to our game and see Tyson shooting a 17 ftr...

I'm all for expanding our guy's games too, and sure it could be done. But generally guys don't develop stuff like that during the season, they get it in the offseason. And for Tyson to have been in the league as long as he has, with his athleticism, I just can't understand why he hasn't developed some sort of offensive game. I didn't expect that from him, but he could've at least been an intimidation factor in the paint - making guys think twice about driving in, but they didn't respect him at all...

I'm not putting it all on him, but it pisses me off if we gave up Mek for that. I'm not saying TC will be that all season, b/c I'm sure a lot of it will come with conditioning, but still... If we wanted to trade for a defensive athletic guy with no offense, I would've rather traded for Joakim Noah straight up... He's got to give us more.

With all that said, I still stand by my "F*ck Bob Johnson" comment. He is a reckless, careless, heartless POS. He doesn't care about the fans here and my feelings have just boiled over with LB admitting that the move was more about money than anything else with Mek-TC... I'm not all emotional about him being involved in the community, or if he feels he's better than North Carolinians or whatever... That crap doesn't matter to me. But, I figured a millionaire would at the least care about his product. He doesn't. We let countless guys that could contribute offensively in the post pass us by in FA without offering them legitimate contracts. Bass, Powe, G. Davis, etc... I like the Flip Murray move, but feel we were lucky to get him for a bargain price - that was the only reason we got him...

Moneybags Bob doesn't give a f*ck about this team, so f*ck him. I really want him to sell. And that's part of why I'm so heated about the Boston game... I feel like if we win and go to the playoffs, we'll be doing it in spite of him... So I want us to do well, to show him we don't need his cheap ass and he can take his sh*t somewhere else and f*ck up a franchise.

Sorry again, but I just want the best for our team.

[spectre]

Proudidy hey, it's cool man. Like you said yours was a gut reaction after the debacle so of course it's understandable. If I'd got to see the damn game fully instead of continually fighting the streams then I'd probably have been more upset too.

Like DNB said...we bitch and then we move on. We're Bobcats' fans; if ANYONE can take losing and then get right back up it's us. I still think we'll be ok once we get healthy.

TC's 17 ftr. You could very well be right about it being early in the shot clock, and typically that's not a good idea. Thing is when the wheels fall off and we can get no offense (which happened at least 2 times over a LONG stretch) that's what happens. Felton gets criticized for jacking up shots in these situations, but he's just trying to get some points because all the other options are failing.

Hopefully it's not the norm and he'll take them more in line with the game flow.

[spectre]

You can blame Johnson...but the writing was on the wall a year before. Mek turned down all our offers and that pissed the FO/Jordan off. Right after the DJ draft he brought it up and you could tell he was not happy with how that went down.

I feel pretty darn confident that the plan was to let Mek walk after that. That's why Jordan wanted Lopez over DJ. That's why they went after Gana that summer...as a replacement for Mek. That's why we heard rumors of Kaman. Dalembert this summer. IMO if LB hadn't stood up and told Jordan that we would have no chance at the playoffs last year without Mek we wouldn't have had him last season.

And I'll admit...I wanted to pay him, because like LB I figured we had no shot unless he was a Bobcat. I knew tho that unless he stepped up significantly he was going to be vastly overpaid in his last 2-3 years of his deal (and that still holds).

I can also see the same thing happening with Felton. If he really turned down 7 per and ends up getting 8-9 million out of us (remember Jordan hates to lose assets) then I expect him to be shipped out as soon as possible just like Mek.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Thanks for Tyson Chandler you dumb ass piece of sh*t...

Nazr looks better than Chandler. Okafor is playing well for New Orleans even though they're getting blown out right now too. If he can't get a lob for an alley-oop, Chandler has zer0 offense, and I mean zer0! Sure, he's been out awhile but no excuses, Okafor missed the entire preseason too and is playing well.

For Chandler to talk all that stuff about making the playoffs, he sure isn't doing his part. He was shooting 18-foot jumpers in this game, lol... SMH... Tonight was a big letdown.

I hope this move saved Big Dollar Bob enough money to build an equestrian course in his basement... Piece of sh*t.

I know it's one game, but let me vent guys... lol... Chandler's gotta step up. I understand the need to vent but as you said it was one game so let us not get too overworked about it. It is not like the Bobcats got creamed by the Clippers or any other routinely bad team. The team does have some new parts and they may struggle in some games early this season. Let's see how they respond to a much weaker team in the NY Knicks in the cats home. If they look half dead against the Knicks then we can start the talk about F*ck you Bob Johnson. If TC performs like sh*t again then we can get irate over him. As of now the main thing we need to look at is if this years team has any heart.

Let us also see if these cats know how to handle a slow start to a game and still respond to keep it from getting too far out of hand.

For me the Knicks game will say a lot about the character of this team. I think the team has enough talent to hold it's own. Chemistry may be the thing that holds these guys back.

Before things get too far out of hand I am sure Larry will look to make some moves.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I'm just happy we finally get to see what a duo of Okafor and Paul can accomplish.Perhaps you should be discussing what they can accomplish on a board that celebrates that team that your hero Okafor plays for.

Perhaps the people of New Orleans discover the problems many Bobcats fans had with Okafor. That said The verdict is not yet out on TC or Okafor on their new teams. It is rather early to start comparisons. Give these guys at least a dozen games to start critiquing and comparing them on their new teams.

[spectre]

I think everyone will come on board once we get some PT together and Raja gets back.

Tyson's 15-17 footer at about the 1:02 mark! That's the one he was working on when I saw them in G'sboro...continuously. Both turnaround and face up.

http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=738 (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/%3Cobject%20width=)

You'll also notice who's working with him on that.

I think TC has given more interviews since he's been here than Mek has over his whole career.

[1020AM]

Wow, how old are you guys? I've been coming on here for years and this is my first post. I've seen a lot of lame threads and comments on here, but this is stupid. You start a F##k Bob Johnson thread after one game. And you call yourself a fan. Let's see, the starting center and pf are coming off of off-season injuries. Plus we have two 2 guards that are hurt.

It's true what people say, Charlotte really does have crappy sports fans. Jumping ship and getting in a huge panic after one game is stupid.

Some of you lames really need girlfriends.

Forget the owner. This team needs real fans. Go Bobcats!

[ziggy]

Guys, I think we've beat this topic to death.

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