View Full Version : Keep moving; nothing to see here...
dnbman
10-28-2009, 10:42 PM
This game was a disaster. Let's move on.
Priority 1:
Get guys healthy ASAP.
Priority 2:
develop some semblance of an offensive plan.
Priority 3:
find some scoring and another legit big.
Walt Cronkite
10-28-2009, 10:45 PM
Step 1: Change name to Lolcats
Step 2: Find new owner
Step 3: Hire new management
Step 4: Play Diop until he qualifies for a medical exception or becomes a tradeable asset
Step 5: Full fledged tank mode
Step 6: Fingers crossed for a lottery blessing by the basketball gods.
This is constructive criticism, Walt?
And good post, dnb.
Walt Cronkite
10-28-2009, 11:18 PM
Definitely. New ownership and management would do wonders. LB can stay, but MJ needs to have any power revoked and Higgins has done nothing to develop any measure of tenure. The first one was a joke, but so was our performance tonight. Be serious, never in your wildest dreams did you think this collection of talent would set a franchise negative record for points scored... I know I didn't.
davcbow
10-28-2009, 11:30 PM
Definitely. New ownership and management would do wonders. LB can stay, but MJ needs to have any power revoked and Higgins has done nothing to develop any measure of tenure. The first one was a joke, but so was our performance tonight. Be serious, never in your wildest dreams did you think this collection of talent would set a franchise negative record for points scored... I know I didn't.
Dude whats the matter? 1 bad game and youre ready to behead everybody, chill!
Walt Cronkite
10-28-2009, 11:33 PM
I've been ready to behead people before the season began. I gave LB immunity, not really seeing what the problem is with criticizing Bob Johnson and the FO... we are in NBA purgatory. Not bad enough to get a real shot at a superstar in the lottery, not good enough to make noise in the playoffs and sign fas as a legit franchise. I have invested too much in this franchise for them to be stolen away like the Hornets because of inept management.
davcbow
10-28-2009, 11:46 PM
I think BJ didn't sell the team because he saw how well we played last year and he thought we would be some great team playoff bound (BJ don't know shit about pro sports, he is a business man)...in other words he saw dollar signs this year...If we end up having a losing year and he don't make this big profit he thought he would make he will put the team back on sale... If some one then buys the team you just may then get your wish. Until then I am hoping for the best with this team because I think we are better than you give them credit for, I think we are better than last years team. LB couldn't really evaluate the guys during preseason because of injuries and also the tempco refs calling fouls every play. Give this team a chance. ILBIT...:cool:
TheBeagle
10-29-2009, 02:19 AM
LOL. I'm looking forward to having Walt around here this season!!! Dude, never took you for the emotinal piss 'n vinegar type but..........I love it!!! Any time you can make it to a game, let me know: I'll have a ticket for you.
As far as the thread goes, I agree; best to move on from this debacle and hope for better.
However, I have to admit, I'm a little shaky on the ILBIT mantra. Tonight's team was as ill-prepared to play as any Ham Biscuit team that ever took the floor (well, except for the game at Memphis toward the end of the year, that was.......classic Biscuit) and most all of that lies on the coach. Still, ILBIT pending Friday's performance.
Marvel
10-29-2009, 05:02 AM
Fuck me what an ugly game i mean i know it's the Celtics but that is just bullshit 59....................................the Sacramento Kings last season were able to put up 80 at least against Boston and that was without K-Martin.Everyone other than our 2 rookies played like shit TC loooked so lost out there he made KP look like an All Star:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: i'm tellin ya we don't have a chance of making the playoffs this year even with Raja healthy which he won't be well not 100% he says he'll play and tough it out...............yeah right..................WE SUCKED lord save us.
Oh yeah and we're going to regret the Okafor for TC trade only a matter of time till that becomes clear :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Dcarnys
10-29-2009, 07:38 AM
I'm not so pissed off that we lost, but that we lost so bad. I didn't watch the game (1. World Series trumps everything right now 2. Was in charlotte meeting my new boss) but how we lost. I know its the Celts but only 59 POINTS!!!!?!!!?!?!?!? Well I'm not tanking on the season just yet but i'm not too optimistic right now.
spectre
10-29-2009, 08:09 AM
This game was a disaster. Let's move on.
Priority 1:
Get guys healthy ASAP.
Priority 2:
develop some semblance of an offensive plan.
Priority 3:
find some scoring and another legit big.
Health and getting the players acclimated is the biggest thing. Getting Raja's leadership back with the starting group will be huge. I don't think we'd been as shell shocked so quickly last night had Raja been there to steady the ship.
Boris HAS to lead this team offensively. He's the one with the tools and right now he's not doing it. Him starting so out of sync is a big blow to any thoughts of a good early start.
Flip will help with the scoring once he gets back.
Fred Williamson
10-29-2009, 08:30 AM
We've lost an opening game against the best team in the league. With 2 key players out with injuries and 2 starters out of shape.
Big f****** deal. :facepalm:
TOOT DADDY
10-29-2009, 08:35 AM
Yeah as usual let's give LB a pass. His system doesn't fit the current roster all these damn half court sets when we have zero low post game. We should be trying to run to make up for how inadequate we are down low. Hell adjust your plays and game to the players you have until you get the players to play in your system. Yeah it was one game but it wasone game of the same sh#t we saw in the preseason and most of last year. I just fail to believe the players are buying into this system.
I think BJ didn't sell the team because he saw how well we played last year and he thought we would be some great team playoff bound (BJ don't know shit about pro sports, he is a business man)...in other words he saw dollar signs this year...If we end up having a losing year and he don't make this big profit he thought he would make he will put the team back on sale... If some one then buys the team you just may then get your wish. Until then I am hoping for the best with this team because I think we are better than you give them credit for, I think we are better than last years team. LB couldn't really evaluate the guys during preseason because of injuries and also the tempco refs calling fouls every play. Give this team a chance. ILBIT...:cool:
couldn't be more wrong. BJ didn't sell the team because he couldn't find any buyers willing to pay his price. it is the same as all of the clueless homeowners trying to not to sell their house at a loss, deluding themselves into thinking "the market may be down, but my house has increased in value". Bob bought high and now wants to sell but wants to sell low. additionally, he made the mistake of thinking that owning a pro team is a good investment, when we know it isn't really outside of the major markets (and even they are questionable at this point as many of the new york and la pro teams are worth close to a billion $, not much room for increases in value). he intentionally kept the value of the team low, hence the mek trade (which I favor) , not signing or trading for a legitimate 3 pt shooting, scoring 2, trading or signing ray last year and trading raja in the offseason. this management team dug its own grave. now it is the first game of a LONG season, but all of the issues which we knew were the problems are still there 1. we can't score as a team 2. we have no go-to scorer 3. we can't shoot threes so we can spread the floor for gerald and the pointg guards 4. aside from gerald, we have no one who can create their own shot. I predicted between 32-37 wins and I think that is a fairly good guess if not an over estimate.
Health and getting the players acclimated is the biggest thing. Getting Raja's leadership back with the starting group will be huge. I don't think we'd been as shell shocked so quickly last night had Raja been there to steady the ship.
Boris HAS to lead this team offensively. He's the one with the tools and right now he's not doing it. Him starting so out of sync is a big blow to any thoughts of a good early start.
Flip will help with the scoring once he gets back.
asking boris to lead offensively is like asking the government not to recklessly spend money to buy votes. it is not in their nature. boris is a role player, a 3rd or 4th option, always has been always will be. it is not to say he isn't good or valuable, he is the second most valuable player on the team, but a leader he is not nor ever will be.
spectre
10-29-2009, 08:55 AM
asking boris to lead offensively is like asking the government not to recklessly spend money to buy votes. it is not in their nature. boris is a role player, a 3rd or 4th option, always has been always will be. it is not to say he isn't good or valuable, he is the second most valuable player on the team, but a leader he is not nor ever will be.
That's the thing. I'm starting to think something like that is very hard to pick up on the job but more something that players come into the league with. I really don't think Boris playing with France helps any; on that team he defers to Parker, so once he comes back he has to change the way he plays.
Kind of like hoping Mek would one day start being aggressive.
dunnlx
10-29-2009, 02:41 PM
asking boris to lead offensively is like asking the government not to recklessly spend money to buy votes. it is not in their nature. boris is a role player, a 3rd or 4th option, always has been always will be. it is not to say he isn't good or valuable, he is the second most valuable player on the team, but a leader he is not nor ever will be.
Boris sucks!!!
We've lost an opening game against the best team in the league. With 2 key players out with injuries and 2 starters out of shape.
Big f****** deal. :facepalm:
My thoughts exactly.
Walt Cronkite
10-29-2009, 05:33 PM
Didn't last night's "performance" set the record for lowest points ever scored on an opening night? Raja's absence hurts, sure, but how does this collection of talent score less than the year one cats? Year one was able to drop 96 points!!
There are a lot of things to take into consideration (Bell, Chandler/Diaw being unfit, Celtics), but I don't think it's enough to totally discredit the worry that our offense is dreadful.
Didn't last night's "performance" set the record for lowest points ever scored on an opening night? Raja's absence hurts, sure, but how does this collection of talent score less than the year one cats? Year one was able to drop 96 points!!
There are a lot of things to take into consideration (Bell, Chandler/Diaw being unfit, Celtics), but I don't think it's enough to totally discredit the worry that our offense is dreadful.
You're also forgetting Flip. And last night was the lowest points cored ever. But I expect us to score in the 70's and 80's a lot. Without Diaw, our offense is bad. And when Felton got hurt, we were down five. When he came back, it was a disaster.
Ampsportsduo
10-29-2009, 06:50 PM
Boris sucks!!!
You mean the team's best player last season? Ok, just checking.
KT#20
10-29-2009, 07:08 PM
Boris was our third best player last season. The biggest difference maker? Absolutely. But not our best player.
dnbman
10-29-2009, 07:12 PM
Even if he wasn't our best player, the difference between he and our best player is negligible at best.
Bottom line is that Boris is a great player who had a bad game along with the entire team. Having guys recovering from health issues and our pg taking a lip busting didn't help either. (Note: we rallied to within 5 (maybe 6?) when Felton went down. While we might not have won, Felton's injury was definitely a momentum killer.)
Walt Cronkite
10-29-2009, 10:02 PM
Boris is our most skilled player. I hope he develops a killer instinct.
Teej, I expect low scoring games out of our squad. You don't think we'll be averaging points in the 70s or 80s though, right?
Teej, I expect low scoring games out of our squad. You don't think we'll be averaging points in the 70s or 80s though, right?
Average? No. Not at all. If we do, we'll be taking John Wall with the first overall pick, and the DJ vs. Ray discussion will be over.
But I won't be surprised to see scores in the 70's outnumber those in the 110's and 120's combined, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if we score less than last year.
Outside of Gerald and Boris, I don't trust anyone on the roster to score in double figures on most nights. DJ and Ray are too inconsistent, Tyson might depending on how much LB has worked with him but I haven't seen it, and Raja is too old. We're all about D now. Which should make LB happy.
BETCATS
10-29-2009, 11:29 PM
It was one game, chill everybody. Half of our guard rotation (Raymond, Bell, and Flip) didnt play.
Boston was trying to send a message to the entire NBA about how dominate they plan on being at home this season. If it were some other team, it would have been the same, if it was somebody like the Knicks it would have been worse.
Just take a chill pill and calm down. We are going to have a bad start to the season. We really needed a scorer, and dont have a consistant one right now. This also showed me how valuble Raymond is, as if last night proved anything, it is that DJ is still too young to be consistant.
Boris is our most skilled player. I hope he develops a killer instinct.
If you know anything about basketball, which i assume you do, you would know that players are born with a killer instinct, and one cannot be 'developed'. Either you have it or you dont. It is a given. Boris has a little bit of it, and fuses it with his talent well. He is nowhere near the level of lacking that Kwame Brown or Tim Thomas are on, but he is no Kevin Garnett either.
BobcatsAllDay
10-29-2009, 11:50 PM
This was not a good way to learn a lesson from our perspective but when you lose in this manner the coach (LB) will have no problem getting the attention of the players for lets say the next 2 weeks at the least. Only one of two things can result from a loss of this magnitude; the players sulk and this blowout trend rears its head again or the players take heed to LB's coaching and we see a different result at the end of the night. Gerald and Raymond IMO are the heart & soul of this team and I expect everybody to match their efforts going forward. If that happens we should get back on track. We shall see.....
Walt Cronkite
10-30-2009, 12:08 AM
[QUOTE=BETCATS;140434
If you know anything about basketball, which i assume you do, you would know that players are born with a killer instinct, and one cannot be 'developed'. Either you have it or you dont. It is a given. Boris has a little bit of it, and fuses it with his talent well. He is nowhere near the level of lacking that Kwame Brown or Tim Thomas are on, but he is no Kevin Garnett either.[/QUOTE]
Sure... I think you can still recognize, "I should look for my shot more" or whatever. I don't believe that's an instinct that is either natural or not. The term "killer instinct" was probably not the right thing to type... I was talking about fighting games with my friends earlier and it came up, so it had been on the mind.
EvetsMorrison15
10-30-2009, 02:32 AM
I would like to delete this post. But this stupid ass site doesn't allow that option. I love how everything in this place works.
spectre
10-30-2009, 07:33 AM
Anyone want to bet against the thought that we're going to struggle (not vs Boston struggle...but struggle) until about a week after Raja gets back?
ziggy
10-30-2009, 08:35 AM
I would like to delete this post. But this stupid ass site doesn't allow that option. I love how everything in this place works.
I can make it not work permanently for you if you would like :biggrin:
dav7z
10-30-2009, 09:27 AM
Felton is ready to go . Like a wounded aimial . Over the past few years we all know you hurt Felton he comes out fighting. I expect no less tonight. His best games come when hurt . So i know it will be two Bobcats fighting for the win tonight . Felton on the court and me off the court . Fighting from the 2nd level of the cable box., I hope Feltons leadership pisses off the rest of the troops tonight all so . I expect big emotion from all the cubs ready to hit the floor.
Each not happy with thair first apperance.
In many areas we can't suck any worse. No where to go but up. Nothing to lose.
Expect a bunch ready to fight and ready to win. The 12 suited up and the one in section 210,
http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=738
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