New York Knicks at Charlotte Bobcats 10/30

[ziggy]

I'm ready to start focusing on this game so that we can take our minds off of the traveshamockery that was opening night. For those of you that saw that game you probably feel a little like this
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1490/facepalm2.jpg

I know that I do.


But lets move on to Friday night and the Knicks. They are coming off of an opening night loss to the Miami Heat. In their loss they had solid 20+ point efforts out of Lee, Chandler and Galinari. Everyone else... not so much.

So what do you think guys, will we get win #1 Friday night?


ILBIT still

[teej]

ILBIMFT

And nice TNG pic.

If Graham starts, though, I might cut the game off right then.

[Muttley]

ugh.

Last night's game was pathetic.
The team better show up to play tomorrow night. I'll be there to witness the win or collapse either way. They've got talent and they've certainly played better in games (Example: Every prior game in Bobcats history). I don't understand why they played so scared, but they've gotta change it. Play with some balls.

We should beat the Knicks. I'll be doing my part by cheering 'em on.

[Walt Cronkite]

I imagine LB will have the troops much better prepared. I can't predict if it will lead to a win or loss, but at least it should be watchable.

[ziggy]

The Enemy's game thread (http://forums.nykfp.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29720)

[Fred Williamson]

The game starts at 1 a.m. in my timezone, so I'll be really drunk around this time. I think, being in this condition, will make the game at least enjoyable.

[ohara831]

I cant see us playing any worse than against Boston. Our home opener against a team we reasonably should beat. I think the guys were embarrassed as they should be, so I think that motivation and LB chewing their a$$es should have them ready to play tonight. I see a tough hard fought for victory. My biggest concern is David Lee and can we stop him from scoring and rebounding enough to win.

[BRNC]

I've never left a game (at any level) early...but since I will not be able to switch channels (I'll be at the game) it will be the first game I've ever left early if we start getting blown out by the Knicks....I'm not expecting that....I actually expect us to win...and I'm not sure (particularly after Raja comes back) that Graham is much longer for the team if he keeps his crappy play up...

[dav7z]

Felton comes up big . Wallace all so .Brown addmited the team was sceard and over coached . I bet they leave it all on th floor tonight, playing loose.
Hoping to see Hendo with the start. Boris needs to come out better[ no excuses]
Its going to be wild tonight and the Knicks will be playing 20,ooo

Bobcats win

211 row B seat 8 stop by , Beagle you too..........................................

[davcbow]

Felton comes up big . Wallace all so .Brown addmited the team was sceard and over coached . I bet they leave it all on th floor tonight, playing loose.
Hoping to see Hendo with the start. Boris needs to come out better[ no excuses]
Its going to be wild tonight and the Knicks will be playing 20,ooo

Bobcats win

211 row B seat 8 stop by , Beagle you too..........................................

Let us pray....
I hope Felton comes on big, I hope "French Fry" (Lexy) gets to play tonight...I hope DJ gets out of his slump on both ends of the ball... I hope TC and Boris both come on strong... and I hope Wallace has the game of his carrier... I hope the rest contribute plenty and I hope you "the basketball gods" are on our side...
Amen

[Muttley]

Let us pray....
I hope Felton comes on big, I hope "French Fry" (Lexy) gets to play tonight...I hope DJ gets out of his slump on both ends of the ball... I hope TC and Boris both come on strong... and I hope Wallace has the game of his carrier... I hope the rest contribute plenty and I hope you "the basketball gods" are on our side...
Amen

A blowout would be great for our confidence. I don't know if that's too much to ask for, but ...

We should match-up better this game, I think. This team needs a swagger.

[Fred Williamson]

Let us pray....
I hope the rest contribute plenty and I hope you "the basketball gods" are on our side...
Amen

Don't be so sure about that, because:


The bus scheduled to take the Bobcats to the airport wouldn't start, forcing the team to wait an additional 45 minutes before they could leave the TD Garden and put some distance between themselves and their opening-night flop.

"We deserved that," coach Larry Brown said Thursday afternoon. "That was God punishing us."

[Ghost Kat]

The game starts at 1 a.m. in my timezone, so I'll be really drunk around this time. I think, being in this condition, will make the game at least enjoyable.


http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/neisied1/co-sign.gif

[teej]

Kat, that kid in your sig is the Celtics beating us up...

[davcbow]

GO Cats GO!!!!! we have to win this one....:biggrin:

[rsxnova]

The Enemy's game thread (http://forums.nykfp.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29720)

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Hmm...

[docend24]

The game starts at 1 a.m. in my timezone, so I'll be really drunk around this time. I think, being in this condition, will make the game at least enjoyable.

I guess you have it wrong, midnight (CET)

[docend24]

I agree they are relying on jumpshots to win. Funny that their fans don't even realize that. With the way we defended against Celtics (too many open treys), Knicks could have a feast. But they have enough insane in the membrane players that can screw them up (I'm looking forward to see Harrington doing something to give us technical foul shot potentially winning/tiening the game/quarter:)

[ammofan]

I will be there! Lets go cats! section 103

[BigE]

Bobcats - 108
Knicks - 92

[Fred Williamson]

I guess you have it wrong, midnight (CET)

Oh snap. Thanks for the info. I was already about to set the alarm clock at 1 a.m. and take a nap.

[CatNation]

there should be a chatroom or something where we can talk about the game more quickly (and share links :mad:)

go Cats!!!!!! WIN DAMMIT.

[spectre]

there should be a chatroom or something where we can talk about the game more quickly (and share links :mad:)

go Cats!!!!!! WIN DAMMIT.

FWIW the NY radio link is working...their pregame is on now.

[Ghost Kat]

Let's Go Cats!!!!!!


I think I might even do a halftime show tonight


Beat the New York Little Shorts!!!

[Ghost Kat]

Let's Go Cats!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso

[CatNation]

http://channelsurfing.net/watch-nba-3.html

seems to be up

[spectre]

http://www.atdhe.net/7550/watch-new-york-knicks-vs-charlotte-bobcats

and another! both nyk links but hey...much better than the other night!

they look good too! be still my heart!

[WarioVsMooChicken]

The guy singing the star spangled banner messed up a few times >.>

[teej]

Graham...dammit!

[Walt Cronkite]

Oh good, Stephen Graham gets to show what he's got again!

[teej]

Stevieeeeee for 333333333

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Nice change of pace for Grahm =)

[Ghost Kat]

Only in New York..........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPYkqqhA3Ag&feature=quicklist

[teej]

Looking much much much better tonight.

[teej]

Diawwwww for 3333333

[docend24]

http://channelsurfing.net/watch-nba-3.html

seems to be up

Thanks, great one (no justin tv limit bullshit)

[ebrown]

First post.....


does it still look like to you guys that Tyson is still a bit gimping on that ankle?

[Fred Williamson]

You guys know, that it is possible to test league pass for free?

[teej]

First post.....


does it still look like to you guys that Tyson is still a bit gimping on that ankle?

Welcome!

And maybe, he's certainly rusty, I haven't really noticed much favoring the ankle, but my stream also lags a lot. Damn tv rules...

[teej]

You guys know, that it is possible to test league pass for free?

Yeah, but we're blacked out in NC/SC anyway.

[ebrown]

I guess maybe I just imagine him to use his height to his advantage more especially for rebounds. Maybe its a conditioning issue too. He just seems scared to me to leave the floor.


by the way i have monitored this site for like 5 months and just have now gotten around to posting.

[ebrown]

thanks God for Vlad man

[Walt Cronkite]

Has "I'm fallin away.... with you" been retired?

Love the improved play tonight. I think LB really worked the guys.

[ebrown]

Diaw looks like he could have a huge game tonight

[teej]

We are the Celtics and the Knicks are the Bobcats?

[Walt Cronkite]

On pace to score more by the half than in game one! :D

[ebrown]

On pace to score more by the half than in game one! :D

we probably need to score about 130 to make up for the points we lost in the first game

[CatNation]

thats Bobcats basketball right there! Hell yes!!! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[spectre]

Has "I'm fallin away.... with you" been retired?

Love the improved play tonight. I think LB really worked the guys.

That and I think our guys were flat embarrased.

Maybe it was fate I couldn't really watch the other night but can tonight! :p

[dnbman]

Does Felton get the first triple/double tonight?

[davcbow]

Have we redeemed ourselves yet? :biggrin:

[KT#20]

We're looking great, but if TC doesn't score in this game, I'll be even more worried.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Has "I'm fallin away.... with you" been retired?

I miss seeing that commercial 10 times a game

ALSO WE BEASTING

[Ghost Kat]

Lets Go Cats!!!!!!!

[ebrown]

is this the same Graham from the other night?

[davcbow]

Nice hook by Graham

[teej]

Stevie at least has redeemed himself...

[davcbow]

Nice black by Nazzy

[davcbow]

Wish DJ would settle down...:cool:

[ebrown]

love it!!!!! Gerald Henderson with the pick and the dunk

[dnbman]

Hendo with the heads up play!

[davcbow]

Hedo is on fire!!!! Steal and dunk:cool:

[Ghost Kat]

The Knicks starters are getting beat up on by our bench....


Think about that

[dnbman]

Hedo is on fire!!!! Steal and dunk:cool:

I think you have to have more than three points to be on fire, but it was nice!

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

love it!!!!! Gerald Henderson with the pick and the dunk

Yeah badass! Go cats!

[davcbow]

Just goes to show ya we wernt ready in the first game against Boston....:cool:

[dnbman]

The ball movement and off the ball movement is MUCH better tonight.

[ebrown]

i think we are playing more like a team tonight, especially in the area of anticipating where your teammate is going to be and also just playing with more energy.

[CatNation]

god the Knicks announcers talking about Brown probably being angry at Wallace not hustling. :facepalm:

[dnbman]

i think we are playing more like a team tonight, especially in the area of anticipating where your teammate is going to be and also just playing with more energy.

Exactly. Of course, right as we're thinking that, Wallace tries the telegraphed pass through traffic that goes the other way.

[KT#20]

Wallace needs to chill out.

[KT#20]

god the Knicks announcers talking about Brown probably being angry at Wallace not hustling. :facepalm:

He did get burned by Harrington and Chandler.

[Ghost Kat]

Ups!!!!!!!!!

[dnbman]

Wallace needs to chill out.
I don't know. The TOs are bad, but I like the energy a lot!

[ebrown]

i think we are playing with some pretty good awareness tonight

[ebrown]

thats why i am glad that my last name is brown right there

[Muttley]

My parents, sister and grandparents were just recognized as the sprite family upgrade thing at the game. they got moved from 218 to 113 and they didn't even bring them with me!

[spectre]

My parents, sister and grandparents were just recognized as the sprite family upgrade thing at the game. they got moved from 218 to 113 and they didn't even bring them with me!

Aw man that sucks!

Welcome ebrown! Great time to start posting! :p

[ebrown]

we look like we are starting to play sloppy/tired

[ebrown]

good to see MJ sitting at the end of the bench tonight

[GeraldWalrus]

Stevie Graham looks sharp as hell tonight. Now if Chandler would show me something I'd be happy.

[davcbow]

I think we got tired too, but LB hopefully will relight that fire....51-37 at the half...:cool:

[teej]

Great first half, bt we CANNOT let up in the 2nd, which we did a ton last year. Cmon LB, kick some ass. Fire up Crash and let him drop 20 on em in the 2nd half...

[Lewey]

Yeah, but we're blacked out in NC/SC anyway.
I'm watching free preview league pass down in Rock Hill, SC

[teej]

I'm watching free preview league pass down in Rock Hill, SC

I hate you :p jk

I have to watch this shitty stream...ughhhhh

[Lewey]

I hate you :p jk

I have to watch this shitty stream...ughhhhh
I'll be back to the streams after nov 3rd, its nice while it lasts:biggrin:

[davcbow]

Im watching FSC on TWC in Apex tonight fun game to watch so far....:biggrin:

[teej]

DJ 0 pts, 0 AST, 0 RBDS, 1 TO and 2 PFS in the 1st half, lets hope that changes.

[Lewey]

fun game to watch so far....:biggrin:
Great Game, makes my beer taste so much better! :biggrin:

[dnbman]

DJ 0 pts, 0 AST, 0 RBDS, 1 TO and 2 PFS in the 1st half, lets hope that changes.

Aside from the baseline play, he looks like he's playing pretty conservative. He had a couple of nice passes that didn't get transferred to points either. He'll be alright.

[davcbow]

I think he is working through a slump, someone had gotten into his head...:cool:

[CatNation]

tyson :facepalm:

[ebrown]

Tyson is looking so bad!!!!

[teej]

Tyson needs to practice till he drops...and then repeat.

[CatNation]

YAY tyson. jesus

[teej]

TC Aleeeeeeeyyyyyyy

Welcome, Tyson.

[dnbman]

My link stopped working. Anybody with a working link?

[ebrown]

we are playing all kinds of out of whack this 3rd quarter

[teej]

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-nba-3.html

[spectre]

Clyde: "Felton has been injury prone throughout his career."

:cool:

[CatNation]

we need a spark. put in hendo or something

[KT#20]

http://rwbsports.com/ch2.html

I think this one is the best. The quality is excellent.

[teej]

Tyyyyysooooonnnnn Chandlerrrrrr

another dunk...

[teej]

Rayyyyyy breakaway!!

[ebrown]

i think they found that second half burst

[davcbow]

Everytime we get hot a timeout is called.... Ray with a heck of a play... I think we are going to be ok....:cool:

DJ playing some D with a steal....:biggrin:

[davcbow]

That was a pretty layup by DJ.....Come on guys in the 4th....:cool:

[Ghost Kat]

Lets Go Cats!!!!!!!

[spectre]

Crash needs to start taking it back inside.

14 point cushion...let's close this thing out.

[davcbow]

Your Charlotte Bobcaaaaaaaaaaaaaats!!!!!!!

[teej]

Is it me or are these fouls kinda pathetic, on both sides?

Oh wait, that's exactly what Donaghy said about our official, Steve Javie.

[ebrown]

I think DJ just remembered that he could drive to the hoop.

[teej]

DJ has finally come alive!

[CatNation]

how can you be 7'1 freak athletic and a professional and be so inept at putting the ball through the hoop

does not compute

[ebrown]

what the hell we doing now? 7 straight possessions with nothing?

[teej]

I swear if we lose this...that's on LB.

[davcbow]

Damn getting real sloppy now, WTF is going on? Thank God LB called a TO

[CatNation]

of course we can never just totally destroy a team all 4 quarters

sigh

[ebrown]

this^^^^^^^^^^^

[teej]

smh this is pathetic. What is wrong with these people??

[ebrown]

anyone else about to boil over if we blow this...I don't know why all of a sudden we have gone away from the post play. It was working all night. Now we are sending Felton(of all people) into the lane each time. Vlad needs to come out and Brown needs to come in.

[CatNation]

THIS is when it would be so nice to have Iverson.

or Flip Murray.

or anyone that could fucking score

[KT#20]

Passion means absolutely nothing, if you're a complete idiot like TC.

[dnbman]

anyone else about to boil over if we blow this...I don't know why all of a sudden we have gone away from the post play. It was working all night. Now we are sending Felton(of all people) into the lane each time. Vlad needs to come out and Brown needs to come in.

While we've been scoring up close, I don't think it's been post play. I haven't seen much of the last 12 minutes, but it does sound like we're settling for jumpers.

[teej]

Passion means absolutely nothing, if you're a complete idiot like TC.

Mek disappears in these moments to. Stop trolling.

You're absoluteley right, ebrown. And our defense has gone to hell to.

[CatNation]

we're gonna lose

[teej]

Felton in Hero mode...

[ebrown]

get Vladi out of the game now!!!!!

[KT#20]

Mek disappears in these moments to. Stop trolling.

No more than Wallace. Point is he has a brain and wouldn't foul out in 18 minutes against the freakin' Knicks.

[ebrown]

4th quarter went like this- lack luster effort then oh crap they are catchin up to OMG lets panic now to Felton just coming down there and standin and shootin

[teej]

Put Graham in Please!

This is where we find out how we're doing this year, because so many of our losses last year were 5 point games. If we win this, I think that bodes well to change that. if not, well, we're back in the lottery.

[ebrown]

i swear if i was at the game i would run out there and cut vladi's achilles so he could not go out there and suck it up even more

[CatNation]

kill me please

[teej]

OT...oh boy. Bad shot by NYK to let us off the hook

[Fred Williamson]

****.... :facepalm:

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

What the fuck was vlad thinking?!

[teej]

What the fuck was vlad thinking?!

Space....Cadet.

"Oh look, a cloud"

Dipshit.

[Fred Williamson]

this is fucking sickening

[davcbow]

LOL teej

Overtime

[Walt Cronkite]

I don't think Vlad took a bad shot... he was wide open. If he puts the ball on the floor that wouldn't be the case and he could turn the rock over.

It's a shame we blew our awesome first quarter and half.

[ebrown]

we need to quit settling for jumpers. there is no effort at all to get in the post

[ebrown]

:confused: Vladi is still playing? Why oh Why?

[Maal]

I have no words......:(

[ebrown]

3.....2......1.......Self Destruction

[ziggy]

i swear if i was at the game i would run out there and cut vladi's achilles so he could not go out there and suck it up even more

+1 for that!

[teej]

OMG...this is awful.

[teej]

I don't think Vlad took a bad shot... he was wide open. If he puts the ball on the floor that wouldn't be the case and he could turn the rock over.

It's a shame we blew our awesome first quarter and half.

No, he didn't take bad shots, but the shots themselves were fucking horrible. He doesn't deserve to play.

[Fred Williamson]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

[teej]

Thank you Boris!!!!!

[ebrown]

can we laugh for a second.


we went from holy shit we are ballin out tonight

to.....


omg we are fucking horrible, let me kill myself

[teej]

Rayyyyyyyyy.

Thank you for having testicles :D

[Maal]

Why the fuck is vlad in the game??????

[ebrown]

Why the fuck is vlad in the game??????


dont worry you are not the only one wondering that

[teej]

Why the fuck is vlad in the game??????

Fuck if I know.

And damn that call...

[Fred Williamson]

Hey LB, BENCH RADMAN'S ASS!!!!!

[Fred Williamson]

it's over. we fucking suck.

[BETCATS]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha @ everyone who said we didnt need Allen Iverson.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha @ everyone who said we would be fine without a big time scorer, and that we could close a game without one.

I am not suprised at all this is happening. We all wonder why the Bobcats get no respect from the media or the refs. Well, when you score 59 points against Boston and manage to blow a 20 point lead against the Knicks, people cant help but laugh at you.

And i dont even want to hear it about 'its the refs fault'. If anything, the refs have favored us tonight.

I blame Larry Brown for not using a center after Chandler fouled out and for taking Stephen Graham out waaay to early.

THANK GOD FOR RAYMOND FELTON

Even though a lot of you hate Nazr, if he was playing after Chandler fouled out, the Knicks would not have been able to control the paint the way they did simply because we would have a big body in their. But Vlad Rad was put in instead.

ANd i dont give a fuck if we win or lose, blowing the lead is unnacceptable.

[ebrown]

Hey LB, BENCH RADMAN'S ASS!!!!!


we are past benching him, we want his ass cut

[KT#20]

Felton's the truth!

[teej]

Rayyyyyyymonddddd

Did LB teach him how to score?

[teej]

Smart D! Thank you Ray!

[ebrown]

this is when you need a shooter

[teej]

Double OT...jeez. What kinda play was that????

[BETCATS]

double overtime for a game we were up by 20 in...that is change i can belive in.

It would have been a lot worse if Raymond had to sit out tonight...

[CatNation]

its like neither team wants to win this. so pathetic. at least we didnt lose.

yet

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Haha so if nobody scores in this quarter it's a tie right?

[dnbman]

I'm wondering why Hendo hasn't played more. He had some nice energy earlier. Now seems like a perfect time for him to try and find some seems.

[KT#20]

May's playing well right now, we still don't have a backup power forward, and Vlad sucks. Passing him up on the vet minimum was a mistake.

[BETCATS]

the better team will not win tonight, the worse of the 2 will simply lose.

[teej]

Borissssssss

[Maal]

...and why didn't we get Iverson again?

[ziggy]

somebody sweep the leg on that dwarf Nate Robinson

[ebrown]

if we only got a point for every time crash hit the floor....we would dominate

[dnbman]

...and why didn't we get Iverson again?

Because we are already solid in the dnp category?

[Maal]

OMFG somebody hit a shot!!.....and Harrington scores on Vlad.....

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

AHHHHHH! The stream went out!!! Help! Help!!!!

[teej]

Am I the only one who lost both feeds?

[ebrown]

felton down with a cramp, graham comes in for him

[spectre]

me too. the NYK radio link works on NBA.com

Felton down with a cramp.

[dnbman]

Am I the only one who lost both feeds?

I think one of the games is switching over. rrrrgggg.

back!!!!!

[ebrown]

and why wasn't graham in? Hell if i know!!!!:confused:

[BETCATS]

Stephen Graham!
Its about damm time Larry let him play again. Why he hasnt been used more today is beyond me.

[teej]

I think we might have it...Nate fouling out, Graham scoring, cmon 'Cats!

[spectre]

FYI...Chicago is losing to Boston 90 to 67 beginning of the 4th.

And Hulk Jr. is making up bigtime for the other night.

Annnnnnnnddddddddd here's Raymond!

[teej]

Radman OUT!

[KT#20]

The link is back up.

[ebrown]

Radman OUT!


now we can win!!!!!!!!

[spectre]

The link is back up.

which? post it please

[CatNation]

well, if we werent doomed vs cleveland tomorrow before, we probably are now.

who cares, i just want this god damn win

[dnbman]

which? post it please

keeps blinking.

http://rwbsports.com/ch2.html

[teej]

DJ misses both FT'S!!! WTF????

[spectre]

Dammit. :facepalm:

[CatNation]

Fuck wtf dj

[BETCATS]

if we win, how much of a moral victory is it? I dont see Larry Brown or the team being happy about winning a game in double overtime that should have been finished by the 3rd quarter.

This team is still lacking a scorer, but when Flip comes back we might get better in that aspect.

Tsk tsk DJ. A sophmore slup in the works? I hope not...

[Double_Trouble]

Graham is doing well tonight but seems not to know where to be on the court some times. Dang DJ missed two free throws.

[KT#20]

which? post it please

http://rwbsports.com/ch2.html

I see someone already posted it. It's clear for me.

[azfollower]

God what a game!!!

[spectre]

Hit these and the others will be forgiven.

thanks for the link guys.

[BETCATS]

Harrington just got a clean block, the refs called it a foul.

Ref conspiracy = dead?

[CatNation]

hooray.
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::(:(:(:(:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[spectre]

Thank God! :paddle:

I think I need to go lay down.

[teej]

We WON!!!!! OMG!

Thank you Ray, Crash, Boris, DJ and Stevie. In that order

Everyone else sucked dick.

We didn't deserve to win, but we did. That matters later on in the year.

[ebrown]

well a win is a win

[dnbman]

It wasn't pretty, but we're .500. Next?

[teej]

It wasn't pretty, but we're .500. Next?

Cleveland...:facepalm:

[BETCATS]

Raymond Felton is one badass mother fucker

I didnt really need to say that, all of you know it..

Now that it is over can we all acknowledge the Harrington 'foul' was indeed a clean block and the Knicks were done dirty? Seeing so many of you claim the same thing kept us out of the playoffs last season, shouldnt all injustice be acknowledged?

[spectre]

Well ya know...this happens almost every time vs. the knicks. We get up big and they make a 2nd half run and get it close. Like clockwork.

Main thing is we gutted it out and WON!

[davcbow]

Damn what a game, we win it! We should have won it in regular time but I'll take a win no matter what it takes.... DJ and Ray also Graham won this game for us....:cool:

[CatNation]

alright LARRY i trust you and all BUT i think Derrick is over his rookie jitters by now. NO MORE VLAD EVERRRRRRRRRR

[davcbow]

alright LARRY i trust you and all BUT i think Derrick is over his rookie jitters by now. NO MORE VLAD EVERRRRRRRRRR

LOL I agree

[davcbow]

Now who was that who said "Were gonna lose" a good while back?????

[ebrown]

LOL I agree

i second that

[BETCATS]

alright LARRY i trust you and all BUT i think Derrick is over his rookie jitters by now. NO MORE VLAD EVERRRRRRRRRR
Have fun seeing him tommorow! Larry Brown bows down to no man.

[ohara831]

Not a pretty win, but at least we stayed with it and gutted it out. Hated to see us blow a 21 pt lead, a 14 pt 4th qtr lead, and DJ miss those 2 FT's. But he redeemed himself moments later with the 2 FT's to win it. But at this point, I feel more relieved we won than confident in the guys.

[Fred Williamson]

Dear Mr. Brown,

please waive the space cadet.


Yours sincerely,

an angry fan.

[KT#20]

Whose idea was it again to bring in Radman and Diop? LB should be better than this. :facepalm:

[RELAXTV]

Everybody's bitching how we blew a 21 pt lead, yet nobody's talking about how the knicks came back right when TC fouled out. If TC didn't foul out, the knicks wouldn't have gotten all those looks during the 4th Q, I don't think.

Hope TC gets in playing shape soon, but a pleasant surprise during the first 3 Qs.

Hated when someone on the Realgm board was saying how if we had Lopez instead of DJ, the game would've been decided by the 3rd Q...

[teej]

Hated when someone on the Realgm board was saying how if we had Lopez instead of DJ, the game would've been decided by the 3rd Q...

And I thought the Mek lovers whining was idiotic...

Can people just NOT MOVE ON?

Oh well.

We're going to get creamed by the Cavs, but we can still learn things. Like how to get Lexy minutes...or Nazzy more than 3...

[KT#20]

^What's idiotic is when homers try to justify a terrible move with ignorance and false information. (Not speaking of passing on Lopez here, either.)

[RELAXTV]

And I thought the Mek lovers whining was idiotic...

Can people just NOT MOVE ON?

Oh well.

We're going to get creamed by the Cavs, but we can still learn things. Like how to get Lexy minutes...or Nazzy more than 3...

Guess everybody's got to find a reason to bitch about

The only bitching I have is Bob Johnson, but that's another story.

I'm not gonna say we're bound for a butt-whupping by the Cavs just yet. We'll probably lose, but hey, it's only the 4th game that we had all our 5 starters in tact. Looking at the Knicks game today (Lost feed on justintv when Felts went down in the 2nd OT), I thought that when our starters were in, they did pretty good.

Probably the only reason Nazzy played only three minutes is due to the Knicks lineup not having a true center. That all changes with Shaq and Big Z on the Cavs lineup. We'll probably need all the bigs we have (except Diop)

[RELAXTV]

^What's idiotic is when homers try to justify a terrible move with ignorance and false information. (Not speaking of passing on Lopez here, either.)

Which one?

Vlad trade wasn't really that terrible. Ammo wasn't doing anything for us, and his body language wasn't that of a baller he was in college, and Shannon Brown, though he was one of my favorites, wasn't doing much either...

Diop trade was definetly a clunker, but we had no use for Hammer in LB's offense (spot-up shooter)

Now, the moves that were actually stupid was...
1. Drafting May
2. Drafting Ammo (but looking back, I was thinking he might be a great scorer)
3. Maybe the Diop trade
4. Going apeshit and trading Fabio and Pillow for Nazzy

[davcbow]

^What's idiotic is when homers try to justify a terrible move with ignorance and false information. (Not speaking of passing on Lopez here, either.)

And youre some kind of expert? Give it a friggen chance to gell...Damn!

[KT#20]

Which one?

Vlad trade wasn't really that terrible. Ammo wasn't doing anything for us, and his body language wasn't that of a baller he was in college, and Shannon Brown, though he was one of my favorites, wasn't doing much either...

Diop trade was definetly a clunker, but we had no use for Hammer in LB's offense (spot-up shooter)

Now, the moves that were actually stupid was...
1. Drafting May
2. Drafting Ammo (but looking back, I was thinking he might be a great scorer)
3. Maybe the Diop trade
4. Going apeshit and trading Fabio and Pillow for Nazzy

I was speaking of the Okafor trade.

Ammo is easily #1. Passing up Brandon Roy for him is inexcusable. There were red flags all over the place with him, but we still pulled the trigger. :facepalm:

Not trading the 5th and the 13th for the 4th is probably second. Felton's a good point guard, but he's obviously not Paul. I guess since this wasn't an actually move, though, it wouldn't count.

In that case, passing up Granger for May is probably second. Though, IMO, that's excusable. When healthy, May was a very productive player. He's looked good the first couple of games in Sacto now. I said it then, I'll say it now, we should have brought him back on the veteran minimum. Especially considering we have no legit backup power forward.

Then the Diop trade, IMO. After that, the Radman trade. Finally, the trade for Mohammed.

Even in hindsight, I have no problem taking Felton or Augustin at #5 and #9, respectively, even though Granger/Bynum are undoubtedly better than Felton and Lopez looks like he's going to be better than Augustin. Just like even in hindsight I have no problem with taking Okafor over Jefferson or Igoudala. Those guys have produced well for us, so it's cool if a few guys behind them turn out to be better.

[ammofan]

we winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[davcbow]

Gerald Wallace and Boris Diaw were a combined 9/35 shooting...Bad
Radmanovic was 2/9 ....Bad
The rest of the guys were much better...

We have got to hit our shots, hope it gets better....:cool:

[KT#20]

And youre some kind of expert? Give it a friggen chance to gell...Damn!

Okafor hasn't needed time in NO's to gel, so why should I sit back and keep my mouth shut when obviously Chandler isn't playing well?

A lot of people on here made bold predictions on what Chandler would bring to the table that Okafor couldn't, and bashed Okafor while in the process of doing that.

So far, what many people said would happen regarding Chandler hasn't come close to happening. So, I do fill the need to point it out.

Anyway, much needed win for the 'cats!

[GeraldWalrus]

Stevie Graham is by the far the most under rated player on our team. Yes it's 2 games in, but we would be 0 and 2 if he wasn't playing tonight. I don't know why he was so scarce in the 4th quarter, because he was playing solid basketball tonight, and I think Larry needs to loosen his leash a little if he's performing well.

Another good spot was Chandler. The first half looked like the usual crap, but the 2nd half he showed signs of why we wanted him. 2 nice dunks and a nice tip in. Okafor would not have made the alley oop dunk, and I like Okafor. I think the guards need to realize how he likes the ball and where he likes it, and his offense will start to blossom. Regaurdless, 6 points and 8 rebs is a step in the right direction, and his presense was OBVIOUS considering that the Knicks made their biggest moves after he fouled out.

All in all, I think I lost 10 years off my life watching this game. Go Cats!

[davcbow]

Okafor hasn't needed time in NO's to gel, so why should I sit back and keep my mouth shut when obviously Chandler isn't playing well?

A lot of people on here made bold predictions on what Chandler would bring to the table that Okafor couldn't, and bashed Okafor while in the process of doing that.

So far, what many people said would happen regarding Chandler hasn't come close to happening. So, I do fill the need to point it out.

Anyway, much needed win for the 'cats!

Bla bla bla - there is no use bitching about spilled milk, it will not change things... the trade is a done deal...TC is coming off a injury... Mek is coming off his pilates....

[davcbow]

Stevie Graham is by the far the most under rated player on our team. Yes it's 2 games in, but we would be 0 and 2 if he wasn't playing tonight. I don't know why he was so scarce in the 4th quarter, because he was playing solid basketball tonight, and I think Larry needs to loosen his leash a little if he's performing well.

Another good spot was Chandler. The first half looked like the usual crap, but the 2nd half he showed signs of why we wanted him. 2 nice dunks and a nice tip in. Okafor would not have made the alley oop dunk, and I like Okafor. I think the guards need to realize how he likes the ball and where he likes it, and his offense will start to blossom. Regaurdless, 6 points and 8 rebs is a step in the right direction, and his presense was OBVIOUS considering that the Knicks made their biggest moves after he fouled out.

All in all, I think I lost 10 years off my life watching this game. Go Cats!

Graham looked really good in key places tonight, and yes I agree TC is coming on and he will get better every game...:cool:

[RELAXTV]

Okafor hasn't needed time in NO's to gel, so why should I sit back and keep my mouth shut when obviously Chandler isn't playing well?

A lot of people on here made bold predictions on what Chandler would bring to the table that Okafor couldn't, and bashed Okafor while in the process of doing that.

So far, what many people said would happen regarding Chandler hasn't come close to happening. So, I do fill the need to point it out.

Anyway, much needed win for the 'cats!

Really? The minutes TC was on the floor, the Knicks couldn't do anything offensively. It is no coincidece that the Knicks started their comeback after TC took a seat after his foul out.

Okafor is what he is: a double double, a great defender, but not worth 12 million a season for the next 5.

Sure he'll gell quickly, but he isn't going to give you much more as the season progresses.

Looking at TC tonight, he covers a whole lotta ground defensively, maybe more than Okafor. He even had a sick dunk, that I'm pretty sure Okafor wouldn't have been able to convert.

[teej]

Okafor hasn't needed time in NO's to gel, so why should I sit back and keep my mouth shut when obviously Chandler isn't playing well?

A lot of people on here made bold predictions on what Chandler would bring to the table that Okafor couldn't, and bashed Okafor while in the process of doing that.

So far, what many people said would happen regarding Chandler hasn't come close to happening. So, I do fill the need to point it out.

Anyway, much needed win for the 'cats!

You do understand that TC just started running for the first time in months a few weeks ago, and didn't have any time on the court (in practice or game) until the fianl week of the preseason? He is extremely rusty and will need time to get back in shape. Mek was in an entirely different scenario where he wasn't truly hurt, just another one of his bitch injuries, and was in perfect health upon returning, as he always was here. Also, seeing as how we have the same record as NOLA, I don't really se anything other than maybe it hurt them and helped us? Really, why don't you wait and see before you open your fucking mouth, like the rest of us are watching and waiting.

And don't tell me you wouldn't have done everything differently either. And what if Vladi turns into an all-star? Or Lopez becomes a bust (Sean May had a great first year, too). Seriously, give it time. knee-jerking only hurts you, bud.

[BobcatsAllDay]

My hats off to Raymond Felton. He refused to lose tonight. He is a warrior and we're not the same team when he is off the floor. Stevie played much better tonight and Derrick needs more PT. Hopefully DJ's 2nd half play can carryover to the next game. I have seen enough Bobcat games to know take the win anyway it comes.

[davcbow]

You do understand that TC just started running for the first time in months a few weeks ago, and didn't have any time on the court (in practice or game) until the fianl week of the preseason? He is extremely rusty and will need time to get back in shape. Mek was in an entirely different scenario where he wasn't truly hurt, just another one of his bitch injuries, and was in perfect health upon returning, as he always was here. Also, seeing as how we have the same record as NOLA, I don't really se anything other than maybe it hurt them and helped us? Really, why don't you wait and see before you open your fucking mouth, like the rest of us are watching and waiting.

And don't tell me you wouldn't have done everything differently either. And what if Vladi turns into an all-star? Or Lopez becomes a bust (Sean May had a great first year, too). Seriously, give it time. knee-jerking only hurts you, bud.

woof woof woof woof woof lol I hear ya teej lol :cool:

[TheBeagle]

My hats off to Raymond Felton. He refused to lose tonight. He is a warrior and we're not the same team when he is off the floor. Stevie played much better tonight and Derrick needs more PT. Hopefully DJ's 2nd half play can carryover to the next game. I have seen enough Bobcat games to know take the win anyway it comes.
Couldn't recap it any better. I have to say, though, I'm a bit like ohara in that it was a win in the standings (which is most important), but it was almost like a moral defeat in the way we melted down in the 4th and did our best impression of the previous game, both offensively and defensively. But, really, enough of that; we won, and it's great to be at .500, no matter how exhausting it was!

Now on to the good stuff, Natasha and Jordan brough their A games tonight (boy, it's good to have Jordan back!!!). Glad to have my buttocks reaquainted with my 3rd favorite seat in the world: (1. Recliner in den 2. Toilet) good ol' 1 in 215 J. Ah, I sure did miss it.....

And no, I didn't boo Bobby when he was introduced at center court tonight before the festivities.....didn't applaud, but didn't boo, though I probably should've.

Anyway, I'm bushed; let's do it to it tomorrow and go over .500 for the first time since the Ham Biscuit era?!?!?! Believe it or not, it's true :o

[Walt Cronkite]

Raymond Felton is a machine. With the way we're currently constructed, the play of our point guards will likely be the key to whether we win or lose night in and night out.

I was happier with Chandler's performance tonight. I hope as he gets to 100% he fouls less on defense, but I'm afraid that the offensive fouls are part of his nature (since they're a career trend). I don't think his fouling out of the game was the turning point as others have suggested. When he left in the first quarter (4:22 left), we were +8. The team was +12 when he returned to start the 2nd half of the game. For 16:22 of game time we not only played even with the Knicks, we added 4 points to the differential.

Tyson had a nice 3rd quarter, playing all but 1:53 of it's entirety. The team was +1 over this span, increasing it's differential over the Knicks to 13. When he returned with 9:30 left in the 4th, this had been increased upon again as the differential was now 14. He would foul out 42 seconds later, so I don't think much can be learned from his -1 affect during this time.

Anyway, I expect this post to be dismissed, since I've developed the reputation as a number crunching troll, but it seems to me that Chandler's affect on the team should still be "???", like it was after the Boston game. I think the biggest change in the game was that the Knicks could not score in the first quarter, period, and that Radmanovic should not play for 37 minutes. With the Knicks playing Lee at center with 4 others on the court to spread the floor, I guess LB thought Diaw and Vlad were our best options against that? Seems to me that we could've put one of the centers on Lee while Diaw rested and not played Radmanovic as much. It's possible that not playing either of the centers instead of Radmanovic, but instead, ANYONE ELSE (Henderson/Brown especially) for a larger percentage of his floor time would've yielded positive enough results to win this one in regulation.

[davcbow]

Raymond Felton is a machine. With the way we're currently constructed, the play of our point guards will likely be the key to whether we win or lose night in and night out.

I was happier with Chandler's performance tonight. I hope as he gets to 100% he fouls less on defense, but I'm afraid that the offensive fouls are part of his nature (since they're a career trend). I don't think his fouling out of the game was the turning point as others have suggested. When he left in the first quarter (4:22 left), we were +8. The team was +12 when he returned to start the 2nd half of the game. For 16:22 of game time we not only played even with the Knicks, we added 4 points to the differential.

Tyson had a nice 3rd quarter, playing all but 1:53 of it's entirety. The team was +1 over this span, increasing it's differential over the Knicks to 13. When he returned with 9:30 left in the 4th, this had been increased upon again as the differential was now 14. He would foul out 42 seconds later, so I don't think much can be learned from his -1 affect during this time.

Anyway, I expect this post to be dismissed, since I've developed the reputation as a number crunching troll, but it seems to me that Chandler's affect on the team should still be "???", like it was after the Boston game. I think the biggest change in the game was that the Knicks could not score in the first quarter, period, and that Radmanovic should not play for 37 minutes. With the Knicks playing Lee at center with 4 others on the court to spread the floor, I guess LB thought Diaw and Vlad were our best options against that? Seems to me that we could've put one of the centers on Lee while Diaw rested and not played Radmanovic as much. It's possible that not playing either of the centers instead of Radmanovic, but instead, ANYONE ELSE (Henderson/Brown especially) for a larger percentage of his floor time would've yielded positive enough results to win this one in regulation.

Man I agree with a lot of what you say, not everything but a lot of it. Some folks dont do well with point counterpoint and call names, so dont worry about it (sticks and stones), we are all Bobcat fans and we all pull for the same team....:cool:

[dnbman]

Raymond Felton is a machine. With the way we're currently constructed, the play of our point guards will likely be the key to whether we win or lose night in and night out.

I was happier with Chandler's performance tonight. I hope as he gets to 100% he fouls less on defense, but I'm afraid that the offensive fouls are part of his nature (since they're a career trend). I don't think his fouling out of the game was the turning point as others have suggested. When he left in the first quarter (4:22 left), we were +8. The team was +12 when he returned to start the 2nd half of the game. For 16:22 of game time we not only played even with the Knicks, we added 4 points to the differential.

Tyson had a nice 3rd quarter, playing all but 1:53 of it's entirety. The team was +1 over this span, increasing it's differential over the Knicks to 13. When he returned with 9:30 left in the 4th, this had been increased upon again as the differential was now 14. He would foul out 42 seconds later, so I don't think much can be learned from his -1 affect during this time.

Anyway, I expect this post to be dismissed, since I've developed the reputation as a number crunching troll, but it seems to me that Chandler's affect on the team should still be "???", like it was after the Boston game. I think the biggest change in the game was that the Knicks could not score in the first quarter, period, and that Radmanovic should not play for 37 minutes. With the Knicks playing Lee at center with 4 others on the court to spread the floor, I guess LB thought Diaw and Vlad were our best options against that? Seems to me that we could've put one of the centers on Lee while Diaw rested and not played Radmanovic as much. It's possible that not playing either of the centers instead of Radmanovic, but instead, ANYONE ELSE (Henderson/Brown especially) for a larger percentage of his floor time would've yielded positive enough results to win this one in regulation.

I agree with most of this too. In the first half, Brown played a lot of the rotation, keeping fresh, athletic legs in the game. I guess he just doesn't trust those guys yet, because he didn't pay them much in the second half and OT, when we really needed to rest guys. While I was definitely surprised we didn't try Ajinca, Brown or Nazr at the C late in the game, I also was shocked we didn't put Hendo in at times, especially when DJ wasn't being that effective.

Also, I was surprised that for much of the time when DJ and Felton were playing, DJ was the central ball handler and Felton was playing off the ball. Granted, a lot of times they just switched, with Felton reinitiating at the top. However, with DJ's shooting abilities, I would just expect that he play off the ball and try to get open more. Felton's shooting abilities are underrated, but he still doesn't have the outside stroke that DJ has.

As for TC, I think as he gets in better shape and the guys get used to playing together, we'll be fine. Our guys will get him the ball in better positions, hopefully allowing him to make less offensive fouls. The smoother he plays on the offensive end, the less erratic he'll play on the defensive end as well. Plus, when guys aren't up to full speed, they gamble when they ordinarily wouldn't. So, while he may be foul prone, I think we'll get a lot more than 17 minutes or so of play out of him.

[spectre]

LB was mixing up the PG duties. During one stretch where Felton sat Boris was bringing up the ball and DJ was already down coming off screens.

I know everyone looks at shooting, but personally the biggest concern for me in respect to DJ was that penetration defense. Duhon continually got around him as well as Nate the times he was on him to get into the paint.

Now I have a lot of respect for Duhon (kid is smart), but he really needs to tighten that up.

TC? Eh, a little better. The stream took the opportunity to drag right when he fumbled the ball when he was all alone under the basket so I was probably lucky in that one...and Felton did get a "Chris Paul alley to TC" once. Patience is going to be the key here.

Hulk Jr...heh, this is obviously going to be a love-hate relationship!

[BobcatsAllDay]

I know everyone looks at shooting, but personally the biggest concern for me in respect to DJ was that penetration defense. Duhon continually got around him as well as Nate the times he was on him to get into the paint.

Now I have a lot of respect for Duhon (kid is smart), but he really needs to tighten that up.


I agree, and I believe this will be DJ's biggest hurdle under LB. Once he finds a way to get better on the defensive end or at least hide his weakness the PG duties may be split down the middle w/ Ray. As of today, Ray is by far the better defender.

[spectre]

When we're full strength and have time to gel we'll be able to cover for it better, and tho I questioned him last year for the same thing I think he was better at it then than now. Just like the others I think he'll get better at it with some time.

As big a plus as it is for any PG to play under LB I think it's actually hindering DJ somewhat. IMO he's still playing very conservative offensively...and that very well could be that he's nervous about LB getting on his ass.

But that's ok. He'll have another 25-30 game soon and really that's what we need more from him right now.

[dav7z]

Raymond Felton is a machine. With the way we're currently constructed, the play of our point guards will likely be the key to whether we win or lose night in and night out.

I was happier with Chandler's performance tonight. I hope as he gets to 100% he fouls less on defense, but I'm afraid that the offensive fouls are part of his nature (since they're a career trend). I don't think his fouling out of the game was the turning point as others have suggested. When he left in the first quarter (4:22 left), we were +8. The team was +12 when he returned to start the 2nd half of the game. For 16:22 of game time we not only played even with the Knicks, we added 4 points to the differential.

Tyson had a nice 3rd quarter, playing all but 1:53 of it's entirety. The team was +1 over this span, increasing it's differential over the Knicks to 13. When he returned with 9:30 left in the 4th, this had been increased upon again as the differential was now 14. He would foul out 42 seconds later, so I don't think much can be learned from his -1 affect during this time.

Anyway, I expect this post to be dismissed, since I've developed the reputation as a number crunching troll, but it seems to me that Chandler's affect on the team should still be "???", like it was after the Boston game. I think the biggest change in the game was that the Knicks could not score in the first quarter, period, and that Radmanovic should not play for 37 minutes. With the Knicks playing Lee at center with 4 others on the court to spread the floor, I guess LB thought Diaw and Vlad were our best options against that? Seems to me that we could've put one of the centers on Lee while Diaw rested and not played Radmanovic as much. It's possible that not playing either of the centers instead of Radmanovic, but instead, ANYONE ELSE (Henderson/Brown especially) for a larger percentage of his floor time would've yielded positive enough results to win this one in regulation.

Compleatly agree with Vald. Thing.
First i like DJ but he got killed the whole 2nd half . In the pick and role First the pick and DJ s man open . Brown made a adjustment late in the 4th it helped . But a big area for DJ is the pick.

Graham played great though i havn't liked him til now. The little things i can see why LB likes him .
another instresting note Boris had 13 in the first but let off in the 2nd Conditioning????
Did any one see Wallace set on that Knick player for about 15 seconds . It was like hell i can't buy a foul ill just set hear.

[spectre]

Couple of notes from QCH:


Gerald Henderson - The rookie had a great anticipation steal in the backcourt for a dunk - and earned a seat on the bench for the rest of the evening after forcing up a contested jumper early in the shot clock in the fourth (part of the Bobcats 7 possession drought).

Ahh, that explains some things.


The takeaway from all these positives and negatives: This team is still learning how to play together (and how to play for Larry Brown) and that will continue as players return from injury. The offense is going to struggle and have these mood swings so the defense will have to keep them in games. Against Boston, the D did a decent job but the offense was not up to the task. Tonight, they put together enough stops at the end to hold on and send the fans home happy.


Yup. And as the team gets healthier we'll be the stronger for it.

[BRNC]

It shows that we still (as a team) need to figure out how to close out against an opponent when we have them down...I was also disappointed in our rotations...LB really needs to work on it...

[G-Force for MVP]

i thought that derrick brown needs to hit the court a lot more but at least they won

[ebrown]

i thought that derrick brown needs to hit the court a lot more but at least they won

Yeah I think he deserved more burn than Vladi.

I think two things I noticed from the game.

DJ and his little frame has trouble busting through the screens on the pick and roll

Vladi is not a very good defensive guy. He would collapse to the lane and leave his guy wide open too many times on the wing and when his guy wanted to drive he was always several steps behind.

[Chef]

my 2 cents. we looked better, but they were the knicks. tyson is going to better for us than mek once he gets his sea legs. it was nice to see our center finish with dunks. vlad is terrible, we have a huge hole in depth and defense at the pf position. dj is going to be pretty good and get where he wants whenever he wants. not signing or trading for a scoring 2 guard is going to kill us. we can't score, nor have a go-to guy outside of crash who will be double teamed all year because we have no one else who can score. i hate to say it, but as we are currently put together, unless we can hold teams to under 70 pt/game we are going to finish with a high lottery pick this year.

[Scottley Crue]

It shows that we still (as a team) need to figure out how to close out against an opponent when we have them down...I was also disappointed in our rotations...LB really needs to work on it...
The main thing with LB's rotations is that he most likley in overtime(s) put out the 5 guys he trusted to get the job done. Givent that TC fouled out and our other centers didn't match up well with the Knicks style of play, I believe that's why LB went the way he did. Odds are you'll see a different rotation tonight. He's just putting out there what he thinks will be the most effective.

As a side benefit, nothing can help Boris get in game shape like playing a lot in a game.

[azfollower]

Just two thoughts on the game for me:

1. We really need another scorer. Or at least someone (Raja) who can knock down a trey or two. That one DJ three in the 4th was huge and we need more like that. Maybe Flip will help keep those offensive droughts at bay once he gets back.

2. Vlad should not be playing crunchtime minutes. He kept leaving Galinari open for trey balls and he didn't contribute on offense. He needs replacing.

[dav7z]

my 2 cents. we looked better, but they were the knicks. tyson is going to better for us than mek once he gets his sea legs. it was nice to see our center finish with dunks. vlad is terrible, we have a huge hole in depth and defense at the pf position. dj is going to be pretty good and get where he wants whenever he wants. not signing or trading for a scoring 2 guard is going to kill us. we can't score, nor have a go-to guy outside of crash who will be double teamed all year because we have no one else who can score. i hate to say it, but as we are currently put together, unless we can hold teams to under 70 pt/game we are going to finish with a high lottery pick this year.


Good news my rep told me last night Bell will be playing Monday night. I hope that takes care of this DJ, Felton BACK COURT?
Borris is servicable , Crash is playing bigger stronger and rebounding MUCH better than ever be for. Crash can give Boris a blow if need be. Brown can board so can Hendo . Those rookies look good in person . Yes we got things we have to clean up with about ever player . But this is a decent group that will contend for the fifth seed in the east.

Scoring is going to come . Our timing is still off but much better tan last game . I expect it to inprove ever game.

Felton is turning in to a monster strenth wize.
Crach all so
WE BETTER THAN YOU THINK.............

[KT#20]

You do understand that TC just started running for the first time in months a few weeks ago, and didn't have any time on the court (in practice or game) until the fianl week of the preseason? He is extremely rusty and will need time to get back in shape. Mek was in an entirely different scenario where he wasn't truly hurt, just another one of his bitch injuries, and was in perfect health upon returning, as he always was here. Also, seeing as how we have the same record as NOLA, I don't really se anything other than maybe it hurt them and helped us? Really, why don't you wait and see before you open your fucking mouth, like the rest of us are watching and waiting.

Yes, a sprained toe, which is what made OKC reject Tyson, is clearly a "bitch injury". Is being rusty why Tyson couldn't catch and finish a wide open dunk? Is being rusty why he airballed a two footer? Please. I'm not the only one who has called out Chandler, either.


And don't tell me you wouldn't have done everything differently either.Do you mean would or wouldn't? Everything you said afterward leads me to believe it's the former.


And what if Vladi turns into an all-star? Or Lopez becomes a bust (Sean May had a great first year, too). Seriously, give it time. knee-jerking only hurts you, bud.This takes the cake. Now, you're going into extreme hypothetical situations. What if Vlad turns into an All-Star? What has he done in his entire career that makes you think he'll be an All-Star? Not going to happen. Never was, never will.

As for May, he had a good rookie season, but it wasn't with Lopez'. For one, the differential in games played is huge. Even production wise, Lopez' outperformed May easily. If Lopez turns into a bust, it'll be because of a horrific injury, not because he doesn't have game.

But I guess you can't read very well, since I said I don't fault the organization one bit for taking Augustin over Lopez.

I appreciate the optimistic approach -- I'm optimistic, too -- but that doesn't mean you have to justify every single move this organization has made. Trading for Diop and Radman was terrible. Why is that Jordan gets ragged on for trading for Nazr, even though he produced quite well for us when given the time and we clearly needed a backup, but when LB's behind a trade that turns out to be terrible, he gets a free pass?